India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby abhik » 29 Jun 2020 21:34

NRao wrote:China unleashes new weapon towards western border as India tensions escalate

CHINA has introduced a new howitzer weapon to its western borders following a fatal military clash with India in the Himalayas earlier this month.


What's the original source of this news (skimmed it but could not find it)?

Its weird that they did not deploy earlier, maybe they felt they could take on the IA without fielding their tier-1 systems and are now re-evaluating?

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby NRao » 29 Jun 2020 21:46

abhik wrote:

What's the original source of this news (skimmed it but could not find it)?

Its weird that they did not deploy earlier, maybe they felt they could take on the IA without fielding their tier-1 systems and are now re-evaluating?


A bit sensational - that news source is from the UK after all.

I recall seeing pictures prior to the Galwan incident and someone commenting that India should have let Kalyani build a few of them for India.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby williams » 29 Jun 2020 21:59

Asked if the Government had worked out the implications of a military conflict given the number of variables and unknowns that this could entail, he said: “The view in the Government is that if you start thinking of consequences, you will not be able to move forward.”


I think the unpredictability of our response is very important. The bully psyche works well with predictability but goes completely disarrayed when the opponent is unpredictable and sometimes even irrational. One of the biggest weaknesses in our system is the IFS babus who would like to go by the book all the time.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby idan » 29 Jun 2020 22:06

ChanakyaM wrote:
idan wrote:American THAAD is still in Israel. In all likelihood we can see a THAAD in action in Ladakh and that will be a strong message to the dilly-dallying Russians
A simple compare of THAAD and S400 shows the deficiencies of THAAD, so what additional help do we expect by trying to deploy THAAD?(if the amrikans give it to us).

The tendency of having best in class, best engineered solution etc. has cost us dearly. Get something that works relatively well and acts as a deterrence. The mindset has to change. Deployment of THAAD in South Korea made China raging like a mad bull.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chin ... SKBN2350XA

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Deans » 29 Jun 2020 22:12

pankajs wrote:Difficult to verify ..

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 1278247936
Indian army has deployed an entire division in the DBO-Depsang area along with armour and artillery units (incl. M777A2 ultra light howitzers) to counter China's 4th Mechanized Division deployed across the LAC opposite this sector.


Since we had just 1 division in eastern Ladakh, if this is true, there would be a new division sent to cover the area from the Southern bank of
Pangong Tso (Chushul) to Demchok. I suspect the Dimapur based III Corps, with its 3 mountain divisions, has provided the additional force.
The demands of counter insurgency in that theater have reduced. I believe some time back a formation of that corps was moved to Meerut as a reserve.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Rakesh » 29 Jun 2020 22:19

idan wrote:
ChanakyaM wrote:A simple compare of THAAD and S400 shows the deficiencies of THAAD, so what additional help do we expect by trying to deploy THAAD?(if the amrikans give it to us).

The tendency of having best in class, best engineered solution etc. has cost us dearly. Get something that works relatively well and acts as a deterrence. The mindset has to change. Deployment of THAAD in South Korea made China raging like a mad bull.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chin ... SKBN2350XA

India has made significant investments in the S-400 system. The IAF wants the system and with Rajnath Singh's visit to Moscow, the system is coming sooner than the original 2021-end delivery date. To evaluate another system and have that system tie in to the existing air defence network will take time and money, neither of which India has right now.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby darshan » 29 Jun 2020 22:25

US doesn't have many of this Thaad systems.

From the US perspective it would be meaningful to have Thaad there to collect data. But what's in it for India? What can India bargain for in return? It will roughen up some political feathers so there has to be something in return. Meaningful.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby kit » 29 Jun 2020 22:29

Rakesh wrote:
idan wrote:The tendency of having best in class, best engineered solution etc. has cost us dearly. Get something that works relatively well and acts as a deterrence. The mindset has to change. Deployment of THAAD in South Korea made China raging like a mad bull.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chin ... SKBN2350XA

India has made significant investments in the S-400 system. The IAF wants the system and with Rajnath Singh's visit to Moscow, the system is coming sooner than the original 2021-end delivery date. To evaluate another system and have that system tie in to the existing air defence network will take time and money, neither of which India has right now.

Why cant the Russians provide one of their new S400s that's been deployed already, why wait for one to get manufactured ?

