India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby sudeepj » 18 Feb 2021 23:23

Kudos to the Indian Army and the humble village lads who looked the Dlagon in the eye and forced it to slink away.

Jai Ma Bharati!

The sequence of deescalation steps, with the vacating of the Kailash range being the last and upcoming discussions on Depsang mean India won this round. As for what was the real motive of the Chinese in this, it could have been:

1. Forcing the IA to station troops on the LAC semi-permanently to deter chindi-chor/salami slicing ops, thereby making it easier for the Pukes on the LOC and for their navy in the Indo-Pacific.
The Indian counter measure on the Kailash range showed that India would take the initiative and not restrict itself to just trying to vacate the incursions. The Chinese might have faced larger losses in other regions of the LAC.

2. Threatening India with an unwanted border conflict derailing Indian growth and creating new realities in Indian politics.
The Indian border build up made it clear that it was the Chinese who faced equal risks for losing and the creation of a new reality within the CCP! The blind mechanization of their army meant they could not really fight a mountain war effectively.

They will need at least a few years to digest the lessons. Acclimatized infantry, use of arty as a fighting arm and independent, trustworthy, competent commanders and gee-whiz technology enabled weapons. This will take some time to build up, with technology enabled weapons being the fastest and easiest route for their political economy.

At this time, some of our think tanks should analyze what technology they are most likely to use (drones, ultra high mountain mobility vehicles, guided weapons) and develop denial strategies and counter measures as also own similar technology.

This was probably only the first round and we should be ready for more.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby nam » 19 Feb 2021 00:40

Despite numerous articles by "experts" about why Chini did what they did, no one seems to have come to a right conclusion.

This is the only article which I found to have given a good reason.

https://warontherocks.com/2020/06/chinas-strategic-assessment-of-the-ladakh-clash/

The 2019 election result also added to the issue. The Chinis, along with lot of "spreading democracy" gang in the western world were fairly confident that Modi cannot take on all the parties and win. The best he could get is a broken win.

The massive majority surprised them. No wonder the Chini Eleven was the first to come running to India to gauge the temperature. Modi being the political player gave the usual "we are all same kuthubam", which Eleven probably thought, that Modi didn't want to spoil the relation with China.

As soon as the winter has passed from the visit, PLA moved in to lay down the "physiological deterrence". It is also possible the Chinis were expecting a trump win. So it was important for them to get the deterrence solidified to prevent the border infra and getting in to US camp.

Trump's lost. No point trying too hard to hold the land and push India in to US camp. Disengage to not give India the reason to continue towards US side.

I am pretty sure there will now be pressure from the Russians to "normalize" relation with the Chinis.
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby shyamd » 19 Feb 2021 01:01

I don’t think it’s time to celebrate. There was a back channel diplomacy between Russia India and China. They are trying to arrange a summit in Delhi in the next few months.

Something related to Belt and road is being negotiated

We’ll know soon.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby V_Raman » 19 Feb 2021 01:12

Interesting. If the woke dispensation in USA takes root - India-China reproachment will happen. Good for Asia IMO.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Atmavik » 19 Feb 2021 01:40

a few side effects of this stand off.

1. LCH tested again in Ladhak
2. there was talk about DRDO and L&T building a Light Tank based on the K-9 vajra.
3. report today that 3 K-9 vajra's are being tested in ladhak.
4. Kalyani - M4 ordered

hope this gives a push to Indian built platforms. have we tested Tata's Krestel in ladhak yet ?

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby nam » 19 Feb 2021 01:54

V_Raman wrote:Interesting. If the woke dispensation in USA takes root - India-China reproachment will happen. Good for Asia IMO.


Not good for us.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby nam » 19 Feb 2021 02:01

From the Chinese perspective, any Trump victory might have even resulted in US forces getting deployed in India..It would have become even more important for them to gain leverage over us on the LAC infra build up.

The Chinis started agreeing for a disengagement, as soon as Trump lost the election.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Rakesh » 19 Feb 2021 02:04

nam wrote:The Chinis started agreeing for a disengagement, as soon as Trump lost the election.

That is not true.

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 69027?s=20 ---> Ladakh: Till August Chinese were not relenting in high level meetings. But after Aug 29-30 action by Indian Army, the Chinese were looking for a face saver in all subsequent meetings, says Northern Army commander.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby nam » 19 Feb 2021 02:08

Rakesh wrote:
nam wrote:The Chinis started agreeing for a disengagement, as soon as Trump lost the election.

