Indian Military Aviation - 06 March 2019

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HAL's CATS Warrior With Group Captain Harsh Vardhan Thakur, VM (Retd) at Aero India 2021

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Dassault Group has an India software services unit offering defence MSMEs a digital ‘trial room’
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For records...

Lecture 85 : Guest Lecture by Dr. Kota Harinarayana on Air Power & Multi-role Fighter Aircraft-Part 01 & 02

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The very definition of elegance and beauty..

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That title now goes to LCA ji :lol:
Kartik wrote:Another shot that looks like SP-24, the latest FOC fighter to fly.

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Nah, not in my opinion..the LCA is a looker no doubt, but the Mirage-2000 is simply the most beautiful of all, IMO. The proportions are simply perfect and the curves..one couldn't do it better.

That image you posted actually got me thinking..now that there are so many digital artists out there with great PS skills, it would be amazing to see a Tejas in Mirage-2000 like blue/grey camouflage scheme. Just for kicks. :D
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Does anyone know why the Mirages were never repainted in Tipnis grey? Every other IAF fighter lost the various camo schemes they used to be painted in.
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Kartik, I agree with you that the Mirages are gorgeous. That's what 5 generation of iterations buys you. Mk1 does not have that refined lines. And I told these to people who fly and developed the Mk1. It is like telling somebody that their child is ugly. :D

How I wish there is an Mk1B. 0.5mtr longer with everything smoothed out.
1. only 2 slats
2. optimized LG, structure and reduction of balance weights
3. wingtip pylons
4. smoothened aft-canopy and engine bay regions
5. shoulder mounted gun, fuselage pylon in it's place
6. 0.5 tons of more fuel
7. elongated and canted intakes like on the Mk2 for lower wave drag.

ADA/HAL can basically get that aircraft to weigh the same as the current Mk1A. M It won't be as flexible as the Mk2, but it will be hotter rod. It will look, accelerate and turn better than the Mk2.
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Sounds like what Tejas would've been without the need to match the MiG-21 footprint exactly.
But a question, Indranil: why the splitter plate intakes? Forget DSI if one were to look at 4G a/c, they seem more like the Hornet rather than the Super Hornet. Even the KAI T-50 has no splitter plates. Will Mk.2 intakes be substantially different?
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The amount of effort that will go once there is a design change will be the same whether it is 0.5 meters or 1.3 meters bigger, correct? If that is the case, I love the 3400 Kgs internal fuel and 6500 KGs external payload capacity of Mk2!
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Jaeger wrote:Sounds like what Tejas would've been without the need to match the MiG-21 footprint exactly.
But a question, Indranil: why the splitter plate intakes? Forget DSI if one were to look at 4G a/c, they seem more like the Hornet rather than the Super Hornet. Even the KAI T-50 has no splitter plates. Will Mk.2 intakes be substantially different?
You are talking about the shape of the intake. The splitter plate is present for all intakes which aren't DSI. On the Super Hornet, T-50 and F-22 the shape and size of the intakes just hides that fact. On the Tejas, the size of the opening is smaller than the size of the splitter plate giving it a different look.
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Jaeger wrote:Sounds like what Tejas would've been without the need to match the MiG-21 footprint exactly.
But a question, Indranil: why the splitter plate intakes? Forget DSI if one were to look at 4G a/c, they seem more like the Hornet rather than the Super Hornet. Even the KAI T-50 has no splitter plates. Will Mk.2 intakes be substantially different?
Actually each of these intakes are different. For a supersonic fixed inlet, some shocks can be beneficial in slowing the air down before the inlet. This becomes especially important when the inlet is in a completely free stream.

Splitter plates can be designed to serve two purposes. Separate the boundary layer and create the shocks.

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There are alternatives as well including using the wing LE like in the LCA Mk1. In the Superhornet, the inside and top wall of the inlet is designed in a way to create those shocks.
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I am not sure how it works in the KAI-T50. Most probably, its proximity to the LE of the LERX provides the shielding.
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Thanks nachiket and Indranil. I think I understand about the size + type of inlet. A follow-up: the Mk1 like the F/A-18, has a little "vent" (?) in the wing, above the intake, which the Shornet doesn't have:
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Is that like a bypass system for airflow?
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This seems to be as good of a place to post this.

