Hari Nair sir!
Thanks for confirming!! Glad to have your input here.
My thoughts exactly! In exercise after exercise our pilots "exchange" locks, maneuver aggressively for advantage, manage to acquit themselves well in the Su-30 MKI (and other platforms) & suddenly in this incident, according to our self proclaimed expert defense analyst, they didn't do so.. and yet, the Raptors were jettisoned or missed their targets entirely (so why were the 2 seater Mirages maneuvering aggressively)? For kicks?
LIke you said, it was just ROE/ careful consideration on our part that prevented the F-16s/JF-17s/Mirages whatsoever from getting multiple BVR missiles their way and I would take the IAF pilots capabilities in BVR anyday given their extensive training in the art & science over the past couple decades..
About why ground radar... I can only believe that if the PAF stuck to some valleys etc to slip into the Indian side (low flying strike packages) and a low level radar picked them up at short notice, but even that seems dodgy.
I also reiterate (my personal guess work) that they didn't just fire Raptors but probably threw much more at us.. chances are even those went awry and landed here & there.
I suspect this was a strike intended to cause maximum casualties on our side with least risk to the PAF side.. they wanted big "PR fireballs" and "shock and awe" on our side.. while scampering back .. but even that flopped because of the sheer speed of IAFs response & the aggressiveness of their pilots who didn't just "exit the area" on being outnumbered but made a heavy fight of it, maintained locks on the Mirages & JF-17s forcing them to disengage & one of our guys even downed a F-16.
I have grave doubts about the PAFs judgement and professionalism as well now, because after not exactly succeeding in their mission objectives, they are busy awarding officers awards, feting them in Parliament without the slightest iota of fact checking (even keeping aside the F-16 loss).
Hari Nair wrote:
Karan M wrote:
The second (ROE) is the likely reason. The Su-30s maneuvered and used countermeasures to break lock. Question is why didn't they lock and fire themselves? PAF jamming is not the answer, nor is maneuvering alone. We all know how aggressively the IAF has done BVR in ECM heavy environments (including Red Flag and Indra). ROE about don't provoke a fight etc came into play as with the 10km band across the LOC.
Chalo. Next time, even that won't be there.
I would tend to take our twirled moustachioed self-styled defence expert-cum-journo and his 'sources' with a large pinch of salt or two. Quite a few things do not add up in his narrative:
-"initial pick-up was by ground radars" - however he also mentions earlier that a Phalcon and a Netra were also airborne in the sector. Huh??
- He points a finger that none of the other IAF fighters launched weapons or generated BVR solutions. The question is: the deciding factor is where those Porki fighters were - still on their side of LC or had they crossed over? Do we go in for BVR missile launches even when their fighters are on their side of the LC? In which case, we are forcing the escalation (with a nuclear overhang) to a higher level!
- On one hand he states that the Su-30s were kept busy avoiding the AMRAAM lock-ons. In that case, how come all
the SA Raptors (H-4 in Porki parlance) fired from (most likely) the Mirage-IIIs missed their targets? The Porkis are not exactly nincompoops to have fired expensive PGMs and deliberatley missed. If one argues that was indeed their objective, then they could have gone and dropped dumb bombs, instead. The Raptor, it is understood needs continuous guidance and the Mirage-IIIs were obviously forced to discontinue their attacks.
- He points a finger as to how" even a large strike package managed to were able to test the ‘air superiority’ capabilities of the Su-30 MKI, the flagship of the Indian Air Force". Well, its not exactly rocket science, is it? If there is a trade-off between moving up the escalatory ladder and BVR engagement on hostile Porkis still on their side, then its a higher leadership call - definitely not to be taken either by the Fighter Controllers or the pilots on the scene. So what's he going on to state " Had Abhinandan’s MiG-21 not managed to bring down a PAF jet, the proceedings above Sunderbani sector on February 27 would likely attract far more sweeping scrutiny. Experts believe it still should."
- Which experts ? armchair journos? And .. 'sweeping scrutiny' - really!?
-I would put it the other way round - that lets not forget that one of the objectives of their strike was to bait and down our assets- which they did manage. Its more than a saving grace that we managed to get an F-16, and that too by the same Bison that they had trapped! It could have easily gone worse!