That is not true.


8th round talks were in Nov 1st week. 9th round in 24 Jan, where they would have given the go ahead. Biden swear-in 20 Jan.

If they had made a deal in 8th round, no reason to make the soldiers sit in that cold place for nearly 2 months.

Other than US president confirmation.

The Chinis may have discussed the modalities from Aug onwards, but the Go-No Go came on 24 Jan. We know they could have easily broken or delayed the go ahead.
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Postby shaun » 19 Feb 2021 02:10

Atmavik wrote:..

hope this gives a push to Indian built platforms. have we tested Tata's Krestel in ladhak yet ?


Yes tested / testing in ladhak

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Rakesh » 19 Feb 2021 02:19

nam wrote:
Rakesh wrote:That is not true.


8th round talks were in Nov 1st week. 9th round in 24 Jan, where they would have given the go ahead. Biden swear-in 20 Jan.

If they had made a deal in 8th round, no reason to make the soldiers sit in that cold place for nearly 2 months.

Other than US president confirmation.

The Chinis may have discussed the modalities from Aug onwards, but the Go-No Go came on 24 Jan. We know they could have easily broken or delayed the go ahead.

Taking away from the crux of the issue and then conveniently stitching events together to form a narrative, does not change the ground reality.

This was a victory for the Indian Army and the Govt of India. But negotiations and talks take time. Both sides have to air out their concerns and get them addressed. This issue is not something that can get resolved over the course of a single meeting.

I will go with what Lt Gen YK Joshi has to say over your narrative. He knows and is aware of the ground reality far better than any of us. If he states the PLA came to the negotiation table after Aug 29-30, looking for a face saver...then that is what will remain as true. Unless, you can provide a better view of the situation on the ground over Lt Gen YK Joshi. If you do, please share.

If you believe that in the 9th round (on Jan 24th) that they got the go ahead, please provide the evidence.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby V_Raman » 19 Feb 2021 02:43

Lt Gen YK Joshi is the final word on this - China lost. no 2 ways about it. Whats happens now - might be due to other reasons. But not related...

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby ramana » 19 Feb 2021 05:03

There is roadmap or path forward in RM statements Parliament and subsequent MoD press release.
And before that some meetings to give go-ahead.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby ramana » 19 Feb 2021 05:05

Deans wrote:
nachiket wrote:Just to add, he was the Commanding officer of Capt. Vikram Batra (13 JAK Rifles) and himself won a Vir Chakra for leading from the front in the battle to capture Point 5140.


He took over command of 13 JAK Rifles in the middle of the war and 2 of his men got the PVC - Capt Vikram Batra & Rifleman Sanjay Kumar.

And 13 JAK Rifles got 37 gallantry awards for Kargil and soeacl regimental honor.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby VinodTK » 19 Feb 2021 05:06

Indian Army deploys K-9 Vajra howitzers in Ladakh for high altitude operations, more orders possible
Indian Army chief Gen Manoj Mukund Naravane inducted the last of the 100 K-9 Vajra guns ordered, three of these howitzers have been deployed for trials in high altitude mountainous area of Ladakh.

Three guns arrived in Leh yesterday and are being transported to a high altitude base to be tested if they can be used in high altitude areas against the enemy, top government sources told ANI on Thursday.

Based on the performance of the guns, the Indian Army would consider placing orders for two to three additional regiments of the self-propelled howitzers for mountain operations, sources said.

The Army chief has been monitoring the induction and operations of the howitzers produced in the
Larsen and Toubro ......
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby ramana » 19 Feb 2021 05:15

Great news. The last line.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Kakkaji » 19 Feb 2021 06:56

Centre okays 18 border foot tracks in Arunachal Pradesh

The government has approved creation of 18 border patrol tracks in Arunachal Pradesh to improve patrolling along the India-China border, as proposed by a home ministry committee, said officials. This will help the Indian Army and Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) develop infrastructure in inaccessible areas adjoining China, they said.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby D.Mahesh » 19 Feb 2021 06:58

YashG wrote:
D.Mahesh wrote:
Re media. Our DDM Angrezi media is completely compromised.


