India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby ramana » 12 Feb 2021 03:36

bharathp wrote:
Sonugn wrote:
any constructions by both sides since april 2020 wil be removed
This means that peaks occupied at South bank/Kailash & subsequent bunkers at these places will also have to go. Has DM mentioned anything regarding this?

nothing on kailash range. i have attached the youtube link to the same speech.


Correct. Only about Pangong Tso for now.
And removal of armour and heavy artillery from cheek to cheek areas.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby ramana » 12 Feb 2021 03:37

Cyrano wrote:Kailash Range heights are NOT the same as Pangong Lake's south and north banks, they are several kms away, to the east of Spangur gap, and our positions there are on our side of LAC, in an undisputed zone.

Is Brahma Chellany preempting something?



No he is pharting as usual.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby ramana » 12 Feb 2021 03:50

Hari will read and reply to the general. For have done many root cause before.

Thanks to Arun S on this analogy.
A Chinese attack is a stochastic function in that its a given such a thing will happen. IOW its probability is 1.0
However where this takes place is the uncertainty.
It's like a square function with ordinate of 1.0.

Now, there are many location where the ordinate is 1.0. So need to think like a Beijing leader to locate where the attack will bring maximum returns.
If you integrate all the locations it turns out to be Ladakh. Because Leh is the prize. It's Ladakh's center of history.

It's our good fortune here that Col Babu was on the spot commander and Gurtej Singh retaliated with Abhimanyu like ferocity and derailed them.

My sadness is despite long years in military they could not put things in perspective.

You can come back with what if it was another Col and a different unit?
My response is it would be the same for the IA has been freed of AHQ remote control.

This is not being seen by the good general.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Vips » 12 Feb 2021 05:45

Strong Indian deployment at Depsang to remain; troops to withdraw 2 km each in Gogra and Galwan.

With disengagement at Pangong Lake underway, the focus will now shift to pulling back troops from standoff points in Galwan valley and the
Gogra post, both of which saw a substantial build-up since May last year after Chinese forces moved in.

After the Pangong process is completed, the two sides will move to implement the second stage of the disengagement plan by moving troops away from each other at these two locations, sources have told ET. At Galwan, where a deadly clash last June claimed heavy losses on both sides, the Chinese deployment at the moment is well beyond the contended Patrolling Point 15, but further retreat is set to take place. As per discussions, Indian and Chinese troops will pull back up to 2 km each from PP 15 and will suspend patrolling till further notice. Sources indicate that troops are positioned just over a kilometre away in the valley at present.

At Gogra post, where the Chinese moved in a substantial amount of armoured units close to an Indian post, a similar process will take place. A squadron of armoured combat vehicles are currently in a standoff with a similar Chinese force and the plan here is also to create a 4 km zone, with both sides retreating to their sides of the Line of Actual Control.

The creation of a four kilometre zone where patrolling will be suspended, sources said, is a temporary arrangement and is in no way admission to territorial claims. The Indian position is clear that normal patrolling will resume after further rounds of talks to defuse the current crisis.

Sources said that there have been no substantial discussion with China on the Depsang plains deployment where PLA has been blocking Indian troops from accessing three patrolling points on LAC. As per internal assessments, the situation at Depsang is stable and in India’s favour, given a heavy deployment of tanks, armoured vehicles and soldiers that are more than a match for Chinese forces in the area.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Deans » 12 Feb 2021 11:18

ramana wrote:Now, there are many location where the ordinate is 1.0. So need to think like a Beijing leader to locate where the attack will bring maximum returns.
If you integrate all the locations it turns out to be Ladakh. Because Leh is the prize. It's Ladakh's center of history.


There are reasons why after Doklam, Ladakh was probably the only place on the LAC where China could hope to confront us on favorable terms.

Kashmir is the only state where we could potentially fight a 2.5 front war, which is our worst case scenario. That combined with the sensitivity of
Kashmir, scares the political leadership more than a similar crisis in say Arunachal.