Bangladesh visit: PM uses new VVIP aircraft for 1st time on foreign trip
The aircraft, which has call sign AI1 or Air India One, departed from Delhi around 8 am and landed at the Dhaka airport around 10.30 am on Friday, government officials said.
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Beautiful newly upgraded Jaguar DARIN 3 in primer..one of the clearest shots of this elusive big cat.

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https://theprint.in/opinion/25-yrs-ago- ... ssion=true

25 yrs ago, an IAF Mi-17 was shot down while Army, Navy chiefs were touring Siachen
After we landed at Siachen Base Camp, we got to know that a helicopter was shot down by Pakistan. We had to send back a message.
AVM Manmohan Bahadur (retd)

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Military aviation is an adrenaline booster in more ways than one, with some instances not being of the pleasant kind. We had the unfortunate crash of Army Aviation’s Rudra ALH helicopter in the Ranjit Sagar Dam lake on 3 August, with the mortal remains of the co-pilot still to be retrieved. It’s indeed an agonising wait for the next of kin, as it is for his comrades, but the show needs to go on. One can rest assured that the Indian Army, especially the Commanding Officer (CO), would be leaving no stone unturned to bring closure to this unfortunate accident. And, when losses happen due to enemy action, an added responsibility devolves on the ‘old man’ – the CO.

It reminds me of an incident that took place 25 years ago.

The three Chiefs – Army, Navy and Air Force – decided to fly over the Northern Glacier in Siachen together on 26 August 1996. I was commanding 114 Helicopter Unit, the Siachen Pioneers, and we were to fly the Air and Naval Chiefs while the Army Aviation squadron was given the task for the Army Chief. As can be expected, the presence of three Chiefs in the air on the glacier when Siachen was a live battlefield, called for extraordinary preparations. Combined briefings were held and procedures and protocol thrashed out to the minutest detail. All was in place for the D-day so that the three four-Stars could fly together on the highest battlefield in the world when, just a day before, the Air Chief had to cancel his programme due to some pressing engagement.

We positioned our Cheetah helicopters at Base Camp early morning on 26 August while the Naval and Army Chiefs flew from Delhi to Thoise (an airfield north of Leh) in a fixed-wing aircraft and thereafter took an Mi-17 helicopter to Base Camp. The plan was to fly along the full length of the Northern Glacier till Indira Col and then land at Kumar post (15,000 ft) where the Chiefs would spend 15 minutes getting briefed.
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Indian Fighter Jets To Be Equipped With Same Missiles As F-35 Lightning II, Eurofighter Typhoon
By Nitin J Ticku- August 27, 2021
https://eurasiantimes.com/indian-fighte ... -typhoons/
European defense giant MBDA and India’s Bharat Dynamics Limited (BDL) recently signed an agreement, under which the latter will assemble, integrate and test an Advanced Short Range Air-to-Air Missile (ASRAAM), according to reports.

Under the new pact, MBDA will transfer “equipment, knowledge, and training” to establish the new facility, which will be focused initially on MBDA’s Advanced Short Range Air-to-Air Missile (ASRAAM).
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https://twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/14606 ... 74280?s=20 ---> "VACS, find nearest airbase..."

Indian Voice Activated Command System (VACS) is robust, pilot-friendly, accurate.

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HUGE news for Indian aerospace, surprised it hasn’t already been posted

https://twitter.com/ksingh_1469/status/ ... 6qNbZXhvrQ ---> Outstandingly good news. @HALHQBLR getting into leasing (see my earlier tweet).

@PawanHansLtd inducting Indian helos for the first time ever. Perhaps the BEST part - HAL LUH already scoring civilian orders, LUH has scope to change Indian rotary wing aviation.
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Great news! Finally some movement on this front.

https://twitter.com/HALHQBLR/status/151 ... SWydg5h2Vg ---> In a move aimed at bolstering the ‘Make in India’ campaign, HAL has entered into an MoU with Israel Aerospace Industries to convert civil (passenger) aircraft into Multi Mission Tanker Transport aircraft in India.

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https://twitter.com/Amitraaz/status/151 ... HXbVJ-Y6SQ ---> HAL-IAI to convert civil (passenger) aircraft into Multi-Mission Tanker Transport (MMTT) aircraft in India for the Indian Air Force.

