CDS Appointment & Command Restructuring: News & Discussions

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CDS Appointment & Command Restructuring: News & Discussions

Postby Rakesh » 21 Feb 2020 05:16

Last Page of Previous Thread ---> viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7767&start=200

Mods: Please update info below, as and when new information is available. Thank You.

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News and Discussions with regards to the Chief of Defence Staff (CDS), the Department of Military Affairs (DMA) and the structure, mandate & operations of the new joint theater commands in the Indian Armed Forces.

Chief of Defence Staff - Apointee

• General Bipin Rawat, PVSM, UYSM, AVSM, YSM, SM, VSM, ADC [01 January 2020 - Present]

Additional Info ---> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipin_Rawat

Department of Military Affairs

The Department of Military Affairs (DMA) is planned to have three joint secretaries from the Army, Navy and the Air Force. The joint secretaries of the DMA, headed by Chief of Defence Staff General Bipin Rawat, will be of the ranks of Major General, Rear Admiral and Air Vice Marshal. To date, 13 deputy secretaries, 25 undersecretaries and 22 section officers - from the Indian Administrative Service - have been transferred to the DMA.

Additional Info ---> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Departmen ... ry_Affairs

Joint Theatre Commands

• Possible future command structure. Not finalized.

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Articles on CDS and Military Reform

CDS – A shining future for Indian defence or business as usual? [Part 1]
https://www.yuddhaneeti.com/post/cds-a- ... ual-part-1
By Akshay Kapoor, 26 January 2020

CDS – A shining future for Indian defence or business as usual? [Part 2]
https://www.yuddhaneeti.com/post/cds-a- ... ual-part-2
By Akshay Kapoor, 04 February 2020

The significance of the post of CDS lies in its potential for re-imagining national security
https://indianexpress.com/article/opini ... y-6208780/
By Admiral Arun Prakash (Retd), 10 January 2020

India's CDS: Giving Effect to Higher Defence Reform
https://www.delhipolicygroup.org/public ... eform.html
By Lieutenant General Anil Ahuja (Retd) and Brigadier Arun Sahgal (Retd), 02 January 2020

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Multimedia

CDS Role and Responsibilities have Exceeded Expectations



Views on CDS by Major Gaurav Arya (Retd)


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Re: CDS Appointment & Command Restructuring: News & Discussions

Postby Rakesh » 21 Feb 2020 05:23

Theatre commands may take 3 years: Army Chief
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... juFdO.html
21 Feb 2020

India may have 5 theatre commands along borders with Pakistan, China: CDS
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 183766.cms
18 Feb 2020

CDS proposes to merge Eastern & Western Naval Command as Peninsular Command to protect South India
https://www.deccanherald.com/national/c ... 05461.html
17 Feb 2020

India To Get Military Commands In 3 Years, Biggest Restructuring Ever
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/india-t ... er-2174788
04 Feb 2020

India will work out its own model of theatre commands: CDS Rawat
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 062932.cms
02 Jan 2020

CDS' olive green uniform to represent 3 services
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... aign=cppst
31 Dec 2019

Government Amends Rules, Service Chiefs to Now Retire at 65 if Chosen as CDS
https://www.india.com/news/government-a ... s-3893242/
29 Dec 2019

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Re: CDS Appointment & Command Restructuring: News & Discussions

Postby Rakesh » 21 Feb 2020 05:32

CDS General Rawat doing the right things first
https://bharatkarnad.com/2020/02/18/cds ... ngs-first/
18 Feb 2020

Promotions, posting of senior defence officers now come under CDS
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/p ... 2020-02-14
14 Feb 2020

Bipin Rawat headed-DMA will give preference to domain experts like DRDO and ISRO
https://theprint.in/india/bipin-rawat-h ... ro/365781/
14 Feb 2020

MoD approves Rules of Business for the new CDS, General Bipin Rawat
https://www.financialexpress.com/defenc ... t/1820083/
11 Jan 2020

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Postby Rakesh » 21 Feb 2020 05:57

Okay, I went through all the pages of the previous thread and pulled out all the relevant articles and videos. I have posted them above. Now continue discussions in this thread. The old thread has been archived and a link has been provided at the very top of the first post.

