MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

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Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Postby fanne » 07 Mar 2020 17:58

Rishi wrote:For some reason IAF is silent and people on this board who interacted with WCo Abhi on this board are silent. FWIW this action made us aware of PAF full spectrum EW capabilities and that itself is worth its weight in gold.


That’s a very interesting observation. But is it true, do we know that we have learned our lessons and taking countermeasures?
By its nature you won’t find any news but in desh we have a very leaky system, there would have been some hint/some news, if not all of it in news. I suspect nothing is happening there, and more Rafale will not solve that problem.

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Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Postby Aditya_V » 07 Mar 2020 18:54

IAF is probably waiting for Pakis to give them another opportunity

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Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Postby MeshaVishwas » 07 Mar 2020 20:23

Rishi wrote:For some reason IAF is silent and people on this board who interacted with WCo Abhi on this board are silent. FWIW this action made us aware of PAF full spectrum EW capabilities and that itself is worth its weight in gold.

Well said!
The force composition from them were almost all CCS instructors and they probably lost one thanks to Wing Co Abhinandan. It was their best of the best failing miserably against our mango Sqn pilots.
Next time the situation will be devastating to the Fizzleya.

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Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Postby khan » 07 Mar 2020 20:46

Aditya_V wrote:IAF is probably waiting for Pakis to give them another opportunity

IMO, there is no need to wait. Terrorists are always a legitimate target. I hear that Balakot is back in business. They should take it out again - with video :mrgreen:

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Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Postby MeshaVishwas » 08 Mar 2020 02:14

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Picture credit to Sanjay Simha again.
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Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Postby Aditya G » 08 Mar 2020 03:18

Karan M wrote:....We couldn't open fire until they crossed the LoC. They had no such qualms.


There are conflicting reports on on whether they crossed the loc or not.

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Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Postby nam » 08 Mar 2020 03:28

10KM NFZ. As long they were flying outside of it, we cannot do anything. PAF must have been flying beyond the 10 KM line, since M2K incursion.

They must have assembled in air and drop off, numerous time since Feb 26 morning. Come to the 10KM line and get go back.

On Feb 27, the F16 probably broke the 10KM line to use LGB. This was the indication of attack, which led to first Mig21 scramble and Su30 & Mig29 from other bases.

Other PAF jets were still away from 10KM line and fired their SOW. The incursion towards LC to use LGB must have been a deliberate ploy to ambush our fighters by getting them to come towards the LC & try to intercept F16. You are fundamentally running towards an incoming BVR.

How did then WC Abhi manage to get the hit? It was due to the Pir Panjals. PAF AWACS were blind to incoming Mig21 due to Pi Pangals and the Mig21 just popped in to firing position!

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Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Postby Karan M » 08 Mar 2020 04:35

Aditya G wrote:
Karan M wrote:....We couldn't open fire until they crossed the LoC. They had no such qualms.


There are conflicting reports on on whether they crossed the loc or not.


I am reasonably certain they didn't have to, and so they didn't .

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Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Postby nachiket » 11 Mar 2020 05:09

AM Harikumar specifically mentions that they did not cross the LoC in his article in The Week.

The first enemy package crossed the border in the Line of Control sector at 9:58am on the Akhnoor axis, and approached the LoC around 10:06am. Another package approached the Poonch axis, staggered by five to seven minutes. A third package was opposite Anupgarh sector.
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The PAF ensured that they did not cross the International Boundary or the Line of Actual Control.


The confusion may be because he says "crossed the border" in the first line. The border he is referring to is the actual border to the west of the LoC. But that still keeps them inside PoK airspace.

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Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Postby JTull » 13 Mar 2020 03:45

Isn't the 10Km NFZ only applicable to IB and not to LOC?

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Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Postby Rsatchi » 14 Mar 2020 04:54

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... 583316.cms
Was this the guy shot down by Wingco Abhi
Is the news of his death now announced to hide in the din of Corona virus
Or this is totally unrelated to the skrimish

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Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Postby Rakesh » 14 Mar 2020 06:25

Not the same pilot shot down by Wing Commander Varthaman, VrC.

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Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Postby Aditya_V » 14 Mar 2020 12:15

Reading this I think it should include LOC as well for -10Km distance, I guess if you control the land it becomes the DIZ as well.

https://treaties.un.org/doc/publication/unts/volume%201843/volume-1843-i-31419-english.pdf

Combat aircraft (to include fighter, bomber, reconnaissance, jet military trainer and armed helicopter aircraft) will not fly within 10 kms
of each other's airspace including ADIZ. No aircraft of any side will enter the airspace over the territorial waters of the ether country, except by prior permission.

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