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Postby Picklu » 08 Sep 2019 02:15

Karan M wrote:That problem has always been there with OFB gear, and still persists. BEL made gear, ECIL, Brahmos..all have a much better standard. OFB issues are not going to disappear without huge overhaul of entire workforce structure and investment in infra.


Just a matter of time; already OFB got the marching order, Corporatization is on the cards. The current govt is good in a way that 90% of the time it finishes what it starts.

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Postby rkhanna » 09 Sep 2019 15:01

Thakur_B wrote:
rkhanna wrote:Why the Navy Seals Rejected the SCAR-H

https://thenewsrep.com/118625/former-na ... com-rifle/

"Reid goes into detail about his experiences on deployment with the SCAR and how he (as well as many other SEALs) suffered through repeated malfunctions until he finally decided to switch back to the M4 despite often finding himself in 1,000 meter engagements. In his mind, the added range and accuracy of the 7.62 chambered SCAR simply wasn’t worth the headaches."

<Video in Link>


Complaints:
7.62 nato is heavy. Duh.
Standard optic utilising full range of gun is inconvenient for cqb. Duh.
Shoots steel case ammunition. Talks about feed failures. Duh.

Reciprocating handle is a genuine complaint though.



Actually the biggest complaint is that the reliability (malfunctions) is so stark that they rather use an M4 at extended ranges than the SCAR series.

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Postby ashishvikas » 13 Sep 2019 23:57

In a 1st, Bengaluru firm designs, develops two sniper rifles

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 118461.cms

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Postby Vips » 14 Sep 2019 00:46

In a 1st, Bengaluru firm designs, develops two sniper rifles.

As India pushes for increased participation of the private sector in defence production, a firm in Bengaluru’s Koramangala has, in a first for an Indian firm, designed and developed two sniper rifles prototypes meant for the armed forces, indigenously.

SSS Defence, which has begun work on constructing an 80,000 sqft arms factory at Jigani, 28km from Bengaluru, is hopeful of putting the two
weapons on trial with the special forces soon, even as it has its eyes locked on the export market.

“We are the first to indigenously design and develop sniper rifles. We’ve not acquired ready-made technology from abroad to only assemble. And that we are not only going to offer the weapon, but also provide a complete solution giving users ammunitions, optics and other accessories necessary to operate the weapon, makes us unique. As on date the armed forces buy all of these from different companies,” Vivek Krishnan, CEO, SSS Defence, told TOI.

India opened up arms manufacturing to private firms only in the previous term of the Narendra Modi government. While there
have been reports of some firms being in talks with foreign arms makers to get manufacturing rights for arms, no company has
so far announced design and development of any rifle, let alone those meant for sniping.
The army has been looking to acquire sniper rifles, which has been delayed because of the 20 firms that participated in a tender issued last year, none offered ammunition.
SSS Defence has developed two rifles: Viper, chambered for .308/7.62x51mm cartridge and Saber, chambered for .338 Lapua Magnum cartridge. While Viper has proved its accuracy from a distance of more than 1,000 metres, Saber has proved it on a 1,500 metres range. The Minute of Angle (MoA), which is used to measure the accuracy of rifles, the firm claimed, is best in the class, comparable to global weapons.

“Rifles chambered for 7.62x51mm NATO and .338 Lapua Magnum calibers are popular among military and law enforcement snipers across the world,” Satish R Machani, managing director, SSS Defence, said, adding that their weapons provide precision to long range rifle to shooters.

Stating that the design is based on the armed forces’ most recent requirements, Machani said they have already tested the weapons in the US, where it met all requirements. The rifles have modular, lightweight and ergonomically adjustable sniper chassis, which is rugged, reconfigurable, low maintenance, and manufactured from aerospace grade aluminum alloys. The firm said they are impervious to foul weather conditions, and hot/cold temperature extremes.

“The rifle has an ergonomically adjustable shoulder stock, which will prove very useful for our armed forces, which have men and women from different parts of the country who are built differently,” Krishnan said. So far, the firm has invested nearly Rs 20 crore in the business if small arms, optics and ammunition and has started work on building an 80,000 sqft arms factory at Jigani.