The Depsang Plain and Demchok are the only places along the LAC where you can have mechanised warfare on a significant scale. That negates the advantage in mountain infantry that India has.

Our normal deployment of 1 division and 1 brigade of XIV Corps, along the LAC in Ladakh, is far lower (men per km) than the North East.

This crisis may give us the opportunity to rebalance our ORBAT, possibly moving a division from the NE permanently to Ladakh, while reducing the
gap in border infrastructure.
If after Covid and the abrogation of article 370, insurgency in the valley did not flare up (nor did Pak army get overactive), we don't need to fear a potential 2.5 front war.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby mody » 12 Feb 2021 12:43

Article by Lt. Gen Panag. As usual trying to peddle the line that India has agreed to the Chinese 1959 claim line and that China has come out on top.

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/other/th ... d=msedgntp

Also claims that eventually China will drop all its claims to the middle and north eastern sector, basically going as per Zhough En Lai's proposal in 1959.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Philip » 12 Feb 2021 13:00

Pak is arguably the weakest link in the Chink chain after Sri Lanka.
Our grand strategy should be to destabilise the weak links in the Chink Axis chain meant to encircle India. The Maldives by fate hlipped out of Chink hands thanks to the tyrannical previous despot being shafted in the polls. .He was not savvy enough to rig the elections which he could've done with Paki help.Therefore we must on a war footing plan and execute a time-bound plan to create enough damage to these entities so that they are neutered in their diabolic capability to destabilise India.

The Chin withdrawal may be a breakthrogh on paper, but what was withdrawn can swiftly return. " Trust but verify", said the great Gipper.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby LakshmanPST » 12 Feb 2021 13:25

Bart S wrote:
Cyrano wrote:Kailash Range heights are NOT the same as Pangong Lake's south and north banks, they are several kms away, to the east of Spangur gap, and our positions there are on our side of LAC, in an undisputed zone.

Is Brahma Chellany preempting something?


But isn't that (Spangur Gap) where the tanks were facing off? Visuals showed the tanks disengaging, so there does seem to be something going on in that area.


I guess the disengagement is happening stepwise with Tanks being withdrawn first.
Also, removal of new construction is only between Fingers 4 and 8.
Kailash heights are on our side of LAC, so I guess there won't be removal of newly built bunkers in that area. By the end of this process, I hope India will permanently station some IA/ITBP troops there. Main army might be withdrawn.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby nam » 12 Feb 2021 14:39

The lesson for GoI in this standoff is that, you don't hide Chini salami's for sake of managing relationship. You do heavy counter deployment and counter incursion.

Our economy didn't get effected by banning Chini products. We are not dependent on access to Chini markets. We can isolate ourself fully, if required.

The worst the Chinis can do is go to war. If they win, we will formally get allied with US. It it results in stalemate, we will still get allied with US.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Cyrano » 12 Feb 2021 15:33

Inexplicable aggression and inexplicable rollback (if thats what it really is now) by the Chinese.

I don't like inexplicables in geopolitics, especially regarding expansionist China. There is something more than meets the eye here. Not discernible what it is.

There is no victory here, the Chinese aggression caught is by surprise last May, despite being aware that large scale military exercises where going on by PLA. Galwan riposte had a bit of luck while taking no credit away from our soldiers. The IA moves that followed surprised a well mobilised PLA and ensured stalemate. Tremendous cost to our exchequer, brave soldiers lost in battle, perhaps elsewhere. For all this, China looks like its going to walk with no price to pay, no retribution. They can wipe off loss H&D as quickly as Pakis and get back to their shanghainigans very soon.

RM clearly stating in the parliament that several thousand sqkm of Indian territory remain under Chinese occupation in Aksai-Hind, Sakshgam, Arunachal is a good sign. I'm expecting IA and GoI will be very very vigilant in the coming weeks. ITBP and SFF need to be on high alert and very active in the coming months.