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Rakesh » 29 Jun 2020 22:37

kit wrote:Why cant the Russians provide one of their new S400s that's been deployed already, why wait for one to get manufactured ?

Someone recently said that Indian S-400s are customized for India. What the level of customization is, is anyone's guess and should not be out in the public domain anyway. I doubt we can just take an operational Russian system and do a plug-and-play on it. That will not work and would render the system ineffective. And that is assuming the Russians are willing to have a gap in their air defence system to accommodate India.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby NRao » 29 Jun 2020 22:37

kit wrote:Why cant the Russians provide one of their new S400s that's been deployed already, why wait for one to get manufactured ?

I would be reeeealy impressed with Rajnath if he could convince the Russians to part with their non-export version. Maybe the Russians could remove non-export parts as they fly the S400 to India. :)

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby abhik » 29 Jun 2020 22:43

S400 and THAAD are not really analogues, later almost certainly better at anti IRBM area protection (with zero anti air capabilities)... has been discussed thread bare before. Besides "free" THAAD deployment is reserved only for Platinum class US alliance members, we haven't paid up to get that membership.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby V_Raman » 29 Jun 2020 23:03

KL Dubey wrote:
sanjayc wrote:59 Chinese apps banned in India including Tik Tok


Great news. Goremint is moving quickly...the TikTok account of Mygov.in has also been deleted at the same time.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/centre-announces-ban-chinese-apps-privacy-issues-1695265-2020-06-29

Here's the full list...WeChat is also banned.


They are prepping for option #1 it looks like. Jai Hind!

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby ldev » 29 Jun 2020 23:13

nash wrote:
https://m.economictimes.com/news/defence/ladakh-standoff-indias-allies-pitching-in-with-weapons-ammunition/amp_articleshow/76680551.cms?fbclid=IwAR1EKp8KDBV9gJkswrHBULTBKKhVSlPVlBnEvJ7dEVvz0-7IHEb_rJRtduM

France has promised to deliver additional Rafale jets next month, an in-service Israeli air defence system is expected soon, precision artillery rounds will be sent by the US, and Russia will make early deliveries of ammunition and weapons worth $1 billion.


Which Israeli ADS will it be? Iron Dome or David's sling or Arrow?


My bet would be on David's sling.

In operation with the IDF since early 2017. It will eventually replace Patriot 104 systems with the IDF.

Developed with funding and technology from the US via Raytheon.

Offered to India in the past

160 km+ range via a 2 stage interceptor missile called the Stunner. Can be used against planes, CMs and ballistic missiles in the DF-15 class (which will be the PLA Rocket Forces primary SRBM targeting IAF bases and maybe civilian infrastructure.)

US looking at integrating the Stunner missile with Patriot 3 radars for US service (to be called PAC-4), the Stunner provides a longer range vs the single stage Patriot missiles. In IDF service an Elta radar is used.

1 or 2 units will provide coverage to all of Ladakh

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Mukesh.Kumar » 29 Jun 2020 23:25

The Prime Minister will be addressing the nation tomorrow at 1600 IST.

https://www.businessinsider.in/india/news/pm-narendra-modi-will-address-the-nation-at-4-pm-tomorrow/articleshow/76696511.cms

Wonder what gives.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby bharathp » 29 Jun 2020 23:29

Mukesh.Kumar wrote:The Prime Minister will be addressing the nation tomorrow at 1600 IST.

https://www.businessinsider.in/india/news/pm-narendra-modi-will-address-the-nation-at-4-pm-tomorrow/articleshow/76696511.cms

Wonder what gives.


this looks to be interesting. cant wait for the address..
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Dilbu » 29 Jun 2020 23:31

Covid

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby kumarn » 29 Jun 2020 23:31

Must be about unlock!

