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That level of wiseness is something we haven't seen the Biden administration display despite all the years ...
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India to US: Ease defence sale norms, transfer of technology
https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... s-8647387/
06 June 2023
This initiative, the US statement said, aims to change the paradigm for cooperation between US and Indian defence sectors, including a set of specific proposals that could provide India access to cutting-edge technologies and support India’s defence modernisation plans.
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‘The India US Relationship Has Been Moving Forward For Over Two Decades’
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A Big Step Forward in U.S.-India Defense Ties
https://www.usip.org/publications/2023/ ... fense-ties
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https://twitter.com/BharatShaktiBSI/sta ... 26624?s=20 ---> On top of the agenda during PM Narendra Modi's visit to the US, will be the deal for the purchase of MQ-9 Predator UAVs and the manufacture in India by GE of F414 engines. Catch Brigadier SK Chatterji (retd) https://twitter.com/skchatts talk to Air Commodore SP Singh (retd).

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Let us be happy that USA will let us "make" / assemble F 414 jet engines in India

Let us stop ALL discussions on TOT. No sensible jet engine manufacturer will ever give TOT and definitely not for critical items in hot section nor for turbine (single crystal nickel) blades.

I think there should be a seperate company, maybe in joint private/public sector, to make these engines. Ths new entity may absorb and learn the new technologies at least in production engineering. HAL may learn nothing !!!
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TOT is stilll know how only. They might even give that. But never the "know why".
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https://twitter.com/manupubby/status/16 ... 33953?s=20 ---> Fighter jet engine tech transfer deal is better than 2012 offer by US.

80% ToT vs 58 % on offer before. Under US $1 billion contract, HAL to absorb tech, start manufacturing within 3 years.

Details here: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 226291.cms

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Maitya, If you take the axiom what is allowed is what you already can make, one can make a list of things that India has evolved in the last ten years!
The above sidebar ideally should have three columns
2012 2023 TBD
And list the things.

The 2012 will give the 58% list and the 2023 will give the delta 22%. The remainder is TBD.
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GE Aerospace signs MOU with Hindustan Aeronautics Limited to produce fighter jet engines for Indian Air Force
https://www.geaerospace.com/press-relea ... ce-fighter
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Drones' deal with the US: India negotiates for higher local parts in MQ-9Bs
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24 June 2023
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India Eyes Historic Local Content In MQ-9B Drone Deal
https://www.livefistdefence.com/india-e ... rone-deal/
29 June 2023
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Have Modi-Biden Transformed India-US Relations Or Is That Hype and Exaggeration?

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^^^ The above video interview is a new low for Ashley Tellis. Watch the whole interview, but this part to me was interesting.

At 18:47 in the video, Karan Thapar asks the following question to Ashley Tellis;

Q. Now these deals both the Predator deal and the GE engine data happening at a time when there are serious question marks about Russia's ability to supply weapons and arms to India. Infact the S-400 is already delayed, we don't know how badly delayed, but delayed we know it is. Do you see India buying more of its high-end weaponry from America rather than Russia?

A. Well I think India is going to accelerate its efforts at diversifying uh procurement especially of Advanced Technologies but I'm not persuaded that the United States will be the perfect one for one replacement uh of Russian origin equipment and the reason for that is twofold;

* One, American Equipment is generally much costlier then it's Russian counterparts and for a country like India which has constrained defense budgets, the unit cost of equipment is an important consideration.

* Second is American Technology is often over sophisticated. I mean it is designed for the United States which is you know a capital intensive military and so the capabilities in American Technology are exquisite and those capabilities are often not what India needs. So my expectation is that as India diversifies, of course the United States will continue to be a an important source of supply. But India would look really to intermediate suppliers like France, like Israel, like the UK, like Germany rather than the United States as its for first Port of Call and that is really defined by the circumstances that India finds itself in and that should not be a problem for us. I mean if India is diversifying by reaching out to other Western Partners, you know that is in American interests.


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I don't know which part of that answer to highlight, because hypocrisy screams out in every word above.

After spending well over a decade (and more) trying to engage/coerce/force India to purchase an American fighter, comes the realization that India will likely go to other sources. Will then rationalize it by stating that American weaponry is too expensive for India, too sophisticated for India's needs and it is OK if India purchases weaponry from "other" Western nations. That was not his argument all these years.
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He gets paid to look out for US interests. What is the issue?
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RoyG wrote:He gets paid to look out for US interests. What is the issue?
It is known that he looks out for US interests.

