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ramana wrote:Chetak About your feedback.
CDS Rawat might have the same four-star ranking but he is senior in service.
sirji,

Seniority matters only in the services. Four star is exactly what the babooze wanted for the CDS and they managed to get it

on civvy street govt services, it is the pay scale that determines the pecking order

after the revision of payscales and the NFU upgrades, many MES civilian officers refused to attend meetings convened by uniformed authorities because they had been placed on a higher basic pay scale and hence considered themselves senior to their own bosses

previous to this, the same MES civilian guys attended all meetings convened by the same uniformed authorities without any question

this is just one example

In the ministry, it is the babooze who manipulated things in such a way that the pay scales of civilian counterparts remained higher.

for civilians, the pecking order, perks, and privileges are pay scale dependant.

It is a gift of the paranoid neverwho. he never trusted the armed forces because he was sure that just like the paki army took over, the Indian army would depose him and take over the govt.

and that's how the babooze squeezed through the gap and have been lording it over every other service ever since. They gained the trust of neverwho and impressed on him that they needed the supremacy over the generals and would keep a close watch on the Armed forces and help the politicos to keep them in check and that dumb dope fell for it. He saw the IAS babooze as the direct descendants of the colonial ICS.

Every politico since has also left the nuts and bolts management of the MoD to the babooze and their kingdom has thus grown in strength, file noting by file noting.


To counter the firearms of the Armed forces, they created a preponderance of civilian "armed" police forces all reporting to the home ministry so that they would oppose the Armed Forces with firearms, were they to stage a coup. This ploy these idiotic babooze thought would keep the Armed forces in check because they would have to tackle other "civilian" forces who were as well armed as the Forces themselves thus negating the chances of a coup.

and all these central "armed" police forces are headed by clueless IPS who have no knowledge of leadership and motivation of men when in actual battle conditions. Naxal operations are battle conditions and the leadership of such central "armed" police forces would be immeasurably better served by combat hardened army officers used to leading from the front. But the same age old "coup" fears ensure that only the IPS gets to "lead" these men.

Military ops and policing action are fundamentally very different, both in philosophy and in practice.

Just recollect what happened during VK Singh's time when a panic stricken govt actually thought that a coup was in progress. And the "defence secy" was urgently summoned from bankok or some such fleshpot where he was "officially" visiting because they thought that the "defence secy" would "protect" them from the coup by personally "taking charge" of the Army.

The humiliations by the babooze are particularly reserved for the Armed Forces only. Things have changed marginally after Modi's arrival and now the CDS has almost completely cut their patta.

NFU was wilfully denied to the Forces because the babooze wanted to maintain the gap in pay structure. These days, even the cops have taken to disrespecting senior Armed forces officers.

and one exam wonders they will always remain.

BTW, you need to appreciate the role of the long term instigators and these systemic stake holders with unfettered access to the nuts and bolts of every trial and arms deal details, who have long opposed the very concept of CDS because they would be sidelined.

many a fortune has been made by "bystanders" peddling commercially sensitive bid details.

this dirty nallah runs deep and flows long distance.
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Integrated Theatre Commands Considered A Necessity Since Kargil War And Will Gradually Unfold Over The Years:
Indian Army Chief Gen M.M. Naravene

+++++++ loads of info on other topics..
03 August, 2021
by Manish Kumar Jha

http://www.businessworld.in/article/Int ... 21-399114/
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Air Chief Marshal RKS Bhaduria is due to retire in September 2021. A number of twitter feeds are stating that he got a sixth month extension. Here is just one tweet below. This is usually given either when war is imminent or a major acquisition is in the works. The other possibility is that he may become the next CDS.

https://twitter.com/MaverickBharat/stat ... 12418?s=20 ---> Extension of six months have been granted to Indian Air Chief Marshal RKS Bhadauria. Next CDS?

Race hots up for the post of Air Force, Navy chief. Here are the main contenders
https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2021/ ... nders.html
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The extension of ACM Bhadauria's service would appear to be aimed at putting him in line for the CDS. But Gen. Rawat is due to retire only in Jan 2023, which would require another extension for ACM Bhadauria. If that doesn't happen, Gen. Naravane would be the senior most serving Chief and would be in line for the CDS appointment. I think, given the requirement to smoothen out the Theatre Command structure, especially with the IAF being perceived as the holdout, it would be ACM Bhadauria as the next CDS.
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Jamwal, The LPDs , two for each coast are for the ocean territories.
70k rifles is belated equipping all personnel after fall of Kabul to Taliban and avoid Pathank9t redux.

