Indian Military Aviation - 06 March 2019

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 08 Sep 2019 12:28

This is ths final configuration. Single ventral fin, no dorsal fin. The spin chute will obviously come off. But, I don't see the MLG doors

Khalsa · Post by **Khalsa** » 08 Sep 2019 14:00

A Magnificent day for our country !!

Bharadwaj · Post by **Bharadwaj** » 08 Sep 2019 15:08

A great week for Indigenous development.

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 08 Sep 2019 19:04

Great Day. waiting to see the armed version of this beauty.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 08 Sep 2019 20:36

Great news.An armerd version for COIN woulx be very useful. Q.Does the HTT- 40 have lightweight ejection seats?

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 08 Sep 2019 21:52

Philip wrote:Great news.An armerd version for COIN woulx be very useful. Q.Does the HTT- 40 have lightweight ejection seats?

No. It uses the 0-0 Martin Baker ejection seats.

More than the armed version, I am waiting for the recce version. Will be great for coastal surveillance, Rann of Kutch, and our interiors. This is will be significantly cheaper than the Do.228, and dare I say better as well.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 09 Sep 2019 21:12

Please continue all discussions on HTT-40 in this thread ---> viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7775

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 11 Sep 2019 14:15

Def. News /TOI report that HAL is seriously considering building the 70 seat Ru IL-114 which would be a replacement for a popular civil passenger transport , (ATR-72?) cheaper by 25% at just $17/18 M a pop. The bird comes with PW engines, plush interiors too. Certification is expected to be over by 2021.If accurate, it could be a very useful platform for mil. versions just like the ATR , for MRP, mil transports, etc. Is this HAL's competitive answer to the TATA Airbus' C- 295, not wanting to lose out on the light/ med. transport market?

The C- 295 deal according to Janes for 62 birds is approx. $ 3.15 M.That works out to $50M a pop.Unit cost for the C-295 are approx. $28M a pop. However the C-295 has one advantage of having overwing engines as compared with the IL-114, Which from the data available is a whopping $10M cheaper than a C-295 and around $5- 8 M cheaper than an ATR which is roughly in the same range as a C-295..

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 11 Sep 2019 18:09

^^^
Maybe HAL should offer the Il-112 or An-132 as a competition to C-295.

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 11 Sep 2019 18:15

It is best to avoid Russian planes for civil aviation. They have a horrible record with the latest to bite the dust is the SSJ series. The initial lower cost of Russian planes are deceptive and more needs to be taken into account -Overall serviceability/availability, life time running costs etc.

Raveen · Post by **Raveen** » 11 Sep 2019 19:52

Vips wrote:It is best to avoid Russian planes for civil aviation. They have a horrible record with the latest to bite the dust is the SSJ series. The initial lower cost of Russian planes are deceptive and more needs to be taken into account -Overall serviceability/availability, life time running costs etc.

100%

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 11 Sep 2019 20:07

I don't understand the criticism of HAL here. Are we criticizing HAL for compet in ng and trying to save its share of pie. Which company wouldn't?

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 12 Sep 2019 02:32

Vips wrote:It is best to avoid Russian planes for civil aviation. They have a horrible record with the latest to bite the dust is the SSJ series. The initial lower cost of Russian planes are deceptive and more needs to be taken into account -Overall serviceability/availability, life time running costs etc.

Russian civilian aircraft have had few takers outside of Russia (and formerly the SU) for obvious reasons. But do you have statistics proving that Russian civilian jets crashed at a higher rate than their western counterparts and what percentage of those crashes were due to design and/or manufacturing defects? Since you have mentioned the horrible record, I assume you do.

As far as the SSJ is concerned, there have been 2 fatal crashes. The first one was pilot error during a demo flight. The second one was after a lightning strike necessitated an emergency landing which went wrong.

Nothing quite so severe as a manufacturer failing to disclose an automated system for stall avoidance to the pilots and the system then going horribly wrong and crashing the aircraft for example.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 12 Sep 2019 02:38

Indranil wrote:I don't understand the criticism of HAL here. Are we criticizing HAL for compet in ng and trying to save its share of pie. Which company wouldn't?

