India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

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Thank you, Chetakji. Always good to have a reality check from someone in the know.
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not carrying guns is the agreement and only valid for few kms on either side of LAC. Beyond that - even in normal times it is free for all.
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air-borne assault is a possibility. and the reason is our vulnerability in the chicken's neck and Tawang area. If PLA decides to employ considerable power along those 2 prongs then stopping them from cutting-off Siliguri corridor or reaching northern banks of Brahmaputra will be a miracle. if PLA is able is achieve this then IA cannot reinforce NE formations without running over the northern Beedi corridor which itself will take few weeks to clear. given this possibility - IA will not want a large force to be cutoff for long time so their deployment in NE will not be that thick. this is where PLA air-assault brigades will have an opportunity to take over strategic points once the corridors are cutoff.
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I don't think this has been posted here before. It's a very interesting peer reviewed quantitative study of India-Tibet border incursions by China published in Nature communications which is not as prestigious as Nature but still relatively good quality. The nice thing is that they created a set of testable variables, and do a statistical correlation of up to 6 months. For example, if India-Pakistan conflict heats up, what is the effect 1 month later, 5 months later, etc. This is a very good improvement because otherwise it is just guesswork where incursions are related to some thing that happened in the preceding months, that reflects the author's biases. One will claim it is because India-US signed an agreement last month, another says no it is because the ALG in DBO was activated this month. That ignores the lead time required by the Chinese (decision making, availability of resources, identification of incursion point, etc.) and also the importance given by the Chinese to any particular happening.
The study uses 15 years of original data on monthly Chinese incursions into India along with a monthly
dataset containing 18 independent variables, to develop a detailed statistical understanding of
the factors that trigger Chinese incursions across the Indian border with a lead time between
1 and 6 months.
Below an excerpt from the abstract on the findings, though the article is worth reading if you are into statistics
The quantitative study finds that Chinese incursions are more likely when
Chinese leadership is early in their tenure, but more likely when Indian leadership is in the
later stages of their tenure. The results also show that closer cooperation between India and
the US may trigger additional Chinese incursions into India. Finally, lower consumer confidence in the Chinese economy is consistently related to an increased likelihood of incursions. These findings have implications for the maintenance of peace and India’s national
security policies. Periods of Chinese uncertainty, particularly when their economy exhibits
weakness
and when Chinese leaders are in the early stages of their tenure are more likely to
experience incursions. Further, the strengthening of the US–Indian alliance, as well as
increased conflict between India and Pakistan, create the potential for an elevated risk of
incursions.
This means that we should expect a heightened series of incursions and Yangtse is just the first in a series of many, since the Chinese economy is suffering quite a bit right now.