Issue is the hypocrisy. His viewpoint is largely reflective of the US Govt.

When they were peddling the F-15, F-16 and F-18SH....did they not realize that their equipment was;

a) Too expensive for India to purchase
b) Too sophisticated for India to operate

Or is this something that they just realized, after getting rejected in the MMRCA 1.0 contest, the SE fighter contest, possibly the MRCBF contest and perhaps (in the future) in the MRFA contest as well.

Or is Tellis talking through his hat? Those arguments that he puts forth are quite frankly hilarious. Purchasing the F-16 (and F-18) in lieu of the Rafale, would more or less be around the same.

This is the same India that purchased and operates the C-17, C-130, AH-64, CH-47, P-8I, etc. Were those purchase exorbitantly expensive and too sophisticated for India to operate? His ego is hurt and these are the excuses he is providing. This is the reality that Ashley or no one else in the US Govt will readily admit to....

https://twitter.com/SandeepUnnithan/sta ... 32609?s=20 ---> A wise MoD bureaucrat in South Block over a decade ago: “We will never buy American fighter jets… helicopters, transport planes, yes, but fighters, never.” Why not?

“Because they will never let you fight the wars you want to.”
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Rakesh wrote:Have Modi-Biden Transformed India-US Relations Or Is That Hype and Exaggeration?
You're posting "interview" by Karan Thapar, the Grima Wormtongue of Indian Leftist media.
Who says we don't allow free speech, when that assh*le gets to spout his crap non-stop?
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Sanman,

Better you have an enemy you know than don’t. Useful idiot at times, otherwise he keeps the woke newcomers from rising up in the ranks. They are a bigger headache than him.
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Rakesh wrote:...

https://twitter.com/SandeepUnnithan/sta ... 32609?s=20 ---> A wise MoD bureaucrat in South Block over a decade ago: “We will never buy American fighter jets… helicopters, transport planes, yes, but fighters, never.” Why not?

“Because they will never let you fight the wars you want to.”
But we will still select an American engine for our homegrown fighters... :)
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Manish_P wrote:But we will still select an American engine for our homegrown fighters... :)
Can our minds comprehend the sophistication and complexity? :mrgreen:
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RoyG wrote:Sanman,

Better you have an enemy you know than don’t. Useful idiot at times, otherwise he keeps the woke newcomers from rising up in the ranks. They are a bigger headache than him.

He doesn't keep any Woke people from rising. Muslim appeasement will keep Woke people from rising. Actually, Woke people will still show up anyway, because it's their nature to mouth off as much as possible. But these opposing fringes will always be at loggerheads with each other.
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https://twitter.com/Pushan3012/status/1 ... 53376?s=20 ---> Arjit Roshan & I write for @EconomicTimes!

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Rakesh wrote: https://twitter.com/Pushan3012/status/1 ... 53376?s=20 ---> Arjit Roshan & I write for @EconomicTimes!
You co-authored the article? Why were pics of Marvel & Transformers characters used for a real-world report? It takes away from the article and makes it look like non-serious fluff.
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No he quoted the tweet. All this is from a couple of chaps in the US IBC. Right until the end, the authors never say there is work going on to create exemptions in itar or capability development assistance in anything bigger than startups who in the Indian context are smaller players for now.
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Thank You Prasad :lol:

It is easy to get confused, as that is how the author of the tweet wrote it.

@ sanman: When I post tweets, I post the link of the tweet and then put in what the tweet states and include any pictures (if present). The Transformers is a crude analogy. I agree.
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The western powers will gang up eventually to not let India fight where she wants to fight. So domestic fighter with phoren engines is the way to go for now. There will come a time when engines are also domestic. At that point, based on geopolitical climate, we might go from indian fighter+indian engine to phoren fighter with indian engines/subsystems used by Indian military!! Not very different from su30-MKI+indian engines
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Partnerships Matter: That City on the Hill; A Ship Adrift; A Lighthouse in the Tempest
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https://twitter.com/sreemoytalukdar/sta ... 07616?s=20 ---> This Ashley Tellis interview by @prashantktm is a good one. It reveals the prejudices and delusions of a man whose grip on the realities that drive India and US is slipping. If I'm allowed to oversimplify, Tellis reckons that India must do the heavy lifting in this relationship (and not ask for privileges) because India needs the US more than the US needs India. He also believes that India is getting a "free pass" owing to China, thereby suggesting that Americans are the upholders of a moral order that India must aspire to attain. Tragic, and in equal parts amusing.