Just to be sure DDM Angrezi media is now just NDTV. All major broadcasting TV channels (Nt counting print media, blog types) - Zee, Times Now, India Today, Aajtak, Headlines today etc. are pretty much in sync with GoI mostly.


Angrezi Print and On-Line

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Postby D.Mahesh » 19 Feb 2021 07:01

John wrote:Not suprised they willing to swallow this and move on because they sense a bigger opportunity at land grab elsewhere. As I been saying I expect China to turn its attention on Russia they realize Putin is venerable in post Trump era.

Are you crazy? Putin isn't. And Eleven definitely is not.

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Postby Rakesh » 19 Feb 2021 07:19

This is what happens when the political leadership gives free reign to the Army Chief to conduct operations as they see fit. That in turn filters down to the Army Commander, then Corps Commander and so on. Another hard hitting interview with Lt Gen YK Joshi, GOC of Northern Command.

Northern Army Commander Lt General Y K Joshi interview:
‘Tanks at Rechin La, Rezang La turned tables on PLA, brought them to talks’

https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... t-7193282/
18 Feb 2021

Q. Is vacating the heights, which the Defence Minister said are strategically important points and helped us maintain the edge, a good idea for what we have got in return on the Northern Bank?

A. As is known, PLA was occupying areas up to Finger 4 and the heights dominating Finger 4 till 29/30 August. Five rounds of talks had happened and engagements at other levels, PLA was not agreeing to withdraw from North Bank. A quid pro quo action was executed by us on the night of 29/30 August by which we occupied the most dominating features of Rechin La- Rezang La complex on the Kailash Range, thus dominating upto Moldo garrison and areas well in depth. In a simultaneous action, we also occupied the heights dominating PLA positions along Finger 4. We were able to place tanks at Rechin La and Rezang La which was unthinkable before. This turned the tables on the PLA and brought them on the negotiating tables. PLA was still hoping that the Indian Army would relent and they will be able to retain the areas on North Bank. Within next three Corps Commanders level talks, the realisation dawned on them that nothing less than status quo ante April 2020 would be acceptable to us. This explains the advantage achieved by a well planned, rehearsed and executed operation. There was a total surprise. I give the entire credit to the junior leaders who led and conducted this operation creating the leverage for the negotiations and finally PLA accepting to retract from its positions on all friction points and hopefully demobilizing back to permanent peace locations. Hence, the purpose behind occupying heights along Kailash Range will be achieved. Restoration of status quo ante April 2020 in these areas means that PLA as well as Indian troops revert back to the positions as in April 2020.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby D.Mahesh » 19 Feb 2021 07:44

nam wrote:Despite numerous articles by "experts"....

From the article At this time, Beijing longs for foreign policy victories and has no appetite for any perceived defeat or transgression, for fear of domestic discontent, which was already high due to the COVID-19 crisis.

Actually Russia has little leverage over India. Russia has to be cordial with India, as excessive cordiality with China will weaken Russia- slow poison. India has money to buy stuff, and Russia'd better make good stuff or India will go elsewhere.

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Postby Rakesh » 19 Feb 2021 07:46

https://twitter.com/hukum2082/status/13 ... 11531?s=20 ---> As SFC TELARs broke cover and moved into position in Upper Assam, Beijing realised that this wasn't the script they had in mind. While tactical gains were notched up by special forces and consolidated by tanks, it was the deployment of key assets which made them see reason.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby manjgu » 19 Feb 2021 08:14

what if tomorrow PLA in a quick move occupies heights on (Kailash range + top of F4) and comes in till f4... what will be indian response? though the Commanders on ground know best, i still feel we had some solid cards and gave it away for little.

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Postby vikassh » 19 Feb 2021 10:38

manjgu wrote:what if tomorrow PLA in a quick move occupies heights on (Kailash range + top of F4) and comes in till f4... what will be indian response? though the Commanders on ground know best, i still feel we had some solid cards and gave it away for little.


In his ‘The Print’ interview, Nitin Gokhale says, that we have capability and it can easily give us a notice of 4-5 hours when Chinese will start from their bases. He thinks we can outrun them and checks and balances have been put in place to monitor them now. He also mentions what happened in early 2020, when they outmanoeuvred us, shouldn’t happen again. Possibly army got it’s lesson as well on how much sugars can be trusted.