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Aditya_V » 29 Jun 2020 23:36

Operation for recovery of Aksai Chin- highly unlikely.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Rakesh » 29 Jun 2020 23:38

Guys, please let Prime Minister Modi make the announcement and then we can analyse. Stop guessing and filling up the thread. No more please.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby NRao » 29 Jun 2020 23:47

Nice. Now Google/Apple should allow for software to remove Chinese Apps (which one of them had disallowed)

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Pass time data on handful of the banned Chinese apps:

A few interesting stats about Chinese apps in India:

- TikTok: 611 million downloads in India (30% of total)
- SHAREIt: 3rd most active app in India after WhatsApp and FB
- UC Browser has 13% market share in India (2nd to Chrome at 75%)

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Dilbu » 29 Jun 2020 23:48

Third Round Of Border Talks With Chinese Commanders Tomorrow: Sources
New Delhi: A third round of talks will be held between commanders of the Indian and Chinese armies tomorrow -- two weeks after the clash at Ladakh's Galwan Valley in which 20 soldiers were killed in action -- government sources have said. The Lieutenant-General-level talks will be focussed on reducing tension at the Line of Actual Control – the de facto border between India and China.

In the last round of talks on June 22 at Moldo, which is on the Chinese side of the Line of Actual Control -- the commanders had agreed to step back from the confrontation along a disputed stretch of border.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby NRao » 29 Jun 2020 23:53

China at its best. Arrogantly confident.

China Slammed For Petty Conditional Offer To Help India Fight Locusts; 'no One Trusts You'

China's government-backed media Global Times on Monday reported that Chinese experts had the capacity to provide specialist pesticides to India to fight the locust attack in the country, but they would only provide them if the Indian side 'asked for it'. The Chinese mouthpiece also stated that India must 'create conditions' in order to receive aid from China.


Gem.
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Dilbu » 29 Jun 2020 23:54

Global Crimes is still trying to scare India using its irritating condescending tone.
Indian nationalism may sink trade with China over 30%
China and India have developed close economic ties in the past years, with both sides maintaining comparative advantages in certain sectors like auto manufacturing, telecommunications and pharmaceuticals. Highly dependent on Chinese supplies, many Indian industries cannot afford an irrational boycott of Chinese components. It would take India years of huge efforts to find a substitute, either by shoring up its own industries or luring investment from other countries.

Although the two countries have seen expanding economic cooperation in previous years, India has also complained of its trade deficit with China. Rather than asking China to narrow the deficit, it is more critical for India to reflect on its own industrial competitiveness as global trade is related with the rule of comparative advantages.

With a large population and unfavorable medical system, it is critical for the country to first contain the viral spread in order to resume economic growth, and to cool down its nationalism and devise wise and rational strategies based on economic principles, rather than allowing its economic policy to be kidnapped by wild nationalism.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Dilbu » 29 Jun 2020 23:57

China still silent on Galwan casualties; failing to silence kin of slain soldiers: Report
Despite suffering multiple casualties in a violent faceoff with India in the Galwan Valley area, China has still not disclosed how many of its soldiers were killed in the incident.

This decision of the Chinese Communist Party has upset Chinese families who lost their loved ones in the incident, US-based Breitbart News has reported.

According to Breitbart, the Chinese government is struggling to silence the families of soldiers who are using Weibo and other platforms to vent their anger and frustration.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby NRao » 30 Jun 2020 00:02

A lot of talk - no action, but, the title does sound enticing.

US, Japan, India, Australia & ASEAN To Join Hands To Counter A ‘Belligerent’ China

Japan has laid out plans to strengthen collaboration with India, Australia and ASEAN nations while China continues to make headlines for its increasing hostile presence in the East China Sea attracting conflict with Tokyo.

In an attempt to advance regional strategy with the US, India and Australia, Japan’s Ministry of Defence has intended to establish a new team solely responsible for the Indo-Pacific affairs.

It is reported that the change expected to be implemented by next month will also see the ministry assigning another international affairs officer to its Bureau of Defence Policy, which will eventually double its staff for coordination with countries other than the US.

The primary focus of the new official in the bureau’s International Policy Division will be to focus on cooperation with quasi-allies India and Australia, as well as Southeast Asian nations. It is also reported that the U.S. has also been looking speed-up country’s cooperation with the Quad that involves Australia, India and Japan.

In the past 2 months, Japan’s defence minister Taro Kono called on the respective counterparts in India, Southeast Asian nations and other nations that all along the Indian Ocean sea lanes to garner support against China’s alleged presence.

As reported by EurAsian Times previously, Japanese coastguards had recently announced that Chinese government ships had been spotted in the waters near the Senakaku/Diaoyu Islands every day since mid-April.