I swear, its getting a bit too funny now. On the one hand everyone gives angry soundbytes about HAL being so chalta hain, doesnt agilely compete for business like a true private firm, and then you have this.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 12 Sep 2019 03:52

Anyone remember the ongoing crisis with Boeing's 737 Max birds!

On a more serious note, having transports being made in India for both mil/civil roles in both HAL and pvt. sector,
will give a fillip to our aviation industry.Our last HAL transport bird made was the venerable HS-748/AVRO, still flying. Both C-295 and IL-114 could have mil. versions from troop/ cargo transports, AEW,MRP, ELINT, platforms, etc.These will be very useful additions to our logistic capability as logistics provide food for the troops and bullets to fight with.The famous saying, " amateurs talk tactics, professionals logistics".

John · Post by **John** » 12 Sep 2019 04:00

Philip wrote:Anyone remember the ongoing crisis with Boeing's 737 Max birds!

OT let's move that discussion to Intl Aviation we can discuss there.

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 12 Sep 2019 04:35

Guys, there are thousands of 737 and A320s with their numerous minor models flying, each type having millions of flight hours, with hundreds of thousands of take-offs and landings per year per type. And you can remember maybe 2 or 3 such events where a crash occurred?

How many SSJ or other Russian civilian jets are in service, what numbers of take-offs per year, what number of flight hours per year and then you compare their safety records. I'm not saying that the Russian civilian jets are unsafe (I am sure that they are certified and go through a similarly rigorous certification process) but please for God's sake don't speak about Boeing or Airbus jets being unsafe. They're safer than nearly any other form of transportation, the 737 MAX issue aside.

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 12 Sep 2019 04:47

nachiket wrote:
Vips wrote:It is best to avoid Russian planes for civil aviation. They have a horrible record with the latest to bite the dust is the SSJ series. The initial lower cost of Russian planes are deceptive and more needs to be taken into account -Overall serviceability/availability, life time running costs etc.
Russian civilian aircraft have had few takers outside of Russia (and formerly the SU) for obvious reasons. But do you have statistics proving that Russian civilian jets crashed at a higher rate than their western counterparts and what percentage of those crashes were due to design and/or manufacturing defects? Since you have mentioned the horrible record, I assume you do.

As far as the SSJ is concerned, there have been 2 fatal crashes. The first one was pilot error during a demo flight. The second one was after a lightning strike necessitated an emergency landing which went wrong.

Nothing quite so severe as a manufacturer failing to disclose an automated system for stall avoidance to the pilots and the system then going horribly wrong and crashing the aircraft for example.

Dont want to go OT. Check the saga of Interjet with SSJ. They have the entire fleet of SSJ grounded and have offered it for sale (which of course nobody is buying). They are ordering Airbus 320 NEOs now.

https://aviationanalyst.co.uk/2018/11/0 ... superjets/

https://newsroom.aviator.aero/interjet- ... -a320neos/

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 12 Sep 2019 12:06

Interjet business model has changed so they are more interested in long distance narrow body type that regional even then its not certain yet.

SSJ is EASA certified so the safety is as good as any EASA certified aircraft they go through the same compliance procedure

As far as news of IL-114 goes it’s a good move as RTA was not going any where and regional carrier market is growing and HAL can’t let opportunity go of business hoping something will happen , if they get enough regional customers they will build it here else they will maintain it , it’s business for HAL , let other private player compete with other models of ATR or other type

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 12 Sep 2019 18:09

It is not just the business model that changed. Interjet coundnt wait to junk the maintenance heavy SSJ, no wonder they are not able to sell the grounded fleet.Fact is SSJ is a lemon.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 12 Sep 2019 18:30

Vips wrote:It is not just the business model that changed. Interjet coundnt wait to junk the maintenance heavy SSJ, no wonder they are not able to sell the grounded fleet.Fact is SSJ is a lemon.

They have made 180 of those till date and got more order at maks , they are also building global support base to take care of support issue which is what they found as bottle neck , Sukhoi is new to civil business so there is learning curve.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 12 Sep 2019 19:22

Now we have gone WAY off topic. Please continue this discussion in the Intl Aviation thread.