Around 26:00 min onwards

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby YashG » 19 Feb 2021 11:53

D.Mahesh wrote:
YashG wrote:
Just to be sure DDM Angrezi media is now just NDTV. All major broadcasting TV channels (Nt counting print media, blog types) - Zee, Times Now, India Today, Aajtak, Headlines today etc. are pretty much in sync with GoI mostly.


Angrezi Print and On-Line


Online/Print - which is also online now - doesnt count - they dont have the reach like TV channels. In villages and towns of India, people just watch TV. The mainstream media is now definitely non-lutyens.

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Postby YashG » 19 Feb 2021 12:00

vikassh wrote:
manjgu wrote:what if tomorrow PLA in a quick move occupies heights on (Kailash range + top of F4) and comes in till f4... what will be indian response? though the Commanders on ground know best, i still feel we had some solid cards and gave it away for little.


In his ‘The Print’ interview, Nitin Gokhale says, that we have capability and it can easily give us a notice of 4-5 hours when Chinese will start from their bases. He thinks we can outrun them and checks and balances have been put in place to monitor them now. He also mentions what happened in early 2020, when they outmanoeuvred us, shouldn’t happen again. Possibly army got it’s lesson as well on how much sugars can be trusted.

Around 26:00 min onwards


Usually top controlled bot-soldiers of a communist regime are no match for free-thinking soldiers of a democracy. Our upbringing trains us in thinking creatively through tough situations, think on our feet, bring tactical surprises to solid strategic plans.

Thats how it works in all other fields too.

"place tanks at Rechin La and Rezang La which was unthinkable before. " - from the interview

Gurus please shed your opinion on this more.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby manjgu » 19 Feb 2021 14:01

1) actually i am surprised to hear tanks at Rechin /Rezang la... is the gradient gentle enough for tanks to drive upto those heights or what? or is it flat ground around spanggur gap? 2) on the think on our feet aspect (eg kargil), that comes with huge loss of life. we must choose options which prevent such situations from reoccurring. I hope IA is v clear on what to do if PLA comes into F4..f8, kailash ranges etc. No more PLA stabbed ur in the back bleating/broke trust etc. 3) how far will the armour/heavy artillery go back to? it should be atleast a location 3 or 4 days away. 4) how serioulsy we focus on infra in coming summers will be a good indication if we have learnt right lessons.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Manish_Sharma » 19 Feb 2021 15:28

TWITTER:

DAEROPLATE WROTE:

by choosing to hide and lie about few dozen casualties of a comparatively small fight, cheen has shown weakness and some peculiar facets of their society. the recruits carrying the emperors sword were surely not the upper middle class kids of the coast but rural folks ... 1/n

rural lads who in any country tend to be hardy and up for any fight. india or usa do not shy away from fairly reporting casualties quite quickly, unpleasant as the news is - the govt is trusted on this, and media is open ... 2/n

this despite the US per capita being a very rich country but militarized social attitudes and deep state and while there is truimphalist/exceptionalist rhetoric they do not downplay their enemies infact up-play it. ..India is anyway very modest even about strengths .. 3/n

cheen has 1-child issue of survivors from any calamity, 1-party rule that pegs itself to absolute order and growth curve, and a media show carefully run to do the truimphalist rhetoric and deride india as weak, pathetic & powerless..though they grudgingly admit usa power 4/n

so while their society may be ok with manpower losses in a fight with the US, admission of any loss or setback however minor against India who they have run down for decades is a no-go area. which means they will be wary about unpredictable contact battles once it starts...5/n

nationalist youth on social media fed on compulsory political edu since tiananmen will demand a cycle of escalation which peking may feel unwise. India is the biggest "barbarian" on its desert-jungle-steppe rim around middle kingdom. defiant and refuses to pay tribute anymore 6/n

whatever mental cage they had locked indian foreign policy apparatus since 1962 has collapsed. field is wide open now for the "barbarians" from all sides to take a cue and start probing the resolve of the middle kingdom. avalanches always start with one cough or slip...7/n

such bagawat/a bushfire cannot be allowed to burn credibility of the leadership. if current "controlled admissions" do not bury whole episode & ASEAN does not remain suitably shivering & cowed down, emperor will have to set Pak on us or get back in to "teach india its place" 8/n

Pak being pak, the most slippery eel in the sea , will do nothing of risking its blood for the emperor, which means the emperors legions will have to invade "germania" again to teach the "barbarians" another lesson. this time we need to be fully ready - teutoborg forest.

in world capitals, the intel agencies have the true picture. those who make big decisions 'know' the kind of brutal violence coupled with mirror posturing india can inflict now. the chessboard has changed.

https://twitter.com/daeroplate_v2/statu ... 73283?s=19

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby SSridhar » 19 Feb 2021 17:00

Now China claims that it lost only 4 at Galwan !!

