
LOL
the nose cone actually survived being shot the hell out and then free falling to mother earth.

I salyut mother russia.
Does the IAF have something similar? isnt the EL8222 pod on WC Abhi's Mig 21 similar to ALQ211 DRFM on the PAF F-16s. DRFM is critical to improve survivability of the Aircraft platform to radar guided weapons such as AIM120C and SD10.Karan M wrote:They did acquire DRFM jammers later.Prasad wrote: To add, paf f16s do not have drfm. Robot mentioned in that fmf page on the pengalin site.
https://www.harris.com/sites/default/fi ... asheet.pdf
tandav wrote:I do not believe anything PAF/Pakistan says, their denial means nothing they have no credibility. I have been scouring the internet for F-16 wreckage in the hopes of finding some evidence that sticks, this I have not found as yet. I am very inclined to believe IAF but hard evidence/wreckage and Abhi's gun camera footage all fell into Pakistan, this is very dissatisfying. I am unhappy that inspite of IAF full alert and a juicy 24 aircraft package opportunity we did not swat down 5-6 PAF planes in this particular engagement and bury the PAF forever, that's the kind of dominance I expected the IAF to have. Jingo is never happy.
https://www.businesstoday.in/current/ec ... 24025.html
It's the official KSA logojamwal wrote:
What's this Tree and Swords logo ?
Saudi Air Force.jamwal wrote:https://scontent.fdel8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=5D1F7779
What's this Tree and Swords logo ?
Eight Pakistan Air Force (PAF) pilots, each experienced in the F-16A/B, completed flying training on block 52 F-16 C/D model aircraft at the international F-16 training unit at Tucson, Arizona.
According to PAF Spokesman, they will be honoured at a graduation ceremony at the Pima Air and Space Museum, USA on Tuesday (today).
These eight PAF pilots undertook seven months of training in Tucson that included a fighter conversion course on the F-16C/D, flight lead upgrade training and instructor pilot certification so that they can return home and impart similar training to other pilots.
These pilots are now ready to handle the new block 52 F-16 C/D technology after training with the Arizona Air National Guards in USA.
Keynote speakers at the graduation ceremony will include Air Marshal Waseem Ud Din, Deputy Chief of Air Staff (Admin), Pakistan Air Force and Brig Gen Lyn D Sherlock, the Director of regional affairs, Office of the Deputy Under Secretary of the Air Force for International Affairs.
The new Block 52 planes purchased by PAF, are truly multi-role fighters and are far more advanced than the F-16 A/B currently on the inventory of the PAF. These will allow PAF pilots to conduct operations at night and also greatly enhance their use of precision munitions.
As a vital partner for U.S. forces in Southwest Asia, Pakistan's air force will soon upgrade its 30-year-old fleet of F-16 Fighting Falcons. The pilots charged with flying more capable fighters are ready to handle the new technology after training with the Arizona Air National Guard.
Eight Pakistan Air Force pilots, each experienced in the F-16A/B, recently learned to fly the newer C/D model aircraft at the 162nd Fighter Wing, the international F-16 training unit at Tucson International Airport. They were honored at a graduation ceremony here May 4.
They are the first from their country to train in the United States since 1983 when the last class of Pakistani pilots trained at Luke Air Force Base, Ariz.
"This graduation is historic for U.S.-Pakistan relations," said Pakistan Air Force Wing Commander Ghazanfar Latif, a 12-year F-16A pilot. "For Pakistan, our air force is gaining capabilities that it has needed for the last decade; capabilities that are critical to ongoing operations in Pakistan's war on terror."
The new planes purchased by the Pakistani government, block 52 versions of the multi-role fighter, are far more advanced than the older A-model versions and will allow pilots to conduct operations at night and greatly enhance their use of precision munitions.
The first four of the 18 total purchased are scheduled for delivery June 26 to Shahbaz air base in south-central Pakistan. The rest will be delivered on a staggered schedule throughout this year. In addition, their existing fleet will undergo a mid-life update in 2011 designed to upgrade cockpits and avionics to match the F-16C/D.
In preparation for the June delivery, the eight pilots and their families will have spent 10 months in the United States navigating the upgrade training pipeline.
They spent two and half months reviewing military aviation terminology at the Defense Language Institute at Lackland Air Force Base, Texas, and seven months in flight training at Tucson International Airport. Since the C/D-models used for training in Tucson are block 25 F-16s, they will next undergo two weeks of additional block 52 instruction before returning to Pakistan.
"Even though they're flying block 25s here, they will still be able to operate their block 52s back home. When they leave here they will get training from Lockheed Martin in Fort Worth, Texas, on the differences," said Lt. Col. Kelly Parkinson, 195th Fighter Squadron commander. "The two blocks fly the same; it's essentially the employment of weapons that makes the difference."
The bulk of their flight training in Tucson included a transition course from the F-16A/B to the F-16C/D, flight lead upgrade training and instructor pilot certification.
