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Would not be surprised!!!
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Rsatchi wrote:Is it true of what’s being reported on India Today ticker tape: India to start production of AK203 by end of the year!!

Will produce: Yesterday / Today / Tomorrow has been going for too long
Will believe it when I see full scale production
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VinodTK let the AK203 become like a MRFA and slowly it will dawn on the powers that be that a domestic alternative is the best way go about it. I personally would not like to see any AK203 produced in India. The AK done by OFB Tricky is fine for our COIN forces. The infantry deserves a better rifle based on scientific facts including that a 5.56 is a better cartridge than a 7.62X39. The 7.62X51 can be used as a squad support weapon and as well as a special holding for Inf Bns manning the LoC where range is an issue.
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During the pandemic, there were many projects issued for production like the 14.5mm AMR rifle, etc. What's the status?
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Strange title but anyway..

Gujarat woman’s company to make Nato weapons in Rajkot
A Gujarati woman’s defence manufacturing unit is all set to manufacture weapons certified by Nato, in Rajkot. The company is in the process of setting up its manufacturing unit near Rajkot, and also aims to help modernize arms of the Indian forces.

Preiti Patel, CMD of Raspian Enterprises Pvt. ltd. (REPL) said, “We have got a licence to manufacture various calibre small arms weapon systems and are investing more than Rs 50 crore to set up the plant.

We will manufacture pistols and assault rifles. We have also got a licence to manufacture Nato-adopted products, so when our plant is operational by the end of 2023, we will manufacture a series of weapons for our armed forces. ”

She added that the company has an R&D and innovation cell and has indigenously designed products to upgrade and modernize existing arms and to increase operational efficiency of new weapon systems to suit Indian requirements.
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It looks like the ARDE designed SiG 551 series inspired CQB carbine has a bigger SiG 751 SAPR inspired brother in 7.62x51 on top right corner.

It appears that DRDO has chosen AWIL and Kalyani to develop these weapons like ATAGS model.
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Indian private firm beats 8-yr Chinese monopoly, supplies ammunition to Nepalese Army
Breaking an 8-year-old Chinese monopoly in Nepal, an Indian private company has supplied 2 million of the 5.56x45mm rounds for the Nepalese army’s assault rifles under a government-to-government contract route, ThePrint has learnt.

Sources in the defence and security establishment said that Bengaluru-based SSS Defence won the contract on quality beating heavy bidding by the Chinese.

While the Nepalese Army used to import ammunition from India, they had stopped doing so after it replaced the Indian-made INSAS rifles with the Korean and American supplied M4s, M16s and other NATO rifles.

Following a deadly encounter with Maoists in 2005 in which 43 Nepalese soldiers were killed, its spokesman called the rifle substandard and claimed that the operation would have been more efficient had they got better weapons.

Indian and Nepalese Army share a long history and there are about 35,000 Nepali Gurkhas serving in the Indian Army while there are over 1.3 lakh lakh veterans back in the Himalayan Kingdom who continue to draw full pension from India for their military service.

Estimates suggest that salaries and pensions of Nepalese Gurkhas in the Indian Army alone totals more than the annual budget of the Himalayan Kingdom’s Army budget.

The contract and its significance
Talking about the ammunition contract, sources said that the delivery is ongoing and will be completed by the beginning of next year.

The ammunition is being manufactured by the SSS Defence at its factory in Andhra Pradesh.

The company has a joint venture for production of ammunition in India with Brazilian firm CBC Defense, the world’s second largest producer of military ammunition.

CBC has been a supplier to the Indian armed forces and has a contract going on for small caliber supplies to the Indian Army as well.

Explaining the significance of the Nepealse contract, sources said that in the last eight years the Army there had not bought a single Indian weapon system or ammunition.

“The Nepalese Army had written to us asking for bids by our firms. Bids were also sought from the Chinese. The Nepalese Army undertook its own evaluation process and selected SSS Defence. The contract for the same was government to government,” a source said.

