India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby nachiket » 30 Jun 2020 01:10

Larry Walker wrote:This account appears to be an aviation bluff posting relevant snippets - so not sure how much truth to this.

Sameer Joshi is a retired IAF pilot.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Cain Marko » 30 Jun 2020 01:18

idan wrote:American THAAD is still in Israel. In all likelihood we can see a THAAD in action in Ladakh and that will be a strong message to the dilly-dallying Russians.

Uhh I understand your desire to vent vs the russkis, but why exactly are you expecting to see thaad in action in ladakh? Are the Chinese going to use TBMs? Or are you planning to shoot down their choppers and fighters with an ABM?

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Rohit_K » 30 Jun 2020 01:18

May be of interest to some. China's CRRC was silently booted out in the technical stage

Bombardier Wins Kanpur & Agra Metro’s 201 Coach Rolling Stock & Signalling Contract

Bombardier Transportation today emerged as the lowest bidder for supplying 201 standard gauge coaches (rolling stock) including the train-control and signalling system for the 32.385 km Kanpur Metro and 29.40 km Agra Metro‘s Phase 1 projects.

L2: BEML - Hitachi
L3: Alstom

CRRC’s technical bid was rejected, so their financial bid was not opened.


If and when awarded, this will be Bombardier’s second major win in 2 months. Back in May, they won the 82.15 km Delhi – Meerut RRTS line’s rolling stock contract for 210 coaches (30x6 + 10x3) which they intend to manufacture at their Savli, Gujarat facility.
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Dilbu » 30 Jun 2020 01:20

Ladakh standoff: India's allies pitching in with weapons and ammunition
NEW DELHI: As Indian troops remain dug in at Ladakh in a prolonged standoff with China, allies are pitching in with commitments to deliver urgently needed weapons and ammunition for the Indian armed forces. France has promised to deliver additional Rafale jets next month, an in-service Israeli air defence system is expected soon, precision artillery rounds will be sent by the US, and Russia will make early deliveries of ammunition and weapons worth $1 billion.

Given that most land-based systems such as tanks and armoured carriers are of Russian origin, India is looking for a variety of ammunition that will be required in the event of a larger conflict. The air force is looking for urgent supply of air-dropped bombs and missiles while the army requires anti-tank missiles and man-portable air defence systems for the border.

India’s newest strategic partner – the US – has already been helping out with vital intelligence and satellite imagery that give military planners clarity on the border situation. Sources said that the US has invited India to share a list of all requirements with a commitment to be of assistance at the earliest.

In particular, additional Excalibur artillery rounds have been ordered on an emergency basis. The precision attack rounds with a range of over 40 km are used in a variety of artillery guns in the Indian inventory, including the M 777s that are designed for mountain warfare. These rounds are known for their accuracy and damage potential and have been tried and tested by the army.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby nachiket » 30 Jun 2020 01:26

They aren't allies, they are suppliers. We are paying for all the hardware (probably extra too now for emergency purchases). Only the apparent intelligence sharing by the US seems different.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Cain Marko » 30 Jun 2020 01:27

SSridhar wrote:The Americans wanted us to buy THAAD instead of S-400

True. But we didn't want an ABM, not when we have one of our own. What was needed was a SAM system with ultra long range. The s400 does that at multiple levels...400km, 200km, 120km and finally 40km. Basically it is a very powerful multi layered system with effective AIRBM capacity. Thaad, I'm not sure has this comprehensive capability. Totally different.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Cain Marko » 30 Jun 2020 01:31

KL Dubey wrote:
AshishAcharya wrote:https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/india/story/chinese-build-up-faces-roadblocks-in-galwan-valley-1695170-2020-06-29?__twitter_impression=true

Seems nature is also against Chinese.


I posted earlier this would likely happen...but did not expect it to see it start so soon. I wonder what open-source info is available on the seasonal hydrology of Galwan/Shyok etc ?

There are noises coming... about cracks in the 3 gorges dam as well...

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Cain Marko » 30 Jun 2020 01:34

Lovely. That's a UPG for sure. Ugly as hell.

Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/strategic_front/status/1277264343759941633?s=20 ---> MiG-29 over Leh in Ladakh on Friday, June 26.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Cain Marko » 30 Jun 2020 01:37

kit wrote:
Rakesh wrote:India has made significant investments in the S-400 system. The IAF wants the system and with Rajnath Singh's visit to Moscow, the system is coming sooner than the original 2021-end delivery date. To evaluate another system and have that system tie in to the existing air defence network will take time and money, neither of which India has right now.

Why cant the Russians provide one of their new S400s that's been deployed already, why wait for one to get manufactured ?

You'll need a trained crew to manage whats a very complex system.... That will take time. But I won't be surprised if we get a battery in place within months.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Rakesh » 30 Jun 2020 01:38

October 2020 is what they are saying. That is like 3+ months away.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby k prasad » 30 Jun 2020 01:39

Arunachal to Ladakh, China Has Intruded: Can India Stay in Denial?
https://www.thequint.com/amp/story/videos%2Fnews-videos%2Findia-china-standoff-from-arunachal-to-ladakh-china-incursions-dont-seem-to-stop

Not sure how accurate this is, but it's a good primer.

One question for gurus and gaarus here... If the Chinese incursions are beyond 2 km inside the LAC, even within our existing diplomatic protocols and structures, se are free to go weapons hot, yes? The Y junction, for one seems to be a place with the deepest incursion.

There's also the Chinese Radar installation very close to the LAC on the Depsang Plains which would be antithetical to the treaty agreements.

Then again, all this goes out the window if Modi decides the treaties are no longer applicable considering Chinese aggressions, incursions and encroachment.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Raveen » 30 Jun 2020 01:46

Quint? Not trustworthy

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby ldev » 30 Jun 2020 01:56

Cain Marko wrote:
kit wrote:Why cant the Russians provide one of their new S400s that's been deployed already, why wait for one to get manufactured ?

You'll need a trained crew to manage whats a very complex system.... That will take time. But I won't be surprised if we get a battery in place within months.

Usual Russian FUD. The original delivery date for the first system was October 2020. Then earlier this year the Russians said that because of Covid first delivery will be delayed by 14 months to December 2021. Then Rajnath Singh went to Moscow and now supposedly the Russians are back on to the original scheduled delivery date of October 2020.

Frankly the Israeli David Sling system (if that is the one which is being deployed from IDF stock), within the range limitations that it has will integrate much better with MRSAM in a layered AD system.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby idan » 30 Jun 2020 01:59

Cain Marko wrote:
idan wrote:American THAAD is still in Israel. In all likelihood we can see a THAAD in action in Ladakh and that will be a strong message to the dilly-dallying Russians.

Uhh I understand your desire to vent vs the russkis, but why exactly are you expecting to see thaad in action in ladakh? Are the Chinese going to use TBMs? Or are you planning to shoot down their choppers and fighters with an ABM?


Did Hezbollah possess any of those TBMs?

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby ldev » 30 Jun 2020 02:07

idan wrote:
Cain Marko wrote:Uhh I understand your desire to vent vs the russkis, but why exactly are you expecting to see thaad in action in ladakh? Are the Chinese going to use TBMs? Or are you planning to shoot down their choppers and fighters with an ABM?


Did Hezbollah possess any of those TBMs?


THAAD/Arrow deployment in Israel is for Iranian BMs. For purely IRBM interception India has a homegrown system, primarily to defend against nuclear attack via BMs. And so neither Arrow or THAAD is what India is looking for in this confrontation with China. What India is lacking is the next lower rung in the AD layer, a versatile AD system can can defend against a mix of SRBMs, planes and CMs. That is where the S400 buy comes in. But as usual, Russian delivery schedules are suspect and when India needs that component of the AD system right here and now it is only the Israelis that could step up and provide a system from IDF stock to be deployed and provide the AD protection needed. Immediate delivery from Russian stock of S400 cannot be done for all kinds of excuses reasons, such as it is specialized, needs training, Russian translation, India specific components yada yada. I suspect the real reason is that if there is a rush delivery from Russian Air Force stock, Russian operators/technicians will be needed to handhold for some time. And given the close Russian relationship with China, the last thing Russia wants is to have Russian personnel on Indian soil, when the balloon goes up actively helping the IAF shoot down PLAAF planes.
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby k prasad » 30 Jun 2020 02:09

Raveen wrote:Quint? Not trustworthy


Honestly, I don't trust ANY news sources these days. Instead, I try and pour through a whole bunch of different sources across time periods to see what news is consistent, and more importantly, reporting with different verbiages (to try and neutralize any concerted propaganda).