The positives are improved border infra, fear if any of 2.5 front war has gone, our theatre commands and units better experienced with high morale. Any remaining illusions about Cheen's intent and capability have dissipated. India has shown that it can hold on its own and gather allies around itself.

Does this sound like an epilogue? It might not be. We need to be stoic and keep the powder dry.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Bart S » 12 Feb 2021 16:28

nam wrote:The lesson for GoI in this standoff is that, you don't hide Chini salami's for sake of managing relationship. You do heavy counter deployment and counter incursion.

Our economy didn't get effected by banning Chini products. We are not dependent on access to Chini markets. We can isolate ourself fully, if required.



+100

A lot of the BS peddled by Lutyens/think-tank/media ecosystem types stands exposed, and all it took is a little bit of resolve and self-belief. The biggest weapon that China or Pakistan have against us is ourselves, which is why they constantly attempt via their paid stooges in the commentariat to sow fear and indecisiveness in our own minds.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby rrao » 12 Feb 2021 17:13

is biden-xinping-modi phone talk has got something to do with troop withdrawal by both parties....hope china wont do a surprise ,,,

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby raja_m » 13 Feb 2021 02:40

Cyrano wrote:Inexplicable aggression and inexplicable rollback (if thats what it really is now) by the Chinese.

I don't like inexplicables in geopolitics, especially regarding expansionist China. There is something more than meets the eye here. Not discernible what it is.

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Well, not that I want to give Coupta more air time - but he's quoting a Chinese study (link below) which suggests keeping India engaged in the border allows for lesser expansion of India's navy, essentially bog India into spending on it's land forces while not allowing growth in the sea. China knows India's options for land aggression along the Himalayan frontier is low (might grab bits of land) but expanding into Chinese territory with long supply lines in remote region for both sides is a deterrent.

https://www.airuniversity.af.edu/CASI/In-Their-Own-Words/Article-Display/Article/2485204/plas-science-of-military-strategy-2013/

Read from "IV. . India’s military strategy"...64 ( page 77) it's quite revealing how Chinese view India (in 2013) and it's evolving strategy. Pasted below for easy reference

The orientation of India’s strategic objectives may advance from regional dominance toward global participation, its strategic guidance will put more emphasis on active offense, its strategic deployments will be reflected more in its intentions to control the South Asian subcontinent and the
Indian Ocean, and it will give more stress to paying attention to both the land and the sea, and to stabilizing the western front, strengthening the northern front, advancing to the east and expanding to the south, and to developing toward the sea; its forms of operations will pay more attention to joint air-land operations, mobile operations, and information warfare by the various services and service arms; the building of its military strengths will change from being inward toward being outward “trans-border operational strengths;” and it will vigorously develop a new type of system of operations that will have as their backbone aircraft carriers, fourth-generation fighters, nuclear submarines, ballistic missiles and cruise missiles as well as anti-missile systems and outer space military systems

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby ramana » 13 Feb 2021 04:39

Dean, If you can read Crisis Game by Sidney Griffin Chapter 7 Kashmir.
Although a game it's a pincers between Pak and China.
It's possible Galwan riposte forestalled the Paki move.

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Philip Maldives turnaround was no fortune or luck.

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rrrao, No phone calls did not have anything to do. They were parallel activities.
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raja_m please go through my reply to Hari Nair.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Prem Kumar » 13 Feb 2021 13:34

This LAC standoff has been a great success for India on so many counts:

1) Military: buried the ghosts of 1962 & the 10-ft chinaman. Put the fear of God into them.
2) Economy: huge boost to Atmanirbharta, realization that we cannot achieve greatness using imported arms, urgency in military modernization, realization that we can economically hurt China but the reverse isn't true
3) Diplomacy: vaccine diplomacy, isolation of China, recognition worldover for Tibet, Taiwan, Xinjiang, Hong Kong. Strengthening of bonds with Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc. Our MEA seems stronger than ever before and more pro-active
4) Strategic Purpose: The diminished obsession over that mosquito called Pakistan. The realization that we are destined to become a world power and can do it in our own, independent way

None of this means that we will let our guard down. If anything, it means that we're starting to recognize the need to make space for ourselves & if that means that a few eggs be cracked, so be it.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Cyrano » 13 Feb 2021 14:34

Raja_m,
Thats is a plausible theory from a military perspective. Going by the recent budget, Navy has the least outlay as it has been for many years.