VishalJ · Post by **VishalJ** » 22 Sep 2019 11:33

Not the real thing but, who know? We should find out in a few months time

https://twitter.com/VishalJolapara/stat ... 1098296321

kit · Post by **kit** » 22 Sep 2019 17:08

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/natio ... 33937.html

After the final operational clearance (FOC) of Light Combat Aircraft Tejas, India is now looking at a rapid multi-pronged effort to build the next class of fighter jets having more powerful engines and potent weaponry.
Dr G Satheesh Reddy, who is Secretary, Defence Research and Development, and also Chairman of DRDO, said, “The FOC for Tejas is a landmark for the country. From here on, we can produce faster (jets).” The design for the Medium Weight Fighter (MWF) is ready. The prototype will be ready by 2021-end,” the senior defence scientist added.

The Tejas weighs 6.5 tonnes and the MWF is the next class and targeted to weigh around 17 tonnes. The Aeronautical Development Agency and the Indian Air Force (IAF) have designed it as per the requirement of the IAF. It will have an engine of 98 Kilonewton (Kn) thrust.
Also, India is looking to take a technological leap. The DRDO is now in talks with an international partner to make a jet engine of 110 Kn power. So far, no such engine exists anywhere in the world. “We are open to working on this and are in talks with partners for joint development,” said Dr Reddy, adding this engine could be used on future jets.

On being asked about the Kaveri engine, Dr Reddy said it would be used on UAVs. “It is not being shelved.” Notably, Kaveri’s thrust is about 75 Kn and 90 Kn is desired to power a fighter jet.

The Ministry of Defence has already informed Parliament about the technological difficulties of engine-making, including non-availability of raw material/critical components and skilled manpower.

On the much-debated construction timeline for the variants of Tejas, Dr Reddy, who took over as DRDO Chairman in August last year, said the first 20 of the Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) version will be ending very soon. The production of 20 jets under the FOC version would start this year and would be done in two years. We are waiting for the IAF to place an order for 83 jets of the Mark 1A version.

On the engine of the Arjun tank, so far imported from MTU Germany, Dr Reddy said, “A new engine is being developed and will be tested.”

kit · Post by **kit** » 22 Sep 2019 17:13

https://www.theweek.in/theweek/current/ ... chief.html

Do you think that we have achieved enough in aircraft manufacturing technology?

Though the country will be busy with lot more technology to be developed, during three decades of developing a fighter jet, many basic technologies were developed. Today, [India] can design and configure the airframe and develop software and avionics. So, all these things are available. And, in fact, if you can make a layout of the overall configuration of an aircraft, you know where to plug in all the subsystems. We have reached that stage.
You mean to say that India has reached a higher level of aircraft development?

Yes, now onwards, aircraft development will not face the same issues that we have faced during development of the Tejas. Many technologies have been developed. The ecosystem of a fighter aircraft has been developed. More so, India can also develop a commercial aircraft as well with the LCA core technologies available with us. Technologically, the basis of what is required is also with us. So, India can now manufacture commercial aircraft also. With National Aeronautics Limited and other people coming together, we should be able to do that.
Where we have reached in developing aircraft engines?

Aircraft engine is an important element that we have not developed completely for LCA. But, even if you look worldwide, engine makers are very few. Only five countries in the world produce [aircraft] engines. It means not every country has engine technologies. DRDO is now in talks with international engine houses to develop a jet engine that will be of 110Kn (kilonewton) power. So far, no such engine exists in the world.

Can you name some of the key upcoming projects of DRDO? And at what stages are those projects at the moment?

The new platform systems, into which work is being initiated, include the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), new-generation main battle tank (NGMBT), long-range radars, airborne warning and control system (AWACS), sonar suite, high-thrust aero engines, engines for wheeled platforms, underwater autonomous vehicles and hypersonic glide vehicles.

Some of the systems under advanced development include long-range surface-to-air missile, man-portable ATGM, Stand-off Anti-Tank Missile (SANT), Akash NG, advanced torpedoes and medium-range surface-to-air missile (MRSAM) for the Army. In addition, a ship-launched short-range surface-to-air missile (SRSAM) for the Navy, Astra Mk-II air-to-air missile and short-range naval anti-ship missile are also being developed.

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 23 Oct 2019 05:15

Was this posted earlier?