“This facility will be manufacturing arms and have a capacity to make 15,000 arms per annum from day one of the first phase. Capacity will then increase to 45,000 arms per annum in the second phase (January 2022) and 80,000 per annum in some years in the third phase,” Krishnan added.
Besides, Machani said that the firm has also acquired an 80-acre plot for an ammunition factory near Anantapur in Andhra Pradesh, some 200km from Bengaluru. “This factory will manufacture multiple ammunition calibers — 9mm, 7.62x39mm, 7.62x51mm, .338 Lapua and 12.7mm for export markets and domestic demand,” he added.

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Re: Small Armaments & Infantry Equipment - News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 14 Sep 2019 01:03

In the old Small Arms thread this firm was mentioned.

Machani is related to Machani Somappa.

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Postby JayS » 14 Sep 2019 01:19

Here is the website of SSS Defense. https://www.sssdefence.com/
So this Indian Company has joined hands with two companies to offer Firearms and Ammunition

1. SSLMT offering Firearms - JV with Lewis Machine & Tool Company - https://lmtdefense.com/
2. SSCBC offering Ammunition - JV with Companhia Brasileira de Cartuchos, Brazil (CBC, Brazil) - https://cbcglobal-ammunition.com/

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Postby Nikhil T » 14 Sep 2019 05:16

Does SSS have any firm orders? I'm always amazed at small private firms which enter Defence, knowing fully well the quagmire that is our Defence Procurement. They so confidently building factories that'll produce 15K arms per year. Kudos!

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Postby Bart S » 14 Sep 2019 06:10

Sorry, but that news article and claim of being indigenous is total BS.

The company itself is well known in the auto components space. Their tie up with LMT is a few years old and they had a display at the last Defexpo as well. LMT makes some excellent stuff, and kudos to SSS if they can pull off high quality licensed manufacture, but they should stop with the tall claims like "We’ve not acquired ready-made technology from abroad to only assemble."

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Postby ramana » 14 Sep 2019 06:14

I agree especially when they are offering similar products from Lewis Machine Tools.

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Postby Zynda » 14 Sep 2019 12:36

Gotta say that Indian Private Sector continues to surprise me in a glad way more & more...

In a 1st, Bengaluru firm designs, develops two sniper rifles

BENGALURU: As India pushes for increased participation of the private sector in defence production, a firm in Bengaluru’s Koramangala has, in a first for an Indian firm, designed and developed two sniper rifles prototypes meant for the armed forces, indigenously.

SSS Defence, which has begun work on constructing an 80,000 sqft arms factory at Jigani, 28km from Bengaluru, is hopeful of putting the two weapons on trial with the special forces soon, even as it has its eyes locked on the export market.

“We are the first to indigenously design and develop sniper rifles. We’ve not acquired ready-made technology from abroad to only assemble. And that we are not only going to offer the weapon, but also provide a complete solution giving users ammunitions, optics and other accessories necessary to operate the weapon, makes us unique. As on date the armed forces buy all of these from different companies,” Vivek Krishnan, CEO, SSS Defence, told TOI.

India opened up arms manufacturing to private firms only in the previous term of the Narendra Modi government. While there have been reports of some firms being in talks with foreign arms makers to get manufacturing rights for arms, no company has so far announced design and development of any rifle, let alone those meant for sniping.
The army has been looking to acquire sniper rifles, which has been delayed because of the 20 firms that participated in a tender issued last year, none offered ammunition.

SSS Defence has developed two rifles: Viper, chambered for .308/7.62x51mm cartridge and Saber, chambered for .338 Lapua Magnum cartridge. While Viper has proved its accuracy from a distance of more than 1,000 metres, Saber has proved it on a 1,500 metres range. The Minute of Angle (MoA), which is used to measure the accuracy of rifles, the firm claimed, is best in the class, comparable to global weapons.

“Rifles chambered for 7.62x51mm NATO and .338 Lapua Magnum calibers are popular among military and law enforcement snipers across the world,” Satish R Machani, managing director, SSS Defence, said, adding that their weapons provide precision to long range rifle to shooters.