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A great tweet from KSingh. Along with wide body airframes, I hope we can snag a couple of A-340s or B-747s to use as a test bed for a low bypass turbofan. Perhaps IAI can help with that as well.

https://twitter.com/KSingh_1469/status/ ... M2NsYQqe2Q ---> The lowest of low hanging fruits but FINALLY some sense. 100s of relatively new wide body airframes lay in boneyards around the world thanks to Covid. Let’s hope this can be the solution to the Indian Air Force's critical tanker shortage. Finance ministry weren’t going to allow A330 MRTT.
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It seems like the above is an initiative by HAL to perhaps get the ball rolling on to get and idea about conversion process (Civ to Mil conversion is quite common in US commercial sector perhaps in EU too) as well as to start investing in infra required for the same. With no money to obtain gold-plated A330-MRTT, I guess the writing on the wall is to go with 767 conversion planes...makes sense.
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The proposal came from a member here and was adopted.
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ramana wrote:The proposal came from a member here and was adopted.
8) Excellent!! I don't know who the member was (and I don't want to know), but I'm proud of him and BRF. 8)
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ramana wrote:The proposal came from a member here and was adopted.
Excellent news and kudos all round! Hope more ideas are taken into consideration, BRF has some stalwart thinking folk.
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Another Idea is we could use DRDO developed AEWS funded through DGCA to control civilian AIr traffic and monitor Drone and Civilian Air Traffic using commercially available 737 and A320's, that way developing fleet and crew experience 20-25 aircraft. Which can be rerouted to the Fronts during requirement.
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Aditya_V wrote:Another Idea is we could use DRDO developed AEWS funded through DGCA to control civilian AIr traffic and monitor Drone and Civilian Air Traffic using commercially available 737 and A320's, that way developing fleet and crew experience 20-25 aircraft. Which can be rerouted to the Fronts during requirement.
There are *some* skills that might be gained by our military airspace controllers gaining experience in civilian ATC monitoring, but little else. Plus, civilian ATC is in many ways fundamentally different from AEW&CS ops. Not sure how useful this will be. To be fair, during the Fall of Kabul, IIRC, there was some time when the Yank AWACS operators were handling ATC monitoring and control, but again, I'm not sure what the benefit is to having AEW&CS aircraft flying just to perform civilian ATC operations only for the sake of 'training'. Not a good use of airframe life, when ground radars, transponders, and ground-based ATC crews are enough.
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Advantage is numbers and can be funded by passenger Airport and overflight taxes.
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Rakesh wrote:A great tweet from KSingh. Along with wide body airframes, I hope we can snag a couple of A-340s or B-747s to use as a test bed for a low bypass turbofan. Perhaps IAI can help with that as well.

https://twitter.com/KSingh_1469/status/ ... M2NsYQqe2Q ---> The lowest of low hanging fruits but FINALLY some sense. 100s of relatively new wide body airframes lay in boneyards around the world thanks to Covid. Let’s hope this can be the solution to the Indian Air Force's critical tanker shortage. Finance ministry weren’t going to allow A330 MRTT.
https://twitter.com/TheLegateIN/status/ ... fvuuYclFMw ---> Meanwhile Brazilian airline giant LATAM is moving ahead with its plan to sell Nine of it's Boeing 767-300ER (all under 10 yrs old). B767 is frontrunner for IAF's aerial tankers conversion.
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k prasad wrote: There are *some* skills that might be gained by our military airspace controllers gaining experience in civilian ATC monitoring, but little else. Plus, civilian ATC is in many ways fundamentally different from AEW&CS ops. Not sure how useful this will be. To be fair, during the Fall of Kabul, IIRC, there was some time when the Yank AWACS operators were handling ATC monitoring and control, but again, I'm not sure what the benefit is to having AEW&CS aircraft flying just to perform civilian ATC operations only for the sake of 'training'. Not a good use of airframe life, when ground radars, transponders, and ground-based ATC crews are enough.
When Reagan broke the ATC strike he brought in military ATC. Ground based military ATCers can be preferred rather than AWACS operators if for some reason civilian ATC are not available. During the Fall of Kabul, the Americans had given up their military base, and planes flying in were mostly American military, not civilian. Integration of AFNET/IACCS with civilian radars will help with digital integrated air situation picture for air defence. DGCA is licensing/regulatory authority over civil ATC, not funding authority like AAI. And the funding authority has enough issues that it isn't going to fund planes for surplus military use

I endorse your point, using AEW&C for civilian ATC is not preferable
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In this YT by Indian defence news in Hindi talks about Saras-MKII Test flight, see around 3:33 looks like a graphic of the new Saras-MKII.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMJu0N0W2bo
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