"We're training these eight pilots so they can return home and be instructors themselves and teach others to fly the new F-16s," said Colonel Parkinson, a 22-year fighter pilot.
"I think the training here is very well organized and tailored to our needs, also the standards here are very high," said Latif. "This is going to make a big difference because we do not have the capability to make precision engagements at night with A-models. Everybody understands that collateral damage is a big factor and the sensors on the C-model will help us carry out precision engagement and close air support."
With so much to learn, the students flew a rigorous schedule of five flights per week. The average student tempo is closer to three per week.
"The radar, datalink and other avionics help create the big picture of what is going on around you. There's lots of information to process in the C-model, so you have to prioritize all of the input you are getting," said Squadron Leader Yasir Malik. "But these instructors know what they are doing and they are good teachers."
Maj. Windy Hendrick, a flight commander and 13-year F-16 pilot, has instructed students from all over the world. She said she and her fellow instructors learned a great deal about their Pakistani counterparts.
"They are all experienced pilots with 500 to 1,800 fighter hours in the F-16, and the majority of that time is combat hours in the fight against extremists," she said. "They are very humble and don't talk about their experience, but the more we learn about them and all they've done it makes us proud to be their instructors."
No, they don't. Read it again. There was a datalink between the Flankers that was used to pass information.Austin wrote:https://www.businesstoday.in/current/ec ... 24025.html
About the capabilities of IAF pilots, USAF team leader Colonel Greg Newbech said: "What we've seen in the last two weeks is the IAF can stand toe-to-toe with the best air force in the world. I pity the pilot who has to face the IAF and chances the day to underestimate him; because he won't be going home."
"They made good decisions about when to bring their strikers in. The MiG-21s would be embedded with a (MiG-27) Flogger for integral protection. There was a data link between the Flankers that was used to pass information. They built a very good (radar) picture of what we were doing and were able to make good decisions about when to roll (their aircraft) in and out."
So Bison and 27 UPG have ODL Data link ?
Yes I read that part but that is 5 yr old info , does Bison and 27UPG have any datalink now ?Karan M wrote:No, they don't. Read it again. There was a datalink between the Flankers that was used to pass information.Austin wrote: https://www.businesstoday.in/current/ec ... 24025.html
About the capabilities of IAF pilots, USAF team leader Colonel Greg Newbech said: "What we've seen in the last two weeks is the IAF can stand toe-to-toe with the best air force in the world. I pity the pilot who has to face the IAF and chances the day to underestimate him; because he won't be going home."
"They made good decisions about when to bring their strikers in. The MiG-21s would be embedded with a (MiG-27) Flogger for integral protection. There was a data link between the Flankers that was used to pass information. They built a very good (radar) picture of what we were doing and were able to make good decisions about when to roll (their aircraft) in and out."
So Bison and 27 UPG have ODL Data link ?
While we are at it, why don't we just give up the position of Nuke Sub currently is too. Seriously?abhik wrote:Question for KM and other gurus, what is the current state of data links between the different fighters in IAF fleet and also other assets like AWACS and ground assets.
There are images of missile plume in the sky and a hole in the tail of Mi17. It is difficult to confirm if the hole is due to a missile impact.Dilbu wrote:Don't know if this is the right place to ask. Are we investigating if the MI17 was downed by a TSP missile? Did not find any updates on that.
I don't think it was the wingman. The F16 would have been tasked for A2G and after dropping the LGB would run off as soon as possible. They will not hover or return back. The wingman would be busy hitting his allocated target.Austin wrote: Bison did a successful task by engaging a F-16 Bogie it was the wingman for the F-16 shot that fired 2 AMRAAM one as the Bison and one at his wing man , That is the task of wing man to protect his lead , Just trying to figure out what was Bison wing man who was known to be there and too was attacked by AMRAAM was doing.
Since he successfully managed to evade AMRAAM what did the Bison wingman engaged the shot F-16 ?
Curiosity is understandable and everybody on this forum has it, but it's IMHO no reason for anybody (even if they do know) to share classified data that might be valuable to our enemies.Austin wrote:ramana , UB its a know fact that IAF is integrating ODL fleet wide , That has been repeatedly mentioned by IAF since 2011 , Since Birson and perhaps even 27 UPG came late into before ODL came in just trying to understand if Bison was aware of the threats around.
Bison did a successful task by engaging a F-16 Bogie it was the wingman for the F-16 shot that fired 2 AMRAAM one as the Bison and one at his wing man , That is the task of wing man to protect his lead , Just trying to figure out what was Bison wing man who was known to be there and too was attacked by AMRAAM was doing.
Since he successfully managed to evade AMRAAM what did the Bison wingman engaged the shot F-16 ?
Can't speak for ramana, but in my case, NO. I can't understand System of Systems / Net-Centric Warfare gibberish even if it is poured in, diluted with Rooh Afza, into my ears. It goes straight into the pakistan.UB its a know fact
Interesting but AMRAAM missile warhead is 40 lbs. If it hit would have smashed the MiG to pieces.