Stating that the design is based on the armed forces’ most recent requirements, Machani said they have already tested the weapons in the US, where it met all requirements. The rifles have modular, lightweight and ergonomically adjustable sniper chassis, which is rugged, reconfigurable, low maintenance, and manufactured from aerospace grade aluminum alloys. The firm said they are impervious to foul weather conditions, and hot/cold temperature extremes.

“The rifle has an ergonomically adjustable shoulder stock, which will prove very useful for our armed forces, which have men and women from different parts of the country who are built differently,” Krishnan said.
So far, the firm has invested nearly Rs 20 crore in the business if small arms, optics and ammunition and has started work on building an 80,000 sqft arms factory at Jigani.

“This facility will be manufacturing arms and have a capacity to make 15,000 arms per annum from day one of the first phase. Capacity will then increase to 45,000 arms per annum in the second phase (January 2022) and 80,000 per annum in some years in the third phase,” Krishnan added.

Besides, Machani said that the firm has also acquired an 80-acre plot for an ammunition factory near Anantapur in Andhra Pradesh, some 200km from Bengaluru. “This factory will manufacture multiple ammunition calibers — 9mm, 7.62x39mm, 7.62x51mm, .338 Lapua and 12.7mm for export markets and domestic demand,” he added.


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Postby Thakur_B » 14 Sep 2019 14:30

^^ SSS has been working on Dragunov, Insas and AKM upgrade as well. Their AKM upgrade was very impressive.

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Postby Zynda » 14 Sep 2019 14:45

So is IA interested in adopting their products? Also, who are these guys? I will try to look them up, when time permits. Are these folks ex-OFB/ARDE/IA guys? Of course, only info which can be shared on open forum...

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Postby Thakur_B » 14 Sep 2019 20:08

Zynda wrote:So is IA interested in adopting their products? Also, who are these guys? I will try to look them up, when time permits. Are these folks ex-OFB/ARDE/IA guys? Of course, only info which can be shared on open forum...


viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4016&p=2301461#p2301461

SF were checking out their AKM upgrade a while back. Looks way better than FAB kits.

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Postby Bart S » 14 Sep 2019 20:08

Zynda wrote:So is IA interested in adopting their products? Also, who are these guys? I will try to look them up, when time permits. Are these folks ex-OFB/ARDE/IA guys? Of course, only info which can be shared on open forum...


Start by reading the previous posts in the thread about the news that was already posted and discussed before you posted it again.

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Postby Bart S » 14 Sep 2019 20:11

Thakur_B wrote:
Zynda wrote:So is IA interested in adopting their products? Also, who are these guys? I will try to look them up, when time permits. Are these folks ex-OFB/ARDE/IA guys? Of course, only info which can be shared on open forum...


viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4016&p=2301461#p2301461

SF were checking out their AKM upgrade a while back. Looks way better than FAB kits.


Did they take the initiative and develop it themselves, or is it just one of the many Israeli or American AK mod kits that they are marketing here under their own name?

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Postby Zynda » 14 Sep 2019 21:34

^^ Per this twitter thread, supposedly its all Indian. The gent Vivek Krishnan is the CEO of the company.

https://twitter.com/Viv_Krishnan/status ... 4680423424

We’re good friends with LMT, but exist as a 100% Indian co. While we do “collaborate” on some platforms (emphasis on purpose) these weapons have Indian brain, blood, sweat & tears on them...unless someone says we copied the idea of a bolt action receiver for a sniper rifle


It seems like Stumpp Schuele & Somappa Defence is a recent spin off. They have a partner each in Europe (CBC Defence) & US (LMT).

https://www.sssdefence.com/partners

To be honest, while I am glad about the quality products being churned out by these companies, I am also surprised. It is not easy to come up with a good contemporary small arms out of nowhere. So my curiosity about the kind of personnel involved in developing these products.

Anyways, more power to them. Companies like Tonbo, SSS along with a plethora of Aerospace start ups are essential in furthering our MIC.