LINK https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599- ... rigin=ppub
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I am aware of all the think tanks doing their analysis on what lead to Galwan. Did we analyze it from the other side of what stopped China then and since from going on the offensive against India? We have always looked inwards and did all the analysis of what we didn't have / don't have yet to counter China. But did we really think it through on what our strengths are that China is aware of and which has contributed to the inaction (going up the escalation ladder) from China? If we know what our strengths are, it will be easy for us to build on those and reinforce our strengths while we take our sweet time to build on our critical shortfalls to deter China further.
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Boost to border infra: Rajnath Singh inaugurates crucial bridge to LAC in Arunachal Pradesh, 27 other projects
NEW DELHI: Defence minister Rajnath Singh on Tuesday inaugurated the Siyom bridge in Arunachal Pradesh, along with 27 other infrastructure projects completed by the Border Roads Organisation.
Built at a cost of Rs 724 crore, these will hugely augment India's border infrastructure, mostly along the Chinese border, from Ladakh to Arunachal.
The Siyom bridge on the Along-Yinkiong Road- a 100-meter 'Class-70' steel arch superstructure- will facilitate faster induction of troops, heavy equipment like howitzers and mechanised vehicles to forward areas of the Upper Siang district, Tuting and Yinkiong regions along the LAC (Line of Actual Control) with China.
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A key weakness of our ally India is that its military hide their errors, instead of exposing them secrets & all as the IDF does. Hence there is no strong drive to improve. The parallel civilian error is to hide territorial losses to China on losses in Ladakh
Seems to have a point! But Indian policy and preparedness is improving.
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Who is he and how does he know that?
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Let's not shoot the messenger
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Edward Luttwak quoted a WaPo article. Not considered reliable on things related to India
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RaviB Saar, We should not shoot the messenger, but i think we can at least question the basis of his findings and sources that he uses to come to that conclusions as he would probably not have come down into the field and do research.
If i were to interchange India and China in his tweet it would still be valid with China's opaqueness. No army in general, will tell their shortcomings openly, while trying to fix them in the limited budget and time possible.
India was at least telling the causalities in Galwan and shared data, what about the great CCP which said no casualties, then said 1 or two and after a year said 4.
And this is the same PLA who along with the Chinese daily were braying about moving mountains but not their resolve with various articles on their preparedness and warm food. Little princelings were shagg*ng to p**n magazines and left with tail between their legs on Indian army operations in Kailash Range.
Changed 4 different commanders in a span of 18 months, f*k bat eaters. All the CCP supporting shticks can go go eat sh*t and pound sand.
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Key points mentioned by COAS General Manoj Pandey

https://swarajyamag.com/defence/shelter ... f-army-day
“More than 2,100 km of roads have been constructed. Shelters for 500 tanks and 400 artillery guns have been constructed. Habitat for more than 55,000 troops has been completed in the last two years,” the Army Chief said.
Kudos to the Govt, BRO & the Army for the rapidity with which infra has been built!
To a question on the impact of the Ukraine conflict, the General Pande said that there has been an impact on supplies, but his force would overcome the challenge.
Well, this is why the IA must rely on the Indian MIC to fight its wars
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Kashmir to Doklam: Lt Gen Anil Bhatt (Retd) formal DGMO



Doka La issue explained at 38 min.

ANI's podcast is becoming quite a show.

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BRO Starts Process for Building Crucial 135-km Road Near LAC from Chushul-Demchok in Next 2 Years

Bids Invited Yesterday

Chushul-Dungti-Fukche-Demchok Road to run alongside Indus with 3 new bridges

https://twitter.com/AmanKayamHai_/statu ... 5599443969

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Ankit Desai wrote:BRO Starts Process for Building Crucial 135-km Road Near LAC from Chushul-Demchok in Next 2 Years

Bids Invited Yesterday

Chushul-Dungti-Fukche-Demchok Road to run alongside Indus with 3 new bridges

https://twitter.com/AmanKayamHai_/statu ... 5599443969

-Ankit
Thanks for sharing, Ankitji... I'll add this road to my annotated Ladakh map.

Lots of interesting border road works happening, much of it in places not so close to the border, but still very strategic, such as the Kiratpur-Manali four-lane highway being built, as well as the closer border roads, such as the Hanuthang-Turtuk road, the Ke La road and tunnel across the Ladakh range, and the faster connectivity to demchok sector through Umling La. Hopefully they're able to get the Zanskar valley portion of the Nimmoo-Padum-Darcha road done quickly so that the Sirsir La-Singge La high altitude track isn't needed any more.
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Another hatchet job from NDTV?
India Has Lost Presence In 26 Of 65 Patrol Points In Eastern Ladakh: Report.
Excerpts.
1)"Presently there are 65 PPs (Patrolling Points) starting from Karakoram pass to Chumur which are to be patrolled regularly by the ISFs (Indian Security Forces). Out of 65 PPs, our presence is lost in 26 PPs (i.e. PP no. 5-17, 24-32, 37, due to restrictive or no patrolling by the ISFs {that means; our forces don't patrol the area it does not mean Chinese camp there}
2) PD Nitya, the Superintendent of Police of Leh, Ladakh's main city, wrote according to the research paper accessed by NDTV. {Is this lady in charge of border patrolling? Or she is the SP of Leh city, which is not very close to the border. Do police forces go on patrol in border areas or soldiers/ITBP etc?}
3) Ms Nitya also said that marking areas as out of bounds and keeping them barren affects troop morale as well. "During an interaction with one senior officer whose unit is based right on forward area, he shared that, if by retreating 400 metres back, we can buy peace with PLA for 4 years, then it's worth it," the report said. {Unnamed senior officer quoted, and this shown to show troops in poor light}
4) Some areas have been restricted for patrolling for both sides pending diplomatic resolution of disputes. No pasture lands have been lost. In disengaged areas, we have as many cameras and technical means as the PLA and hence dominate the area as much, if not more," the newspaper quoted the source as saying {which is most likely the truth, which RundiTV wants to put it way down below in the report}
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Question MR WebMaster is from when. We know we have lost patrolling ability in a number of places. But since when could it be from the 1960s, in which case I may not be surprised. Afterall we have let the Chinese kick us around all these years. But if in the recent past then I would be very surprised.
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Printed from https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 498289.cms