ACM already got two years as chief.
And hasn't embraced CDS concept. Making him CDS could wreck it.
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Ramana, can you point to any source for the claim that ACM Bhadauria hasn't embraced the CDS concept?
That's a pretty serious allegation.
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Rakesh wrote:Air Chief Marshal RKS Bhaduria is due to retire in September 2021. A number of twitter feeds are stating that he got a sixth month extension. Here is just one tweet below. This is usually given either when war is imminent or a major acquisition is in the works. The other possibility is that he may become the next CDS.

https://twitter.com/MaverickBharat/stat ... 12418?s=20 ---> Extension of six months have been granted to Indian Air Chief Marshal RKS Bhadauria. Next CDS?

Race hots up for the post of Air Force, Navy chief. Here are the main contenders
https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2021/ ... nders.html
06 August 2021
I find this series of tweets to be more than a little disturbing.

1,) The nation is not facing any situation that will require the tenure of a service chief to be extended.

2) Extension of a service chief will imply that the current bench strength is insufficient to deal with the situation as it may emerge in the future.

3) reference to point no 2 it will adversely effect moral of serving officers.

4) the recent reporting about merit and not seniority being the criteria for promotion, if true. Then this extension is dead in the water.

5) Considering pot no 4 above. So is any degree of seniority in service for the position of CDS.

Having understood these points, I think that this set of tweets are highly malicious and are designed to sow dissension in the ranks.
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India kicks off groundwork for four integrated theatre commands
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... s?from=mdr
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Thought provoking. I think we should do this in full.

https://twitter.com/Ak5985965/status/14 ... 00256?s=20
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https://youtu.be/aNkKjHhfJO0

I was very surprised to know that when a retired officer is re-employed in the paramilitary or CPFs, his responsibility is two ranks lower than in the rank at retirement!! What a waste of human capital. Given that the salary drawn in the new service is the same, this appeals to be just a bureaucratic maneuver to protect fiefdoms. I really hope the GoI will accept the DMA's recommendation of rehiring at the same level of responsibility.
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Vidur wrote:Thought provoking. I think we should do this in full.

https://twitter.com/Ak5985965/status/14 ... 00256?s=20
VIdur Ji please see ParGha's response in another thread...

Perhaps we have more important things to address?
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Wonderful discussion on theater commands and how our threats are perceived. N.N. Vohra and CDS Rawat.
via The Print.

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prabhu chawla's knowledge of matters military, martial strategy and modern philosophies of battlefield management is non existent. He is simply regurgitating words written out by some senior military malcontents, backed by corrupted politicos who see their usual feeding frenzies at the public trough being curtailed drastically, aided and abetted by babooze who exist only to serve their political masters and assorted gift bearing arms dealers looking for that all important "inside track" that will position them ahead of their equally predatory and vulturous competitors at the starting gate during the procurement process.

CAA is primarily a security issue, apart from its inherent dimensions of politics and social complexities and Rawat is a security specialist who will have a valid view on the matter, as it applies to the NATSEC dimension which is within his bailiwick.

chawla is slyly mixing up theatre commands which is the actual bone of contention for some फ़ौजी gyanis and CAA which will turn into a NATSEC issue, BIF willing.

One is naturally left wondering about the various dimensions of chawla's sudden interest and motivation in smearing Rawat as well as the identity of those generous backers skulking in the shadows

or are is it a case of "aaj hum dhanya ho gaye tumhara darsan pa kar" while being blessed to witness the second coming of the "coupta" avatar



A General cannot set narrative in democracy



A General cannot set narrative in democracy

Power is the akshayapatra of greed which never satiates the high and mighty. Establishment figures are geniuses at finding ways and means outside the institutional monolith to expand their empire.


19th September 2021
Prabhu Chawla

Power is the akshayapatra of greed which never satiates the high and mighty. Establishment figures are geniuses at finding ways and means outside the institutional monolith to expand their empire. Normally, the war to enlarge fiefdoms is waged by politicians and civil servants. In a rare aberration, a General has joined their ranks. Our Oliver Twist in uniform Bipin Rawat, the current Chief of Defence Staff (CDS), is a man in a hurry — a Military Machiavelli plotting and parleying to be India’s most powerful official in uniform since Independence.