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Postby Zynda » 14 Sep 2019 21:37

Better resolution good quality pictures of the rifle(s) in question...again from Twitter feed of Mr. Vivek Krishnan

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Postby Karthik S » 14 Sep 2019 21:50

Looks pretty TFTA.

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Postby JayS » 15 Sep 2019 13:23

Zynda wrote:^^ Per this twitter thread, supposedly its all Indian. The gent Vivek Krishnan is the CEO of the company.

https://twitter.com/Viv_Krishnan/status ... 4680423424

We’re good friends with LMT, but exist as a 100% Indian co. While we do “collaborate” on some platforms (emphasis on purpose) these weapons have Indian brain, blood, sweat & tears on them...unless someone says we copied the idea of a bolt action receiver for a sniper rifle


It seems like Stumpp Schuele & Somappa Defence is a recent spin off. They have a partner each in Europe (CBC Defence) & US (LMT).

https://www.sssdefence.com/partners

To be honest, while I am glad about the quality products being churned out by these companies, I am also surprised. It is not easy to come up with a good contemporary small arms out of nowhere. So my curiosity about the kind of personnel involved in developing these products.

Anyways, more power to them. Companies like Tonbo, SSS along with a plethora of Aerospace start ups are essential in furthering our MIC.


Some more clarification from CEO of SSS Defense.

https://twitter.com/Viv_Krishnan/status ... 1415962624
Fair point...the co was conceived to be a collaboration. We didn’t want to be under ITAR & so we retained 100% ownership, did no licensing as well. But we still collaborate on components & accessories outside of ITAR. SSS Defence is the umbrella brand. Will change the name soon


https://twitter.com/Viv_Krishnan/status ... 5254539265
I repeat...our small arms venture is 100% Indian. Pls reference our website http://www.sssdefence.com . LMT is still a collaborator but no JV partner. Till today the flow of tech is India to US on specific weapon comps and accessories. Not the other way


Regarding SSCBC which is the gun ammunition manufacturing venture.
https://twitter.com/Viv_Krishnan/status ... 7914099712
That’s the ammo venture of ours. It will be a very clear venture level partnership with CBC Global Ammunition with tech transfer as well.


Lets see how MoD and IA reacts to this.

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Postby Bart S » 15 Sep 2019 19:16

^ That discussion centered around the share holding of their company, which is slightly tangential and allows him to bypass the real question:
Did they copy/import the design from somewhere or did they put in genuine hard work into local R&D to come up with it in-house?

As with most Indian auto-component makers (which initially included Bharat Forge), I have absolutely no doubt that they can very efficiently and rapidly churn out extremely high quality stuff, at a level that OFB or PSUs can only dream of. So I am not trying to berate them, if they are simply manufacturing a design from elesewhere - in fact they would be much more preferable to the OFB types. But if they have genuinely developed this in-house without foreign assistance as they claim (no reason why they can't if they put their minds to it, as AR-15 is an open design) then that is BIG.

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Postby Thakur_B » 15 Sep 2019 20:36

^^ It's always possible to hire consultancy services for design capabilities. UAE hired the HK 416 design team to design a Caracal 816.

Barring cold hammer machine, gun smithing doesn't require any other specialised machinery which isn't uncommon in in auto sector. Barrels can be imported till they get substantial orders. Hell, in the initial phases of INSAS production, cold weather resistant barrels were imported.

As much as we may praise European and US small arms sector firms, barring a few government suppliers, they are no larger than MSMEs.

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Postby Gyan » 15 Sep 2019 22:49

I think high volume assault rifle barrels require costly machinery but low volume sniper rifle barrels require fraction of investment.

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Postby JayS » 16 Sep 2019 00:29

Bart S wrote:^ That discussion centered around the share holding of their company, which is slightly tangential and allows him to bypass the real question:
Did they copy/import the design from somewhere or did they put in genuine hard work into local R&D to come up with it in-house?

