India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Apr 2023 06:59

India, China hold another round of top-level military talks on border standoff - Rajat Pandit, ToI

India and China on Sunday held another round of top-level military talks in a bid to defuse the three-year-long troop confrontation in eastern Ladakh, ahead of Chinese defence minister general Li Shangfu’s visit to Delhi for the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) meeting this week.

There was no official word on the outcome of the 18th round of the corps commander-level talks, which began around 9.30 am and ended late in the night at the Chushul-Moldo border meeting point in eastern Ladakh. The talks were held after a gap of over four months, with no breakthrough being recorded in the 17th round on December 20 last year.

Sources said the Indian side on Sunday, led by 14 Corps commander Lt-General Rashim Bali, strongly pressed for troop disengagement at the strategically-located Depsang Bulge area and the Charding Ninglung Nallah (CNN) track junction at Demchok with the Chinese delegation headed by the South Xinjiang Military District chief.

“Let’s see if there is any forward movement due to the Chinese defence minister’s visit here on April 27-28. {There will be zilch movement. This is a fait accompli for PRC now. After 3 years, they are not going to vacate, unless expelled by force} At the military talks, it was made clear India wants disengagement, de-escalation and de-induction of the over 50,000 troops each forward deployed by both sides with heavy weaponry like tank, artillery and rocket systems in eastern Ladakh,” a source said.

“It was stressed this is a prerequisite if China wants any improvement in the overall bilateral relations. Otherwise, this `no war, no peace’ situation will continue with the bilateral relations remaining in a limbo,” he added.

China has so far shown no intent to withdraw its forces and stop blocking Indian patrols from accessing their traditional patrolling points (PPs), which fall well inside India’s perception of the Line of Actual Control (LAC).

In Depsang, a table-top plateau located at an altitude of 16,000-feet, for instance, Indian troops have not be able to access PPs-10, 11, 12, 12A and 13, because the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) blocks their movement around 18-km inside what India considers its own territory.

Moreover, with the no-patrol buffer zones varying from 3-km to 10-km coming up largely on Indian territory after disengagement in areas like Pangong Tso-Kailash range, Galwan Valley and Gogra-Hot Springs, Indian troops can no longer access 26 of their 65 PPs from the Karakoram Pass in the north down to Chumar in the south in eastern Ladakh.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 24 Apr 2023 10:34

If Lt Gen Panag is to be believed, we have lost 1000 Sq Km of territory due to the Chinese incursions 3 years back. Our actions at Galwan, Kailash Heights etc only prevented further incursions.

It appears to me that we are wary of re-capturing lost patrolling areas by force, because we don't control the escalation ladder. We don't believe we can go toe-to-toe against the Chinese, for all the brave talk periodically put out. We can hold our ground and prevent the loss of further territory, but forget about re-capturing lost areas.

This is simply the harsh reality. The years of rot in MoD, MEA and the Armed Forces leadership had led them to a point where they did not even think of China as the #1 adversary. It took a Gen Rawat to point this out. And in spite of a 3 year standoff, our military preparation leaves a lot to be desired. Piecemeal orders & emergency imports still hold sway. The recent crackdowns by the MoD seem to be percolating into the AF rank & file only slowly.

We seem to be doing better on the infra building front.

ks_sachin · Post by **ks_sachin** » 24 Apr 2023 11:02

Prem Kumar wrote: Our actions at Galwan, Kailash Heights etc only prevented further incursions.

So this is quite exactly what Gen Panag is stating. Leaving aside the nuclear bit. We are reactive so the Chinese always catch us by surprise. At Kailash Heights we took the initiative and denied the Chinese the opportunity to dominate us proactively.

In the Chicken neck area the Chinese are looking to give themselves elbow room to exploit that corridor. Are we doing to be proactive a use the border to our advantage to dominate the Chinese?

So in that sense, Gen Panag makes perfect sense, but we seem to have a tendency to throw out the baby with the bathwater!!.

Prem Kumar wrote: It appears to me that we are wary of re-capturing lost patrolling areas by force, because we don't control the escalation ladder. We don't believe we can go toe-to-toe against the Chinese, for all the brave talk periodically put out. We can hold our ground and prevent the loss of further territory, but forget about re-capturing lost areas.

This is simply the harsh reality. The years of rot in MoD, MEA and the Armed Forces leadership had led them to a point where they did not even think of China as the #1 adversary. It took a Gen Rawat to point this out. And in spite of a 3 year standoff, our military preparation leaves a lot to be desired. Piecemeal orders & emergency imports still hold sway. The recent crackdowns by the MoD seem to be percolating into the AF rank & file only slowly.

We seem to be doing better on the infra-building front.