Currently, he is the CDS as well as Principal Military Advisor to the Defence Minister, Secretary Military Affairs, and Military Advisor to the Nuclear Command Authority. He was Army chief for over three years and enjoyed a great reputation as a disciplined soldier. His term was extended by the Modi government to 65 years. A day before retirement, he was appointed CDS on December 31, 2019. This bump up has made him the first officer in olive green to perform the dual role of Secretary and CSD.

Rawat’s deployment was supposed to be part of the reform moves in the defence establishment. But he has behaved more like a political general of some monarchy than the head of the world’s second largest Army with great battle pedigree and discipline. By criticising agitating students and marshaling his verbs against CAA last year, he provided arsenal to the opposition raising doubts over his professional conduct. Former Home Minister P Chidambaram asked him to “head the Army and mind your business.” But Rawat’s business is, according to his detractors, the accumulation of power — he has taken Chidambaram’s advice too literally. The original proposal mandated the CDS to coordinate among Army, Navy and Air Force and ensure optimum acquisition, deployment and utilization of assets.

Ignoring the military convention of discretion, Rawat rarely hides his aspirations. Last week, he crafted a new future role for himself. While there is no official statement from the government including the PM and the Defence Minister on the future contours of the defence leadership, Rawat spelt out its architecture in a public speech. The existing 17 single-service Commands would be shrunk to four geographical commands by drawing assets from all the three services. Imitating the Western concept of theatre command which comprise officers from all three services, India will have a similar structure to deal with new threat perceptions and initiate a quick response. But Rawat didn’t stick to structural modifications. He has weighed in on the hierarchy too.

“The chiefs will be responsible for raising, training, and sustaining functions of their services” and “ the war will be fought by the theatre commanders on a plan approved by the Chief of Staff Committee (CoSC),” he said. “In the long run, what we are looking at is the theatre commanders will become operational commanders, reporting to the CoSC chairman,” he disclosed.

Currently, core commanders of each service report to their chief and take instructions from him. Now the rapacious CDS will lead operations and the services chiefs will be reduced to mere stenographers. In his great wisdom and magnanimity, the General might consult them if he deems fit. In the absence of public documentation, defence experts see this usurping as professional imperialism, since the move is contrary to the terms and conditions of Rawat’s appointment. The defence ministry had informed Parliament that the CDS’ duties and functions are the following:

Head the Dept of Military Affairs in MoD and function as its Secretary.
Act as the principal military advisor to Raksha Mantri on all tri-service matters
Function as the Permanent Chairman of the Chiefs of Staff Committee
Administer the tri-service organizations/agencies/commands.
To be a member of Defence Acquisition Council.
Function as the Military Advisor to the Nuclear Command Authority,
Bring about jointness in operation, logistics, transport, training, support services, communications, repairs and maintenance, etc of the three services.
Ensure optimal utilisation of infrastructure and rationalise it through jointness among the services.
Implement Five-Year Defence Capital Acquisition Plan and Two-Year roll-on Annual Acquisition Plans, as a follow up of Integrated Capability Development Plan.
Assign inter-services prioritisation to capital acquisition proposals based on the anticipated budget.
Soon after his appointment, news items based on government sources clarified the CDS would be “first among equals as the permanent Chairman of CoSC and lead a new department of military affairs even though he would be a four star general with same pay and perks like the three service chiefs who will retain full operational control over their forces.” In his capacity as Principal Military Adviser to the Defence Minister, the CDS would offer his advice, but only on tri-services matters and would not exercise military command. The powers of the Service chiefs, including advising the government, wouldn’t be disturbed or transferred to the CDS. Since then, no authority either reviewed or redefined Rawat’s powers and functions. Only the Cabinet Committee on Security is empowered to decide on sensitive matters.


Historically, the decision to overhaul the Indian defence establishment was taken after the Kargil Review Committee report by K Subrahmanyam, which recommended not only the appointment of a NSA but also unified planning. There was not a whiff about a CDS or theatre commands. The report was partially implemented by Vajpayee when he appointed Brijesh Mishra as NSA. Mishra was the Principal Secretary to the PM, too. For the next 20 years, all recommendations went to the shredder or were sent for a quiet burial in the paper mountains of various panels and committees. Soon after becoming the CDS, Rawat took up pending suggestions which gives him greater scope to rule the forces unchecked. It is a work in process. For now, the General has received a setback due to serious objections raised by senior defence officials.