Read this ROTFL lies & excuses.

China-India border clash in June left four Chinese dead, one injured, report reveals
China has for the first time revealed that four of its soldiers were killed, and one seriously wounded, in last year’s Himalayan border clash with India.

Previously unknown details of the violent brawl, which broke out between PLA and Indian troops in the Galwan Valley in June, were also made public, in a PLA Daily newspaper report on Friday detailing honours awarded to the five soldiers.

According to the report, which blamed India for the casualties without naming it, the deadly encounter was sparked by Indian troops crossing to the Chinese side of the Line of Actual Control between the two countries in the remote region. Until now, it had only been confirmed that at least one Chinese soldier was killed in the encounter . . .

Qi Fabao, the regimental commander from the PLA Xinjiang Military Command, who survived the incident, was given a hero award, along with battalion commander Chen Hongjun, who was honoured posthumously.

According to the report, the soldiers had accompanied Qi in an attempt to negotiate in the disputed border area. They were waist-deep in a river crossing when they were “violently ambushed” by troops who outnumbered them and who “premeditatedly hid” and “tried to force the Chinese military to concede”.

The Chinese soldiers defended the sovereignty of the country amid attacks of “steel tubes, cudgels and stones”, the newspaper said. Qi organised his soldiers into combat formations and engaged, but sustained a serious head injury in the attack. According to military doctor Han Ziwei, Qi sustained an extended fracture on his left forehead.

“As we were wrapping him up, he pulled off the bandage and tried to rush off to fight more. That was the last bit of strength left in him, and he passed out right after,” Han said.

“When facing enemies that outnumbered us, none of us flinched. Amid their stone attacks, we drove them away,” Chen Xiangrong, who later died from his injuries, wrote in his diary. The young soldier, who was just 18, shielded his superiors with his own body from the thrown rocks, which fell “like rainfall” according to the report.

Chinese defence ministry spokesman Ren Guoqiang said China had decided to reveal the details of casualties on Friday to clear up rumours over the incident.

“The Indian army illegally crossed the line and took the lead in provocation, attacking the Chinese and creating conflicts in Galwan Valley. The Indian side was solely responsible for it,” he said. “The Indian side has repeatedly hyped up casualties and distorted the truth.” {After Lt. Gen. Joshi's interview?}


Lin Minwang, international studies professor at Fudan University and an expert in Sino-India relations, said postponing the announcement of Chinese casualties until the withdrawal started last week was a balancing act intended to deter relations from worsening. The Chinese government has been under intense scrutiny for refraining from casualty announcements, Lin said, but it was a matter of geopolitical interest, with a resolution of the border conflict seen as a higher priority. :D

“It was actually highly controversial to delay acknowledging the casualties and the government also owed it to the sacrificed soldiers to properly honour them in public so the announcement was just a matter of time. The key was finding the right time to do it,” Lin said.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby shyamd » 19 Feb 2021 19:22

There is lots of speculation as to why Beijing withdrew or came to the table. What I'm told (none will surprise you):

- I think PLA originally planned for this to be a short confrontation/occupation with things settled before winter.
- Xi is trying to be a strong man internally and part of that is acting as a hawk - hence most neighbours were facing similar issues with PRC
- Beijing was wrong footed with IA/Spec Forces Aug 29/30 operation to dominate heights.
- Media finds out and PLA/Xi need to maintain 'toughness' image
- Covert negotiation by India for last 2 months with Jaishankar/Doval.
- PLA was battered by the bad weather. IA/Intel wallas all reported limited winter gear with PLA. IA went on media campaign to show better equipment. IA had much much better equipment for winter.

Speed to withdraw by PRC was probably weather related...

Apparently Chinese offered to disengage in Nov - it was Delhi that said no lets stay the course.. So well done for showing the nerve.