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Postby Rakesh » 21 Feb 2020 06:06

Along with the many joint theatre commands under consideration, may this mango abdul suggest that the CDS look into establishing a joint Air Training Command? All future airmen (fighter stream, transport stream, helicopter stream) in the IAF, IN and IA should graduate from this one institution.

Basic flight training/laws are the same, whether you are in Army, Navy or Air Force. I do not know about transport and helicopter streams, but I believe they also learn to fly on a basic trainer aircraft before moving on to their respective streams.

Pool all the instructors, training platforms, associated equipment together - where possible. Cost Savings? Not sure if this would work, just something that I thought of. Comments welcome, but please do not shoot me :)

Example ---> Fighter Stream
HTT-40 (Basic Trainer) ---> HJT-36 (Intermediate Trainer) ---> Hawk AJT (Advanced Trainer) ---> Tejas SPORT (Supersonic Trainer) ---> Frontline Fighter Squadron (Su-30MKI in the IAF or MiG-29K in the IN).

*At the last stage (frontline fighter squadron), pilots from their respective service of choice learn the skills required to operate the Su-30MKI of the Indian Air Force or the MiG-29K of the Indian Navy at their parent squadron. But prior to the last stage, pilots should graduate from one stage to the next under one institution like an Air Training Command.

Example ---> Transport Stream
Do 228 (operated by the Indian Air Force, Indian Navy and the Indian Coast Guard)

Example ---> Helicopter Stream
HAL Dhruv (same as the transport stream example and also the Indian Army)

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Postby ramana » 21 Feb 2020 06:35

Something I wrote for Bharat Rakshak Monitor in Nov-December 1999

What Next? Way to a Credible Deterrent

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Joint operations

It is essential to integrate the services and the ministry of defense. The Defense Secretary should be in charge of administration and budgetary process etc. In other words a purely administrative capacity. The Chief of Defense staff should be selected and appointed on basis of merit and should be the point of contact for passing on the strike authorization to the strike force command. It is also necessary to ensure that the services operate in a joint manner.

In the Northern and eastern sectors, theater commands combining Army and Air Force units should be set-up. The theater commander can be from Army or Air Force. The headquarters need not be in the same location. This way there is dispersion of command assets. In the southwest and southern sectors there could be tri-service theater commands led by competent officers from any of the services. As a start, a joint theater warfare/command school should be setup in the National Defense College, by combining the existing elements from the different service establishments, which are now scattered all over in isolation.



Please read the article for full knowledge!!!

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Re: CDS Appointment & Command Restructuring: News & Discussions

Postby ramana » 23 Feb 2020 00:29

One way to kill flow of a thread is to open a new one just because an infrequent contributor objects to it.
And even the person who objected to previous thread has not posted here.
SAD.

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Postby dinesha » 17 May 2020 13:16

Northern theatre command with China should have Navy element: Gen. Rawat
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 601393.ece

Theatre commands will mainly be between the Army and the IAF. While it is the northern border there should also be a small Navy element,” Gen. Rawat told a small group of journalists during the week. Referring to the Navy’s fighter jets, he said, “Can we not bring some of the naval assets to the land borders?”
Saying the naval fighter jets can operate in deserts and the IAF jets there can move to the other borders, Gen. Rawat said, “There is not much of difference between sea flying and desert flying.”

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Postby MeshaVishwas » 21 May 2020 17:43

Brilliant article by Adminullah Mihir, gives a lot of food for thought.
Don’t Knock General Bipin Rawat’s ‘Land Centrism’; It Is Exactly What India Needs
https://swarajyamag.com/defence/dont-kn ... ndia-needs

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Postby Larry Walker » 21 May 2020 18:17

Article advocates sea denial, but we also need to build sea control power so that we can protect and keep our SLOC's open. Submarines will not be enough to guard against a Carrier group and if we solely depend upon land-based fighters to protect our vast coastlines then by the time the enemy flotilla is within range, they are close enough to our coastline for a beach assualt. India will then have to divert the army to guard possible beach heads. In army terms it is like pitching IBG's against a strike corps or another example would be BMP's and Namica's trying to face down Arjun formations. Surely you will inflict damage but if enemy achives their objectives then these damages don't count much. We still keep debating that even though IAF lost higher numbers against PAF they met their strategic objectives. Same applies for argument between Carrier groups and submarines.

