I thought he was just speculating. Notice the opening?samsher wrote:How do you know this?tandav wrote:
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Unless...I am missing something
"Another theory"
I like theories. Keep'em coming. Exercises my brain a little.
I thought he was just speculating. Notice the opening?samsher wrote:How do you know this?tandav wrote:
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Unless...I am missing something
With their Elta-8222 jamming pods fired up and wreaking havoc on the F-15C's legendarily powerful AN/APG-63 radar, combined with their already small radar and visual signature, the Bisons would come screaming in out of nowhere to within visual range of the Eagles. They would proceed to shoot the F-15s in the face with their infrared-guided R-73 missiles before blasting by. And even if the Eagles noticed the Bisons at the last moment, the Bison pilots could negate the raw performance of the hulking F-15s by employing the 'fire and forget' R-73 nearly 90 degrees of the centerline of their noses using their helmet-mounted targeting system.
To put it metaphorically, the Bison wasn't a cavalry soldier or a scout, it was a ninja.
Guys check out the under wing drop tank on the Paki F-16ryogi wrote:Apologies if posted previously, but a really good POV of the incident from a neutral viewpoint, also extensive referencing of COPE 2004/05:
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/26 ... r-bullshit
With their Elta-8222 jamming pods fired up and wreaking havoc on the F-15C's legendarily powerful AN/APG-63 radar, combined with their already small radar and visual signature, the Bisons would come screaming in out of nowhere to within visual range of the Eagles. They would proceed to shoot the F-15s in the face with their infrared-guided R-73 missiles before blasting by. And even if the Eagles noticed the Bisons at the last moment, the Bison pilots could negate the raw performance of the hulking F-15s by employing the 'fire and forget' R-73 nearly 90 degrees of the centerline of their noses using their helmet-mounted targeting system.
To put it metaphorically, the Bison wasn't a cavalry soldier or a scout, it was a ninja.
Given enough power it may be able to pick up AAM. however the key give away would be it's speed.manjgu wrote:guys, how do AAM's show up on a AWACS/AEW aircarft ?? unusual air activity over north india even now...
Pure Speculation which I suspect or is there any source to this?Rajiv Lather wrote:The downed Pak pilot used his pistol to defend himself... in return was shot in the leg by one of the mob... and by the time army rescued and tried to take him to the hospital, he probably bled to death
Rajiv Lather wrote:The downed Pak pilot used his pistol to defend himself... in return was shot in the leg by one of the mob... and by the time army rescued and tried to take him to the hospital, he probably bled to death
Good observation. His Glock 26 pistol photo published in Dawn looks loaded. He also had no leg bullet injuriesLalmohan wrote:^^^ originally alleged against abhi, but he didn't appear to be shot in the leg when he walked back
https://in.news.yahoo.com/pakistan-with ... 09594.htmlOn this, Abhinandan shot a fire in the air while the boys picked up stones in their hands.
According to Mr Razzaq, the Indian pilot ran a distance of half a kilometre in backward direction while pointing his pistol towards the boys who were chasing him.
During this brisk movement, he fired some more gunshots in the air to frighten them but to no avail, he said. Then he jumped into a small pond where he took out some documents and maps from his pockets, some of which he tried to swallow and soaked others in water.
The boys kept on asking him to drop his weapon and in the meanwhile one boy shot at his leg, Mr Razzaq said.
No leg injuries.he IAF pilot underwent a medical checkup at Army's Research and Referral (R&R) hospital in the national capital a day after he was handed over to India at Attari-Wagah border by Pakistan. The scan has also shown that there is an injury in his lower spine which could have happened due to his ejection from his MiG-21 after aerial engagement with an F-16. A rib was also injured due to assault by Pakistani locals soon after he landed on ground in PoK after his plane was shot down.
Chemical test on hand and gun for residue! Watched plenty of CSI type programsnam wrote:Genuine question, how do one find out if a pistol has been used? A used magazine would still look like un-used mag as the bullets push up when used.
Is there any other way to finding it out?
If the pistol was not used, then it is a big proof. Multiple reports say gun was used by a pilot.
india today interviewed the POK people who found Abhi. Apparently he asked for water and a phone. He asked them if it was India and they lied. He shouted a slogan and they could not respond, so the cat was out of the bag. They chased him with stones and he fired in the air and ran towards the stream. later on someone got a rifle and shot near the wingcos leg not hitting him. The notion that the villagers are not loyal to the PA is not correct. You can hear them sloganeering as they march him down to the PA jeep.Lalmohan wrote:^^^ originally alleged against abhi, but he didn't appear to be shot in the leg when he walked back
nam wrote:Genuine question, how do one find out if a pistol has been used? A used magazine would still look like un-used mag as the bullets push up when used.
Is there any other way to finding it out?
If the pistol was not used, then it is a big proof. Multiple reports say gun was used by a pilot.
I agree. I don't think POK villagers will knowingly beat a Pakistani pilot.banrjeer wrote:The notion that the villagers are not loyal to the PA is not correct. You can hear them sloganeering as they march him down to the PA jeep.