The US bet on India is good, within limits: Ashley J Tellis
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 92733.html
09 July 2023
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A Paradigm Shift in Indo-US Defence Cooperation
https://capsindia.org/a-paradigm-shift- ... operation/
07 July 2023

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Finding a Goldilocks Moment for India in the U.S.-China Subsea Cables Race
https://thediplomat.com/2023/07/finding ... bles-race/
26 July 2023
India’s capacity to produce fiber cables, paired with U.S. capability to lay them on the seabed, presents a prime opportunity for New Delhi.
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Rakesh wrote: 10 Jul 2023 22:00 https://twitter.com/sreemoytalukdar/sta ... 07616?s=20 ---> This Ashley Tellis interview by @prashantktm is a good one. It reveals the prejudices and delusions of a man whose grip on the realities that drive India and US is slipping. If I'm allowed to oversimplify, Tellis reckons that India must do the heavy lifting in this relationship (and not ask for privileges) because India needs the US more than the US needs India. He also believes that India is getting a "free pass" owing to China, thereby suggesting that Americans are the upholders of a moral order that India must aspire to attain. Tragic, and in equal parts amusing.

The US bet on India is good, within limits: Ashley J Tellis
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 92733.html
09 July 2023
Isn't Ashley Tellis of Indian origin ? (I am under that impression)

But his "views" are never really pro-Indian!!
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Joint Statement from India and the United States
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... ed-states/
08 Sept 2023

https://twitter.com/alpha_defense/statu ... 36825?s=20 ---> Key Points from US-India Joint Statement:

* Commencement of negotiations for a commercial agreement between GE Aerospace and Hindustan Aeronautical Limited (HAL) to manufacture GE F-414 jet engine.

* Conclusion of a second Master Ship Repair Agreement, with the most recent agreement signed by the U.S. Navy and Mazgaon Dock Shipbuilders.

* The issuance of a Letter of Request from the Ministry of Defence of India to procure 31 General Atomics MQ-9B (16 Sky Guardian and 15 Sea Guardian) remotely piloted aircraft and their associated equipment.

* Industrial collaboration in semiconductor research, next generation communication systems, cyber-security, sustainability and green technologies, and intelligent transportation systems.

* ISRO and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) have commenced discussions on modalities, capacity building, and training for mounting a joint effort to the International Space Station in 2024, and are continuing efforts to finalise a strategic framework for human space flight cooperation by the end of 2023.
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Legislation In US House Seeks Removal Of Barriers On Tech Export To India
https://www.defencenews.in/2023/09/legi ... -to-india/
09 Sept 2023
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The G-20 Summit and Indo-US strategic partnership
http://www.indiandefencereview.com/news ... rtnership/
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US in active talks with India to look at producing military systems, says Pentagon official
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20 September 2023
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India likely to sign deal with U.S. for 31 MQ-9B drones by February 2024
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 434565.ece
18 Oct 2023
The deal with the U.S. is expected to be concluded by February 2024 and deliveries will begin from February 2027, three years from the signing of the contract.
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Defence Ministry set to receive LoA for 31 MQ-9B drones from the US
https://www.financialexpress.com/busine ... s-3380365/
31 Jan 2024
Over the next few days, the Ministry of Defence is expected to receive the Letter of Acceptance (LoA) from the Biden administration for the delivery of 31 MQ-9B Sea Guardian drones to India.
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It is just not the price tag of USD3B alone. It is in the interests of the US too to sell these to India to keep a watch on IOR for Chinese maritime activities which are increasing by the day. The Gaza-inspired activities in the Arabian Sea as well by the Iranians, the Houthis and the opportunistic Somali pirates are wreaking a havoc. Both P8-I and MQ-9B are operated from INS Rajali where extensive infrastructure including simulators have been setup for MQ-9B and they feed into the Indian Fusion Centre at Gurugram for Maritime Domain Awareness, where a US liaison officer is posted as well.
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