India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

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Postby rsingh » 04 Sep 2020 03:36

In communist countries police is referred as Militia.

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Postby Suraj » 04 Sep 2020 03:56

Anoop wrote:This is a very strange article, particularly because it comes from an otherwise reliable journalist, Sudhi Ranjan Sen. Thousands of soldiers climbing up these peaks? Where is the real estate for such a large scale move? Three units were reported to have participated in the action; this would mean that all 3 units were fully used. Even if we consider that arms, ammo, temporary housing and provisions were carried up, the number seems excessive considering the final number who would be stationed there - maybe 1 Coy at each post?

The last para is also rich - quotes Brahma Chellaney as saying that Modi would be under pressure to react to Chinese aggression, as a way of justifying the events. As though the Chinese provocation doesn't justify adequate reprisal.

Looks like Bloomberg mixed and matches statements taken at different times and contexts to create an article - creative editing!

Both that and the Barking Dutt article are very off character from their respective authors and reflect potential editorial push towards articles with such a tone. I saw them in combination with the USNews story about 'Beijing being furious with local commander for withdrawing" as a US effort to send a message to China here.

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Postby V_Raman » 04 Sep 2020 04:24

It almost feels like USA wants a war here

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Postby k prasad » 04 Sep 2020 04:34

Anoop wrote:This is a very strange article, particularly because it comes from an otherwise reliable journalist, Sudhi Ranjan Sen. Thousands of soldiers climbing up these peaks? Where is the real estate for such a large scale move? Three units were reported to have participated in the action; this would mean that all 3 units were fully used. Even if we consider that arms, ammo, temporary housing and provisions were carried up, the number seems excessive considering the final number who would be stationed there - maybe 1 Coy at each post?


I think this might be an indication of larger 're-adjustments' across the entire border, which have been whispered with increasing volume in the past couple of days. I can imagine that across the border, all these coordinated actions would require a couple of battalions worth of soldiers at the very least. So far, the focus has been on Kala top and the fingers area, as well as a little more south near Reqin, but it is very likely that in the days to come, we will hear more about the other ridges that our forces have moved themselves to.

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Postby vimal » 04 Sep 2020 05:15

V_Raman wrote:It almost feels like USA wants a war here


Trump and his team want to punish China using India. Of course there would be no real hard assets on the ground just some sigint etc.
Come Nov 3 (US Election), this might change a lot. India has a month to make the most of it.

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https://www.nbknews.in/chinese-counterp ... -of-india/
Chinese counterpart wants to meet, Rajnath non-committal | India News – Times of India
NEW DELHI: Amid anger in Beijing over Indian Military occupying strategic heights within the Ladakh area, defence minister Rajnath Singh on Thursday avoided committing himself to a gathering sought by his Chinese language counterpart Normal Wei Fenghe on the sidelines of the assembly of defence ministers of Shanghai Cooperation Organisation in Moscow.
Sources right here mentioned Singh cited his “tight schedule” to keep away from spelling out whether or not he would have the ability to meet the Chinese language defence minister.
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https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... DscII.html
Don’t meddle in border dispute with India, China tells US
Chinese embassy spokesperson Ji Rong said China and India have the ability to resolve their border disputes bilaterally and Beijing won’t accept countries outside the region meddling which will endanger regional peace and stability.
INDIA Updated: Sep 03, 2020

China on Thursday criticised what it described as “meddling” by the US in the border standoff with India, saying Beijing and New Delhi have the ability to resolve their disputes bilaterally.
Chinese embassy spokesperson Ji Rong was responding to remarks on Monday by US deputy secretary of state Stephen Biegun, who had said Washington will push back against Beijing’s aggressive actions, including its “outsized” territorial claims on the border with India.
Ji said China favours a “fair, reasonable and mutually acceptable solution through peaceful and friendly consultations”. The two sides have been in talks at various levels to seek a peaceful settlement of the boundary issue, she said.
“China and India have the ability to resolve their border disputes bilaterally. We don’t accept countries outside the region pointing fingers, let alone meddling or making instigation, which will only endanger the regional peace and stability,” she added.
Ji also rejected other remarks made by Biegun at the leadership summit organised by the US-India Strategic Partnership Forum that were critical of China for its “outsized demands to claim sovereign territory in the Galwan Valley on the India-Chinese border or in the South Pacific” and its “assertion of national sovereignty over the territory and territorial waters of other countries”.
Nations need to enhance mutual understanding and friendly cooperation, and it is regrettable that senior US officials had violated the norms of international ties and “picked up fights virtually on every front and exploited every opportunity they can to slander and smear China”, she said.
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Postby Jwala » 04 Sep 2020 06:10

