India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby SBajwa » 27 Jun 2020 21:08

This paki tv analyst is saying that china has control of Daulet Beg Oldi air field



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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby vishvak » 27 Jun 2020 21:12

AshishAcharya wrote:..
Easy solution to make them withdraw ..

Indian side by policy has no bio or chem weapons.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby SSridhar » 27 Jun 2020 21:15

PankajS & Rajpa, layoff each other. Take it as a formal warning.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby samirdiw » 27 Jun 2020 21:18

sudham wrote:There are two points which is not clear to me from all that I have read here

1) Why is China doing this?
2) Will the world powers support us?



Hi Sudham, The short answer to both of these in my opinion is that it doesn't matter.

While understanding the enemy is important(Tsun Zhu said this) like in chess or any other sport involving two people or teams more than a point we should not forget our own plans to impose our will on the opponent and not fall into the trap of being mesmerized by the opponents plan.Since it came to power CCP has expanded its boundaries. It created some reasons to invade Tibet, then felt offended at Nehru and India because we were getting too big for our boots at international bodies. Perhaps now feels it needs to do the same to get another 40 years of peace for it. It doesn't matter. Just like a racist will find new names to call you just because one is banned, or a bully to put you down, China will find another reason. Trying to understand the bully more than a point and placate them is just wasted effort and doesn't do us any good. "Muh pe do keechke diya tho aur chal nikal idhar se" is better than all that finding reason of the mindset of the bully.

Everyone will support the one that wins. If things are neutral then some will support one and some another. Maybe for a short while they will support the loser but in the long run more articles will be written how the loser was wrong (aka 1962, Tibetians, Native americans etc etc). No one wants to feel that they didn't do anything while a wrong happens in front of their eyes. Too many people tie themselves into a knot over what will people say. The victor is left free to create the narrative. Its better to plan for one before the action starts.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby NRao » 27 Jun 2020 21:24

Because it is disputed territory where Indians have been patrolling for years. We have every right to patrol there, especially in peace.


One who has the might, has the right. Peace or not.

Why? Because this is a Line of Actual Control, not an International Border. One has to Control that Line to be able to patrol it.





In an *ideal situation* the enemy should not even think of opposing you.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Rs_singh » 27 Jun 2020 21:27

Please watch this interview with Gen. Narsimhan and play close attn to his words:
https://youtu.be/mh_tmtD7PRU

To summarize :

1. At Galwan, there was a clash between Indian and Chinese forces involving upwards of a hundred soldiers which may or may not have taken place on Indian territory. Result was, no Chinese soldier left on Indian territory post the melee. He declines to confirm if the Chinese have come back at pp14 or not. However, looking at this ndtv report from today and sat images, it appears the Chinese have not only come back but have grown in strength along the Galwan, though it appears to be on their side of the LAC.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/india-c ... ac-2253302

2. On Pangong tso: reports of concrete structures and massive defenses are exaggerated. Situation is evolving.my interpretation : I agree, there are scattered and small defenses with overlapping fields of fire to prevent IA from transgressing.

3. On depsang, y junction and riki nala being occupied by Chinese troops: reports are very exaggerated. My interpretation : occupation may not be the right word to use because talks are still on and options remain open. It’s possible that Chinese have denied access to the same to IA. Denial of access does not imply occupation, at least not yet.

Another important point on the Galwan: The entire Galwan valley belongs to India, though Chinese are present on part of it which in effect implies that not all of Galwan valley is under Indian control. Chinese also claim the entire Galwan as being theirs.

Does not rule out military options, if push comes to shove.

On the Chinese upping the ante and preparing to fight a small border war with laser guns - please don’t forget your anti gravity machines. In order to fight, you have to first get to the fight and these anti gravity machines will sure come in handy. :roll:

Simultaneously, ASEAN through Vietnam has called for adherence to UNSLOCS. Needless to say, a lot more is going on behind the scenes than meets the eye. There is global diplomatic pressure being exerted on China to extract certain concessions while China is trying to get away while the world remains distracted with covid. They timed the 62 war with the Cuban missile crisis. I do think they are up to no good.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Sonugn » 27 Jun 2020 21:29

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/india-moves-air-defence-missile-systems-into-eastern-ladakh-sector/articleshow/76661064.cms
Sources said that India is also very shortly getting a highly capable air defence system from a friendly country which can be deployed and the entire area can be taken care of to prevent any enemy flying there.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Rs_singh » 27 Jun 2020 21:33

Sonugn wrote:https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/india-moves-air-defence-missile-systems-into-eastern-ladakh-sector/articleshow/76661064.cms
Sources said that India is also very shortly getting a highly capable air defence system from a friendly country which can be deployed and the entire area can be taken care of to prevent any enemy flying there.