Irrespective of inter-services rivalry, the concept of theatre commands could be implemented soon. But the battle plan is yet be decided. The defence ministry is studying how 67 countries with a CDS playing a significant role in defining strategy, are faring. In the US, the CDS reports directly to the President who is the Commander-in-Chief. In England, the CDs reports to the Prime Minister. Since India is parliamentary democracy which operates through the Cabinet, the pecking position of the CDS becomes very complex. The entire defence establishment reports to the Defence Minister. All the three chiefs and the CDS advise him on military affairs. At the same time, the PM is advised by the NSA on military affairs, who also enjoys Cabinet Minister status.

On the other hand, Rawat has significantly sanitised the defence equipment acquisition system and brought in a degree of transparency. But his predatory pleonexia to lead India’s combat commands while keeping the administration gripped in his mailed fist is causing discomfiture in the establishment. Coddling a power hungry general on the prowl in conflict with the democratic hierarchy is setting a deplorable precedent. By planning an administrative coup d’etat in his establishment, Rawat is weakening one of India’s few institutions that has never been compromised, or weakened by any avaricious aspirations of an individual.
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CDS Gen Rawat is doing his job. An ll these folks are raising old objections.
I guess Coupta has trained his minions well.
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CDS with the implementation of theatre commands is setting the stage for global operations from the Indian armed forces.

The it is no longer about either Pakistan and PRC only. Even though the next war might be against them.

This is creating a structure that can very quickly adapt to changing global environment.

A very important consideration for a country that is going to be amongst the greatest power's in the second half of the current century.
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The backhanded praise to Gen Rawat in the last para is the actual reason for backend burning. He streamlined equipment procurement which must have hurt lot of fellows. By making a passing reference in the end to it in a positive way they want to hide the real reason.
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The burning is due to the following reasons - loss of Babu control, loss of fortune being made in the procurement drainage, a better prepared armed forces facing lizards and greens and a geo-politically aware armed forces.

Earlier our forces and their actions against pakis and chinkis were restrained due to mismanaged procurement, unprepared forces, corrupt babus and spineless politicos. This coupled with the paid traitorous media, made it very easy for foreign countries to do mischief and yet were never paid in kind. Their cost was very low in tying us down.

This also reduces utility of media dalals in shaping public opinion about procurements at the cost of homebrew. The spineless anti-national Congoons, if they come in power will have to behave. If any incident is orchestrated by Pakis or Chinkis, they will have no other option than to respond with force.

In a nutshell, General Rawat is doing a great service to the country and dharma. See the audacity of Prabhu Chawla who calls him Rawat in the article. He should have maintained General Rawat throughout the article. This is a deliberate attempt to bad mouth him as the whole anti-national ecosystem is being disturbed.
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ramana wrote:CDS Gen Rawat is doing his job. An ll these folks are raising old objections.
I guess Coupta has trained his minions well.
A minor nitpick. Prabhu Chawla is actually senior to Shekhar Gupta. If I am not mistaken was even his boss for a while. But the article appears ghost written. Words like, 'Phlenorexia' (if I got that right) and all that doesn't sound Prabhu Chawlaish.
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ks_sachin wrote:
Vidur wrote:Thought provoking. I think we should do this in full.

https://twitter.com/Ak5985965/status/14 ... 00256?s=20
VIdur Ji please see ParGha's response in another thread...

Perhaps we have more important things to address?

Sachin, Please link those comments or which thread is it in?
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Ramana-ji, Sachin is referring to the twitter link that Vidur-ji posted about.
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Brilliant one, Sir.
chetak wrote:One doesn't think that many of the so called erudite commentators have read, understood or even digested the import of the CDS's comments.

A general of the CDS's calibre will not ever say publicly what the media says that he said. The BIF owned presstitutes have purposely provoked this inter-service dispute and many have needlessly and foolishly waded in to vent in the media.

....

No one controls the battlefield like the grunts with their bloodied boots on the ground.

fluff like "force multiplier" etc are an over used concept. At best, it can give one a temporary advantage or a momentary edge to be quickly exploited.

The USAF for all its vaunted global capabilities and virtually unlimited resources did its limited thing and left it to the soldiers to consolidate.