Army conducts major integrated exercise in eastern sector
TNN | Jan 31, 2023, 09.05 PM IST

NEW DELHI: The Army conducted a major joint combat exercise over the last 10 days with the Indian Air Force and central armed police forces (CAPFs) in north Bengal to practice battle preparedness in a networked and integrated environment, amid the heightened tensions in the eastern sector of the Line of Actual Control with China.
Swift mobilization and deployments, using the latest weapons and equipment, were carried out at different locations in north Bengal during the exercise “Trishakti Prahar”, which culminated with an integrated firepower exercise in the Teesta field firing ranges on Tuesday, sources said.
Absence of delineation of borders along LAC leading to problems: GOC-in-C of Eastern Command

The Indian armed forces have taken a series of steps to “mitigate” the threat to the Siliguri Corridor or the “Chicken’s Neck”, which is a narrow strip of land that connects the northeast with the rest of India, as well as other vulnerable areas in the region

The integrated Army drills come ahead of the massive `Poorvi Akash’ air combat exercise by the IAF in the entire eastern sector from February 1 to 5, which will include Rafales and Sukhoi-30MKI fighters flying from airbases like Hasimara, Chabua and Tezpur, as was first reported by TOI.

India kicks off massive naval exercise in backdrop of China-Pakistan collusiveness
During the Trishakti Prahar exercise and firepower drills, witnessed by the Army’s Eastern Command chief Lt-General R P Kalita, the efforts of all agencies including the civil administration, civil defence organizations, police and CAPFs were coordinated to ensure efficient movement and quick mobilization.

“The firepower exercise was aimed at synergizing the firepower assets of the armed forces and CAPFs to orchestrate an integrated battle. There was joint application of various ground and aerial assets to include latest generation fighters, helicopters, tanks, infantry combat vehicles, artillery guns and other weapons,” a source said.

Army chief General Manoj Pande had also reviewed the operational military preparedness along the LAC in Arunachal Pradesh on January 22-23, the first such visit to the border state after Indian and Chinese troops clashed at Yangtse in the crucial Tawang sector on December 9.

There has been an escalation in tensions along the 1,346-km stretch of the LAC in Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh in the last three-four months, with the People’s Liberation Army having also increased the number of its troops in the eastern sector. This includes two additional `combined arms brigades’, each having around 4,500 soldiers with tanks, artillery and other weapons.

On the western sector of the LAC in eastern Ladakh, both India and China continue to keep over 50,000 troops forward deployed for the third consecutive winter. While there has been troop disengagement at Galwan Valley, Gogra and Pangong Tso-Kailash region, China has so far refused to discuss the much more crucial face-offs at Depsang Plains and Demchok.
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No thread apparently for the budget allotted to the armed forces, hence posting it here

Modest hike in defence budget despite ongoing military confrontation with China.
The defence budget registered a modest hike despite the continuing 33-month long troop confrontation along the frontier with China. Moreover, the allocation for military modernization was just over one-fourth of the total outlay due to the hefty revenue expenditure and pension bill.

