India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 01 Sep 2020 19:45

Iyersan wrote:
suryag wrote:The OS handles of babaji, frontalassault and wolfpack give some indications as to what is happening. Wolfpack says the PoWs were sent home yesterday, their surveillance system was a Far Infra red camera which is in our possession and now we have a clear straight view of Finger 4 and 8. They will definitely try something now lets hope for the best.
Shiv aroor says there is a Type 15 tank regiment of chinese there? Have Chinese abandoned their tanks?

Tanks and P0RN too it seems

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 01 Sep 2020 19:49

vijayk wrote:
Iyersan wrote: Shiv aroor says there is a Type 15 tank regiment of chinese there? Have Chinese abandoned their tanks?
Tanks and P0RN too it seems

Doesn’t add up. GoI then must use the opportunity to name and shame. More important is whether Rajnath meets Chinese foreign minster at SCO in Moscow

pushkar.bhat · Post by **pushkar.bhat** » 01 Sep 2020 19:52

.@Iyersan are you suggesting that Rajnath Singh carry the pawn to the SCO Conference and complain to the Chinese counter part about the ashleel material that his troops keep in their possession.

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 01 Sep 2020 19:54

https://twitter.com/sidhant/status/1300 ... 62690?s=21

What provocative actions on 31 August.
India China face off since June at LAC:
June 15/16

Aug 29/30

Aug 31

MEA

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 01 Sep 2020 19:56

pushkar.bhat wrote:.@Iyersan are you suggesting that Rajnath Singh carry the pawn to the SCO Conference and complain to the Chinese counter part about the ashleel material that his troops keep in their possession.

No. I want to know if RM wants to use current situation as a bargaining tool with chinese. Is India going to talk to China? I don’t want him to talk, but will he have a meeting with Wang Yi?

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 01 Sep 2020 19:57

idan wrote:
yensoy wrote: Let's not get carried away. Stealth aircraft routinely carry "Luneberg Reflectors" which are expressly for the purpose of making them non-stealthy. The idea is that your enemy should have no idea about the stealthiness of the aircraft till they are used in war. So the fact that we are detecting J-20s today doesn't mean much and most certainly IAF/IA isn't complacent about this finding.
J-20 is not 'stealthy' at all. The neutral experts have ratified this time and again. And stealth is the biggest hoax .... a 60s Soviet era Buk could bring down the F-117A!

Neither of these comments is accurate. The J-20 is def. capable of being stealthy in specific sectors (frontal) if the canards are locked and no, stealth is anything but a hoax. The F-117 shootdown took a whole lot of planning and a fair bit of luck. The USAF guys were blase and flew the same profile over the same area. The shootdown occurred thanks to a mix of (ironically) old gen US long wave radars w/the Serbs.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 01 Sep 2020 19:58

The PLA has lost face they will now start with artillery. Remember there is a perennial power tussle between CCP, CMC, PLA as to who is better, unlike a democracy like India where there is responsible political control these three wings in PRC play for their own side

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 01 Sep 2020 19:58

https://twitter.com/thewolfpackin/statu ... 60928?s=21

Indians troops neutralized Chinese assault on Indian postions around midnight of Aug-31

This is big. Col. Puri was right

https://twitter.com/shivaroor/status/13 ... 84450?s=21

BREAKING: On this statement from @MEAIndia, just confirmed that a Chinese unit attempted to close in on Kaala Top/Helmet Top positions occupied by forces even as Brigadiers were talking. The troops were spotted, floodlit & dissuaded by the Indian forces at the heights.

Sonugn · Post by **Sonugn** » 01 Sep 2020 20:02

Chinese attempted a go at Kala Top/ Helmet Top midnight on 31st.
The troops were spotted, floodlit & dissuaded by the Indian forces at the heights. via Aroor Shiv

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 01 Sep 2020 20:02

The alternative for PLA is to use 62s era human waves avoiding artillery, of course PLA conscripts then were blooded in Korean war dont know the psyche of the PLA soldiers today

pushkar.bhat · Post by **pushkar.bhat** » 01 Sep 2020 20:03

Iyersan wrote:
pushkar.bhat wrote:.@Iyersan are you suggesting that Rajnath Singh carry the pawn to the SCO Conference and complain to the Chinese counter part about the ashleel material that his troops keep in their possession.
No. I want to know if RM wants to use current situation as a bargaining tool with chinese. Is India going to talk to China? I don’t want him to talk, but will he have a meeting with Wang Yi?

Thankfully I hear that he is not meeting the Chinese FM or the Def Min.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 01 Sep 2020 20:07

suryag wrote:The alternative for PLA is to use 62s era human waves avoiding artillery, of course PLA conscripts then were blooded in Korean war dont know the psyche of the PLA soldiers today

Tried that at Galwan .. after the initial loss Indian Army boys went hunting in the night and brought back scalps.

The Chinese these days stay in very cozy accommodation and don't sleep under the clear sky. Would be easy to shoot a few Carl Gustav rounds into the accommodation on a night prowl following a human wave.