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Postby MeshaVishwas » 21 May 2020 18:30

One of key charters for the post of CDS is resource optimization.Spending so much on another new AC vs multiple good Submarines (SSK/SSN) is for me a no brainer.
Even the MRFA thing is tough for me to understand.
This also where I would have liked to see this first among equals thing sorted. Too much confusion from the services.

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Postby Rakesh » 21 May 2020 18:31

CDS' announcements on carrier cancellation and MMRCA contest are exactly what the Navy and Air Force feared with a CDS from an Army background. Prior to CDS, the Chiefs were having a field day with the MoD Babus.

Want 126 MMRCAs? Let us run a contest, go through the hoops, waste decades, call Tejas a three legged cheetah, categorically state that there is no Plan B, etc. Cost is just a minor quibble after all. When you can get ready made phoren fighters to make up the bulk of the fleet, why waste $20 billion on the Tejas program?

Want a 65,000 ton, nuclear powered and EMALS equipped aircraft carrier with 57 carrier borne strike fighters? Let us announce it on Navy Day and definitively state that budgetary allocations have been made for this. $15 billion for 57 "phoren" carrier borne strike fighters is an excellent investment for India's security.

What the CDS is saying is not to cancel aircraft carriers entirely, but rather is a 65,000 ton aircraft carrier with nuclear power and EMALS necessary? Would not a ski jump and a size similar to the Vikrant not be good enough? Same with the MMRCA - does the IAF really need 114 "phoren" combat aircraft? Can the Tejas not make up the bulk of the fleet and a smaller number of MMRCA acquired (36 - 54 aircraft perhaps?). Does India need to be a global expeditionary force like the US? Is being a regional power and guarding the nation's borders not good enough? That is what the CDS is stating.

CDS came, then COVID-19 came and brochuritis went out the window. The Air and Navy Chiefs are putting up a brave face, but even they know now ---> there is no money for these white elephant projects.

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Postby Rakesh » 21 May 2020 18:40

And the OEMs (eagerly supported by BRF's "import pasand" crowd) who push their uber-expensive wares for these white elephant projects are damn frustrated. It is bad enough they have to deal with the archaic and famed Indian Babudom. Now the CDS has added a new headache for them. Get ready for personal defamation of the CDS. That is the next step. India's enemies are within India onlee.

I hope folks now realize why India never had a CDS (until now). How can India's politicians make money otherwise? Love the man or hate the man, but what Prime Minister Modi has done for India - via CDS appointment - is a blessing for swadeshi equipment.

https://twitter.com/KSingh_1469/status/ ... 85632?s=20 ----> You can have a problem with the Right, you can be a bit disappointed in Modi (for whatever your reasons) but remember who he is keeping at bay, remember the alternative. It’s not a case of 2 steps foreword, one step back. CONgress would just take India 10 steps back.

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Postby Mihir » 22 May 2020 07:10

MeshaVishwas wrote:Brilliant article by Adminullah Mihir, gives a lot of food for thought.
Don’t Knock General Bipin Rawat’s ‘Land Centrism’; It Is Exactly What India Needs
https://swarajyamag.com/defence/dont-kn ... ndia-needs

Thank you saar! But I️ is not an adminullah :oops:

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Postby nachiket » 22 May 2020 23:31

Rakesh wrote:CDS' announcements on carrier cancellation and MMRCA contest are exactly what the Navy and Air Force feared with a CDS from an Army background. Prior to CDS, the Chiefs were having a field day with the MoD Babus.

Want 126 MMRCAs? Let us run a contest, go through the hoops, waste decades, call Tejas a three legged cheetah, categorically state that there is no Plan B, etc. Cost is just a minor quibble after all. When you can get ready made phoren fighters to make up the bulk of the fleet, why waste $20 billion on the Tejas program?

The IAF only wanted 126 M2k's. The decade long multi-vendor contest with no result was foisted on them by the government and babucracy.

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