I think this is old news, released now to make it appear as the latest update. No army worth it’s salt would move in a combat zone without effective AA/AD options. On the bit about new system, it would be almost impossible to operationalize a system to fight This war, here and now.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby banrjeer » 27 Jun 2020 21:37

ldev wrote:
Y I Patel wrote:Please study these three passes: Marsimik La, Piu La, and Ane La. Zoom in , zoom out, rotate, note relationship to each other and to (Google) LAC. Also zoom in close to western side of Piu La noting that the imagery will not be current.

I was able to locate Marsimik La and Ane La, very interesting, but could not locate Piu La. Is it on the "other side". Pincer move?


G219 road disappears starting from a moderate zoom level on all online maps. It’s too deep inside the Chinese area to be a realistic target Right now.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Nihat » 27 Jun 2020 21:41

That's very aptly put, samir

And who cares what China is thinking. To me it's entirely possible that they have tied themselves in knots. Given the Chinese virus situation in India and increasing noises about getting investments from there, not to mention our increasingly belligerent stand on POK (BRI investments), it's possible that they thought that a limited show of strength will result in tactical gains vis-a-vis POK and will show the region who is the big boss.

Turns out the plans did not go so well, IA reacted fast, IAF mobilized with all its might and on top of that, the men of 16 Bihar taught them a lesson of a lifetime in what true battlefield valour is.

True to their nature, these bunch of snakes and hyenas cannot be seen to be backing down now, lest they look like even bigger fool's now. Hence they have taken the more convenient route now of extensive build up, backed by Arty, armour, air power and IADS.

IMHO, all their plans have gone down the gutter and they are trying to save face, while acting brave. I'm certain the Modi government will not give them the opportunity.

We are a resolute, battle hardened force who will stay with them through the harsh Winters if need be. It's a game two can play and we can play it much longer and much better. After all, our para militaries have more battle ops experience, compared to their entire army.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby ks_sachin » 27 Jun 2020 21:49

Rs_singh wrote:


I think this is old news, released now to make it appear as the latest update. No army worth it’s salt would move in a combat zone without effective AA/AD options. On the bit about new system, it would be almost impossible to operationalize a system to fight This war, here and now.

Our news reportage is idiotic at best. However there is scope for additional AD assets being moved in. 3 Div AOR is pretty big.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Kati » 27 Jun 2020 21:53

Just passing on some info from my close contacts in Taiwan developed during my numerous trips over two decades in that tiny beautiful country:
A vast majority of Taiwan's mil assets are decoys. In some important areas, for example, Yan Ming Shan area, the decoys outnumber the real ones by 5:1 ratio. They want the red panda exhaust a good amount of its own assets hitting these decoys while they keep most of their own vital assets in deep mountain tunnels along their eastern coast.

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Postby ks_sachin » 27 Jun 2020 21:54

Nihat wrote:That's very aptly put, samir

And who cares what China is thinking. To me it's entirely possible that they have tied themselves in knots. Given the Chinese virus situation in India and increasing noises about getting investments from there, not to mention our increasingly belligerent stand on POK (BRI investments), it's possible that they thought that a limited show of strength will result in tactical gains vis-a-vis POK and will show the region who is the big boss.

Turns out the plans did not go so well, IA reacted fast, IAF mobilized with all its might and on top of that, the men of 16 Bihar taught them a lesson of a lifetime in what true battlefield valour is.

True to their nature, these bunch of snakes and hyenas cannot be seen to be backing down now, lest they look like even bigger fool's now. Hence they have taken the more convenient route now of extensive build up, backed by Arty, armour, air power and IADS.