Boss recapturing lost patrolling areas is a political decision first and foremost. Everything done at every border has to be signed off by the government of the day. Because the army has for a long time realised that there is no political will they have been defensive. But you can only defend against salami-slicing by being proactive and dominating i.e. taking an advantageous position as and when they present themselves. And despite all the government spin the reality is setting up a mountain strike corps has taken forever....So the Army top brass talks the talk but in the background is realistic.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Apr 2023 11:06

Prem Kumar wrote:It took a Gen Rawat to point this out.

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Musharraf always used to say, "I am your enemy # 1 Look at your troop concentrations" !!

Our Composite Index of National Capability (CINC) vis-a-vis TSP was never less than 4:1 in our favour and at times it even reached 7:1. But, we could never translate that into a decisive blow to Pakistan, except in 1971. In any case, TSP was not much enamoured of East Pakistan and considered that as good riddance. The 3½ Friends of TSP ensured that TSP survived.

ks_sachin · Post by **ks_sachin** » 24 Apr 2023 11:10

Because never once did we proactively prosecute anything. In 1947, 1965 and in Kargil we reacted and to that end our goal almost to revert back to status-quo!!!
When we planned and decided to give it to them it was a little different 1971 (again in the Eastern sector mind you).

We have always been defensive minded.....

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 24 Apr 2023 17:43

ks_sachin wrote:Because never once did we proactively prosecute anything. In 1947, 1965 and in Kargil we reacted and to that end our goal almost to revert back to status-quo!!!
When we planned and decided to give it to them it was a little different 1971 (again in the Eastern sector mind you).

We have always been defensive minded.....

Characterizing it as 'defensive minded' doesn't capture what is happening entirely. It's more than that. Its a colonial consciousness which shackles the Indian mind.

After decades, we have finally begun to scratch the surface of the problem but we are still unable to do one thing - critical research and develop theories about our own psychology and behavior. The result is we are where we are today instead of at the top.

RaviB · Post by **RaviB** » 24 Apr 2023 20:28

There are quite suspicious purchases by the city of Linzhi (Nyingchi) which is opposite Arunachal.

From the top to bottom, the items are Walkie Talkie, undercover forensic equipment, camera, audio recorder, body camera, first aid kit, security tape, signal jammer, microphone, monitoring, and recording equipment for interrogation rooms, stab-proof vest, life-saving rope, pulse light glare, riot control device (or electric baton), loudspeaker, police rope, high-power flashlight, GPS locator (handheld), and night vision device.

https://twitter.com/jenniferzeng97/stat ... 4408064001

The author thinks this is for oppressing the local villagers but I think it is for another Galwan like action. There aren't that many villagers in the prefecture and night vision devices and GPS locators aren't really useful for riot control. This order is from February, so the Chinese are possibly preparing for another incursion or attack on Indian soldiers in Arunachal. If so, they would probably attack in the Gelling circle, or Bishing because those are the possible ingress points from the Nyingchi area.

Another thing Jennifer Zeng shared was a slide of uncertain origin, which shows ~~the to-do list of the PLA~~ somebody's internet fantasy and "liberating South Tibet" is war number 3, planned for the 2035-40 period. ~~This would be quite late because they would be in a full demographic crisis by then, so let's try to buy time till we are forced to fight.~~

https://twitter.com/jenniferzeng97/stat ... 5856154629
Edit: Relevant article https://eurasiantimes.com/china-will-co ... -2040/?amp

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Apr 2023 20:39

RaviB wrote: . . . but I think it is for another Galwan like action.

Absolutely, RaviB.

Just a few weeks after celebrating the 100 years of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) in July 2021 and even as the Ladakh situation was raging, Xi Jinping made an unannounced visit to Nyingchi. Later, he also met the personnel of the Tibet Military District which soon enough performed large-scale military exercises conveying the clear activation of one more front against India.

gashish · Post by **gashish** » 28 Apr 2023 01:46

The Chinese chatter on the eve of the Chinese defence minister’s India visit

article captures some nuggets from chatter on chinese internet.

..Chinese authorities published a map of newly “standardised” place names within Arunachal Pradesh—the government of the Tibet Autonomous Region issued an announcement to upgrade two Tibetan border towns along the LAC—Milin and Cuona—into city-states and to take them under the direct administration of the regional government

In the Chinese assessment, the move is of great strategic significance as the two newly established cities of Milin and Cuona are divided by the McMahon Line, “with some amount of land of the Milin City lying with India, while nearly two-thirds of the city of Cuona being actually controlled by India”. Meanwhile, the Mama Township, where the city government of the Cuona City has been moved, is very close to the LAC and borders Bhutan on the west. This was the front line of the People’s Liberation Army fighting in Lebugou during the 1962 China-India war. It was also the location of the command post of the PLA at that time. The Tawang area and the Xishankou Pass are close to the Mama Township. Some Chinese strategists think that the move is similar to China’s establishment of Sansha City in the South China Sea and that the Chinese government is now keen to replicate its successful experience in the South China Sea (of reclamation and island construction, strengthening of infrastructure construction and upgradation of administrative division etc.) in the “Southern Tibet” dispute as well. In the Chinese assessment, the move will kill three birds with one stone.