Sources said that the contract is yet another example of India’s growing defence industry and the export potential for Indian systems.

India’s defence exports
India is looking at its highest-ever defence exports this fiscal with sales touching Rs 8,000 crore in the first six months.

India’s defence exports had touched a record Rs 13,000 crore in the 2021-2022 fiscal, which was nearly eight times of what it was in 2014.

In 2020, the Narendra Modi government had set a target of Rs 35,000 crore ($5 billion) export in aerospace, and defence goods and services by 2025. This was part of the planned turnover of Rs 1.75 lakh crore ($ 25 billion) in defence manufacturing by 2025 that the government is aiming to achieve.

Incidentally, in October last year, SSS Defence had defeated Israeli firm Fab Defense, also known as Zahal, to bag a contract to upgrade a limited number of Kalashnikov rifles with a unit of the Indian Special Forces.

The company is the first Indian company to come up with a range of upgrade kits for AK47s and Draganov marksman rifles in use with the Army and a range of self-designed and manufactured small arms including carbines and snipers.
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Thakur_B wrote:Image

It looks like the ARDE designed SiG 551 series inspired CQB carbine has a bigger SiG 751 SAPR inspired brother in 7.62x51 on top right corner.

It appears that DRDO has chosen AWIL and Kalyani to develop these weapons like ATAGS model.
The second from top in the left column is chambered in 6.8x43 mm. So it is 3 ammunition types in the same design. The design could very well be adopted for 7.62x39 as well.
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Garuds get new camouflage


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And so do Marcos in the form of Black Multicam. Marcos also have upgraded their overall gear making the abysmal state of Para SF gear even more stark in comparison.

Also Marcos got brand new X95s in tan colour.
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Asmi machine pistol looks far more refined now.

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Officer of Chilean military holding an SMG prototype made by MKU.

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Indra multicaliber rifle by Astr Defence

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Atal Pistol by Astr defence. It will also be available in civilian calibres, so they aren't completely doomed.
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AKM and Dragunov upgrade kits by SSS Defence, bith of which have been adopted.

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4x sight by India Optel which has also been adopted in limited numbers for SiG716i.
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Thakur What is the net improvement of both the upgrades to the Dragonov and AK-47?
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Will the Ak47 upgrade kit also be compatible with the Trichi Assault Rifle?
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ramana wrote:Thakur What is the net improvement of both the upgrades to the Dragonov and AK-47?
From the poster, looks mostly modernised furniture and mounts. Might save a kilo or two while increasing service life of older models with worn out furniture and capable of mounting modern sights.
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hnair wrote:
ramana wrote:Thakur What is the net improvement of both the upgrades to the Dragonov and AK-47?
From the poster, looks mostly modernised furniture and mounts. Might save a kilo or two while increasing service life of older models with worn out furniture and capable of mounting modern sights.
Doesn't save any weight, rather adds a significant amount of weight. Allows to mount optics and accessories. That's it.
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How much improvement in accuracy does it give? Looks not much except increase uasbility.
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ramana wrote:How much improvement in accuracy does it give? Looks not much except increase uasbility.
Not sure about the accuracy aspect Ramana saar but ergonomics and usability increase also increase lethality perhaps.
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Pratyush wrote:Will the Ak47 upgrade kit also be compatible with the Trichi Assault Rifle?
If FAB defence kit can fit then so would SSS defence kit.