IMHO, all their plans have gone down the gutter and they are trying to save face, while acting brave. I'm certain the Modi government will not give them the opportunity.

We are a resolute, battle hardened force who will stay with them through the harsh Winters if need be. It's a game two can play and we can play it much longer and much better. After all, our para militaries have more battle ops experience, compared to their entire army.


Alas I wish it was that simple...Speak to any offr who has served there...The Chinese do not do anything tactically without it being part of a strategic objective...

We may be resolut and battle hardened but a defensive posture has its limitations.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby AshishA » 27 Jun 2020 22:07

vishvak wrote:
AshishAcharya wrote:..
Easy solution to make them withdraw ..

Indian side by policy has no bio or chem weapons.


Officially. But we must do what we can to secure our borders. And giving the Chinese their own Virus is not bio warfare IMHO. It's return gift for all the trouble they have caused this year.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby ldev » 27 Jun 2020 22:10

Rs_singh wrote:


I think this is old news, released now to make it appear as the latest update. No army worth it’s salt would move in a combat zone without effective AA/AD options. On the bit about new system, it would be almost impossible to operationalize a system to fight This war, here and now.


Most likely false news if they are talking about the S400.

However it is possible that it refers to a rush supply of MRSAM/Barak 8 direct from Rafael while India is still waiting for production to spool up from the Kalyani Rafael JV in India. The IN is familiar with the Barak 1 and given that tests of the Barak 8 have been done in India over the last 1 year, there is familiarity with the system and it's operation. Given the urgency of the current border issue it is possible that the Barak 8/MRSAM is being deployed without waiting for the full range of tests to pan out.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby nam » 27 Jun 2020 22:12

I forgot about this. Some silver lining in the whole procurement mess...

BDL is not the only entity making LRSAM. BF is involved as well. Probably makes most of the missile and BDL does the warhead stuff.

https://www.financialexpress.com/defence/kalyani-rafael-gets-100-million-order-for-1000-barak-8-mrsam-missile-kits-for-indian-army-and-iaf/1641337/

I hope they go 24/7. We need them asap.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby abhik » 27 Jun 2020 22:14

Iyersan wrote:
AdityaM wrote:at this rate our control of finger 3 would become tenuous.

https://twitter.com/NarangVipin/status/ ... 34434?s=20



If this is true, what is Modi doing? They have systematically encroached. We need to forcefully evict them. Else they have shown India it’s place. This is something none of us will agree to.


There has definitely been some some failure, either an intelligence and/or a C&C/decision paralysis possible coupled with an inability to mobilise fast enough. The Galwan face off and following fight happened only because we were there in numbers and took the initiative to stop the chinese encroachment, else they would have built their road all the way to Shyok River (may be this was because we has better logistics here).

The report that the PLA is now patrolling the whole of P3 (till the lake) is the most logical thing (from my arm chair perspective), they are dominating the heights overlooking the ITBP between F2/F3 and have mostly enveloped the new camp (per sat pictures) between F3/F4, (probably the reason why we have a relatively small post here). The next ridgeline for us to hold is F2. I honestly don't see the chinese vacating these positions in any type of deescalation. How will tackle this will be interesting to watch, will be a pointer to wether continue to be reactive or go proactive; do we settle for a new line or do we fight to restore what is ours.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby KLNMurthy » 27 Jun 2020 22:31

SSridhar wrote:The 'Wolf Warriors' . . .

China recruits MMA fighters for Tibet border militia - South China Morning Post
China has enlisted a squad of mixed martial arts fighters into its border militia ranks, according to state media.

The 20 MMA fighters were from the Enbo Fight Club in Sichuan province in the country’s southwest and would form the Plateau Resistance Tibetan Mastiffs to be based in Lhasa, the capital of the Tibet autonomous region , state broadcaster CCTV reported on June 20.

The club is known for producing fighters who go on to compete in international tournaments such as the Ultimate Fighting Championship in the United States.

The announcement came after the deadliest clashes in decades between Chinese and Indian troops along the two countries’ contested Himalayan border

It was not clear if the Tibetan Mastiffs would be deployed to the border with India but their main mission would be to help border patrol troops and special forces in hand-to-hand combat training, according to a Tencent News report.