"It almost feels like USA wants a war here"

With due respect, the US is totally engulfed in pre- election issues; ability of the postal service to deliver ballots, police versus African American issues not to mention the vigilantes out on the street. The issues on the Indo-Tibet border- beyond a few news items- are not well known. What will be the situation post Nov is anybody's guess. However what is clear is till then the State Department and the Pentagon are pretty supportive suggesting a window of opportunity for India unlike other times

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Postby Roop » 04 Sep 2020 06:56

V_Raman wrote:It almost feels like USA wants a war here

In case you hadn't noticed, many Indians want a war here. By my reckoning, most of the members of this forum want a war here. I certainly do.

"War" in this context doesn't mean a full-fledged WW2-style show (Indian missiles raining down on Chengdu / Shenzen etc.). What it means is a good old-fashioned ass-kicking of the PLA ground/air units in Tibet and possibly also in Gilgit/Baltistan.

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Postby Mort Walker » 04 Sep 2020 07:00

vimal wrote:
V_Raman wrote:It almost feels like USA wants a war here


Trump and his team want to punish China using India. Of course there would be no real hard assets on the ground just some sigint etc.
Come Nov 3 (US Election), this might change a lot. India has a month to make the most of it.


India has until 19 JAN 2021 to get into positions of advantage on ridges and valleys without US interference.

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Postby ks_sachin » 04 Sep 2020 07:01

k prasad wrote:
Anoop wrote:This is a very strange article, particularly because it comes from an otherwise reliable journalist, Sudhi Ranjan Sen. Thousands of soldiers climbing up these peaks? Where is the real estate for such a large scale move? Three units were reported to have participated in the action; this would mean that all 3 units were fully used. Even if we consider that arms, ammo, temporary housing and provisions were carried up, the number seems excessive considering the final number who would be stationed there - maybe 1 Coy at each post?


I think this might be an indication of larger 're-adjustments' across the entire border, which have been whispered with increasing volume in the past couple of days. I can imagine that across the border, all these coordinated actions would require a couple of battalions worth of soldiers at the very least. So far, the focus has been on Kala top and the fingers area, as well as a little more south near Reqin, but it is very likely that in the days to come, we will hear more about the other ridges that our forces have moved themselves to.


How I wish we had Akshay Kapoor Sir here on the forum.

He would be able to give some insight into offensive and defensive ops in the mountains.

Look at the deployment of 13 Kumaon in Chushul 1962. Rezang La I think was occupied by 1 company (Major Shaitan SIngh's). The last few days I have been reading that Brig Dalvi's book to understand the operational aspects of the terrain. Very interesting. Do you know that Chushul we have everything pointed towards defending the Spangur Gap but the Chinese actually did not come from there (at least initially but outflanked Major Shaitan Singh's company. They actually attacked a dominant position!

So if we know you history then there will be a presence on the heights but there well might be redeployment around as well to deny the Chinese any scope around the key points around a particular height. Plus I don't see how the boys are going to be carting ATGM's up to the heights apart from a token. They are heavy and they also have to carry the additional missiles.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Mort Walker » 04 Sep 2020 07:04

Roop wrote:
V_Raman wrote:It almost feels like USA wants a war here

In case you hadn't noticed, many Indians want a war here. By my reckoning, most of the members of this forum want a war here. I certainly do.

