Rs_singh wrote:arshyam wrote:
Exactly. There are no sources no either side are they? This is standard IW. For internal consumption. As for citations, find me one citation, leave alone in this incident, from anywhere in the world and any country that claims its troops killed 10,12,20, you pick, EN alone and without a gun. Army citations all over do no give out casualty figures inflicted because it can simply not be ascertained in ground combat, even more so in a close fight. So, I call BS, you are free to believe or not believe up to you.
I am all for being objective, but how is calling it "BS" or "nonsense" being objective? There are ways to be objective without being disparaging, aren't there?ks_sachin wrote:Being objective here does not mean that we are dissing Sep Gurtej Singh’s actions...
But citations are a collection of fragments of memory from the heat of battle and for every Gurtej there will another one who will not even get a mentioned in dispatches. That is the reality.
By bringing this one example in this context, you are indeed linking the two and implying Indian accounts are propaganda. Sorry, that's the way it appears, and that's why I called it a strawman argument.Rs_singh wrote:As for thwarting tank assaults with bayonet charges. I was giving you an example of fictionalized accounts used in communist countries. This particular one is from Mother Russia during Barbarossa, 1942. Many more come to mind from more recent history and closer by. Such as those from our neighbor to the west in 65, claiming they thwarted tank assault on Lahore by laying down on the roads.
Once again, I am not one to blindly believe propaganda or go into flights of fancy. My multiple posts on this thread against others advocating "liberating Lhasa/Tibet/take your pick" stand testament to that. But, like I said, the official Army/GoI word hasn't come, so we should hold our judgment till then. At the very least, we should not be so casually dismissive of the account that's in the public domain - by that standard, most stories about our assault on the peaks of Kargil could have been dismissed the same way, not to mention the contributions (to put it mildly) of CQMH Abdul Hamid or Rifleman Jaswant Singh Rawat.