The conflict on the uninhabited disputed islands has been brewing for decades and could see the involvement of the US due to its mutual defence treaty with Japan. Japan’s media notes that the organizational expansion by the Ministry showcases the importance that Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s government pays to the “Free and Open Indo-Pacific Strategy”.

The US-China rivalry


The Free and Open Indo-Pacific strategy often viewed as a counter to China’s Belt and Road Initiative was launched by the Japanese PM at the Sixth Tokyo International Conference on African Development (TICAD) in 2016. However, China’s trillion-dollar BRI stands much higher than Japan’s Free and Open Indo-Pacific strategy.

The U.S. also a partner in the strategy is perceived by international experts as a counter to Beijing’s increasing global influence on trade and technology.

“The accumulation of economic power and digital influence is the greatest concern in the next decade because it gives Beijing new tools as a revisionist power to try to coerce their neighbours and rewrite the order. It could impact the balance of national security,” tells Eric Sayers, former special assistant to the commander of U.S. Pacific Command (PACOM).

Experts speculate that since the U.S. does not hold much experience in investing in Southeast Asia and the Pacific nations due to which it relies on allies like Japan. To rate and certify infrastructure plans in the Asia-Pacific, the United States, Japan and Australia also established the Blue Dot Network (BDN) in November 2019.

U.S. President Donald Trump said that the BDN was “a major initiative to ensure countries around the world have access to private sector-led, sustainable and trustworthy options for high-quality infrastructure development.”

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby pankajs » 30 Jun 2020 00:10

Has this been posted .

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 680551.cms
Ladakh standoff: India's allies pitching in with weapons and ammunition

France: Rafale
Israel: Some somenamed Air defense system
Russia: ammunition and missiles
US: Intelligence and satellite imagery plus ammunition

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Postby Rakesh » 30 Jun 2020 00:16

I think someone did, but no harm in reposting pankaj.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby NRao » 30 Jun 2020 00:19

Four types of Chinese apps making big money in India — experts believe at least three should be done away with

*** Experts believe that among the four types of Chinese apps — economic apps, vanity apps, nuisance apps and ones used for Chinese propaganda — at least three can be pushed out of the market.

*** They believe that for India to gain leverage, banning Chinese apps will be more favourable for the Indian economy than banning physical goods.

*** According to Blaise Fernandes, director at Mumbai-based thinktank Gateway House, the Indian government is within its rights to ban apps that spread misinformation under Section 69A of the IT Act 2000.


The Indian app economy is valuable to China with more than 800 million smartphone users eager and willing to lap up content on their devices. Experts believe instead of boycotting physical goods — which would adversely impact India’s economy as well — focusing on the virtual and technology sector would yield better results. Especially, when it comes to apps.

Blaise Fernandes, director with Mumbai-based thinktank Gateway House, explains that there are essentially four types of Chinese apps functioning in India — apps with economic viability, vanity apps, apps with nuisance value and, finally, those used to push Chinese propaganda.

Apart from apps with an economic edge — like payments apps that attract investment and provide employment— others can be done away with without any repercussion for India while also having a heavy impact on the valuations of Chinese companies.

“Ideally, an economic boycott should be such that it has a disproportionate effect on the other side, so rather than stopping the purchase of plastic toys or drugs from China, we should aiming for higher-value industries and that’s where the technology and virtual sector comes in,” explained Amit Bhandari from Gateway House.

Vanity apps that hold value for Chinese companies

“Baidu, Alibaba and Tencent are part of the digital ‘Silk Route’ of China… Any disruption in the Indian market is going to have an impact on the valuations of these companies,” said Fernandes. He explained that if vanity apps disappear from the Indian market then the daily lives of Indians are not going to bear an impact.

Citing the example of TikTok, he said that 30% of the app’s users are Indian and 10% of its revenue comes from India.

Blocking apps in the interest of national security

The second category of apps that can disappear is nuisance apps — apps used to create disharmony and misinformation. Blaise believes that the government is well within its rights to use Section 68A of the IT Act 2000 to block such apps from the market.

In light of the India-China skirmish along the Line of Actual Control (LAC), gives the Indian government to block access to apps by the public in the “interest of sovereignty and integrity of India, defence of India, security of the state, friendly relations with foreign states or public order for preventing incitement.”