"War" in this context doesn't mean a full-fledged WW2-style show (Indian missiles raining down on Chengdu / Shenzen etc.). What it means is a good old-fashioned ass-kicking of the PLA ground/air units in Tibet and possibly also in Gilgit/Baltistan.


I'm not aware of jawans asking for war, only armchair generals. However, the IA, IAF, and IN will defend India to their last drop of blood. What we ask for is that China return to its pre-1962 borders.

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Postby ramana » 04 Sep 2020 07:10

shyamd wrote:India/Indian sources passed onto US intelligence who wrote a report which was shared with the 'US News' website.



Correct

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Postby ramana » 04 Sep 2020 07:12

vijayk wrote:Will Eleven Ping agree to discuss border now and settle it to save his rear end?


No They won't do that. They are driven by folly.

As Barbara Tuchman wrote in "March of Folly" , folly is behavior contrary to self preservation.And gives four causes. It would be good to be aware of that so can recognize when it occurs.

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Postby Y I Patel » 04 Sep 2020 07:23

There are many good reasons to doubt the reliability of US support for India, and many good reasons to not doubt it. But only one reason matters: China has asked US to butt out of this dispute. So now US is forced to take India's side, because if it does not the whole world will say that it is frightened of China. So even diehard supporters of China in the US, aka Bloomberg, NYTimes, WaPo... are now forced to sing a different tune. Won't change even if Biden becomes prez, so long as the Chinese keep up their SunTsutiapa

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Postby SSridhar » 04 Sep 2020 07:26

ramana wrote:
vijayk wrote:Will Eleven Ping agree to discuss border now and settle it to save his rear end?


No They won't do that.

As someone said, Xi is preparing for the next CPC Congress, October 2022. He will face (is already facing) opposition. He has to show some results. Talks now will mean accepting setback, if not defeat, for PLA. Xi cannot do that now.

The RM meet, if it takes place, is to give a warning.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby ramana » 04 Sep 2020 07:27

V_Raman wrote:It almost feels like USA wants a war here


Actually China chose this war. Think it over.

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Postby ramana » 04 Sep 2020 07:35

Mort Walker wrote:
vimal wrote:
Trump and his team want to punish China using India. Of course there would be no real hard assets on the ground just some sigint etc.
Come Nov 3 (US Election), this might change a lot. India has a month to make the most of it.


India has until 19 JAN 2021 to get into positions of advantage on ridges and valleys without US interference.



India is in positions of advantage hence parley underway. Sadly we are looking at piecemeal
information and not putting the picture together.
And worse there are fools posting OSINT!!!!

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby ramana » 04 Sep 2020 07:37

SS, Its always good to meet and hear out others.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby ramana » 04 Sep 2020 07:45

Sachin, Please read an USI journal analysis of East Ladakh in 1962.

Maj Gen Thapliyal



Link

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Postby V_Raman » 04 Sep 2020 08:08

After reading the analysis conclusions - I am even more surprised that PLA did not anticipate us taking over these hills!

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Postby Sanju » 04 Sep 2020 08:09

ramana wrote:Sachin, Please read an USI journal analysis of East Ladakh in 1962.

Maj Gen Thapliyal

Link


That was an interesting read, explaing the lay of the land in layman terms. Among the many points tht caught my eye was the following:

Unfortunately, deployment was faulty at Chushul. Instead of holding the ridge line east of Chushul which was not held by Chinese at that time, we decided to hold the low ground of Maggar Hill, Gurung Hill and Rezang La. Two most important features which should have been held are Black Top and Mukhpari.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby nachiket » 04 Sep 2020 08:24

Roop wrote:
V_Raman wrote:It almost feels like USA wants a war here

In case you hadn't noticed, many Indians want a war here. By my reckoning, most of the members of this forum want a war here. I certainly do.

"War" in this context doesn't mean a full-fledged WW2-style show (Indian missiles raining down on Chengdu / Shenzen etc.). What it means is a good old-fashioned ass-kicking of the PLA ground/air units in Tibet and possibly also in Gilgit/Baltistan.