As with most Indian auto-component makers (which initially included Bharat Forge), I have absolutely no doubt that they can very efficiently and rapidly churn out extremely high quality stuff, at a level that OFB or PSUs can only dream of. So I am not trying to berate them, if they are simply manufacturing a design from elesewhere - in fact they would be much more preferable to the OFB types. But if they have genuinely developed this in-house without foreign assistance as they claim (no reason why they can't if they put their minds to it, as AR-15 is an open design) then that is BIG.


Saar, the man said the rifles are not part of any JV, no tech transfer from LMT, no license taken from LMT and the design is 100% Indian. Quite clearly he is claiming full Indian design. Of course some consultancy might have been taken as Thakur_B mentioned earlier. But it seems no screwdrivergiri. He also made clear reason for the name and why 100% Indian ownership. I dont think he can be more clear that that. Let's take it at face value and watch the progress.

Ammunition MFG is screwdrivergiri and he made it clear.

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Postby rohitvats » 16 Sep 2019 14:25

The guns by Indian company is a clear example that if allowed, the private sector can move very fast, and provide the required solution. This is what allowed a pretty nobody like UAE to come-up with Caracal company, field a weapon for Indian trials and even win the competition!

First, I don't take this 100% Indian product seriously. The word 'collaboration' has very wide ranging definition. People seem to miss his emphasis on not coming under ITAR, which stands for International Traffic in Arms Regulations .

And what is ITAR:

International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) is a United States regulatory regime to restrict and control the export of defense and military related technologies to safeguard U.S. national security and further U.S. foreign policy objectives


So, the brains behind this venture have understood the system and gamed it very well. I will not be a bit surprised if he's connected politically or has deep contacts in Indian establishment. He's been given proper advise on how to manage the system.

Not that it matters a bit to me but to think that a company developed skills in R&D in small arms and came-up with weapons in double quick time, is frankly, load of BS. And mind you, not any small arm, but a high-end SNIPER Rifle.

It would be good for once if the orders are given in bulk and an Indian company makes the money.

What remains to be seen is if they actually go-up the value chain and start genuine R&D in small arms. I would be very happy if all small arms requirements are met by few private Indian companies.

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Postby JayS » 16 Sep 2019 17:26

rohitvats wrote:
So, the brains behind this venture have understood the system and gamed it very well. I will not be a bit surprised if he's connected politically or has deep contacts in Indian establishment. He's been given proper advise on how to manage the system.

This is pretty much implicit for almost any company in our Defense sector that has come to a level where they have managed to even feature in MSM. Either you have people who guide through the system or you wait outside endlessly, even if you have world class product. Many companies are established with retired Officers/Scientists/IIT Profs as partners or by the retied officers/Scientists/IIT profs themselves. Many companies have retired Armed Forces Officers or Scientists on payroll who are called "White elephants" whose only job is to wade through the pathetic systems we have in MoD, R&D establishment and the Armed Forces. Many have IIT profs as rubber stamp to prove quality of their work, in case of non-HW related work packages. One reason why a lot of companies have to look outside India for bread-and-butter earning and maintain desi operations as side gig hoping one day it will click.

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Postby souravB » 05 Oct 2019 02:13

This is a considerable development in the small arms industry.
Armor piercing rounds capable of defeating STANAG Level III vehicular armor at a considerable distance with 5.56/7.62 rounds.

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Postby bhavani » 09 Oct 2019 00:03

Pakis are also soon starting the local Production of CZ-807 rifles. This rifle was initially designed by the Czech company based on our RFP. We then scrapped the RFP. We are buying tons of rifles here and there.

For Gods sake why are we buying guns from a Emirati company? Does it make any sense. We should have just licensed an entire HK or FN Family and masses produced them at OFB to bring down costs.

What is the point of 10000 amriki, 100000 Russian and a few from all others. Just makes our operational costs much more expensive

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Postby souravB » 09 Oct 2019 02:04

bhavani wrote:Pakis are also soon starting the local Production of CZ-807 rifles. This rifle was initially designed by the Czech company based on our RFP. We then scrapped the RFP. We are buying tons of rifles here and there.

For Gods sake why are we buying guns from a Emirati company? Does it make any sense. We should have just licensed an entire HK or FN Family and masses produced them at OFB to bring down costs.