“If the country needs us, the Enbo Fight Club will wholeheartedly complete more challenging tasks. As for whether [our fighters] took part in the conflict a few days ago, don’t ask me, I didn’t ask,” club owner En Bo was quoted as saying..

Other militia recruits included civilian personnel specialising in communications technology, mountaineering and mining, the official military newspaper, The PLA Daily, reported. They will come under the People’s Liberation Army’s Western Theatre Command.

There has been much debate in China over the virtues of the hybrid fighting style of mixed martial arts and the traditional Chinese kung fu approach to combat.


Absolutely hilarious.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby sudham » 27 Jun 2020 22:40

ks_sachin wrote:
Nihat wrote:That's very aptly put, samir

And who cares what China is thinking. To me it's entirely possible that they have tied themselves in knots. Given the Chinese virus situation in India and increasing noises about getting investments from there, not to mention our increasingly belligerent stand on POK (BRI investments), it's possible that they thought that a limited show of strength will result in tactical gains vis-a-vis POK and will show the region who is the big boss.

Turns out the plans did not go so well, IA reacted fast, IAF mobilized with all its might and on top of that, the men of 16 Bihar taught them a lesson of a lifetime in what true battlefield valour is.

True to their nature, these bunch of snakes and hyenas cannot be seen to be backing down now, lest they look like even bigger fool's now. Hence they have taken the more convenient route now of extensive build up, backed by Arty, armour, air power and IADS.

IMHO, all their plans have gone down the gutter and they are trying to save face, while acting brave. I'm certain the Modi government will not give them the opportunity.

We are a resolute, battle hardened force who will stay with them through the harsh Winters if need be. It's a game two can play and we can play it much longer and much better. After all, our para militaries have more battle ops experience, compared to their entire army.


Alas I wish it was that simple...Speak to any offr who has served there...The Chinese do not do anything tactically without it being part of a strategic objective...

We may be resolut and battle hardened but a defensive posture has its limitations.


I think I did not make myself clear.
The first part was why is China suddenly doing this and why now? If you do not know what the enemy's intentions are you cannot prepare for it. We are not a nation with unlimited military resources, we cannot afford to be completely reactive.

The second part was to do with a lot of comments which talk of the quad will come to our support. My view was it will not, since no one gains by supporting us except some limited supplies and diplomatic support.

Point three - I am not a pessimist. From whatever I have read I think we have (had?) the advantage at the border. However assuming that China will be a walkover because of one child policy and such may be wishful thinking. They are not as strong as some think and they are not as weak we some here are assuming.
They have consistently shown an ability to come up with a strategy, plan based on it and build the infrastructure to back it up. For an amateur armchair general (I know redundant! :) ) that is an enemy you should not disregard

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby SriKumar » 27 Jun 2020 22:43

KLNMurthy wrote:
SSridhar wrote:The 'Wolf Warriors' . . .

China recruits MMA fighters for Tibet border militia - South China Morning Post

The 20 MMA fighters were from the Enbo Fight Club in Sichuan province in the country’s southwest and would form the Plateau Resistance Tibetan Mastiffs to be based in Lhasa, the capital of the Tibet autonomous region , state broadcaster CCTV reported on June 20.



Absolutely hilarious.
It gets better. Per the article, the MMA guys are now going form a group called Tibetian Mastiffs resistance platoon/group....a Tibetian Mastiff is a type of dog. The wolf warriors are now dog warriors group. :lol: On a more serious note, did they not get the GOI memo saying that Indian army can now use small arms. What good is kung fu when you are facing a gun.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby sudham » 27 Jun 2020 22:45

SriKumar wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote:
Absolutely hilarious.
It gets better. Per the article, the MMA guys are now going form a group called Tibetian Mastiffs resistance platoon/group....a Tibetian Mastiff is a type of dog. The wolf warriors are now dog warriors group. :lol: On a more serious note, did they not get the GOI memo saying that Indian army can now use small arms. What good is kung fu when you are facing a gun.