These apps can be banned immediately on the grounds of causing mayhem, spreading misinformation or rumours, and laying on sectoral violence.

Chinese propaganda machines

The final category of apps that don’t serve Indian interests is those that have investments from the Chinese government.

“There’s very distinction between the Chinese government and Chinese companies,” he explained. Even the US has classified a number of Chinese television stations, like People’s Daily etc, as Chinese propaganda machines and not as media companies.

Rather than boycotting physical goods — which would also be harmful to the Indian economy — boycotting virtual goods would give India a bigger advantage on the global stage. Anything India does to the app economy will have an impact on the valuation of Chinese companies worldwide.


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Postby nam » 30 Jun 2020 00:35

In terms of capital goods, it is Taiwanese, SK & japanese who are the real deal.

The Chini companies using their CCP subsidies under quote their products and services and drive off competition in the Indian markets.

Yes we should not boycott Chinese manufactured goods, but we should make it really hard for Chinese companies. NOT goods but proper Chinese OWNED companies access in to Indian markets.

The space should be given to Taiwan, SK & Japan companies and in return ask them to start producing components in India, which they were doing in China. We should force these companies to move out of China, if they want preference access in to Indian market.

This way you kick out Chinese companies and slowly kick out Chinese produced components. If alternate source is expensive, then it will become financially viable to produce it in India.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby NRao » 30 Jun 2020 00:38

China Crafts New Dispute In Bhutan Wildlife Sanctuary Bordering India

The Saktemg Wildlife Refuse is SOUTH-EAST of Tawang (AP) in Bhutan !!!!!!!!!!

China’s land grab exercise is not limited to its attempt at altering the status quo in East China Sea, South China Sea and with India but with the Himalayan Kingdom of Bhutan too. According to reports coming from Washington DC, China raised a new, non-existent dispute with Bhutan at a virtual meeting of the Global Environment Facility (GEF) held as recently as June 2-3. The Council was meeting to decide on funding for various environmental projects across the world. One of the projects seeking funds was the Sakteng Wildlife Sanctuary (SWS) in eastern Bhutan’s Trashigang district bordering India (Arunachal Pradesh) and China (see map).

As the SWS request came up for discussion, sources said, the Chinese member of the GEF Council raised objections against the proposal contending that the sanctuary was located in a disputed area between Bhutan and China. The objection came as a shock to the Council meeting but the GEF Secretariat immediately rebutted the Chinese contention pointing out that the SWS was located within the sovereign territory of Bhutan, the sources added.

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Postby nam » 30 Jun 2020 00:40

I keep saying the real power of Chini is Taiwan,SK, Japan tech and US market access. They created China. They want to keep it going, want the Chini market and production, but all the ho ha is to make China behave as they want.

We need to give them an alternative.

If US wants to bring down Chinis, take this away from them. Then they can sell their stuff to Africa or Middle east by paying large bribes.
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby NRao » 30 Jun 2020 00:41

Well, Wall Street will collapse too.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Philip » 30 Jun 2020 00:43

Dilbu,the scaremongers portending disaster for the Indian economy if we abandon Chinese goods and tech. are the latter- day Quis-Lings, surrender monkeys ,or should I say " surender" monkeys instead! These abject species shamefully Indian have a deep ingrained DNA of servitude stemming from a lust to kiss a master's backside,white and British in yesteryear,yellow and Chin this century.

Years ago I was filled with deep shame and utter disgust when the then PM,Snake- Oil Singh on a visit to the UK to his old university ,gushed with emotion that " everything that gave him success,was what he had learnt while there",or words to that effect. Had he learnt nothing from his motherland then? What an insult to the 1+billion people he was supposed to be leader of! It was such a demeaning servile speech that NO Indian leader had ever given abroad. I remember reading with pride what Mrs.Gandhi publicly told EU leaders when on a visit castigating them, that " when you Europeans came to India it was the richest country in the world,but when you left it,it was one of the poorest".