And vietnam was lost, in spite of the many carriers and hundreds of thousands of sorties flown by the USAF and the USN and the hundreds of thousands of tons of ordinance deployed.

so the alleged superiority or inferiority of any service is always to be taken with a cart load of salt.

our agni series and the nuke/conventional subs are very credible deterrents. This is what has scared the cheenis more than anything because they know that whatever the defence, some warheads will always get through....

just because someone said strike the enemy after some terrorist incident doesn't mean batshit. ....

......

If the pakis have not retaliated, it is because of Modi and his actions during the time of the Indian strike that was monitored by the superpowers and fed back to the pakis.

If the cheeni did not support the pakis in 1971 despite the desperate begging for cheeni help by the pakis, it was because the cheeni had not forgotten the drubbing that they had received at the hands of the IA during the 1967, where India and the cheeni faced off on the heights of Cho La and Nathu La at the Sikkim border. And just like sunderji, modi too inspires fierce loyalty.

.......

The IA is now officered and led by proud and well qualified Indians, just like the IN and the IAF. These guys know what is to be done.

...

Yes, the CDS has teething problems but there was a huge war between the RAF and the RN during WWII even as the war was being fought. If they could finally resolve it, so can we.

1971 was fought broadly on the theatre concept with all forces under one commander. Yes, some independent sorties were flown over beediland both by the IAF and the IN even as the IA was advancing on the ground.

was there even a single incident where the so called "force multiplier" changed the course of the 1971 war.

or was the IN attack on karachi too mundane seen in the light of a "force multiplier" type of action by a service that used existing resources way, way beyond their design capabilities and intended operational exploitation doctrines.

The 1962 war was run by glory hunting political pygmies in uniform, the relatives, jathwallas and gaonwallas of neverwho and on the advice of a psychopathic commie defence minister who did not know enough to distinguish his elbow from a hole in the ground, just like his fearless leader.
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ramana wrote:CDS Gen Rawat is doing his job. An ll these folks are raising old objections.
I guess Coupta has trained his minions well.
didn't this happen in 1962.............

and no lessons learned thereafter

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NaMo's biggest gift to India. An Armed Forces which can efficiently prosecute conflict.

https://www.ajaishukla.com/2021/09/cds- ... veals.html
In what would be the boldest military reorganisation move since independence, Rawat said the 17 single-service commands that currently exist would be combined into just four geographical commands, each with elements from all three services.

The first joint theatre command would be responsible for battle against Pakistan in what the military refers to as the “western theatre”; while a second theatre command would be responsible for the border with China. A third, navy-heavy theatre, called the “maritime command” will be responsible for the security of the Indian Ocean Region (IOR); and an island command, already functional and called the Andaman & Nicobar Command (ANC), would project power into the eastern Indian Ocean.

“Today, we have four different army commands looking after Pakistan: Northern, Western, South-Western and Southern commands. From the air force, we have three commands looking after that frontier: Western Air Command, South-Western Air Command and Southern Air Command. From the navy, we have a Western Naval Command and a Southern Naval Command,” counted Rawat.

The frontier against China is managed by a similar multiplicity of commands. The Central Air Command, located in Allahabad, has a role in managing both the western and eastern theatres, while the Eastern Air Command at Shillong is responsible for the northern theatre. “The army’s Central Command and Eastern Commands look after the northern borders while the army’s Northern Command is split between the western border and the northern border. If you count, there are 17 commands that are responsible for guarding against both our adversaries,” said Rawat.

Describing these joint theatre commands, Rawat said the one looking after Pakistan would have a commander, whether from the army, navy or air force, who is best suited for the job. He would have subordinate commanders from the other two services, who could offer him advice specific to their respective services.

“There is also a thought process about co-opting the central armed police forces (CAPFs) for tasks with the army. The CAPFs train with us and have weapons systems that are as good as what the army has. So they can, in combination with the army, take on some defensive tasks and, thereby, relieve the army for carrying out offensive tasks,” said Rawat.

The CDS said the military was also looking at creating a single theatre command for managing the threat from China. This theatre commander would also have under him elements from the Eastern Naval Command and IAF components.

Rawat said the navy’s two combat commands -- the western and the eastern naval commands – would be integrated into a single headquarters. Called the National Maritime Command, it would be responsible for the security of the Arabian Sea, Bay of Bengal and the northern Indian Ocean.