Coming to the disengagement agreement at Pangog-Tso, it seems IA will not go beyond Finger 3, and PLA will stay at Sirijap and not come down beyond F8. The lake does a near 90°bend at Finger 4. So IA troops stationed at Finger 3 will have no line of sight beyond F4 and the "buffer zone" until F8 and Sirijap will be invisible from the IA camp. PLA stationed at Sirijap suffers from no such disadvantage with clear line of sight on the "buffer zone" until F4.

IA needs a higher vantage point either from the F3/F4 ridges or arial surveillance or surveillance equipment set up at the F4 bend on the north bank. They also need set up a surveillance point on the opposite (south) bank across the water body.

Nothing that IA cant do, but has to bear the burden of doing it, day in day out. Wonder why they agreed to this!

No info has come regarding to access limits on the lake itself so not sure if IA patrol craft can patrol in the northern part of the lake beyond the F4 bend, and vice-versa.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Philip » 13 Feb 2021 15:24

The PRC is apprehensive about fighting a war on two fronts, in the ICS against the Yanquis and co. and sgainst India in the Himalayas. India's string riposte certainly shocked the slityy-eyed yellow shits ( pardon my awful comments), who thought the usual skinching of the LAC and some argy-bargy would see us scuttling for cover as before, not wanting a fire-fight and destroying the diplomatic status quo. With the US ramping up their forces in the Indo-China Sea, 2 nuclear-powered carriers,etc., sailing as they please defying Chin diktats about movement of their warships through contested international waters, the PRC is very worried especially if India as a Quad member decides to join the posse should a spat arise.

Therefore,a temporary cooling off in the Himalayas is desired as India is not by nature an aggressor nation. The PRC by its standards has not lost face as it has definitely intruded into
unmarked areas which we have claimed ours. Keeping their powder dry to face any US & co. threat is of far greater danger and value that stark rock, ice and snow in the Himalayas. But the PRC
cannot be trusted and the worst case scenario has to be factored in

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby yensoy » 13 Feb 2021 16:09

nam wrote:The worst the Chinis can do is go to war. If they win, we will formally get allied with US. It it results in stalemate, we will still get allied with US.

Are we willing to become treaty partners of the US? Will the US want us as treaty allies? If we and US sign up, will they actually back us if we are attacked? Or will they exclude disputed boundaries as "pre-existent conditions" in the treaty insurance package? Will they share our perception of attack and loss of territory or loss of access? What other price will we have to pay to join the US bandwagon - further "opening up" by letting in big financials, Harley and such overpriced luxuries, or evangelicals? How will different US political parties and administrations view their responsibilities under the treaty?

US treaty is overblown. We may ally tactically and even strategically, but we are basically on our own. This is our war to fight.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Kakkaji » 13 Feb 2021 23:24

Posting in full as there are a lot of interesting details.

How Modi made IT ministry burn the midnight oil to ban Chinese apps

NEW DELHI: The decision to ban Chinese origin apps including TikTok and WeChat, just ahead of the third round of talks between Indian and Chinese military commanders, saw the information and technology ministry work through the night to put together the extensive paperwork needed for the unprecedented measures.

As the blinds were pulled across the windows in IT minister Ravi Shankar Prasad’s office to ensure the flurry of activity was not noticed, top officials worked on a specific brief from Prime Minister Narendra Modi: the ban must be announced before the talks began. The ministry brass, along with law officials, finished the paperwork just in time.

Conventional wisdom might have advocated a more cautious approach ahead of sensitive military talks at a time when Chinese forces enjoyed an advantage along the LAC — it was not until late August that a surprise Indian manoeuvre altered the balance. But the PM was clear that China got an unequivocal message after the savage clash at Galwan.