PRC want their road to TSP and India to join BRI. GOI said how can I do that when your troops or on our territory? Depsang is a key location and IA/PLA are discussing this today.

It is not over by any means.

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Postby Sonugn » 19 Feb 2021 20:00

rajkumar wrote:
Sonugn wrote:Unbelievable meltdown & name calling from a certain Indian CCP shrill on twitter who boasted about PLA algorithmic warfare & warp drives.

PLA moving back has impacted him at the personal level.


Please post link for us to enjoy...


Sorry Sir, Mods might be angry at that.

You can find it on twitter.
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Sonugn » 19 Feb 2021 20:05

shyamd wrote:I don’t think it’s time to celebrate. There was a back channel diplomacy between Russia India and China. They are trying to arrange a summit in Delhi in the next few months.

Something related to Belt and road is being negotiated

We’ll know soon.


Is this an indication that CCP orchestrated the border standoff as a bargaining chip for our entry to BRI?

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Rakesh » 19 Feb 2021 20:34

SSridhar wrote:Now China claims that it lost only 4 at Galwan !!

Read this ROTFL lies & excuses.

Some more on this SSridhar-ji....

https://twitter.com/Chopsyturvey/status ... 77153?s=20 ---> As Chinese and Indian forces disengage around Pangong Lake, the PLA Daily carries a front page story about the Galwan battle, naming at least four of the many soldiers who died. The TASS report hurt them.

https://twitter.com/Firezstarter1/statu ... 18758?s=20 ---> After TASS said 45 casualties, so a face saver to reduce the number had to be found.

https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/136 ... 53888?s=20 ---> It's 36-45. Not 3,6,4 or 5.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Rakesh » 19 Feb 2021 20:35

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 01153?s=20 --->

Lesson from History is that CCP PLA retreats or agrees to ceasefire only when things are not favourable

- Korea War: PLA ceasefire as USSR support for prolonged war decreased post Stalin died
- 1962: PLA withdrew from Arunachal as it knew it can't sustain supply lines in winter
- 1979 Vietnam: PLA withdrew from Vietnamese territories as it faced heavy casualties and prospect of a prolonged war and had failed to inflict any major defeats on Vietnamese army or even force Vietnam to pull out of Cambodia & stop war against CCP ally Khmer Rouge.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Rakesh » 19 Feb 2021 20:36

Please drag & drop picture into new window, to read the article.

https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/136 ... 23300?s=20 ---> I weigh in on the India-China disengagement agreement in Eastern Ladakh with details. The disengagement will likely hold but India needs to be wary of the lure of a fresh set of border protocols that may constrain infrastructure development as part of any de-escalation process.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Rakesh » 19 Feb 2021 20:47

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 73697?s=20 ---> Report: India, China to discuss disengagement in Gogra, Hot Springs and Depsang plains on Saturday.

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 59494?s=20 ---> Gogra and Hot Springs will be fast. But PLA may drag Depsang.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Rakesh » 19 Feb 2021 20:50

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 91809?s=20 ---> Indian Army to deploy an additional armoured brigade in Sikkim (near Doklam). IA aims to bolster & restructure its formations in NE India in the next 3 months by moving them closer to LAC. Meanwhile, 20 out of 46 Assam Rifles battalions will also switch from CI operations to LAC deployment.

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 62242?s=20 ---> This is in addition to the one armoured brigade already deployed in & around Sikkim. India will have around 240-250 tanks in Sikkim sector after this.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Pashupatastra » 19 Feb 2021 23:58

China has released a video of Galwan valley clash trying to pin the blame on Indians. However , the video shows how Chincoms came prepared with riot gear and it was a planned move .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTAE9Y5qrfY
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 113415.cms

These tactics may force the hand of Indian govt. sooner or later to take Galwan clash to logical conclusion.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Shanmukh » 20 Feb 2021 00:25

Sonugn wrote:
rajkumar wrote:
Please post link for us to enjoy...


Sorry Sir, Mods might be angry at that.

You can find it on twitter.


Please to tell us whose TL we are looking for, sonugn-garu. And when it was posted, so that we can find it on our own.

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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Postby Cyrano » 20 Feb 2021 00:30

Logical conclusion was already given by Col. Babu's men. China unable to move on.


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