The doomsayers and their fellow travellers have no confidence in the ingenuity of India and our Indian scientists,innovators and skilled workforce.I still wonder with pride the incredible effort of our rocket scientists everytime I see the photo of our first sounding rocket launched at Thumba decades ago,remembering well as a youngster that historic milestone when it happened,the rocket carried on a bicycle! Today when plans for our second major sat. launching centre is planned near Tuticorin for LEO polar sats, one realises the staggering achievement that has been accomplished by legends like Vikram Sarabhai,Satish Dhawan,Abdul Kalam and a host of other ISRO heads and project directors in such a short time that too with .little outsidf help,for thf most part denied western rocket and spacd tech.

Therefore to imagine that we cannot replace cheap quality Chin toys,fireworks,refrigerators,cell phones,computer hardware, apps,auto components,blah,blah, is an apostasy! Such Chin agents should be thrown into the Bay of Bengal and asked to swim to China! In the interim we may have a few crucial shortfalls,but there are many MNCs,OEMs from other nations who can " chip in",pardon the pun. They say to stop addiction to fags,tobacco,is to simply stop one day.In similar fashion we must de-addict ourselves from everything Chinese by stopping purchases of everything Chinese right NOW..

The banning of Chin apps like tik-tok,,etc. on the news right now is a splendid move ( I salute the govt.), in the pursuit of our campaign and goal,sending the message to fuhrer XiI and his crypto- Commie cronies," Quit India",both cheap Chin crap as well as our sacred territory that they have occupied since 1962..

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby KLNMurthy » 30 Jun 2020 00:50

mahadevbhu wrote:
sajaym wrote:
This gives me the hope that in case our C-17s/C-130s/Apaches/Chinooks suffer extraordinary attrition in a war with the Chinks, U.S. may (just may be) replace them from 'in-service' stocks. 8)


1. How far is that from actually having some US Army regiments land in New Delhi and actually be taken straight to ladakh to the China border to join hands in a border fight?

2. Is it possible to get a few US Army troops to "observe" or have an exercise or two with the US Army in those areas at this time?

3. US, Russia, Israel, France - we get sigint, humint and weapons purchases for cold, hard cash from them. With whom can we expect a "pincer" movement, like the Chinis can expect the Pakis to do in their aid? None, at the moment - we did see the 3 aircraft carriers in the South China Sea in order to send the Chini's a signal, but will they do a shock&awe on Shanghai, if push comes to shove? But it was heartening to see some sort of a coordinated action by Japan and the US in their spheres respectively in support of India, it sent the right signals. However, them coming to our aid in case of an all-out war is not clear at the moment.

4. The US wants India to give the Chini's a bloody nose. They have a clown as president with not much sense of strategy - in fact he was asking Xi Jinping to buy corn from his voters so that they would re-elect him. If WW3 is going to be breaking out soon - conditions are there - strong leaders all around the world, a great depression in the world economy, a WW broke out this time the last century when these conditions were met.

can we stay in the realm of the real world to some extent at least? USA is not going to put their troops between India and China. India wouldn't want US troop deployment on its soil.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby NRao » 30 Jun 2020 00:53

Now we are talking.

India Suspects China May Be Sending Power Equipment With Malware

"We have reports that malware and Trojan horse can be installed which can be activated remotely to bring down the power sector and the economy," Singh said. "So we have decided, because it is a sensitive sector, whatever equipment is made in India, we will purchase them. And those that are not made in India, we will import but check thoroughly to rule out the presence of any malware or Trojan horse."

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby darshan » 30 Jun 2020 01:00

GoI needs to activate India's techies and provide them incentives to tear things apart and pump out vulnerabilities, call home, etc.

Who knows Chinese may have even silenced some already to not get picked up.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Larry Walker » 30 Jun 2020 01:03

https://twitter.com/joe_sameer/status/1 ... 41920?s=19
Unconfirmed, yet probable. PLAAF J-11 and J-10s induct into PAF fields at RYK & Sukkur. If true, the aim will be to tie down IAF WAC resources in the plains far away from the skies over Ladakh. PLAAF IL-78 refuellers also staging through Skardu from Hotan 1/2
Presence of IL-78s indicates availability of Su-30MKKs in the zone. These will be in addition to J-11s at Nygari, which have Ops limitations due altitude of the airfield. Su-30MKKs likely to be present from Shakagam side & abeam DBO, while the J-11s patrol southern Aksai Chin 2/2

This account appears to be an aviation bluff posting relevant snippets - so not sure how much truth to this.


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