The disengagement announced at Pangong Tso, so far proceeding smoothly, was the most difficult aspect of the de-escalation discussed at military and diplomatic levels over the past several months. The Chinese occupied the ridges amid reports of a helipad being built. The whole of government approach adopted in countering China across political, economic and diplomatic spheres was, sources said, a completely new experience for the Chinese.

The repeated signals that India would not step back even at the risk of a showdown with an economically and militarily stronger opponent effectively stalemated the situation. The frenzied Chinese reaction to the Indian action in taking the heights in south Pangong were a giveaway. The midnight statements and warnings of conflict indicated that their plans had gone very wrong.

The agreement thereafter — following a few unsuccessful Chinese bids to intrude — to halt all probing movements was a breakthrough of sorts. It stabilised the LAC in an uneasy truce that nevertheless held despite the close proximity of troops.

The developments hold a larger lesson as China’s leaders have had to accept the plan to reorder the LAC permanently to their advantage was not going to happen. The occupation of the Finger 4-8 area was a key part of the scheme. For now, India will also be out of the area, but so will the PLA.

The test of Gogra-Hot Springs, Patrol Point 17 and Depsang lies ahead and will require more grit and patience. But the denouement of the faceoff was being keenly watched not just in South Asia and the Indo-Pacific but also within China.


So, Ravi Shankar Prasad is not as big a nincompoop as many on BRF make him out to be.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Prem Kumar » 13 Feb 2021 23:40

The prime mover was Modi, as usual. If it was RS Prasad's idea to hit back by banning the apps, I will give him credit. Otherwise no.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby YashG » 13 Feb 2021 23:58

Someone said here, this quick retreat - what's the catch?

I'm just wondering has India offered draw down of border construction activities as a bargain chip to PLA? We had been on a brisk border infra spree. Something that cheek didn't tk lightly. So after allthis hullaboo - is the perhaps a tacit give and take on thinning of border infra that has been bargained by cheen?

I wonder!

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby YashG » 14 Feb 2021 00:02

Prem Kumar wrote:The prime mover was Modi, as usual. If it was RS Prasad's idea to hit back by banning the apps, I will give him credit. Otherwise no.


Modi has changed many chapters in the playbook for GoI. Pak attack, stare at Doklam, banning Chinese apps, 370 are just a few. He will be remembered for a long time for that. His playbook will work even after him.
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby darshan » 14 Feb 2021 01:10

Not the thread for it but let's not get too carried about the app banning. There were plenty of reasons before the Galwan incident to have all chinese phones and apps banned. Especially in regards to escorts, havala, gambling, shark loans, etc. There were already real deaths happening due to chinese. To wait till Galwan episode is nothing short of a crime.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby nam » 14 Feb 2021 03:15

yensoy wrote:Are we willing to become treaty partners of the US? Will the US want us as treaty allies? If we and US sign up, will they actually back us if we are attacked? Or will they exclude disputed boundaries as "pre-existent conditions" in the treaty insurance package? Will they share our perception of attack and loss of territory or loss of access? What other price will we have to pay to join the US bandwagon - further "opening up" by letting in big financials, Harley and such overpriced luxuries, or evangelicals? How will different US political parties and administrations view their responsibilities under the treaty?

US treaty is overblown. We may ally tactically and even strategically, but we are basically on our own. This is our war to fight.


We don't need treaties. We need what US gave the Chinese to aligning itself against the Soviet. Did the Chinese make any treaties with US, which helped them be a 15T GDP today?

We need US support to hit the Chinese where it hurts the most. It's exports. US wants to bring down China and we want the same.

Any Chinese war with us, irrespective of the result will require PLA guarding every km of the 3500KM long LAC, all year long. It may or may not result in a treaty with US, however China will become a adversary with complete economic and diplomatic breakdown.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Kakkaji » 14 Feb 2021 03:23

Parliamentary panel on defence intends to visit Galwan Valley, Pangong in eastern Ladakh: Sources

The parliamentary standing committee on defence intends to visit the Galwan Valley and the Pangong lake in the eastern Ladakh region which has been witness to a violent stand-off between the troops of India and China, sources said.