In this case, the quint reporting seems to match up with other reports... Especially the 100 hill info from arunachal.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby ramana » 30 Jun 2020 02:16

Rohit_K wrote:May be of interest to some. China's CRRC was silently booted out in the technical stage

Bombardier Wins Kanpur & Agra Metro’s 201 Coach Rolling Stock & Signalling Contract

Bombardier Transportation today emerged as the lowest bidder for supplying 201 standard gauge coaches (rolling stock) including the train-control and signalling system for the 32.385 km Kanpur Metro and 29.40 km Agra Metro‘s Phase 1 projects.

L2: BEML - Hitachi
L3: Alstom

CRRC’s technical bid was rejected, so their financial bid was not opened.


If and when awarded, this will be Bombardier’s second major win in 2 months. Back in May, they won the 82.15 km Delhi – Meerut RRTS line’s rolling stock contract for 210 coaches (30x6 + 10x3) which they intend to manufacture at their Savli, Gujarat facility.



Why say booted out when it did not meet the technical specs.
Booted would be when they were chosen and the contract given to others.
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Narad » 30 Jun 2020 02:16

There are noises coming... about cracks in the 3 gorges dam as well...

Satellite pics show that the dam has considerably warped at may points. It is a ticking time bomb. IMG

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby jagga » 30 Jun 2020 02:20

Rakesh wrote:
jagga wrote:Could someone please provide me the link to the old youtube video link of Ajay Shukla giving interview to NDTV? This was when chinease intruded into India during UPA and he was giving the spin that it is all normal etc. One on the posters posted that video here in this thread but I am not able to locate it. Thanks

Is this the video?

https://twitter.com/Suhas_AN/status/127 ... 83201?s=20

Yes this is the one Sirji, thanks.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Larry Walker » 30 Jun 2020 02:20

https://twitter.com/FrontalAssault1/sta ... 51210?s=19
Expect Pompeo call to Shah Mehmood Quereshi very soon with a message from India delivered to him.

This is mirch masala acct - but why would Pompeo call SMQ - will it be to deliver msg not to open 2nd front on India when the balloon goes up against Chinese ?

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby ramana » 30 Jun 2020 02:22

India can deliver own messages via Spice 2K.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby KLNMurthy » 30 Jun 2020 02:23

Raveen wrote:Quint? Not trustworthy

Quint belongs to Bloomberg, and China is Michael Bloomberg's bread & butter. He maintains tight control over what his media properties do. There have been whistleblower articles with leaked internal Bloomberg emails about suppressing business articles that would displease China.

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Postby Ambar » 30 Jun 2020 02:28

The other owners are Raghav Bahl and his wife Ritu Kapur , the couple are your dyed in wool Lutyen media elites with a pathological hatred for BJP and Modi. Do not give clicks to sites that actively harm India, the most prominent among them are the Quint, the Wire, Caravan, altnews, the print and ofcourse ruNDTV.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby chaitanya » 30 Jun 2020 02:30

Narad wrote:
There are noises coming... about cracks in the 3 gorges dam as well...

Satellite pics show that the dam has considerably warped at may points. It is a ticking time bomb. IMG


Definitely some OSINT experts were involved in this... its pretty clear there is image distortion going on (see the image on the edges). Google maps shows a perfectly straight dam...

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Raveen » 30 Jun 2020 02:55

Narad wrote:
There are noises coming... about cracks in the 3 gorges dam as well...

Satellite pics show that the dam has considerably warped at may points. It is a ticking time bomb. IMG



That's a terrible PS job

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Postby Raveen » 30 Jun 2020 02:56

Ambar wrote:The other owners are Raghav Bahl and his wife Ritu Kapur , the couple are your dyed in wool Lutyen media elites with a pathological hatred for BJP and Modi. Do not give clicks to sites that actively harm India, the most prominent among them are the Quint, the Wire, Caravan, altnews, the print and ofcourse ruNDTV.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Jay » 30 Jun 2020 03:34

Narad wrote:
There are noises coming... about cracks in the 3 gorges dam as well...