The defence budget was pegged at Rs 5.93 lakh crore ($72.4 billion), which marks just a 1.5% hike over the last fiscal’s revised estimates and 13% over the budgetary estimates.

In effect, military modernization will proceed slowly like before, along with the continuing thrust on indigenization in the defence production sector.

The defence budget works out to just 1.97% of the projected GDP for 2023-2024 if the huge defence pension allocation of Rs 1.38 lakh crore for around 35 lakh ex-servicemen and defence civilians is considered. It drops to a mere 1.5% if the pension bill is excluded.This when military experts have been demanding that India should allocate over 2.5% of the GDP to defence expenditure for building the requisite deterrence against the collusive threat from China and Pakistan.

The capital outlay for new weapon systems, platforms and sensors stood at Rs 1.63 lakh crore in the new defence budget, representing an 6.7% hike from budgetary estimates of 2022-2023. But it was dwarfed by the Rs 2.7 lakh crore revenue expenditure for day-to-day running costs and salaries of the over 14-lakh strong armed forces.

The defence ministry said the `non-salary revenue outlay’ has been enhanced by 44% to touch Rs 90,000 crore towards maintaining a high level of operational military preparedness. “This will cater to sustenance of weapon systems, warships and aircraft, and their logistics as well as emergency procurement of critical ammunition and spares,” an official said. In the drive to strengthen border infrastructure along the Line of Actual Control, the capital budget of the Border Roads Organization has been increased by 43% to Rs 5,000 crore as against Rs 3,500 crore in the last fiscal.

The revised pension bill in 2022-2023 shot up to Rs 1.53 lakh crore from the original Rs 1.19 lakh crore allocated for it due to the pension hike and arrears for ex-servicemen and their widows announced in December under the one-rank, one-pension (OROP) scheme.
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After India getting some of the electric batons, now it's the Chinese turn to make a purchase of their own. Expect these to show up at the next border fight in a few months time.

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https://twitter.com/Chellaney/status/16 ... 9269553185

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With international attention focused on the war in Ukraine, China has in the brutal Himalayan winter aggressively deployed thousands of additional PLA troops along the border of India's Arunachal state and thousands more near India’s "chicken-neck," a narrow, 22-km-wide corridor
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vijayk wrote:https://twitter.com/Chellaney/status/16 ... 9269553185

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With international attention focused on the war in Ukraine, China has in the brutal Himalayan winter aggressively deployed thousands of additional PLA troops along the border of India's Arunachal state and thousands more near India’s "chicken-neck," a narrow, 22-km-wide corridor
The Hindu wrote: India's bilateral trade with China reached a record $135.98 billion in 2022, Chinese Customs data showed on January 13, 2023, driven by surging Indian imports of Chinese goods that were up by more than 21% last year.Jan 13, 2023
Indians, in a way, are paying for the PLA build-up. (The very same problem exists in the US.)
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Cabinet approves induction of 9,000 more ITBP troops for China border.

With the tension along the Sino-Indian border refusing to abate and China continuing to sustain a large number of troops close to the Line of Actual Control (LAC), the cabinet on Wednesday approved the induction of close to 9,000 troops into the Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP). This, sources said, will entail raising seven new battalions and a new sector headquarters.

With ITBP being the first line of defence on the China border, sources said, this will strengthen the security grid on the LAC where Indian and Chinese forces have clashed multiple times in Eastern Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh in the last few years and Indian forces continue to be denied access to many of their traditional patrolling points in the Depsang plains and the Charding Nalla region in Ladakh. It will also help give the ITBP, which has 100 per cent deployment most of the year, the luxury to afford rest, recuperation and better training for its personnel.

“This has been a long-pending proposal from the ITBP and has been there since 2013-14. Initially it was envisaged to raise 12 new battalions, but has now been decreased to seven battalions. This has been in conjunction with the decision to increase the number of border outposts and staging camps along the LAC,” a home ministry official said.