First Photo Of ASRAAM-Armed IAF Jaguar, Debut Firing Soon

It’s all systems go for the first test-firing of an MBDA ASRAAM close combat missile from an Indian Air Force Jaguar combat jet. The photograph you see here, taken late last year, is the the first known photograph in the public domain of an IAF Jaguar sporting the ASRAAM. It depicts qualification tests for the overwing launcher adapter and ground vibration tests under the aegis of the National Aerospace Laboratory (NAL) in Bengaluru. The lab has also conducted flight flutter tests on the integration. A first test firing of the ASRAAM is expected to take place before the end of the year off the coast of Goa.

The IAF’s new chief Air Chief Marshal Rakesh Bhadauria happens to be a Jaguar pilot, though he has taken office at a time when the IAF has had to take tough decisions on strengthening its Jaguar fleet. At his inaugural press conference earlier this month, Bhadauria said, “The Jaguar DARIN 3 (Display Attack Ranging Inertial Navigation) upgrade will be implemented as per plan, engines and obsolescence will be managed, but no new engines will be fitted.” He was referring to long-standing $700 million plans to replace the Jaguar’s old and notoriously underpowered engines with new turbofans, an effort in which U.S. firm Honeywell’s F125N engine emerged the sole possibility. The re-engine program is now dead owing to cost and priorities.

The ASRAAM is the second new missile integration on the Jaguar in the last few years. In 2013, the IAF’s Jaguars began flying with new Boeing Harpoon anti-ship missiles. Earlier this year too, HAL unveiled what it called the ‘Jaguar MAX’ upgrade to open up its DARIN II airframes to more weapon choices, including the ability to deploy 4 privately developed swarm drones. The IAF remains divided on spending scant modernisation resources on an ageing platform, so the ASRAAM is likely to be the last new bit of kit slung on.

In January, Livefist scooped IAF plans to integrate the ASRAAM on its Su-30 MKI fighter platform, with bigger plans to standardise the missile system across its fighter fleet. The Su-30 MKI integration plan though has expectedly hit rough weather with Russia. While the ASRAAM’s maker MBDA U.K. has said its ASRAAM-related activity in India is currently focused on completing the Jaguar tests, the IAF’s next steps on the fleet-wide adoption of the ASRAAM will be more clear in the next few months. Over the last two years, it has become known that the IAF is weighing ASRAAMs on its Hawk trainers for a mixed force profile and considering the ASRAAM for its LCA Tejas, where it will need to dislodge HAL’s current choice of the Rafael Python.

“The Jaguar is no longer easy prey,” says Russel Martin, head of technical and military operations military advisors at MBDA UK. “We’re working with the IAF and HAL to conduct the first firing from a Jaguar as soon as possible.”

While clarity remains elusive on the extent to which the IAF will manage to standardise the ASRAAM across its fleet, MBDA recently unveiled an agreement with Indian state-owned missile maker Bharat Dynamics Ltd (BDL) to transfer final assembly and integration functions of the ASRAAM to India, a move reported by Livefist last October. The Indian forces have been saddled with a smorgasbord of airframe and weapon types over the years, so the prospect of an Indian production line certainly helps. But Israel, which has made deep strides in missile partnerships with India, won’t for a moment make this an easy ride.

The ASRAAM program is part of a larger churn in the the Indian air-to-air missile scene, with several new missile assets becoming operational in IAF service in the near future. Apart from the ASRAAM, MBDA’s Meteor, the indigenous Astra and a new generation version of Russia’s R-73 missile will be inducted in a matter of months.

Topping things off, India’s Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO) in February tested a complete solid fuel ducted ramjet (SFDR) propulsion system from a ground based launcher as part of a $70 million joint effort since 2013 by India and Russia to create a new generation air-to-air weapon.

Livefist also recently reported that the IAF’s keenness to explore a Meteor fit on its upgraded Mirage 2000 won’t be working out. MBDA has responded saying the MICA NG would be a better fit, given the Mirage 2000’s radar and fire control system wouldn’t be able to exploit the Meteor’s full capabilities. India’s upgraded Mirage 2000 fleet comes with a MICA IR/RF missile package similar to the one chosen for the Indian Rafale. The MICA NG is being made available to the latter platform too.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 23 Oct 2019 07:30

What is the comparative capability now between the two upgraded medium fighters, the M2K at $ 50M a pop and the MIG-29 UPG at $12M a pop? If Meteor can't be used on the M2Ks how will it fend off BVR challenges? The MIG-29s can still field upgraded versions
of any Ru BVR AAM, but the M2K? Can the reverse be done using Ru AAMs on the Mirages?