The fourth joint theatre command would be responsible for defending India’s island territories, which Rawat called “islands of resistance”.

The military has already created a joint theatre command in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, headed by a CINCAN (Commander-in-chief Andaman and Nicobar), who has been India’s only integrated commander-in-chief. The CINCAN does not report to the navy, but to the Integrated Defence Staff (IDS).

The fifth theatre, said Rawat, comprises of India’s air space, which is increasingly contested by manned and unmanned aircraft, missiles, rockets and artillery shells, which go as high as 15 kilometres when they are fired. “With the air chief engaged in multiple other tasks, the solution being considered is to have a dedicated air force commander-in-chief, responsible for the air space above us,” said Rawat

The sixth joint commander would be in charge of cyber war. “Frontal attacks with tanks and infantry may not be the way the next war is fought. Instead, the troops in the rear may become the first to come under attack – a cyber attack launched by the enemy,” said Rawat.
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Clap, Clap!!!
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Indeed clap clap

But communication, jointmanship (and not onemanship), loyalty to nation above respective forces etc. are needed. And then loads and loads of joint operations to refine doctrine and practice it.
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https://twitter.com/DesiEscobar07/statu ... 55557?s=20 ---> Air Chief Marshal VR Chaudhari : Fully committed to theatre concept. Strengths of each service need to be taken into account and doctrines of each have to be kept in mind.

https://twitter.com/themave7/status/144 ... 46338?s=20 ---> IAF Chief, Air Chief Marshal VR Chaudhari has contradicted Gen Bipin Rawat's statement regd. rationalization of fighter sqn strength in light of induction of SAMs. He said - There can be NO camparison bw offensive & defensive assets.
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Don't know where else to post this, but long overdue for India. Hope some concrete steps are taken in this respect.

KaranM if you see this post.... 8)

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 76521?s=20 ---> "Countering false/fake news (psychological warfare) very important. Spread of false narrative to be nipped in the bud. Can be very dangerous", says CDS General Bipin Rawat.
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Video in link below...

https://twitter.com/CNNnews18/status/14 ... 19970?s=20 ---> New CDS in next 10 days: Sources
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Could not believe.

Col Ajai Shukla tweeted a Cake with red strawberries and Yummy message on Twitter...deleted it.

I could see the glee in his message...

He may hate Modi for not giving him business but I am at a loss on why this fellow hates a fine General.
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When the dust settles and history is written it will record CDS Gen Bipin Rawat.
And none of these losers will even be footnotes.
Panic, Shookla, and their ilk.
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A lot of people are tweeting fondly to bring back retired folks to be CDS.
CDS is a selection post, not a rotation or a seniority post.
Selection is from the pool of three service chiefs.
Selection because they want the best person of the three for the job of advising the civilians on military matters.
By picking rotation or seniority this won't happen.
It will become another pomp and show post.
CDS post was recommended first by KRC report and went through two decades of stalling and kicking the can forward.
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Rakesh I think we need to put together a thread in tribute to CDS Gen Bipin Rawat.
Please do the honors and start.
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vijayk wrote:Could not believe.

Col Ajai Shukla tweeted a Cake with red strawberries and Yummy message on Twitter...deleted it.

I could see the glee in his message...

He may hate Modi for not giving him business but I am at a loss on why this fellow hates a fine General.

The Chandigarh lobby had been forcefully been grounded by the General as it had also been done by Modi.

Budding lobbyists and eager middlemen whose dhandas have been hurt badly including the mafia family backed cake eater, who has been permanently banned from entry to the MoD.

That is why there was so much angst earlier and now so much joy.

Extremely difficult to replace a colossus like General Rawat, especially at a time when such a person is the need of the hour. A straight shooter and unafraid to speak his mind on domain related issues.

The cheeni are openly lobbying in full page paid ads in mainstream print media apart from their gaddar cohorts eating into the body politik on social media.

A lot of these Chandigarh lobby guys provide what is euphemistically known as "consultancy" and that may or may not include "introductions" in the ministry depending on the tangibles negotiated.