It is easy for us to "want" war while sitting in our living rooms sipping chai. No bullets have been fired yet despite months of tensions and intermittent clashes. I'm sure both the forces and the government would like to see the Chinese go back to where they were without any bullets being fired. War is always the last resort. There is a difference in being prepared for war and actually wanting it.

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Postby g.sarkar » 04 Sep 2020 09:15

ramana wrote:Sachin, Please read an USI journal analysis of East Ladakh in 1962.
Maj Gen Thapliyal
Link

Brings back old and dark memories. I had just started to read newspapers at that age. Major Shaitan Singh's story and Rezang La will never be forgotten as long as I live.
https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2020/ ... ndoff.html
Shaitan Singh's 'last stand': What Rezang La means for India as China attempts to occupy
All you need to know about the strategic significance of the mountain pass Web Desk September 03, 2020

Memories of the 1962 Sino-Indian war, where the nation was dealt a heavy blow by marauding Chinese invaders along the Line of Actual Control (LAC), are still raw in the nation's mind. Equally significant are the stories of valour and bravery—and of an almost inhuman courage—that resonate to this day. The tale of Major Shaitan Singh and his 13 Kumaon regiment, who fought to their last bullet to defend their position at the Rezang La mountain pass, is one such example.
It is exactly this Rezang La in the Chushul sector that China is now vying to open a new front in, and where the Army has currently mobilised troops around. Indian troops have taken control of some heights which were placed in the "grey zone" on the Line of Actual Control. Grey zone is the disputed area, on which both sides make their claims.
History of Rezang La
By November 1962, in the Sino-Indian War, the Chinese were in a geographical advantage in Ladakh after having overrun numerous border posts between Daulat Beg Oldie and Demchok; Chushul was an Indian post the Army was adamant in securing. The 114 Brigade, reinforced by the 13 Kumaon, were charged with Chushul's defence—crucial forward posts like Gurung Hill and Mugger Hill, and approach passes like Rezang La to its southeast.
It was in a freezing morning on November 18 that the Chinese began with a ‘silent’ attack on Rezang La, advancing wave after wave through nullahs in the area. As written by Major K.C Preval in Indian Army After Independence: “Rezang La was held by C Company of the battalion and had no artillery support. At about 04:00am, a patrol spotted a large body of the Chinese scrambling up the gullies and gave the alarm. Within minutes; every man in the company was at his fire position. Under Shaitan Singh, the company at Rezang La had been brought to a state of absolute readiness. The gullies had been ranged in and all of Singh’s light machine guns and mortars were now trained on them. As the Chinese came within range, the Kumaonis let them have it. Many of them fell; others continued to move up. But with every weapon in C Company firing, the gullies in front of the three platoons were soon full of dead and wounded Chinese.”
The Chinese, who sustained heavy losses, went on an artillery spree. Writes Shiv Kunal Verma in 1962: The War That Wasn't: "The Chinese threw everything at their disposal to blast out Shaitan Singh’s men. Apart from heavy artillery that systematically blew up the stone sangars, the Chinese lined up 132mm rockets, 120mm heavy mortars, 81 and 60mm medium mortars, and 75 and 53mm RCL guns in a direct firing role. Throughout the barrage, not one Kumaonis soldier wavered, each man holding his position until he was killed. As the bombardment intensified, the Chinese threw in their infantry reserve, which joined those who had taken cover when the Kumaonis had opened up. Both No. 7 and No. 8 Platoon had been overrun by 7:30am, but those still alive continued to fight. With two of his platoons all but wiped out, Shaitan Singh along with his company havildar major, Phool Singh, and two other men decided to join up with No. 9 Platoon, some 550 metres away.”
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby pankajs » 04 Sep 2020 09:39

Embedded video .. worth watching ... Lt Gen (Retd) Syed Ata Hasnain ...

https://twitter.com/CNNnews18/status/13 ... 0844053504
#IndiaChinaFaceOff – We have waited for the right time. We waited for the build up to take place. Today we are completely entrenched. We have got our complete stocks with us. We can sit and fight for a month or more: Lt Gen (Retd) @atahasnain53 tells @shreyadhoundial.