The decision comes in the backdrop of clashes between Indian and Chinese forces in December last year in the Yangtze region of Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh, where several Indian troops were reported to have been injured. Before and after this incident, Army chief Manoj Pandey has on multiple occasions underlined that the situation on the Sino-Indian border remains “stable but unpredictable”.

The Indian and Chinese forces have been locked in a confrontational situation in Ladakh since April 2020. This had also led to clashes between the two forces in the Galwan valley in eastern Ladakh in June 2020. Since then diplomatic and military level talks have been able to achieve disengagement at five of the seven friction points in Ladakh. However, both sides continue to maintain high numbers of troops in the theatre.

In November last year, Pande indicated that though there was disengagement, no de-escalation was in sight in Ladakh. “As far as the PLA force level is concerned, there has been no significant reduction,” he said.

Speaking about Chinese infrastructure development on the border, Pande then said, “In terms of infrastructure development, that is going unabated. There is road infrastructure, helipads, airfields including roads right up to the passes. One of the notable developments has been the G 695. The road or highway running parallel to the LAC will give him [China] the ability to not only move forces forward but also switch forces from one sector to another.”

In a paper presented in the recent DGPs conference attended by Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Home Minister Amit Shah, it was pointed out that India had lost access to 26 of its 65 patrolling points on the LAC in Ladakh.

“Later on, China forces us to accept the fact that as such areas have not seen the presence of Indian Security Forces (ISFs) or civilians since long, the Chinese were present in these areas. This leads to a shift in the border under control of ISFs towards the Indian side and a ‘buffer zone’ is created in all such pockets, which ultimately leads to loss of control over these areas by India. This tactic of the PLA to grab land inch-by-inch is known as ‘salami slicing’,” the paper said.

According to the paper, the PLA has taken advantage of the buffer areas in the de-escalation talks by placing the best of its cameras on the highest peaks and monitoring the movement of Indian forces.

“This peculiar situation can be seen at Black top, Helmet top mountains in Chushul, at Demchok, at Kakjung, at Gogra hills in Hot Springs and at Depsang plains near Chip Chap river. With the ‘salami slicing’ strategy they object to our movement even in the buffer zone, claiming it to be ‘their’ area of operation and then further ask us to move back to create more ‘buffer’ areas. This situation has happened with Y nallah at Galwan, where we were forced to move back to Camp 01 without dominating the higher posts overseeing Y nallah; at Chushul, the BPM hut near the airfield has become the de facto LAC and Nilung nallah at Demchok has been restricted,” the paper said.
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Tawang: The Indian monastery town coveted by China
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-64870707
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U.S. Intel Helped India Rout China in 2022 Border Clash: Sources

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-repor ... sh-sources

India was able to repel a Chinese military incursion in contested border territory in the high Himalayas late last year due to unprecedented intelligence-sharing with the U.S. military, U.S. News has learned, an act that caught China’s People’s Liberation Army forces off-guard, enraged Beijing and appears to have forced the Chinese Communist Party to reconsider its approach to land grabs along its borders.
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Typical American hyperbole. While intel-sharing is welcome and might have even helped, its not like we didn't have our own air/space assets who'd have also provided similar intel
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Prem Kumar wrote:Typical American hyperbole. While intel-sharing is welcome and might have even helped, its not like we didn't have our own air/space assets who'd have also provided similar intel
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success has many fathers. But I believe US intel is helpful. I remember a retired Indian general saying something of that sort
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Prem Kumar wrote:Typical American hyperbole. While intel-sharing is welcome and might have even helped, its not like we didn't have our own air/space assets who'd have also provided similar intel
India does not have the quality/quantity of intel that the US has - not even close. Granted that is an oversimplified statement.

However, the crucial point WRT "India" is that Indians have ALWAYS depended on and leaned on diplomacy. As a result, intel was not developed to the extent it should have been.