Gen VK Singh, among other things, was the first to try and shut down this corrosive ecosystem and we know what happened to him. Three pillars of democracy ganged up to demolish him apart from many Crocuta crocuta babooze and some jaichands in uniform.
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Government set to start process to appoint next CDS soon; Gen MM Naravane frontrunner
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 189797.cms
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Process to find Gen. Rawat’s successor as CDS begins, these are the likely options before govt
https://theprint.in/defence/process-to- ... vt/779037/
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ramana wrote:Rakesh I think we need to put together a thread in tribute to CDS Gen Bipin Rawat.
Please do the honors and start.
Yes, Ramana-ji I will do that now.

Another forum member was asking for the same.
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chetak wrote:
vijayk wrote:Could not believe.

Col Ajai Shukla tweeted a Cake with red strawberries and Yummy message on Twitter...deleted it.

I could see the glee in his message...

He may hate Modi for not giving him business but I am at a loss on why this fellow hates a fine General.

The Chandigarh lobby had been forcefully been grounded by the General as it had also been done by Modi

Extremely difficult to replace a colossus like General Rawat, especially at a time when such a person is the need of the hour. A straight shooter and unafraid to speak his mind on domain related issues.

A lot of these Chandigarh lobby guys provide what is euphemistically known as "consultancy" and that may or may not include "introductions" in the ministry depending on the tangibles negotiated.

Gen VK Singh, among other things, was the first to try and shut down this corrosive ecosystem and we know what happened to him. Three pillars of democracy ganged up to demolish him apart from many Crocuta crocuta babooze and some jaichands in uniform.
https://shwetankspad.com/2021/12/09/kno ... %EF%BF%BC/

That shookla b@3trds web shit should never be mentioned in BRF anymore

This Shookla is one traitor. Everyone remembers his maniacal attempts quoting unnamed sources to peddle the narrative that China has occupied the territory previously under Indian control. He was almost immediately called out by the OSINT (open-source intelligence community). We all witnessed how Ajai Shukla was brutally shredded on his lies by Abhijit Aiyar Mitra on a live TV debate. But this guy is beyond humiliating.

His betrayal peaked when he and his gang attacked Armed Forces and IAS officers for standing up against the Siachen sellout plan. An empowered Track II committee was formed with the blessing of the de-facto PM of India. Former Air Chief Tyagi headed this committee, the gentleman accused in the Augusta Westland helicopters for the queen. The deal was cancelled after the kickbacks and graft were exposed. The “Track-II” met in Bangkok, Dubai, USA, and Lahore and finally negotiated an agreement to demilitarize Siachen as part of the Confidence Building Measure between India and Pakistan. Despite the clear opposite stand adopted by the Armed Forces, the glacier has an immense strategic value for India. The Army, guided by its chief General V.K. Singh, has pressed the panic button on Siachen. Gen VK Singh took on this powerful cartel and went against the might of UPA Govt’s backing.

As expected, the pack of Hyenas, led by Ajai Shukla, attacked those opposing the withdrawal as “communal scum.” He called our ex-chief V.K Singh a rogue general and continued to use all manners of foul language against veterans.

Ajai Shukla is the brother-in-law of Suman Dubey, a journalist and hardcore Nehru-Gandhi family loyalist, who is also one of the accused in the National Herald scam. Ajai Dubey was a friend of Rajiv Gandhi from his Doon school days. He is also a Trustee and Executive Committee member (a founding member) of the Rajiv Gandhi Foundation. He served as the press advisor to former PM Rajiv Gandhi. He was also associated with various organizations, such as the India Today Group, the Nehru Memorial Museum and Library etc.

Shukla was appointed the anchor of the ‘News Night’ program on DD News when Suman Dubey was a part-time Prasar Bharati Board member. Suman Dubey is married to Manjulika, the elder sister of Anita Shourie (Arun Shourie’s wife). Shukla’s sister is Anita Shourie, and his niece Mitali Saran is yet another Hindu-hating liberal columnist in the Business Standard stable. Now you would understand why was Arun Shourie, once an RW’s hero, so hyper during Rafale Scam brouhaha.

As the editor of the book titled ‘Rajiv‘, the Delhi spin-mistress Manjulika Dubey was responsible for ghosting Sonia’s own memoir about her late husband. Mr Shukla was also once married to Maneka’s Gandhi’s sister, Ambika Shukla.

Quite a close-knit circuit. That is called the ecosystem.

The ecosystem would naturally cry because, for the last six years, South Block has been sanitized of the runaway Colonels turned Defense experts whose hands have been deep soaked in all the 10JP defence deal misadventures and who wrote reams of columns for their daily dose of Maino biscuits.