@ 1:00, He says, in mountain warfare every piece of land cannot be occupied ...

Also, IIRC from a StratNews with Nitin Gokhale video some senior retired military person saying that just because a border/line is at a particular place does not make it an ideal place to take a defensive position. Depending on the terrain, a defensive position might have to be some ways behind of a border or line leaving quite a large area open to encroachment.

Always good to remember both these general principles.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby manjgu » 04 Sep 2020 10:16

1) wsnt this lesson on 1962... hold lines at a defensible position... our dhola post was at the bottom of a fast stream with PLA sitting on opposite ridge...inspite of Brig Dalve asking for dhola post to be sited on the opposite ridge and not at the botton of a valley !!! 2) now our condition should be 'mark and delineate and sign the LAC once for all " else we sit where we are.3) the chini have always grabbed territory in such a way to avoid firefights and now for 1st time that is being challenged. Lets see if PLA is up for it..to get out of their heated huts and slog it out in the open.

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Postby manjgu » 04 Sep 2020 10:18

g.sarkar wrote:
ramana wrote:Sachin, Please read an USI journal analysis of East Ladakh in 1962.
Maj Gen Thapliyal
Link

Brings back old and dark memories. I had just started to read newspapers at that age. Major Shaitan Singh's story and Rezang La will never be forgotten as long as I live.
https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2020/ ... ndoff.html
Shaitan Singh's 'last stand': What Rezang La means for India as China attempts to occupy
All you need to know about the strategic significance of the mountain pass Web Desk September 03, 2020

Memories of the 1962 Sino-Indian war, where the nation was dealt a heavy blow by marauding Chinese invaders along the Line of Actual Control (LAC), are still raw in the nation's mind. Equally significant are the stories of valour and bravery—and of an almost inhuman courage—that resonate to this day. The tale of Major Shaitan Singh and his 13 Kumaon regiment, who fought to their last bullet to defend their position at the Rezang La mountain pass, is one such example.
It is exactly this Rezang La in the Chushul sector that China is now vying to open a new front in, and where the Army has currently mobilised troops around. Indian troops have taken control of some heights which were placed in the "grey zone" on the Line of Actual Control. Grey zone is the disputed area, on which both sides make their claims.
History of Rezang La
By November 1962, in the Sino-Indian War, the Chinese were in a geographical advantage in Ladakh after having overrun numerous border posts between Daulat Beg Oldie and Demchok; Chushul was an Indian post the Army was adamant in securing. The 114 Brigade, reinforced by the 13 Kumaon, were charged with Chushul's defence—crucial forward posts like Gurung Hill and Mugger Hill, and approach passes like Rezang La to its southeast.
It was in a freezing morning on November 18 that the Chinese began with a ‘silent’ attack on Rezang La, advancing wave after wave through nullahs in the area. As written by Major K.C Preval in Indian Army After Independence: “Rezang La was held by C Company of the battalion and had no artillery support. At about 04:00am, a patrol spotted a large body of the Chinese scrambling up the gullies and gave the alarm. Within minutes; every man in the company was at his fire position. Under Shaitan Singh, the company at Rezang La had been brought to a state of absolute readiness. The gullies had been ranged in and all of Singh’s light machine guns and mortars were now trained on them. As the Chinese came within range, the Kumaonis let them have it. Many of them fell; others continued to move up. But with every weapon in C Company firing, the gullies in front of the three platoons were soon full of dead and wounded Chinese.”
The Chinese, who sustained heavy losses, went on an artillery spree. Writes Shiv Kunal Verma in 1962: The War That Wasn't: "The Chinese threw everything at their disposal to blast out Shaitan Singh’s men. Apart from heavy artillery that systematically blew up the stone sangars, the Chinese lined up 132mm rockets, 120mm heavy mortars, 81 and 60mm medium mortars, and 75 and 53mm RCL guns in a direct firing role. Throughout the barrage, not one Kumaonis soldier wavered, each man holding his position until he was killed. As the bombardment intensified, the Chinese threw in their infantry reserve, which joined those who had taken cover when the Kumaonis had opened up. Both No. 7 and No. 8 Platoon had been overrun by 7:30am, but those still alive continued to fight. With two of his platoons all but wiped out, Shaitan Singh along with his company havildar major, Phool Singh, and two other men decided to join up with No. 9 Platoon, some 550 metres away.”
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Gautam
Added later: mark my words. Eleven will spend his remaining life shoveling pig shit for 18 hours a day in a re-education camp.