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 01 Sep 2020 20:10

Sonugn wrote:Chinese attempted a go at Kala Top/ Helmet Top midnight on 31st.
The troops were spotted, floodlit & dissuaded by the Indian forces at the heights. via Aroor Shiv

I'm surprised they were floodlit. From where? If from the top, then it would mean that we have already lugged generators and fuel up there, and we are ok with revealing our positions. If not from the top, then it would have to be from the East since they are unlikely to be climbing from the West face. Aircraft are not allowed in this space.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 01 Sep 2020 20:12

Babaji's latest tweets says the slaves are having an emergency meeting

RaviB · Post by **RaviB** » 01 Sep 2020 20:24

abhik wrote:
Bharadwaj wrote:Vishnu Som and ANI reporting we have control of the heights in the area.
Doesn’t mention which "heights" though, no?

The Chinese press statement of the Western Command is making "solemn representations" about Reqin La, which sounds like Rezang La. I think the heights around the pass have been captured. They probably wanted to come through there and Indian (or Unkil's) ISR must have showed the plan, leading India to preempt.

And now the Chinis are throwing a hissy fit because their plan went for a six.

madhu · Post by **madhu** » 01 Sep 2020 20:29

https://youtu.be/2hcH_oXOC94
So we have not captured Chinese territory. We are still in our side of LAC.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 01 Sep 2020 20:30

suryag wrote:Babaji's latest tweets says the slaves are having an emergency meeting

slaves? Italians?

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 01 Sep 2020 20:31

Pukis

AshishA · Post by **AshishA** » 01 Sep 2020 20:32

MEA seems to have learnt from their Chinese counter parts and are now using the phrase "China should control it's frontline troops"

Kakarat · Post by **Kakarat** » 01 Sep 2020 20:33

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1300793288903983104

India and China have been closely engaged through diplomatic and military channels over the past three months to resolve the situation along the India-China border: Ministry of External Affairs

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1300793474661273602

Chinese side violated this understanding & engaged in provocative military maneuvers in the late night of 29/30 August in an attempt to change the status quo in the South Bank area of Pangong Lake: MEA

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1300793581318348800

As stated yesterday by Indian Army, the Indian side responded to these provocative actions and took appropriate defensive measures along the LAC in order to safeguard our interests and defend the territorial integrity: MEA

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1300793920104706048

On 31st August, even as ground commanders of two sides were in discussions to de-escalate the situation, Chinese troops again engaged in provocative action. Due to timely defensive action, Indian side was able to prevent these attempts to unilaterally alter status quo: MEA

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1300794755216019463

We have taken up the matter of recent provocative and aggressive actions with Chinese side through both diplomatic and military channels and have urged them to discipline and control their frontline troops from undertaking such provocative actions: MEA

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 01 Sep 2020 20:36

madhu wrote:https://youtu.be/2hcH_oXOC94
So we have not captured Chinese territory. We are still in our side of LAC.

China still holds Black Top and Helmet. But India occupies the ridge line Riching La (spelling?) which gives it an advantageous position

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 01 Sep 2020 20:42

If India holds full control over the southern side of Ponding Tso, then we should make it the default LAC and let Cheen continue to occupy fingers 5-8 as part of a face saving formula for them. This is likely more tactically advantageous for us getting patrol rights to fingers 5 to 8.

Sonugn · Post by **Sonugn** » 01 Sep 2020 20:43

hanumadu wrote:
madhu wrote:https://youtu.be/2hcH_oXOC94
So we have not captured Chinese territory. We are still in our side of LAC.
China still holds Black Top and Helmet. But India occupies the ridge line Riching La (spelling?) which gives it an advantageous position

latest statement from MEA contradicts this.

BREAKING: On this statement from @MEAIndia
, just confirmed that a Chinese unit attempted to close in on Kaala Top/Helmet Top positions occupied by
IN forces even as Brigadiers were talking. The CN troops were spotted, floodlit & dissuaded by the Indian forces at the heights.

Rampy · Post by **Rampy** » 01 Sep 2020 20:46

Not sure how true but post victory dance

https://twitter.com/sonamrigzin1/status ... 8149723136

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 01 Sep 2020 20:59

Sonugn wrote:Chinese attempted a go at Kala Top/ Helmet Top midnight on 31st.
The troops were spotted, floodlit & dissuaded by the Indian forces at the heights. via Aroor Shiv

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 01 Sep 2020 21:00

Sonugn wrote:
hanumadu wrote:
China still holds Black Top and Helmet. But India occupies the ridge line Riching La (spelling?) which gives it an advantageous position
latest statement from MEA contradicts this.

BREAKING: On this statement from @MEAIndia
, just confirmed that a Chinese unit attempted to close in on Kaala Top/Helmet Top positions occupied by
IN forces even as Brigadiers were talking. The CN troops were spotted, floodlit & dissuaded by the Indian forces at the heights.

I hope that is true, but it seems that is @ShivAroor's interpretation of MEA statement. The MEA statement does not mention the feature (Black Top or Helmet Top).