Maybe they believe in the Kung Fu movies that we used to watch as kids ! :rotfl:

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Larry Walker » 27 Jun 2020 22:52

[quote="Rs_singh"
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/india-c ... ac-2253302
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The Galwan river looks dry again on 25th June photo ?? Water glittering in 22nd June picture - now it may be due to the angle of the sun - but assuming that river bed remained same - we should see similar break-waters even on recent photos - but can't make out any. So my suspicion is that China has again stopped water flow.

Also General's interview to me sounds like GoI representative trying to calm situation - trying to sounf accurate and technical in minot details - but not talking of the tactical or strategic situation.

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Postby sanjayc » 27 Jun 2020 23:07

Dr. APR @drapr007
Tri services have issued an Orange alert amidst ongoing tension on the eastern border. It means that war can happen anytime. Army has strengthened its positions in Eastern Ladakh at many places by building new positions
Plz stay away from politics for next few weeks & b only Indian

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Deans » 27 Jun 2020 23:15

banrjeer wrote:
ldev wrote:I was able to locate Marsimik La and Ane La, very interesting, but could not locate Piu La. Is it on the "other side". Pincer move?


G219 road disappears starting from a moderate zoom level on all online maps. It’s too deep inside the Chinese area to be a realistic target Right now.


Small groups of Tibetans (our SFF) dropped near the G-219 highway (all along its length) can play havoc with their supply convoys.
Transport aircraft flying at low altitude will be shielded by the Himalayas for most of their journey and will be exposed for only a few minutes
when their paratroopers are disgorged near the G-219. The risk is further reduced if they fly over Nepal.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby SSridhar » 27 Jun 2020 23:16

Sanjayc, pardon my ignorance. Who is Dr. Apr?

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Postby Rakesh » 27 Jun 2020 23:22

Dr Apr is Baba Banaras :)

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Postby SSridhar » 27 Jun 2020 23:23

Thanks, Rakesh

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Postby chandrasekaran » 27 Jun 2020 23:23

SSridhar wrote:Sanjayc, pardon my ignorance. Who is Dr. Apr?

https://mobile.twitter.com/drapr007/sta ... 2012565504

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Dileep » 27 Jun 2020 23:26

Larry Walker wrote:

The Galwan river looks dry again on 25th June photo ?? Water glittering in 22nd June picture - now it may be due to the angle of the sun - but assuming that river bed remained same - we should see similar break-waters even on recent photos - but can't make out any. So my suspicion is that China has again stopped water flow.

Also General's interview to me sounds like GoI representative trying to calm situation - trying to sounf accurate and technical in minot details - but not talking of the tactical or strategic situation.


One of the images is wrong (wrong date or total fake). The Maxar image (supposedly) on 22nd shows the "defensive structures" that we discussed to the death here, and lo and behold!! the Planet Lab image (supposedly) on 25th shows no trace of that!!.

I think the Maxar image is an old one, just before 16th June. The 'structures' maybe the one that we objected to, and the chinese were supposed to have been dismantled.

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Postby Larry Walker » 27 Jun 2020 23:31

Deans wrote:
banrjeer wrote:
G219 road disappears starting from a moderate zoom level on all online maps. It’s too deep inside the Chinese area to be a realistic target Right now.


Small groups of Tibetans (our SFF) dropped near the G-219 highway (all along its length) can play havoc with their supply convoys.
Transport aircraft flying at low altitude will be shielded by the Himalayas for most of their journey and will be exposed for only a few minutes
when their paratroopers are disgorged near the G-219. The risk is further reduced if they fly over Nepal.

How many places will we interdict ?? If runways can be paved in couple of hours - why are we assuming that Chinese cannot repair their highway in few hours ??

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Postby fanne » 27 Jun 2020 23:32

we can always blow up a bridge that is hard to make, then few more as times go by. Roads can be repaired fast, bridges, not so fast. The best timing to blow a bridge is, when their is EP over it.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Larry Walker » 27 Jun 2020 23:34

https://twitter.com/adgpi/status/127667 ... 83685?s=19

#SaturdayThoughts

"You are required to ensure the security of this country against any aggressor. What does that mean for you? It means, that you shall have to fight, and fight to win. There is no room for the losers, if you lose don't come back."
Remembering #SamManekshaw

Not sure if this tweet is just for quoting or ominous - but we badly miss a general like Sam Manekshaw.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Rs_singh » 27 Jun 2020 23:35

Dileep wrote:
Larry Walker wrote:The Galwan river looks dry again on 25th June photo ?? Water glittering in 22nd June picture - now it may be due to the angle of the sun - but assuming that river bed remained same - we should see similar break-waters even on recent photos - but can't make out any. So my suspicion is that China has again stopped water flow.