the soldiers were ahirs from haryana though the unit could have been kumaonis

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby williams » 04 Sep 2020 10:27

nachiket wrote:
Roop wrote:In case you hadn't noticed, many Indians want a war here. By my reckoning, most of the members of this forum want a war here. I certainly do.

"War" in this context doesn't mean a full-fledged WW2-style show (Indian missiles raining down on Chengdu / Shenzen etc.). What it means is a good old-fashioned ass-kicking of the PLA ground/air units in Tibet and possibly also in Gilgit/Baltistan.

It is easy for us to "want" war while sitting in our living rooms sipping chai. No bullets have been fired yet despite months of tensions and intermittent clashes. I'm sure both the forces and the government would like to see the Chinese go back to where they were without any bullets being fired. War is always the last resort. There is a difference in being prepared for war and actually wanting it.


That is very true. War should be the last resort to achieve diplomatic objectives. The fear for some of us is that GoI may compromise with the Chinese at all costs to achieve peace. On the contrary, there is absolutely nothing to complain about the way GoI has dealt with this situation. If the Chinese go back and de-escalate at this point, it is a great loss of face for them. Our boys have proven beyond doubt that we can give a bloody nose to the Chinese if the situation warranted. I think it is a good strategy to continue this aggressive posturing until the Chins backoff.

"Thus it is that in war the victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterward looks for victory." - Sun Tzu

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby ks_sachin » 04 Sep 2020 11:00

manjgu wrote:
the soldiers were ahirs from haryana though the unit could have been kumaonis


13 Kumaon sirji.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby SSridhar » 04 Sep 2020 11:04

Must plan for two-pronged conflict, says General Bipin Rawat - ToI
The Indian armed forces are capable of suitably dealing with China’s aggressive actions along the Line of Actual Control, chief of defence staff General Bipin Rawat said on Thursday, while sternly warning Pakistan against trying to take advantage of the ongoing troop confrontation in eastern Ladakh.

Speaking at a webinar organised by an American think-tank, Gen Rawat said India faced the “threat of coordinated action along the northern and western fronts” with China and Pakistan. This collusive threat needed to be factored into Indian defence planning, he said.

“If any threat develops around our northern borders, Pakistan could take advantage of that and create some trouble for us. Therefore, we have taken adequate precautions to ensure that any such misadventure by Pakistan is thwarted. In fact, Pakistan may suffer heavy losses should it attempt any misadventure,” Gen Rawat said.

Noting that Indian armed forces will have to be prepared to meet the immediate crisis and concurrently prepare for the future, the CDS said, “Our policy of engagement, if not backed by credible military power and regional influence, would imply acknowledging China's pre-eminence.

China’s continuing infrastructure development in Tibet, development of strategic railway lines and reforms in the People’s Liberation Army are being closely studied by India, he said.

On the other hand, Pakistan has been conducting a proxy war, sponsoring and equipping terrorists from its soil to create trouble in J&K for years, which has blocked India's efforts at regional integration, he said.

Gen Rawat also strongly backed the ‘Quad’ — a grouping of India, US, Australia and Japan — as a “good mechanism” to ensure freedom of navigation in the Indo-Pacific region. [The upcoming Quad meeting in October in India sends a strong signal along with this backing from CDS]

China, which has shown aggressive and expansionist behaviour in the region, is wary of a military construct being imparted to the Quad. The foreign ministry on Thursday said India was looking forward to hosting a meeting of the Quad later this year, the details of which are being worked out.