Don’t get bugged at their frustrated conduct. Laugh at it.
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kit wrote:
chetak wrote:
The Chandigarh lobby had been forcefully been grounded by the General as it had also been done by Modi

Extremely difficult to replace a colossus like General Rawat, especially at a time when such a person is the need of the hour. A straight shooter and unafraid to speak his mind on domain related issues.

A lot of these Chandigarh lobby guys provide what is euphemistically known as "consultancy" and that may or may not include "introductions" in the ministry depending on the tangibles negotiated.

Gen VK Singh, among other things, was the first to try and shut down this corrosive ecosystem and we know what happened to him. Three pillars of democracy ganged up to demolish him apart from many Crocuta crocuta babooze and some jaichands in uniform.
https://shwetankspad.com/2021/12/09/kno ... %EF%BF%BC/

That shookla b@3trds web shit should never be mentioned in BRF anymore

This Shookla is one traitor. Everyone remembers his maniacal attempts quoting unnamed sources to peddle the narrative that China has occupied the territory previously under Indian control. He was almost immediately called out by the OSINT (open-source intelligence community). We all witnessed how Ajai Shukla was brutally shredded on his lies by Abhijit Aiyar Mitra on a live TV debate. But this guy is beyond humiliating.

His betrayal peaked when he and his gang attacked Armed Forces and IAS officers for standing up against the Siachen sellout plan. An empowered Track II committee was formed with the blessing of the de-facto PM of India. Former Air Chief Tyagi headed this committee, the gentleman accused in the Augusta Westland helicopters for the queen. The deal was cancelled after the kickbacks and graft were exposed. The “Track-II” met in Bangkok, Dubai, USA, and Lahore and finally negotiated an agreement to demilitarize Siachen as part of the Confidence Building Measure between India and Pakistan. Despite the clear opposite stand adopted by the Armed Forces, the glacier has an immense strategic value for India. The Army, guided by its chief General V.K. Singh, has pressed the panic button on Siachen. Gen VK Singh took on this powerful cartel and went against the might of UPA Govt’s backing.

As expected, the pack of Hyenas, led by Ajai Shukla, attacked those opposing the withdrawal as “communal scum.” He called our ex-chief V.K Singh a rogue general and continued to use all manners of foul language against veterans.

Ajai Shukla is the brother-in-law of Suman Dubey, a journalist and hardcore Nehru-Gandhi family loyalist, who is also one of the accused in the National Herald scam. Ajai Dubey was a friend of Rajiv Gandhi from his Doon school days. He is also a Trustee and Executive Committee member (a founding member) of the Rajiv Gandhi Foundation. He served as the press advisor to former PM Rajiv Gandhi. He was also associated with various organizations, such as the India Today Group, the Nehru Memorial Museum and Library etc.

Shukla was appointed the anchor of the ‘News Night’ program on DD News when Suman Dubey was a part-time Prasar Bharati Board member. Suman Dubey is married to Manjulika, the elder sister of Anita Shourie (Arun Shourie’s wife). Shukla’s sister is Anita Shourie, and his niece Mitali Saran is yet another Hindu-hating liberal columnist in the Business Standard stable. Now you would understand why was Arun Shourie, once an RW’s hero, so hyper during Rafale Scam brouhaha.

As the editor of the book titled ‘Rajiv‘, the Delhi spin-mistress Manjulika Dubey was responsible for ghosting Sonia’s own memoir about her late husband. Mr Shukla was also once married to Maneka’s Gandhi’s sister, Ambika Shukla.

Quite a close-knit circuit. That is called the ecosystem.

The ecosystem would naturally cry because, for the last six years, South Block has been sanitized of the runaway Colonels turned Defense experts whose hands have been deep soaked in all the 10JP defence deal misadventures and who wrote reams of columns for their daily dose of Maino biscuits.

Don’t get bugged at their frustrated conduct. Laugh at it.
the cake eater scumbag (now divorced) was earlier married to men@k@ ghandhy's sister, making him vroom vroom ghandy's unkil by marriage

looyens termites are one big incestous family onlee

shourie quite fancied himself as the sureshot FM in the Modi cabinet and thought that he had it in the bag for sure until he was rudely sidelined. That is how he went completely off the rails and began ranting against Modi and the RSS etc, etc

this lot is so shady that they will each cast a dark shadow on a pitch black moonless night
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