Or as was being touted, Astra as a universal BVR AAM for almost all types including Tejas. ASRAAM on the underpowered Jags should be a cost-effective exercise. Would it be better to acquire more capable 29s or M2Ks if available instead? Ideally, Tejas should come to the crease and take over from the Jags, but where is it in numbers and the ongoing strike at HAL will affect all programmes including Jag upgrades.

Opening up Tejas production to the pvt. sector must be done if we are to field hundreds of them in as short a time as possible. It would also obviate the need for the 114 extra firang birds being asked for, which will involve huge costs .Here we have a desi design albeit with much firang components but in our total control.Tatas, Reliance, Adanis- whoever, could be given contracts for production
in parallel with HAL who have reportedly recently to have arrived at a unit cost lesser than that of an MKI which was its earlier estimate! The Indian pvt. sector could offer a very competitive figure and HAL justify its unit cost as some form of royalty to keep its hangars buzzing. This would give us a win- win situ and spur domestic aircraft production manifold.

chetonzz · Post by **chetonzz** » 17 Jan 2020 12:27

(please let me know if following topic/ discussion belongs to another thread...)

our retired Mig-21 FL, has grabbed my imagination over a month now and i think it is (FL) a legendary fighter like F-35 of 60s

looking at FL's cockpit...that reflective sight on top played any role in radar/target tracking/missile lock? or it was only a WW2 era type of gunsight for close range dogfight?

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 21 Jan 2020 06:43

This video claims India conducted ground test of 'a pre proto type' of Ghatak UCAV. Also a flying test bed will be flown using a Saturn turbofan.

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 25 Jan 2020 09:32

Indranil in Mk1 Thread wrote:Dileep sir, I will ask the question here and you can reply in the military aviation thread.

Any updates on the developments on the IJT? That program worries and excited me.

No idea. We are still 'standing in the driveway' of HAL. No inside access. I will share (what is shareable) when we come to know.

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 25 Feb 2020 06:18

From Vayu Aerospace's Nov-Dec 2019 edition

Certifying agency RCMA (A/c) has accorded Final Operation Clearance for the HAL-built Jaguar DARIN III strike fighter. So far, three Jaguars have been modified at HAL Bangalore to DARIN-III standard and subjected to a series of ground and flight trials for the full navigation and attack capabilities.

The upgrade incorporates new generation avionics systems including the in-house developed Open System Architecture Mission Computer (JD3MC),
Engine and Flight Instrument System (EFIS) replacing traditional electro mechanical instruments, Solid State Video Recording System, INS/GPS System with GPS + GLONASS, Multi-Mode Radar, EW Suite, Autopilot and Glass Cockpit.

Some 61 Jaguars are to be upgraded to DARIN III standards.

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 25 Feb 2020 06:20

Expect to see the Voice Activated Command System (VACS) to be on the MWF, possibly the first IAF fighter to feature this technology.

From Vayu Aerospace Nov-Dec 2019 edition

The HAL-built Hawk-i has been integrated with indigenous Voice Activated Command System (VACS) making its first sortie on 26 July, 2019, being the first indigenous Artificial Intelligence based system to be integrated on an military aircraft in the country.

The VACS, designed and developed by the SLRDC is a Speech Recognition System which recognises pilot voice commands and sends the recognised commands to the Mission Computer for required action. This reduces the pilot workload and allows more focus on critical tasks.

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 18 Mar 2020 02:47

link

India is very much likely to buy an extra batch of Russian MiG-29 fighter jets, chief of Russia’s Federal Service for Military Technical Cooperation Dmitry Shugayev said on Monday.

"There is a high probability that we will have an additional order for MiG-29 fighter jets," he said in an interview with the Rossiya-24 television channel.

India currently has more than 60 MiG-29 aircarft.

