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https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Ti ... 946015.ece

NSG orders 100 units of TriCa 7.62x39 mm carbine from OFB.
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ARDE 5.56x45 mm CQB carbine. Looks good.
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Pakistan Ordnance factory has presented a prototype of G3 based rifle in 7.62x51 that accepts AR10 magazines called BW20.



Honestly, I think it is a good strategy by POF. The core of the rifle is G3 roller delayed blowback which they have been making for 60 odd years. G3 was fairly modular rifle to begin with and in the long run proved to be superior to Fn FAL in terms of upgrade potential.

They intend to make 7.62x39 and 5.56x45 versions as well.

Ofcourse this is nothing new, POF has displayed G3 upgrades and AR10 rifles for several years but broke Pak army is not in a position to upgrade their rifles. Now they are looking for a Line of Credit from Czech republic to buy firearms, which given their economic state is unlikely to happen anytime soon.
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ARDE 5.56x45 mm CQB carbine. Looks good.
Thakur_B that looks promising. Any more details. Does it address some of the design shortcomings of the INSAS.
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JVPC has found its way to Indian Coast Guard.

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Various optics made by India Optel Ltd., the PSU spun off from OFB.

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ks_sachin wrote:
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ARDE 5.56x45 mm CQB carbine. Looks good.
Thakur_B that looks promising. Any more details. Does it address some of the design shortcomings of the INSAS.
Some DNA from Insas is still present, like the gas tube release behind upper hand guard instead of a fixed gas tube mechanism like Sig 550 series or the new AK12/15/19 series. This means the upper hand guard will have to be removed for cleaning the gas tube. Good luck retaining zero on upper hand guard after cleaning. Better solution would have been fixed gas tube with removable gas regulator plug. You would have had adjustable gas for suppression and adverse conditions and a better experience overall.
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Thakur_B wrote:
ks_sachin wrote:
Thakur_B that looks promising. Any more details. Does it address some of the design shortcomings of the INSAS.
Some DNA from Insas is still present, like the gas tube release behind upper hand guard instead of a fixed gas tube mechanism like Sig 550 series or the new AK12/15/19 series. This means the upper hand guard will have to be removed for cleaning the gas tube. Good luck retaining zero on upper hand guard after cleaning. Better solution would have been fixed gas tube with removable gas regulator plug. You would have had adjustable gas for suppression and adverse conditions and a better experience overall.
Do they not learn!!!!!
No wonder there is no confidence in OFB.
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https://indianexpress.com/article/citie ... s-7643704/

Rashtriya Raksha University meet: Stakeholders push for developing small arms indigenously
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ks_sachin wrote:
Thakur_B wrote:
Some DNA from Insas is still present, like the gas tube release behind upper hand guard instead of a fixed gas tube mechanism like Sig 550 series or the new AK12/15/19 series. This means the upper hand guard will have to be removed for cleaning the gas tube. Good luck retaining zero on upper hand guard after cleaning. Better solution would have been fixed gas tube with removable gas regulator plug. You would have had adjustable gas for suppression and adverse conditions and a better experience overall.
Do they not learn!!!!!
No wonder there is no confidence in OFB.
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They are going to follow JVPC model with private sector manufacturing.
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https://www.timesnownews.com/india/arti ... ies/843741

Image Intensifiers averaging approx ₹4.74 lacs each to be procured for SiGs.
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Thakur_B wrote:
ks_sachin wrote: Do they not learn!!!!!
No wonder there is no confidence in OFB.
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They are going to follow JVPC model with private sector manufacturing.

Sirji but what about design refinements?

The upper hand guard issue has been there since day dot but where is there the effort to fix these.
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Product line from Troop Comforts Ltd. (former OFB factories).
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ARDE 5.56x45 CQB Carbine. Fit and finish of prototype looks good. Also interesting muzzle brake.
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Vicky wrote:More clarity on the new ACU style Disruptive Pattern camo. To be rolled out starting this month.

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Source: https://theprint.in/defence/army-to-int ... rt/792476/
AdityaM wrote:similar to LTTE pattern

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New Army combat pattern uniform (in pic 1) is distinctively different from the erstwhile LTTE (pic 2). Misleading information with malicious intent is being spread on social media wherein filters have been used on the new Army pattern to distort its appearance: Govt Sources
https://mobile.twitter.com/ANI/status/1 ... 9799736320

The actual new uniform is this.

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Also recently displayed by TCL (former OFB factory)
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https://www.news18.com/amp/news/india/1 ... 36313.html
15 Camouflage Patterns, 4 Designs, 8 Fabrics: How the Army Zeroed in on Its Soon-to-be-Unveiled Combat Uniform
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Para SF with new standard camouflage on Army day.

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New Camo has same old colours, but because of smaller patches, looks kind of washed out.

From the various pictures available, the new camouflage looks remarkably different in different lighting conditions. In white light, olive green and Greys pop up, in daylight / yellow light, the Browns pop up. Looks good for both arid and forest environment.
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Thakur_B wrote: Some DNA from Insas is still present, like the gas tube release behind upper hand guard instead of a fixed gas tube mechanism like Sig 550 series or the new AK12/15/19 series. This means the upper hand guard will have to be removed for cleaning the gas tube. Good luck retaining zero on upper hand guard after cleaning. Better solution would have been fixed gas tube with removable gas regulator plug. You would have had adjustable gas for suppression and adverse conditions and a better experience overall.
it is CQB weapon, CQB translate into less than 30 meters on average between two combatants, at this range JVPC pumping in 7.69mm lead at 800 rounds per minutes wins hand down, as for zero post maintenance still it is 5 rounds per cycle.
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Thakur_B wrote:Para SF with new standard camouflage on Army day.
This camouflage uniform totally sucks. I can see them standing right there..... All five of them
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Good one
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Clearer picture of uniform. Will be worn over TShirt. Not sure if gloves will also be standardised.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tDlqBHZNQ ... =emb_title


Lt. Gen. Syed Ata Hasnain (retd.) Talks about new combat uniform.
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I think in CQB Carbine, only back lower half of receiver will swing open. Butt is also attached to lower receiver.