It is said that pre-Galwan India was informed by the US (that the PLA is coming) and the Indian response was thanks, but we have and will deal with it diplomatically. The follow on Indian military response was reactive - after the fact. The action in Twang was proactive.

BTW, the above article does mention "BECA".
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csharma wrote:U.S. Intel Helped India Rout China in 2022 Border Clash: Sources

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-repor ... sh-sources

India was able to repel a Chinese military incursion in contested border territory in the high Himalayas late last year due to unprecedented intelligence-sharing with the U.S. military, U.S. News has learned, an act that caught China’s People’s Liberation Army forces off-guard, enraged Beijing and appears to have forced the Chinese Communist Party to reconsider its approach to land grabs along its borders.
One of these days they will publish and article on how US helped Modiji win in 2014!!!

Look at the timing of this article! XJP and Putin summit.
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Prem Kumar wrote:Typical American hyperbole. While intel-sharing is welcome and might have even helped, its not like we didn't have our own air/space assets who'd have also provided similar intel
8) :D :)
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I don't know how old the video clip is, but the tweet is dated 23 March 2023. Click on first link below for the video.

https://twitter.com/Duorope/status/1638 ... 38785?s=20 ---> Here is the full clip. Seems old as always. Kongra La?

https://twitter.com/Duorope/status/1638 ... 68321?s=20 ---> Notice a small difference in the 1st and 2nd half of the clip. The front tyre chain.

https://twitter.com/Duorope/status/1638 ... 29409?s=20 ---> I think one of the clip is taken from the other side and is inverted.
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How China views the recent India-China bilateral talks on LAC
https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/ ... ks-on-lac/
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"Have Serious Dispute With China, There's Tension On Border": S Jaishankar
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/we-have ... ar-3914414
02 April 2023
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Perhaps this renaming khujli indicates lack of alignment on India policy between China's Civil Affairs Ministry and Foreign Ministry. Could be two camps trying to go one up on each other and vying to please Xi. That means Xi is not yet considering mending relations with India as an important priority.
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https://theprint.in/opinion/on-lac-cope ... a/1528123/

General H.S.Panang.
20, April, 2023.
India must unilaterally declare its Red Line on the borders along our perception of the LAC and marked maps handed over to China. LAC must be physically secured by the ITBP to deny opportunity for preemption. Any aggressive movement across this line must be considered as hostile and dealt with through appropriate military action. Non-military “riot police” actions must stop forthwith. The government must subtly signal its threshold for use of tactical nuclear weapons. Below this threshold, the military differential is irrelevant to secure borders, but political will is necessary
Reading the entire article. Along with the quoted section. I am unable to understand what the good general is trying to say.

Is he saying that Indian Army is strong enough that we can manage to hold the PLA.

If that is the case then why is he talking about the threshold for nuclear use?
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He should stick to langar...
What nonsense is he talking about nukes?
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India, China hold 18th round of corps commander talks to resolve military standoff, unresolved issues being taken up - ANI
Seeking to resolve the three-year-old military standoff, India and China are holding the 18th round of Corps Commander Level talks on Sunday (today) l at the Chushul-Moldo meeting point in the Eastern Ladakh sector.

From the Indian side, the meeting is led by Fire and Fury Corps Commander Lt Gen Rashim Bali and an equivalent rank officer from the Chinese side is taking place in the eastern Ladakh sector today, defence sources told ANI.

This meeting is taking place after a gap of five months. The last meeting between the two sides at the Corps Commander level was held in December last year.

The meeting is taking place when both sides are engaged in rapid construction activities along the border areas to strengthen their respective positions.

The Indian side has been raising the issue of the Depsang plains, Demchok and disengagement by both sides repeatedly.

The Chinese Defence Minister is also now scheduled to be in India for the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) Defence Ministers' meetings next week in the national capital.

The chances of de-escalation in near future by the two sides don't seem very bright and the Indian side is continuing to deploy heavily in the area to guard against any Chinese attempts to alter the status quo as they keep trying to do.
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