India Aware of Identity of Pakistani F-16 Pilot Killed in Dogfight – Defence MinisterRakesh wrote:Nothing is going to come out from the AIM-120C wreckage. America will make some noise, slap them on the wrist and the status quo will continue. America knew fully well against who those AIM-120Cs were going to be used against. The Taliban does not have an air force, after all. The lesson to learn is that India is on her own vis-a-viv Pakistan (and China). Whatever steps that need to be taken, will be taken by us only. America will only look out for her own interests and we should (and this Govt is) do the same. And supposedly we are America's strategic defense partner!krishna_krishna wrote:Let see how much AIM-120C protects them, there will be more attacks on India after afghan theater heats up after massa departure. We need to demonstrate that now. Porkis will retaliate but are not match to what we can do to them.
"As a matter of policy we don't publicly comment on contents of bilateral agreements, involving US defence technologies nor the communications that we have with other countries about that," Robert Palladino, the State Department's deputy spokesman, said on 5 March, when asked about details of the sale agreement, as India remained persistent in its claim that the PAF had misused the sale agreement and used an F-16 fighter jet against India.
So basically we helped re-train and equip the USAF over the last 15 odd years ?!!ryogi wrote:Apologies if posted previously, but a really good POV of the incident from a neutral viewpoint, also extensive referencing of COPE 2004/05:
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/26 ... r-bullshit
With their Elta-8222 jamming pods fired up and wreaking havoc on the F-15C's legendarily powerful AN/APG-63 radar, combined with their already small radar and visual signature, the Bisons would come screaming in out of nowhere to within visual range of the Eagles. They would proceed to shoot the F-15s in the face with their infrared-guided R-73 missiles before blasting by. And even if the Eagles noticed the Bisons at the last moment, the Bison pilots could negate the raw performance of the hulking F-15s by employing the 'fire and forget' R-73 nearly 90 degrees of the centerline of their noses using their helmet-mounted targeting system.
To put it metaphorically, the Bison wasn't a cavalry soldier or a scout, it was a ninja.
No need for that. Our enemy are the terrorists and the Pak Army.habal wrote:It is our duty to send a message to these PoK villagers who took up cudgels on behalf of TSPA and assaulted our pilot. And the message should begin with a sharp pointy end flaming rearside into their villages.
O I c!! The difference between the Governments of India and USA is that GOI gets its Classified Info from UBCN via BRF (and UBCN gets it from Twitter posts both quoted on BRF and otherwise).Austin wrote:India Aware of Identity of Pakistani F-16 Pilot Killed in Dogfight – Defence Minister
https://sputniknews.com/asia/2019031210 ... -dogfight/
Flashbangs is a really good idea. Would help to run away too and possibly escape. Dunno why it isn't implemented. Flashbang followed by a smoke grenade and Abhi could have possibly run into the forested area. Too bollywood?sudeepj wrote:I wonder if in the Indo Pak context, pilots are better off with a grenade rather than a pistol. Threaten to pull out the pin if anyone comes near.. Will keep the jihadis at bay till the enemy service gets there. Even a fake grenade, or flash-bangs will do.. I doubt anyone will dare to come in stabbing distance.
I vaguely remember reading that one russian pilot in Syria kept a grenade with him, and chose to blow himself up rather than fall into ISIS hands.
Running away etc. is too bollywood, but a threat to blow yourself up along with anyone else who comes near you can work.. If surrounded by hostile civilian population. It can buy you a few minutes till the police/mil turn up.Trikaal wrote:Flashbangs is a really good idea. Would help to run away too and possibly escape. Dunno why it isn't implemented. Flashbang followed by a smoke grenade and Abhi could have possibly run into the forested area. Too bollywood?sudeepj wrote:I wonder if in the Indo Pak context, pilots are better off with a grenade rather than a pistol. Threaten to pull out the pin if anyone comes near.. Will keep the jihadis at bay till the enemy service gets there. Even a fake grenade, or flash-bangs will do.. I doubt anyone will dare to come in stabbing distance.
I vaguely remember reading that one russian pilot in Syria kept a grenade with him, and chose to blow himself up rather than fall into ISIS hands.
It could very well be of previous hostilities in Waziristan/Pashtoonistan. I can't fathom the idea that PA would visit the families of teenagers and knowingly pose for the camera when all of the garnails in Pindi are doing whatever they can to cover up.manoj_niketa wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... WJG5990ds0
Here is proof video of killed more than 200...
I get the same feeling too. TSPA doesn't give shit gor the low level jihadi types. Looks like a core commnder type paying visit to PA jawans family after his time on earth was done for. Also, pakis use the word 'jihad' in a loose way. I'm not seeing much use from this video.mmasand wrote:It could very well be of previous hostilities in Waziristan/Pashtoonistan. I can't fathom the idea that PA would visit the families of teenagers and knowingly pose for the camera when all of the garnails in Pindi are doing whatever they can to cover up.manoj_niketa wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... WJG5990ds0
Here is proof video of killed more than 200...
In all honesty I take and took umbrage at his remarks of us whining that we possibly shot down an F-16.ryogi wrote:Apologies if posted previously, but a really good POV of the incident from a neutral viewpoint, also extensive referencing of COPE 2004/05:
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/26 ... r-bullshit
Agreed, I think he is a Brigadier or colonel ... the rank is in the middle of his chest. Amreeki style.manjgu wrote:this is not crore commander..but a Major/Col rank afsar... crore commander will not sit on a charpoy !