What is the point of 10000 amriki, 100000 Russian and a few from all others. Just makes our operational costs much more expensive

1. I have been hearing TSP starting local production of CZ-807 for atleast 3 years now and that is that. There is no more movement in that area. CZ-807 wasn't based on India's RFP. They presented that rifle against our EOI though the rifle was vaporware/early prototype at that time but definitely not RFP.
2. As per grapevines CZ failed miserably in the Puki gun trials. Winner was SCAR-H and runner up AK103.
3. HK or FN do not sale us rifles directly due to our poor human rights record. :rotfl: The Emirati gun is designed by the same persons who designed HK416. Being the third iteration and optimised for Hot and Humid conditions, it should be a very good fit our armed forces. SIG716 is the second iteration of HK416.
4. Mass producing at OFB would most probably not bring the cost down. Just compare the unit price of INSAS-1B/1C with SIG716 which is a bigger caliber rifle and also produced in less numbers.

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Postby Thakur_B » 22 Oct 2019 14:39

As per Sjha, 6.8 mm caliber is being looked at with renewed interest.

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Postby rkhanna » 22 Oct 2019 14:58

" The Emirati gun is designed by the same persons who designed HK416. Being the third iteration and optimised for Hot and Humid conditions, it should be a very good fit our armed forces. SIG716 is the second iteration of HK416."

Correct. the Chief Engineer at Caracal not only Designed the HK416 and improvements at SIG but the his immediate team also comes from SIG. His responsibility also does not end at the Gun. He has designed the entire factory and manufacturing process to ensure no slippages in QC.

PS - FN has no embargo on selling to India. Our SF/SG/SPG and Some NSG have enough FN weaponary purchased in the last 2-3 years as well.

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Postby JayS » 22 Oct 2019 17:29

Thakur_B wrote:As per Sjha, 6.8 mm caliber is being looked at with renewed interest.


That was quick. Didn't take as much time as I expected after reading a news that US Army chose 6.8mm bullet for new guns just some time back.

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Postby Arun.prabhu » 22 Oct 2019 17:48

JayS wrote:
Thakur_B wrote:As per Sjha, 6.8 mm caliber is being looked at with renewed interest.


That was quick. Didn't take as much time as I expected after reading a news that US Army chose 6.8mm bullet for new guns just some time back.


The Americans haven't managed to build a replacement for their infantry weapon in nearly half a century despite multiple programs, extraordinary developments in propellant, material and other related technologies. And we want to follow them? Geez.

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Postby rohitvats » 23 Oct 2019 13:02

You're misreading SJha's tweet. From what I remember, he mentioned that it won't be long before we start looking at 6.8mm and not that we're already looking at it.

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Postby Gyan » 24 Oct 2019 14:26

Sig 776 in 7.62 caliber is shorter & lighter than 5.56 INSAS. So whats the great need for another new caliber like 6.8

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Postby souravB » 24 Oct 2019 14:55

^^
1. 6.8x43 is smaller and lighter than 7.62x51
2. soldiers are able to carry more ammunition in a similar weight
3. Bullet mass is similar to 7.62x39 but cartridge mass is little less, and due to optimizations it can hit further, accurate, and harder than 7.62x39
4. Being lighter than 7.62x51, recoil would be more manageable and rifles could also be made lighter for comparable recoil

For US Army, an intermediate cartridge solves the problem of enemy at around 700-800m as well as enemy close. Cherry on top is the promise of CT cartridge that is similarly sized as a 5.56NATO cartridge. What problem it solves for IA is yet to be presented.

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Re: Small Armaments & Infantry Equipment - News & Discussion

Postby rrao » 24 Oct 2019 15:09

ramana wrote:In the old Small Arms thread this firm was mentioned.

Machani is related to Machani Somappa.


Ramana sir, As you said SSS means stumpp,schule and somappa. Mr. Machani Somappa was a visionary and he was an industrialist based in Yemmiganur in Kurnool dist Andhra Pradesh. They used to operate various business houses under(MGB) MG brothers like yarn spinning mills, cotton, Transport services,Auto garages, etc... I studied along with their children in yemmiganur. Though very rich ,the family was quite down to earth and philanthropic in nature. I think later the group got disbanded and moved to Bangalore. SSS is noted for their spring making capabilities , hence familiarity with metallurgy and metals. It was very heartening to note that Machani group has come up with such weapons. Good luck to them!!!

