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The Indian defence ministry has approved the purchase of more long-range anti-submarine warfare P8-I aircraft for its navy which is facing strong competition from China in the Indian Ocean.
The Indian defence ministry has approved the purchase of more long-range anti-submarine warfare P8-I aircraft for its navy which is facing strong competition from China in the Indian Ocean.
Interesting. The P-8 production will probably continue through till 2025 so an additional top up order is probably possible.Cybaru wrote:Exact number missing but live fist report calling out 6 vs 10 from before.
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The Indian defence ministry has approved the purchase of more long-range anti-submarine warfare P8-I aircraft for its navy which is facing strong competition from China in the Indian Ocean.
I wish we can bot all my response to Philip so every time he brings up il-38 or Tu-22m3 a brbot will automatically reply to him.Philip wrote:Only 6? 10 was what was wanted, but I guess current fiscal situ demands fewer.Along with the 5 upgraded IL-38s, it will give us 20+.There are several mothballed new IL-38s tha are available at low cost I think.A few more would help for reserves, etc.These aircraft can serve until 2030.
We should also plan right now ASW variants of the C-295s from the OEM which could arrive within a few years time.Having more numbers of ASW LRMP/ MRP aircraft would help immensely.
So how does USA has info for Chinese subs? Guess not limited budget intel ships. Just trying to know a few things.Vips wrote:No more IL-38s. The limited budget should not be a reason to buy vintage junk.
USAF does not operate Tritons. Those are older block Global Hawks. If it were very easy to convert them into Tritons the USN would have already scooped them up. The Triton is based on the Global Hawk but internally it is a completely different aircraft. It is quite possible that the modifications would end up costing nearly as much as a new aircraft once one factors in the residual airframe life.Cybaru wrote:
- UAVs will provide long term ASuW oversight on areas of HOT interest especially if India does manage to snag USAF tritons - retooled like BAMS that are retiring or even the sea guardian drones. Hopefully they add 10-20 of these and if some can be based out of Lakshadweep/Seychelles/Mauritius/Madagascar it will provide almost real time coverage for anti-piracy efforts.
The use case of operating more Russian aircraft.Cybaru wrote:There is no need for another type! What use case is missing?
Once again Il-38 cannot carry Brahmos the only official source was image which was later confirmed to be just PR (it also showed Su-24? and Mig-29 carrying them)only platform currently certified to carry it is Su-30mki with structural modifications. Il-38 cannot even carry air launch Klub missiles so Brahmos-M is out of question as well.The IL-38s have been tasked to carry BMos ( from earlier reports) which the P-8Is cannot ( only inferior Harpoons) , esp. after the Bears were retired.
Can you post pictures of the IL-38's carrying the Brahmos? Or schematics of the intended carriage? You are unlikely to pack multiple Brahmos missiles on the aircraft. The M variant of the missile hasn't even test flown yet and you are looking at a 12-15 year horizon through development, operational testing and integration on the primary platforms (and building up stock). At the end of the day one must logically think through what the intended purpose of an MPA fleet is during high intensity combat operations at range or closer to the shores. The primary responsibility of the crafts, the crews and the networks that link them is to go out and hunt submarines. That is the hardest mission and that is also, incidentally, that chews most of the fleet and training times, and requires the most number of orbits during actual conflict.Philip wrote:The IL-38s have been tasked to carry BMos ( from earlier reports) which the P-8Is cannot ( only inferior Harpoons) ,
Philip wrote:BMos- NG is on the anvil which will be carried by several platforms but not the P-8.
Can you point me to a statement from any official that claims the Brahmos NG will be operational on the IL-38 within the next decade? Also, waiting for pictures of the IL-38's carrying the Brahmos since they have "been tasked" with carrying the weapon. If the Brahmos-NG is going to be highly indigenous with key components being locally designed, and sourced..why will Russia have a veto authority over which platforms it is integrated on? Has Russia even committed to buying the said weapon?Philip wrote:BMos- NG will be operational in the next decade.Statements by the head of yhe JV indicate faster progress and induction than a decade Being a JV with Russia it is quite unlikely that the Russians will allow it ( being developed by both OEMs) on a US platform...
Philip wrote:Please study developments accurately.Out of 50+ IL-38s 30 are being extensively upgraded for the RuN which has found it an excellent ASW platform.They will all be upgraded by 2025. The P-8 Is are excellent ASW LMRP birds but each costs between $ 250M to $300M per unit.Contrast that with just $ 30M to $50M max.for an IL-38 and you will see how cost effective a fed extra IL-38s to boost the number in service will be.Moreover, even the new KH-59 ASM recently launched from the weapons bay of an SU-57 with a range of over 200+ km will be carried by Ru aircraft. BMos- NG will definitely be carried by our ILs once inducted.
..Airbus claiming an endurance of over eleven hours and a maximum range of 3040nm (5,630km). The company has installed six under-wing hard points on the C-é95 Persuader which make it a multi-mission aircraft capable of not only maritime patrol, but also ASW and anti-surface warfare (ASuW). The hard points can support torpedoes, air-to-surface missiles, mines and depth charges.
Yes that’s what I said Russian navy was not happy with il-38 and uran and choose not to equip it.Karan M wrote:The article states:
Indian Il-38SDs can fire the Kh-35, whereas the Russian navy decided not to equip its aircraft with anti-ship missiles.