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I have seen images of Trichy Assault rifle with rails on top dust cover, handguard and collapsible stock, but not all of them together except this particular instance where the FAB kit is displayed.
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Thanks
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Thanks for all the replies. Very educational.
These upgrades improve usability.
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Rsatchi, Yes AK 203 will start rolling out by end of the year.
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Thakur_B wrote: Doesn't save any weight, rather adds a significant amount of weight. Allows to mount optics and accessories. That's it.
Oh, did not know this adds extra weight. Is this specific to this offering? Because usually polymer and fiber based furniture shaves off some grams because it allows hollowed out (but reinforced) sections for butt unlike wood.
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It will surely add weight because the picatinny rails are made of steel. The firing mechanism is not changed and hence it will not improve any accuracy but addition of scope will help in long range accuracy. With iron sights an AK is barely effective beyond 75 meters, although the 7.62/39 is effective upto 200 ms or more depending on wind, moisture, altitude etc. Also, a flexible butt stock will also help in accuracy since it will fit every human frame accurately and hence a more rigid placement of the gun.
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So Thakur_B the MARCOS is going the way of the TAVOR and ergo 5.56X45.
The Army SF use the same.
The Garud's are also moving to 5.56X45 I believe.

So why the need for 7.62X39 for RR?
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Asmi prototypes by Lokesh Machine Tools. They along with AWEIL had been shortlisted in bid to manufacture ASMI
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Another anti drone system maker in India.
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ks_sachin wrote:So Thakur_B the MARCOS is going the way of the TAVOR and ergo 5.56X45.
The Army SF use the same.
The Garud's are also moving to 5.56X45 I believe.

So why the need for 7.62X39 for RR?
My two paise
All (most) SF acivities are likley to be in short range wherein 5.56 mm is sufficient
General experience is that the 5.56 mm is not suitable for CI operations hence RR should go for 7.62 mm
We wait for the comments form our experts
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One of the you tube channels is reporting that Indian army is procuring 3400 sets of night vision sights for Carl Gustav IIIs.

But i am not able to find any other sources for the news.
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https://indianarmy.nic.in/writereaddata ... 112022.pdf

RFI for 5000 machine pistols. Let's see if Asmi gets through or imported maal.
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JVPC finally in the hands of SPG. Poor placement of sling appears to be partly blocking ejection port.

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Doesnt' look like SPG. Rahul Gandhi doesn't have SPG cover anymore.
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Per Wiki, only SPG uses P90 in India, basis that this would be SPG using JVPC.
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Bala Vignesh wrote:Per Wiki, only SPG uses P90 in India, basis that this would be SPG using JVPC.

No P90 in this pic. Only JVPC and micro Tavor
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ernest wrote: No P90 in this pic. Only JVPC and micro Tavor
Damn!! I misidentified the other weapon!! My bad!!!
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ernest wrote:
Bala Vignesh wrote:Per Wiki, only SPG uses P90 in India, basis that this would be SPG using JVPC.

No P90 in this pic. Only JVPC and micro Tavor
Nice to see JVPC in the hands of the operators. First time that I can recall seeing the JVPC in a user's hand.
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From grainy images it looks like an anti drone gun. The butt has marking of Bharat Electronics Limited.
Update: This is a laser dazzler system made by BEL.

https://twitter.com/Nation_Lover_/statu ... 7563138048
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https://twitter.com/Spadex716i/status/1 ... 7620188160

Information on the new helmets being sought by IA.
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Mini Drones brought down by infantry rifles

Good shooting by the ladies.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/amritsar/2-bsf-women-constables-shoot-down-big-drone-near-pak-border/articleshow/95871276.cms
In a hat-trick of firsts for the Border Security Force (BSF) in the Punjab frontier on Monday night, two women constables shot down a Pakistan drone, two enemy drones were brought down in a single night, and an over 7-foot-wide drone weighing 19kg and carrying 6.5 kg heroin was shot down.

BSF Inspector General (IG), Punjab Frontier, Asif Jalal, said two women constables Preeti and Bhagyashree deployed at the Border out Post (BoP) Dariya Mansoor, which falls under 73rd Battalion of BSF in Amritsar district, heard the buzzing sound of drone on November 28 and opened fire on it with their Insas rifles. “A bullet hit one wing of the Pakistan drone and it came down about 50 metres from the border fence,” he said.
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