Satellite pics show that the dam has considerably warped at may points. It is a ticking time bomb. IMG


This picture has been debunked before. The warping shown in the picture is because of the image source stitching multiple pictures together. As for the dam itself, I will be surprised if something of this stature if allowed to crumble and lose structural integrity in the first place, but the picture most definitely is not how the dam looks.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Cain Marko » 30 Jun 2020 03:36

idan wrote:
Cain Marko wrote:Uhh I understand your desire to vent vs the russkis, but why exactly are you expecting to see thaad in action in ladakh? Are the Chinese going to use TBMs? Or are you planning to shoot down their choppers and fighters with an ABM?


Did Hezbollah possess any of those TBMs?

Did Israel use thaad against Hezbollah? Is Israel expecting to use it against an irbm launched by them?

Or are they planning to use it against Hezbollah rockets?

Basic question remains... Are you expecting a BM attack in ladakh? Because you do know that the thaad is mainly an ABM system, right?

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby KL Dubey » 30 Jun 2020 04:37

We should massively use drones for psychological warfare: regularly drop pamphlets on the Chinese forces..."The CCP is pushing you into battle for no reason except to sit on barren plots of land. If you are killed, your family's line will be wiped out for ever. You have never seen a real war, but the Indians are battle-hardened killers. Think carefully and save your family!" The psychological impact will be massive, especially after the carnage delivered by 16 Bihar. When push comes to shove, such soldiers are more likely to panic/surrender.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby nachiket » 30 Jun 2020 04:47

idan wrote:American THAAD is still in Israel. In all likelihood we can see a THAAD in action in Ladakh and that will be a strong message to the dilly-dallying Russians

No. We are not going to see THAAD in Ladakh or anywhere on Indian soil.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Primus » 30 Jun 2020 04:47

Raveen wrote:
Narad wrote:Satellite pics show that the dam has considerably warped at may points. It is a ticking time bomb. IMG



That's a terrible PS job


Poor stitching. Anybody who knows even a little bit of PS could do a better job.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby samirdiw » 30 Jun 2020 04:55

Aren't there some advantages to starting the attack on our choice instead of waiting for them to attack? If the govt is waiting for a moral ground dont they realize that chinese dont have any morals and nobody is going to punish the chinese for poor morals?

If we attack first and take a good chunk of chinese territory they will have to put aside their plans and focus on that area first. How many troops and equipment can we take out in the initial wave? Wouldn't that buy time before additional chinese troops are brought in from elsewhere. If they redeploy a large number of troops it will give the Taiwanese a great opportunity to declare freedom, a chance they may never get again. This will force Xi between a rock and a hard place...and forcefully bring in Americans to the game.One thing Modi should not do is agree to a quick ceasefire/be forced back to negotiation..the more an actual war gets dragged on..the more other countries join in..all but 1 in India's favor.

How long can we carry on (removing the climate problem) before it becomes a war of attrition?

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Postby pankajs » 30 Jun 2020 05:32

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A New Series.China:The Serial Aggressor. How Beijing suddenly argued the Sakteng Wildlife Sanctuary in East Bhutan is in a disputed area. #Exclusive @nitingokhale @PMBhutan @Indiainbhutan @tourismbhutan @IndiainBhutanCG @theGEF @DrSJaishankar @RuchiraKamboj

Doklam still rankles the Chinese.

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Postby Vivasvat » 30 Jun 2020 05:33

CanSino's COVID-19 vaccine candidate approved for military use in China.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-vaccine/cansinos-covid-19-vaccine-candidate-approved-for-military-use-in-china-idUSKBN2400DZ
China's military has received the greenlight to use a COVID-19 vaccine candidate developed by its research unit and CanSino Biologics (6185.HK) after clinical trials proved it was safe and showed some efficacy

The vaccine candidate was developed jointly by CanSino and a research institute at the Academy of Military Science (AMS)

"The Ad5-nCoV is currently limited to military use only and its use cannot be expanded to a broader vaccination range without the approval of the Logistics Support Department," CanSino said, referring to the Central Military Commission department which approved the military use of the vaccine.