The 30-member committee, chaired by senior BJP leader and former Union Minister Jual Oram and of which Congress leader Rahul Gandhi is a member, intends to visit the eastern Ladakh region in the last week of May or June, the sources said on Friday.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Kakkaji » 14 Feb 2021 03:35

Forgotten hero who brought Tawang under Indian Union to be honoured

Tawang: Major Ralengnao Bob Khathing, who was instrumental in bringing Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh under the Indian Union, will be honoured for the first time on Sunday here in presence of Chief of Defence Staff General Bipin Rawat, two chief ministers, a central minister and a governor.

As an assistant political officer of the erstwhile North East Frontier Agency (NEFA) and present-day Arunachal Pradesh, Khathing had carried out an audacious operation to bring Tawang under the Indian Union in the early 1950s under the direct supervision of the then Assam governor Jairamdas Daulatram.

"Khathing was one of the most significant heroes of India whose immense contribution cannot be forgotten. A due recognition will be given to Khathing, who was so far neglected," Rijiju told.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby ramana » 14 Feb 2021 04:35

The app ban was one of the non-linear targeted response to LAC confrontation. China expected only border response.

Had they watched how Pakistan MFN was canceled after Pulwama, no more tomatoes for Paki bharta, and trade stopped, they would have learned the lesson.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby ramana » 14 Feb 2021 04:38

YashG wrote:Someone said here, this quick retreat - what's the catch?

I'm just wondering has India offered draw down of border construction activities as a bargain chip to PLA? We had been on a brisk border infra spree. Something that cheek didn't tk lightly. So after allthis hullaboo - is the perhaps a tacit give and take on thinning of border infra that has been bargained by cheen?

I wonder!


First don't know who was speculating this idly.

Nothing was offered. RM statement in Lok Sabha means it's the truth and nothing but truth for he can be censured with privilege motion.

So if you know who it us tell them it's plain wrong.

In fact next few months you will see more roads opened up.

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Postby Kakkaji » 14 Feb 2021 08:15

ramana wrote:The app ban was one of the non-linear targeted response to LAC confrontation. China expected only border response.


The follow-up actions are continuing to disengage economically from China as much as possible.

The PLI schemes for mobiles, electronics, Textiles, Drugs and Pharmaceuticals are being rolled out one-by-one. Each of them is aimed at stopping India's cash flow to China. I don't think GoI will stop or reverse course from this path now.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby ramana » 14 Feb 2021 09:56

Also we need to take our place in the world economy.
As Amit Shah said recent budget puts India on road to $5T economy

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Aditya_V » 14 Feb 2021 10:53

YashG wrote:Someone said here, this quick retreat - what's the catch?

I'm just wondering has India offered draw down of border construction activities as a bargain chip to PLA? We had been on a brisk border infra spree. Something that cheek didn't tk lightly. So after allthis hullaboo - is the perhaps a tacit give and take on thinning of border infra that has been bargained by cheen?

I wonder!


Its not easy for the PLA to sit in Tibet on the border with India- they also had a lot of altitude related casualties for conscripts- they need a quick victory and withdraw- they dont want to manning and supplying their forces for long periods of time in Tibet. they want 1962 type situation.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby abhishekm » 14 Feb 2021 17:17

Sorry for the random message. I ran into NDTV's Vishnu Som at Delhi Airport yesterday and got talking about the Ladakh situation, Tejas, etc. During our interaction Vishnu said he occasionally posts on BRF under a pseudonym (been doing so for several years). I wonder if our Adminullahs are aware?

I thought it was interesting. Just hoping Shoo Claw isn't here under another name :lol:

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby vijayk » 14 Feb 2021 19:31

abhishekm wrote:Sorry for the random message. I ran into NDTV's Vishnu Som at Delhi Airport yesterday and got talking about the Ladakh situation, Tejas, etc. During our interaction Vishnu said he occasionally posts on BRF under a pseudonym (been doing so for several years). I wonder if our Adminullahs are aware?