The front portion of lower receiver and whole top receiver is single piece. Bolt & gas tube will slide out from backside when lower half of receiver is opened.

Something like SCAR or SIG 550 series. Hence sights, top receiver & barrel are rigidity attached unlike INSAS or AK. JVPC also is somewhat similar.
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https://twitter.com/TonboImaging/status ... 75427?s=20 ---> Breaking our silence of these months, here's a sneak peek of #whatsnew and upcoming this year. Our Binocular Night Vision Goggles (BNVD) is now equipped with fused TI feed and has AR enabled with TWS. And there's more...stay tuned! #AtmaNirbharBharat #MakeInIndia.

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Actually, the new camo seems quite effective. From various pix I saw in the media showing groups of soldiers wearing the new camo uniforms, its quite hard to pick out contours of individuals - much better than previous camos. Sans contrasting mono colour berets, but wearing camo hats or combat helmets instead and some face paint, they'd be very hard to pick out. Like a herd of zebras.
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Russia delivers all the contracted 70,000 AK-203 to India.

Russia has delivered to India all the contracted 70,000 AK-203 Kalashnikov assault rifles as envisaged under a contract signed late last summer between India and Kalashnikov.

The entire delivery was made earlier this week. A source explained, "delivery was fast tracked," pointing to the short time gap between the signing of the contract and its fructification.

The Indian Ministry of Defence intends to procure 670,000 AK-203 assault rifles, and the 70,000 delivered are part of that total.

The rest of the 600,000 will be manufactured in India's Amethi under a joint venture, the contract for which was signed on December 6, 2021.

The day saw the first India-Russia 2+2 meeting at the level of foreign and defence ministers, as well as Russian President Putin's visit to the annual summit in Delhi.
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So 70k Ak-203 and around 140k Sigs have come in the last couple of years for a total ~2 lakh rifles.

Are these all heading to Northern Command or will they be spread out a little.. I'm sure the CI Operators in North East would also relish a chance to upgrade from INSAS
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AkshaySG wrote:So 70k Ak-203 and around 140k Sigs have come in the last couple of years for a total ~2 lakh rifles.

Are these all heading to Northern Command or will they be spread out a little.. I'm sure the CI Operators in North East would also relish a chance to upgrade from INSAS
The first batch is likely to go to IAF
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VinodTK wrote:
AkshaySG wrote:So 70k Ak-203 and around 140k Sigs have come in the last couple of years for a total ~2 lakh rifles.

Are these all heading to Northern Command or will they be spread out a little.. I'm sure the CI Operators in North East would also relish a chance to upgrade from INSAS
The first batch is likely to go to IAF
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That has been quoted in a few places yes but as per previous reports IAF's order was for Ak-103 not 203 ..Not sure what changed here

https://www.aninews.in/news/national/ge ... 828142804/

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/i ... ces%20said

Wonder what IAF's plans are for these rifles , In addition to these 70k there seem to be a demand for another 140k which is far and above its current manpower even considering all Garud/Base Security etc
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AkshaySG wrote:So 70k Ak-203 and around 140k Sigs have come in the last couple of years for a total ~2 lakh rifles.
70K Sigs have been acquired. The follow on option for 70K additional rifles has not been finalized as yet as price negotiations have been "ongoing" for the past one year. It will take one year after conclusion of contract for the deliveries to be completed.
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AkshaySG wrote:So 70k Ak-203 and around 140k Sigs have come in the last couple of years for a total ~2 lakh rifles.

Are these all heading to Northern Command or will they be spread out a little.. I'm sure the CI Operators in North East would also relish a chance to upgrade from INSAS
Spotted a few sigs in the hands of Assam Rifles in Manipur
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ticky wrote:
AkshaySG wrote:So 70k Ak-203 and around 140k Sigs have come in the last couple of years for a total ~2 lakh rifles.

Are these all heading to Northern Command or will they be spread out a little.. I'm sure the CI Operators in North East would also relish a chance to upgrade from INSAS
Spotted a few sigs in the hands of Assam Rifles in Manipur
Assam Rifles or Assam. AR is equipped with AK.
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ks_sachin wrote:
ticky wrote: Spotted a few sigs in the hands of Assam Rifles in Manipur
Assam Rifles or Assam. AR is equipped with AK.
Assam Rifles not Assam Regt.
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ticky wrote:
ks_sachin wrote: Assam Rifles or Assam. AR is equipped with AK.
Assam Rifles not Assam Regt.
Thanks. Surprised as I thought and have seen AR with AKs.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/alpha_defens ... 4586637316

CRPF becomes the first customer for OFB R2 7.62x51 Assault Rifle.

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Now it has a pronged muzzle device.

Also, the second order for SiG716 may never materialise.
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Why does CRPF need 7.62x51 rifle? I'd assume that 7.62x39 would be pretty adequate for internal security and COIN needs ...
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Has any Indian force expressed any desire to use large calibre bullets adapted for small arms.

Bullets such as . 458 socom, or .50 bewolf,?
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I hope BSF picks these rifles.
Srin Why not? They used to have SLR.
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Thakur Second tranche already ordered. About 144K total.
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Not yet Ramana ji, approval is pending. Posted few pages back.
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Did the Ordinance Factory Tiruchirapalli make a 7.62 X 51mm rifle? It would be interesting to find if they did and if there was a comparative trial of the TAR and OFB riles.
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