ANI
@ANI
On 31st August, even as ground commanders of two sides were in discussions to de-escalate the situation, Chinese troops again engaged in provocative action. Due to timely defensive action, Indian side was able to prevent these attempts to unilaterally alter status quo: MEA

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 01 Sep 2020 21:14

Third access to Leh getting built. Actually its already built, but it will be made all weather soon.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 01 Sep 2020 21:24

Nitin Gokhale was trying hard to suppress a smile in his video

But even from him it disheartens me to see this itch to keep repeating "on our side of the LAC", "on our side of the area under Indian control"... Why be so bashful?

All the current events are happening inside the claim lines of GoI's OFFICAL map of Indian territory isn't it? Why underplay any tactical gains unless.... powers that be want our journos to.

Sonugn · Post by **Sonugn** » 01 Sep 2020 21:32

hanumadu wrote:
Sonugn wrote: latest statement from MEA contradicts this.

BREAKING: On this statement from @MEAIndia
, just confirmed that a Chinese unit attempted to close in on Kaala Top/Helmet Top positions occupied by
IN forces even as Brigadiers were talking. The CN troops were spotted, floodlit & dissuaded by the Indian forces at the heights.
I hope that is true, but it seems that is @ShivAroor's interpretation of MEA statement. The MEA statement does not mention the feature (Black Top or Helmet Top).

ANI
@ANI
On 31st August, even as ground commanders of two sides were in discussions to de-escalate the situation, Chinese troops again engaged in provocative action. Due to timely defensive action, Indian side was able to prevent these attempts to unilaterally alter status quo: MEA

Please see this as well, other "sources" also confirming:-

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/c ... &utm_term=

According to sources, the Chinese forces on Monday had once again tried to close in on Kaala Top and Helmet Top in an aggressive manoeuvre. However, they were stopped by Indian forces who shouted to them using megaphones to tell them that they had been spotted.

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 01 Sep 2020 21:41

In a significant development, Indian security forces today foiled an attempt by the Chinese Army to transgress into the Indian side of the Line of Actual Control in the general area of Chumar: Sources

https://twitter.com/ani/status/1300820511107153920?s=21

AshishA · Post by **AshishA** » 01 Sep 2020 21:43

Another development:-

In a significant development, Indian security forces today foiled an attempt by the Chinese Army to transgress into the Indian side of the Line of Actual Control in the general area of Chumar: Sources

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1300820511107153920

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 01 Sep 2020 21:44

Turning The Tables In Chushul: Latest Update From Ladakh

nam · Post by **nam** » 01 Sep 2020 21:51

Chinis have tried on Chumar(or I hope it was a "forward defence" by us) This must have been expected. Hope we have done enough "Forward policy" at important place, in case some of these lot sneak in.

It is going to be full on land grab from side, with potentially no shots being fired! Go to an empty place and sit there!

chola · Post by **chola** » 01 Sep 2020 21:52

Sonugn wrote:
According to sources, the Chinese forces on Monday had once again tried to close in on Kaala Top and Helmet Top in an aggressive manoeuvre. However, they were stopped by Indian forces who shouted to them using megaphones to tell them that they had been spotted.

LOL. Megaphones?!

This is what I see in my mind's eye.

IA: "I see you"

Poopoo Liberation Army: "(in Mandarin) Oh my flukkin god! They see us. Flee!"

Doesn't seem like a very confident group.

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 01 Sep 2020 21:57

Pla restoring status quo ante on flat ground vs ia giving up heights is not a good idea imho. Lets say to chini u keep urs we keep this ?

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 01 Sep 2020 21:58

The SFF is under the government of India, it’s very secretive: Claude Arpi
https://www.indiatoday.in/india-today-i ... 2020-09-01
01 Sept 2020

idan · Post by **idan** » 01 Sep 2020 22:18

Karan M wrote:
idan wrote:
J-20 is not 'stealthy' at all. The neutral experts have ratified this time and again. And stealth is the biggest hoax .... a 60s Soviet era Buk could bring down the F-117A!
Neither of these comments is accurate. The J-20 is def. capable of being stealthy in specific sectors (frontal) if the canards are locked and no, stealth is anything but a hoax. The F-117 shootdown took a whole lot of planning and a fair bit of luck. The USAF guys were blase and flew the same profile over the same area. The shootdown occurred thanks to a mix of (ironically) old gen US long wave radars w/the Serbs.

It was Soviet P-18 radar!

Mickey · Post by **Mickey** » 01 Sep 2020 22:20

https://twitter.com/kayjay34350/status/ ... 1298031616

Discounting avoidable war mongering hype. India has only done- bold pre emption taking control of Spanggur gap by taking control of shoulders. Can't trust PLA, it has flouted every convention. Compliments to our Troops & audacious well thought out action.

He is saying the same thing as Baba Ji regarding Spanggur.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 01 Sep 2020 22:21

IA must be the kindest Army in the world if they are using flood lights and megaphones to turn back enemy troops. This technique is sometimes used against illegal immigrants and escaping convicts.

Hatsoff to whoever came up with the idea in IA to use this against PLA "soldiers" !

nam · Post by **nam** » 01 Sep 2020 22:23

I wonder if the PLA is trying to ingress in multiple place to 1) to see if it can get lucky 2) probe our defences 3) Stretch our forces thin across multiple location.