The military approval follows China's decision earlier this month to offer two other vaccine candidates to employees at state-owned firms travelling overseas.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Cain Marko » 30 Jun 2020 06:17

KL Dubey wrote:We should massively use drones for psychological warfare: regularly drop pamphlets on the Chinese forces..."The CCP is pushing you into battle for no reason except to sit on barren plots of land. If you are killed, your family's line will be wiped out for ever. You have never seen a real war, but the Indians are battle-hardened killers. Think carefully and save your family!" The psychological impact will be massive, especially after the carnage delivered by 16 Bihar. When push comes to shove, such soldiers are more likely to panic/surrender.

Ditto in PoK, in karara, paak lakhnawi Urdu wonlee..

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby suryag » 30 Jun 2020 06:22

CCP wants to now grab territory from Bhutan ? they did the same with Kazakh, Tajik, Kyrgyz. There is absolutely no conscience or Dharma when it comes to CCP's behaviour, it reminds me of Krishna's yada yada hi dharmasya ...

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby ks_sachin » 30 Jun 2020 06:44

samirdiw wrote:Aren't there some advantages to starting the attack on our choice instead of waiting for them to attack? If the govt is waiting for a moral ground dont they realize that chinese dont have any morals and nobody is going to punish the chinese for poor morals?

If we attack first and take a good chunk of chinese territory they will have to put aside their plans and focus on that area first. How many troops and equipment can we take out in the initial wave? Wouldn't that buy time before additional chinese troops are brought in from elsewhere. If they redeploy a large number of troops it will give the Taiwanese a great opportunity to declare freedom, a chance they may never get again. This will force Xi between a rock and a hard place...and forcefully bring in Americans to the game.One thing Modi should not do is agree to a quick ceasefire/be forced back to negotiation..the more an actual war gets dragged on..the more other countries join in..all but 1 in India's favor.

How long can we carry on (removing the climate problem) before it becomes a war of attrition?


In your plan above there are too many things that are not in your control or you have no idea how things will pan out. In that situation it is best to fight local tactical battles where the likelihood is that the response is also going to be tactical in nature.
Also our posture is defensive and we do not have the numerical or logistical superiority to sustain anything other than a short sharp engagement.

What makes you think that Taiwan will declare freedom or that Americans will come in or that other countries will join in India’s favour?

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Postby Raveen » 30 Jun 2020 06:52

I assure you, the US either covertly or overtly will gladly back us in a war against the Han. Based on the ammo, intelligence, and satellite imagery they're sharing now, plus the three CBGs, I think it'll be a little overt and a lot covertly.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby NRao » 30 Jun 2020 07:01

Why a Trade War With China Is a Bad Idea for India

New Delhi risks responding to a deadly border skirmish by making its economy more insular. Few things would benefit Beijing more.

BY JAMES CRABTREE | JUNE 29, 2020, 2:50 PM

Relations between the United States and China have sunk to such lows in recent years that it is now easy enough to imagine the two nations eventually going to war. Yet this month’s deadly Himalayan skirmishes suggest China is far likelier to usher in a new era of military conflict with its neighbor India.

Both nations now face dilemmas as they seek to avoid that prospect, after their monthlong standoff degenerated into a bloody fracas in mid-June, leaving 20 Indian soldiers dead alongside an unknown number of Chinese. Deescalating the crisis will be hard enough. More important will be how each side rethinks the countries’ long-term relationship as strategic competitors. Of the two, India faces tougher challenges: With limited military options, Prime Minister Narendra Modi is facing growing pressure to boycott Chinese goods as part of a more general turn toward self-reliance and protectionism—a strategy that would be precisely the wrong way to tackle the long-term threat of a rising China.

China’s dilemma is simpler: namely, whether it is wise to antagonize all of its competitors at once. That Beijing is riling its neighborhood is obvious. Australia complains about Chinese cyberattacks, albeit without directly naming China. Japan is alarmed about Chinese patrols near the disputed Senkaku or Diaoyu islands. And now China is clashing with India, a country whose security establishment increasingly views its northern neighbor as a threat, and is currently puzzling through how to respond.