Also General's interview to me sounds like GoI representative trying to calm situation - trying to sounf accurate and technical in minot details - but not talking of the tactical or strategic situation.


One of the images is wrong (wrong date or total fake). The Maxar image (supposedly) on 22nd shows the "defensive structures" that we discussed to the death here, and lo and behold!! the Planet Lab image (supposedly) on 25th shows no trace of that!!.

I think the Maxar image is an old one, just before 16th June. The 'structures' maybe the one that we objected to, and the chinese were supposed to have been dismantled.


Dileep,

Im not sure if you were responding to Larry or me. In any case this composite image here reflects build up between the 16th to 22nd and shows an increase in EN depl including persistent presence on Indian side:
https://twitter.com/detresfa_/status/12 ... 42785?s=21
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Manish_Sharma » 27 Jun 2020 23:35

sudham wrote:There are two points which is not clear to me from all that I have read here

1) Why is China doing this?
2) Will the world powers support us?

.........If I was the US, I will want India to lose or rather not win. Because that is when India will be more agreeable to become a part of their camp on their terms.


very very true!

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Sanju » 27 Jun 2020 23:39

Larry Walker wrote:https://twitter.com/adgpi/status/1276674179002183685?s=19

#SaturdayThoughts

"You are required to ensure the security of this country against any aggressor. What does that mean for you? It means, that you shall have to fight, and fight to win. There is no room for the losers, if you lose don't come back."
Remembering #SamManekshaw

Not sure if this tweet is just for quoting or ominous - but we badly miss a general like Sam Manekshaw.


Today is FM Sam's death anniversary. Naman.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Sanju » 27 Jun 2020 23:42

Sanju wrote:
Larry Walker wrote:https://twitter.com/adgpi/status/1276674179002183685?s=19

#SaturdayThoughts

"You are required to ensure the security of this country against any aggressor. What does that mean for you? It means, that you shall have to fight, and fight to win. There is no room for the losers, if you lose don't come back."
Remembering #SamManekshaw

Not sure if this tweet is just for quoting or ominous - but we badly miss a general like Sam Manekshaw.


Today is FM Sam's death anniversary. Naman.


Added: That is a quote from his speech to the IMA on P-o-P.

Another of the FM's famous quote was when he was sent to takve over 4-Div in '62.
(Paraphrased) Nobody will withdraw wihtout my direct order and there will be no order for withdrawal.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Rs_singh » 27 Jun 2020 23:45

Deans wrote:
banrjeer wrote:
G219 road disappears starting from a moderate zoom level on all online maps. It’s too deep inside the Chinese area to be a realistic target Right now.


Small groups of Tibetans (our SFF) dropped near the G-219 highway (all along its length) can play havoc with their supply convoys.
Transport aircraft flying at low altitude will be shielded by the Himalayas for most of their journey and will be exposed for only a few minutes
when their paratroopers are disgorged near the G-219. The risk is further reduced if they fly over Nepal.


Deans,

Deployment of SF for sustained ops across the AA is fantastical to say the least. You can have limited interdiction ops for particular C and C targets or special transports. Offensive air ops are the one possible answer for continued SR denial to EN. Fire assaults are another. SF is definitely not.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Rsatchi » 27 Jun 2020 23:45

sudham wrote:
SriKumar wrote: It gets better. Per the article, the MMA guys are now going form a group called Tibetian Mastiffs resistance platoon/group....a Tibetian Mastiff is a type of dog. The wolf warriors are now dog warriors group. :lol: On a more serious note, did they not get the GOI memo saying that Indian army can now use small arms. What good is kung fu when you are facing a gun.


Maybe they believe in the Kung Fu movies that we used to watch as kids ! :rotfl:

Sudhamji
Maybe we should lend them Indiana Jones(first episode) DVD N ask them to watch how Harrison F shoots down a Sword wielder :lol: :lol:


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