According to Shugayev, Russia has good chances to take part in India’s tender for the purchase of 110 fighter jets that is to be announced soon. It was reported earlier that the Russian side planned to take part in this tender with its MiG-35 fighter jets.

chola · Post by **chola** » 18 Mar 2020 08:43

^^^ Why unless extraordinarily inexpensive maybe? Every rupee should be spent on the local product when it is available as an option.

What can the MiG-29 do that Tejas can't?

Even the twin engine argument doesn't hold water here. The dependability of the F404 vs the RD-33 is such that even with one engine, the Tejas is a more reliable plane to fly.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 18 Mar 2020 10:49

I agree but the Tejas orders should have been years ago, I support this extra orders of the existing type, Ramping up various Tejas Mk1 then Mk1A, ans simultaneously workign on Naval LCA, MWF, TEDBF and AMCA.

But this is much better than this 114 MRCA, this number should made up by Upgraded Su-30 orders say 36 , keep the line flowing for 3 years, 21 Mig 29's, 36 more Rafale's, and give 21 Tejas Mk1 FOC an additional 25 order and order lots more than 83 Mk1A. At least 24-32 domestically produced fighters are required per year int he near future.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 18 Mar 2020 12:12

The extra batch could be the 21 aircraft order that was talked about earlier. Not a bad way to quickly and cheaply shore up numbers without adding a new type. The aircraft is quite potent after the new upgrade. We can make it more so if we integrate the Astra on it.

arvin · Post by **arvin** » 18 Mar 2020 13:06

These were moth balled during soviet times and as per last year reports these 21 would be upgraded to UPG standard.
This along with 36 + 36 rafale will bring in 93 MRCA in next 5 years i.e by 2025. The MRCA tender of 110 aircraft should officially be cancelled since there would be a shortfall of only 17 aircraft i.e 1 squadron. This can be fulfilled by Tejas mk 1A.

Neilz · Post by **Neilz** » 18 Mar 2020 18:59

Vayushakti 2019

https://zeenews.india.com/photos/india/ ... an-2270216

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 05 Apr 2020 21:01

https://twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/12465 ... 53697?s=20 ---> Indian Light Transport Aircraft Saras is undergoing a series of modifications & upgrades. Exploratory flight-tests on-going with composite propellers. Tractor configuration (instead of pusher props) & jet configuration on the cards in due course, for military & civil operators.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 06 Apr 2020 21:19

See the last post on the previous page and then read below....

So a retired Air Marshal of the Indian Air Force replied to Group Captain HV Thakur's tweet. See that back-and-forth below....

https://twitter.com/bcnanjapa/status/12 ... 38881?s=20 ---> Basic reason why earlier prototype failed has not been addressed; just the usual HAL fiddling around with a poor design to maintain funding.

https://twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/12468 ... 88992?s=20 ---> Sir, SARAS is an NAL aircraft funded by CSIR, Ministry of Sc & Tech. Ground & Flight Testing is done by IAF serving personnel. HAL is not connected in any way. Very poor knowledge and attitude I'm afraid. Please Refrain.

https://twitter.com/KSingh84856557/stat ... 32867?s=20 ---> Sadly if this is the ill-informed nonsense that developers have to face from the services it’s no surprise they are addicted to imports. I guess every non-Indian project comes out of the gates fully mature and issue free. Indian armed forces don’t deserve to be world class.

https://twitter.com/KSingh84856557/stat ... 50433?s=20 ---> No doubt about it that a collaborative approach needs to be taken- that’s the ONLY way there will be success but frankly it seems like this is a one way street. Have heard developers constantly talking about taking inputs from users, but users only seem interested in critiques.

https://twitter.com/KSingh84856557/stat ... 83205?s=20 ---> Don’t think I’ve ever seen the armed forces criticize an imported system once it’s in their arsenal, on the other hand they seem to never hold back when it comes to publicly scolding an Indian product and it’s developers.

https://twitter.com/KSingh84856557/stat ... 34340?s=20 ---> Indian armed forces actually lobby MoD to lower/relax certain conditions so certain imports can be green lit, the reverse seems applicable for Indian systems where the armed forces won’t even look at inductions until 110% of their requirements are met.