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Postby manjgu » 04 Sep 2020 11:20

ks_sachin wrote:
manjgu wrote:
the soldiers were ahirs from haryana though the unit could have been kumaonis


13 Kumaon sirji.


sirji.the unit was 13 kumaon but soldiers were ahirs from haryana. most of them from Rewari distt and Gurugram(gurgaon). there is memorial in rewari for 13 K

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Postby ks_sachin » 04 Sep 2020 12:00

manjgu wrote:
ks_sachin wrote:
13 Kumaon sirji.


sirji.the unit was 13 kumaon but soldiers were ahirs from haryana. most of them from Rewari distt and Gurugram(gurgaon). there is memorial in rewari for 13 K

I was just responding to "could be kumaon" bit I'm your post.

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Postby manjgu » 04 Sep 2020 12:09

okok... sirji..

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby naruto » 04 Sep 2020 12:11

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/indias-armed-forces-capable-of-dealing-with-chinese-actions-in-best-suitable-ways-cds-general-bipin-rawat/articleshow/77914580.cms?utm_source=twitter_pwa&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialsharebuttons&from=mdr

While the southern bank of Pangong Tso has been secured, as reported by ET, it is learnt that Indian forces have also taken dominating positions north of the Finger area, to cut off possible ingress routes by Chinese forces.

In particular, the Anne La and Kiu La passes on the LAC have been occupied by special operations troops to keep a check on Chinese moves north of the Pangong sector and to secure the Galwan valley as well. As reported, dominating heights have been taken all along the LAC in eastern Ladakh, from DBO in the north to Chumar in the south.

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Postby manjgu » 04 Sep 2020 12:37

what is the size ( numbers) of chini armoured forces in different sectors?

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Postby k prasad » 04 Sep 2020 12:51

naruto wrote:https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/indias-armed-forces-capable-of-dealing-with-chinese-actions-in-best-suitable-ways-cds-general-bipin-rawat/articleshow/77914580.cms?utm_source=twitter_pwa&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialsharebuttons&from=mdr

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In particular, the Anne La and Kiu La passes on the LAC have been occupied by special operations troops to keep a check on Chinese moves north of the Pangong sector and to secure the Galwan valley as well.


Can some guroos here explain to me how deploying at Ane La and Kiu La secures the Galwan valley? On the map, the passes seen to be fairly distant from Galwan, with no direct access except through the DSDBO road.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby Aditya_V » 04 Sep 2020 12:55

The Chinese can enter Galwan Valley from near Hot springs, Near Gogra area, thats thier path in.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby kumarn » 04 Sep 2020 12:59

Unconfirmed Report : Taiwan ADS has shot down a Chinese Su 35 fighter aircraft after incursion in Taiwan's airspace.
By baba banaras on teetar

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Postby pushkar.bhat » 04 Sep 2020 13:03

kumarn wrote:Unconfirmed Report : Taiwan ADS has shot down a Chinese Su 35 fighter aircraft after incursion in Taiwan's airspace.
By baba banaras on teetar

Not corroborated by any Taiwanese handles. I see this coming only from usual India handles. Including BABA.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby nishant.gupta » 04 Sep 2020 13:08

https://twitter.com/Maverick_bharat/status/1301772474862845952

Maverick

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PLAAF Pilot seriously injured after his plane crashes following a air incursion on Taiwanese airspace


The tweet also has a video of burning. Cannot confirm report from elsewhere since no news channel is buzzing with this as of now.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Postby AshishA » 04 Sep 2020 13:10

pushkar.bhat wrote:
kumarn wrote:Unconfirmed Report : Taiwan ADS has shot down a Chinese Su 35 fighter aircraft after incursion in Taiwan's airspace.
By baba banaras on teetar

Not corroborated by any Taiwanese handles. I see this coming only from usual India handles. Including BABA.

From what I think, the best case scenario for India will be a Taiwan + USA vs China war. A weakened China will solve most of our problems.


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