That marks a significant change. India has grown closer to the United States over recent decades, both militarily and politically. But it has stopped short of fully backing ideas like the U.S.-led “free and open Indo-Pacific,” let alone becoming a full U.S. treaty ally. This is in part because Modi considers Donald Trump unreliable, having reportedly been shocked by the U.S. president’s views in private meetings. One incident, recounted in the recent book A Very Stable Genius, tells of Modi’s shock that Trump appeared not to know that India and China even shared a border: “This is not a serious man. I cannot count on this man as a partner,” was Modi’s impression of Trump, one presidential aide told the book’s author. But just as important have been deep-seated worries that drawing too close to the United States would end up alienating China. Fears that ties with Beijing had grown too frayed led Modi to initiate a rapprochement after another border standoff in 2017, leading to a summit with Chinese President Xi Jinping the following year in Wuhan, China.

That earlier round of tensions was resolved with plenty of airy talk of a new and amicable “Wuhan spirit.” The current clashes seem unlikely to end as neatly. “This is a very fundamental change,” one senior former Indian security official told me earlier this month, referring to way the sharply negative change in India’s views about its neighbor in the aftermath of recent events. “Our whole policy and discourse around China will have to change.”

That leaves India with few good options. India might be able to hold its own along parts of its Himalayan border. But in general it remains by far the weaker power militarily. New Delhi has upped its armed forces spending of late to about $71.1 billion, the world’s third-highest, after China and the United States. But its military is inefficient, underequipped, and dogged by procurement corruption scandals. Facing a dreadful coronavirus-driven recession, India’s economic position over the coming few years is unlikely to be much stronger.

Any response Modi pursues will then be complicated by the decisive anti-Chinese turn in Indian public opinion.Any response Modi pursues will then be complicated by the decisive anti-Chinese turn in Indian public opinion. Bellicose television anchors demand action, while social media is filled with clips of angry men destroying Chinese-made televisions. In under a month, India is likely to have joined such countries as Japan and South Korea, and perhaps also the United States, as part of a select group of China’s rivals nations whose publics also have sharply negative views of China itself.
Modi will be well aware that angry publics can create pressure for an unwise military repost, given this is at least part of the reason India was drawn into a disastrous losing war against China in 1962. So far, at least, Delhi has resisted this path, delivering a reasonably measured response, including calmly negotiating the release of 10 captured Indian soldiers. Escalating militarily would in any case be a hugely risky step, both given China’s broad military superiority and the unforgiving Himalayan terrain the two nations are contesting. So with most military options mostly off the table, Modi is under greater pressure to escalate economically instead—and to do so in ways that could hurt India’s own long-term interests.

As a #BoycottChina social media campaign gains speed, protesters smashing Chinese-made smartphones hint at larger frustrations over India’s unbalanced trade relationship with China. India’s trade deficit with China was roughly $57 billion last year, a giant figure when bilateral trade totals just $92.5 billion. About half of India’s electronics imports come from China, as do two-thirds of the materials it needs to make drugs for its lucrative generic pharmaceuticals sector. In both cases the government will do its best to boost domestic production, although earlier efforts to achieve this goal have achieved little. It is also likely to join the United States and European Union in limiting Chinese investments, adding to existing curbs on Chinese funding of Indian tech start-ups brought in earlier this year. Delhi is now mulling banning the Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei, too—a significant step that would have been highly improbable prior to the crisis, given worries among cash-strapped Indian telecoms companies about the cost of non-Chinese equipment.

Some of these steps are appropriate, if targeted carefully. India should aspire to make more of its own electronics and drug ingredients and would be more secure if it could build 5G telecoms networks without Chinese parts. It also needs to be wary of the threat of Chinese future economic coercion if relations between the two powers worsen, for instance the risk that Beijing might in future limit exports of pharmaceutical inputs, just as it recently imposed punitive tariffs on Australian crop exports after a diplomatic spat.

Yet all these steps also come with costs, at a time when India’s battered economy is already struggling. India’s potentially vast consumer market is attractive to Chinese companies, and its tech sector has attracted funds from Chinese investors. But arbitrary import restrictions or consumer boycotts will be largely self-defeating.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby ks_sachin » 30 Jun 2020 07:09

Raveen wrote:I assure you, the US either covertly or overtly will gladly back us in a war against the Han. Based on the ammo, intelligence, and satellite imagery they're sharing now, plus the three CBGs, I think it'll be a little overt and a lot covertly.

Good luck planning with such imponderables...

Source for ammo and int input or is that based on news papers?


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