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Re: Small Armaments & Infantry Equipment - News & Discussion

Postby Vips » 26 Oct 2019 03:52

Sig Sauer rifles to be made available to infantry by year-end: Army chief.

Army is working to empower its infantry forces and one of the world's best rifles, manufactured by firearm major Sig Sauer, will be made available to them by the end of this year, Army Chief Gen Bipin Rawat said on Friday.

In his closing remarks at the Field Marshal KM Cariappa memorial lecture here, he said a manufacturing unit for AK-203 rifles, an India-Russia joint venture, will start production and first set of rifles are expected to be available by the end of this year.

"To ensure there is no slippage in production, for the first time, the ordnance factory in Amethi is being headed by a serving Major General of the Army, who will be its CEO. We are confident the first set of rifles coming in dismantled state and assembled here will be available by the end of the year," Gen Rawat said.

"The infantry soldiers are ever-ready to go into battle on a short notice, and Army wants to empower them. And the empowerment happens by giving the soldier the right kind of warwaging material necessary for a soldier to accomplish its mission," Rawat said.

He said the Army is treading on that path to empower them to ensure they are well-equipped and well provided with operational capabilities."And, let me assure you, the best rifle available in the world, Sig Sauer from the US will be made available to the infantry by the end of this year," he said.
The DRDO is also moving forward on indigenously developed Man Portable Anti-tank Guided Missiles (MPATGM), the Army chief said.

Hundred soldiers, mainly from the infantry division will be sent to Young Soldiers Training Wing, established at the Officers Training Academy (OTA), Chennai and trained for six months. "We hope a large number of them would then join us as young officers," he said.

Gen Rawat said, as part of a new initiative, information regarding India's borders and boundaries with neighbouring countries would "soon be put in public domain".

"So, that soldiers and other people get the right perspective and know the history behind these borders. A soldier standing at the
frontline should know exactly why he is guarding it," he added.

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Re: Small Armaments & Infantry Equipment - News & Discussion

Postby Atmavik » 27 Oct 2019 19:48

rrao wrote:
ramana wrote:In the old Small Arms thread this firm was mentioned.

Machani is related to Machani Somappa.


Ramana sir, As you said SSS means stumpp,schule and somappa. Mr. Machani Somappa was a visionary and he was an industrialist based in Yemmiganur in Kurnool dist Andhra Pradesh. They used to operate various business houses under(MGB) MG brothers like yarn spinning mills, cotton, Transport services,Auto garages, etc... I studied along with their children in yemmiganur. Though very rich ,the family was quite down to earth and philanthropic in nature. I think later the group got disbanded and moved to Bangalore. SSS is noted for their spring making capabilities , hence familiarity with metallurgy and metals. It was very heartening to note that Machani group has come up with such weapons. Good luck to them!!!



CEO of SSS defence talking about the sniper rifles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7emN3gY9XE

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Re: Small Armaments & Infantry Equipment - News & Discussion

Postby Gyan » 28 Oct 2019 12:15

Sig 7.62x51 is a very accurate rifle. I wonder if Army will use it as DMR also? By equipping it with a scope.

Sig & HK have improved metallurgy of rifles to the extent that standard rifle can be used as LMG & DMR also.

It would be interesting to see if Army equips these rifles with bipods, scopes & other accessories to make more versatile use of this weapon

Also I wonder, if we getting or obtaining better ammunition tech from SIG for manufacturing rounds for this rifle?

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Re: Small Armaments & Infantry Equipment - News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 30 Oct 2019 03:41

In other words modernize the ammo manufacturing plant with OFB.

Thakur_B and or Gyan,
Where is the 40mm rifle grenade made?
Is it imported?

One more thing is the BPJ and kevlar helmets will be made available to the front line troops of all types: Army, RR, BSF, and CAPF


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