I thought it was interesting. Just hoping Shoo Claw isn't here under another name :lol:


Why is he in rNDTV?That's my question for him :rotfl:

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Vishnu » 14 Feb 2021 20:28

Nope ... thats not true and I never mentioned that to anyone. I don't believe in posting under pseudonyms. I occasionally venture onto this site but have stopped posting here on any regular basis for years. So not sure where you got that.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby manjgu » 14 Feb 2021 20:29

vishnusom is free to work anywhere ... i thought he posted as vishnu ... quite clear that he was posting as vishnu.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby vijayk » 14 Feb 2021 20:30

https://swarajyamag.com/news-brief/batt ... with-china
Battle Of Nerves: How India Negotiated The Ladakh Disengagement Deal With China

Earlier this week, Indian and Chinese forces, which had remained deployed in eastern Ladakh through the winters and for nearly nine months since April last year, started disengaging in areas north and south of the Pangong Lake.

Negotiations for disengagement, which stretched over nine rounds, was a “constant battle of nerves”, says journalist Nitin Gokhale.

India’s prolonged and difficult negotiations, he writes, resulted in a “rare written document” that details sequential steps of the disengagement process, the places and distances the armoured elements and other weapons platforms would be moved, and how talks over remaining issues will take place.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Vishnu » 14 Feb 2021 20:50

abhishekm wrote:Sorry for the random message. I ran into NDTV's Vishnu Som at Delhi Airport yesterday :lol:


Also ... I wasn't at the airport yesterday so I guess you must have been speaking to my ghost. :roll:

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby VinodTK » 15 Feb 2021 03:35

Those criticising troop pull-back at Pangong Tso are ignorant of facts — Army ex-chief Malik

New Delhi: Former Army chief Gen. V.P. Malik (retd) has said it is too early to hope for peace and tranquillity along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Ladakh, but called for continuation of strategic and economic measures adopted against China. Gen. Malik also expressed surprise about the criticism of the ongoing disengagement process at Pangong Tso, such as claims that India has ceded territory, saying it was mostly due to ignorance of facts and politico-military understanding or sheer prejudice.
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Shankas » 15 Feb 2021 03:56

Reading between the lines we can see what the Congress-CCCP Mou was all about

Congress is providing the face-saving narrative for Eleven
Rahul Gandhi has been screaming that India has ceded land to China.
This will be played by Eleven as victory

Here are some headlines from last week

timesofindia.indiatimes.com › india › articleshow
Rahul Gandhi: PM Modi a coward, can't stand up to China ...
3 days ago — India News: Congress leader Rahul Gandhi on Friday called PM Modi "a coward" who cannot stand up to the Chinese. While addressing a ...

www.news18.com › news › india ›modi-has-given-par...
'Part of India's Territory Given to China': Rahul Gandhi's ...
3 days ago — 'Part of India's Territory Given to China': Rahul Gandhi's Explosive Attack on ... Official sources said withdrawal of tanks and other armoured ...

www.financialexpress.com › India News
PM Narendra Modi a coward who cannot stand up to China ...
3 days ago — Rahul Gandhi questioned the government over the withdrawal of troops ... India-China standoff: Rahul Gandhi questioned, "Why have Chinese ...

www.hindustantimes.com › india-news › forces-ready-...
'This isn't give and take': Rahul Gandhi attacks PM Modi over ...
3 days ago — Rahul Gandhi's sharp attack on the government comes a day after defence ... about the agreement between the Indian Army and China's People's ... The Congress leader also asked why the Chinese army hadn't withdrawn ...

www.timesnownews.com › India News
'Why has China not withdrawn from our territory?' asks Rahul ...
2 days ago — ... Congress leader Rahul Gandhi sought an explanation from the Central government asking why China has not withdrawn its troops from India ...


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