Chinese authorities published a map of newly “standardised” place names within Arunachal Pradesh—the government of the Tibet Autonomous Region issued an announcement to upgrade two Tibetan border towns along the LAC—Milin and Cuona—into city-states and to take them under the direct administration of the regional government

The key concern, as is evident from the writings of the Chinese observers, is that if the intelligence-gathering capabilities of the Americans, which is supposed to be the world’s best, are combined with the mountain combat capabilities of the Indian army, one of the largest and most competent forces globally, it may pose a major threat to PLA border patrols at the disputed China-India border.

The dilemma remains on how to deal with a “difficult opponent” like India, where China doesn’t have to accommodate its (India’s) demands at the LAC (particularly the demand for reversion to pre-April 2020 positions), but also not cause further deterioration in bilateral ties, thereby making China fall into the predicament of two-front conflict. This is the key question in the mind of the Chinese strategic community, as its defence minister holds bilateral talks with his Indian counterpart Rajnath Singh.

This dilemma is entirely their own creation; they just dont see or dont want to see it!

rags · Post by **rags** » 28 Apr 2023 02:18

gashish wrote: This dilemma is entirely their own creation; they just dont see or dont want to see it!

Well, that dillemma can be commonly classified as "Grab cake and also eat" variety.

MeshaVishwas · Post by **MeshaVishwas** » 02 May 2023 17:27

Setting the cat amongst pigeons, former Northern Army Commander Gen D S Hooda says:
"Light Tanks are going to be a waste in Ladakh"
He wants a lot of small nimble ATVs....as of yesterday.
And a lot of Helicopters, to be able to react to any attempts to intrude.
Also says we have to live with the infra asymmetry(Thanks to Ladakhi terrain vs Occupied Tibetan terrain).
Very interesting lecture by the Gen. Must watch.
Opinion: This seems very reactive and defensive. Maybe he did not want to talk on the offensive plans.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 05 May 2023 01:26

- Talks about IA and IAF deployment to defend Arunachal Pradesh

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 23 May 2023 21:55

6-km tunnel in Uttarakhand to bring last outpost on China border closer.

A six-kilometre-long tunnel will be constructed between Bundi and Garbiyang on the Ghatiabagar-Lipulekh road in Uttarakhand to make the way to the last border post of the Lipulekh pass on the India-China border smoother, a senior BRO official said on Tuesday.

IMAGE: BRO personnel at work inside the Nechiphu Tunnel. Image used for representational purpose only. Photograph: ANI Photo
"The contract for the survey work of the tunnel has been awarded to ATINOK India Consultants. The company has started the survey work and will submit its final proposal in a year's time," chief engineer of the project Hirak Vimal Goswami said.

The Rs 2,000-crore project could begin in four-five years, he added.

"The BRO has kept the border road from Bundi to Garbiyang single lane in view of the proposed tunnel, while the rest of it is going to be double lane," Goswami said.

According to the Border Roads Organisation (BRO) officer, the border road that was commissioned in 2020 is being black-topped and double-laned these days.

Most of the double-laning work has nearly been completed, he said.

Only the formation-cutting work on the five-km-long last portion of the road from the KMVN huts to the Lipulekh pass is awaiting permission. It could be completed in 100 days, once the Central Command headquarters gives its permission, the officer said.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 24 May 2023 20:15

The Wire is claiming that buffer zones are being carved out from Indian territory.
China Wants 15-20 km Buffer Zone Inside India-Claimed Lines for Depsang Disengagement

New Delhi: In the strategically significant area of Depsang plains in Ladakh, China’s People’s Liberation Army has demanded the creation of a 15-20km buffer zone or no patrol zone inside India-claimed lines as a precondition for disengagement, Kolkata-based The Telegraph reports, citing an official from the intelligence wing of the Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP). The ITBP official told the newspaper that the Chinese side made the latest demand during the 18th round of corps commander talks last month and reiterated it during subsequent military talks at lower levels.

“The Chinese want a buffer zone with a width of 15-20km inside Indian territory as part of the disengagement process from the Depsang Plains. During negotiations, India rejected the demand and instead agreed to a 3-4km buffer zone, but the Chinese refused to budge,” the official was quoted as saying.

The biggest buffer zone created during disengagement in various other areas on the LAC is of 10-km length on the north bank of Pangong lake, between Finger 4 and Finger 8. Many military veterans have alleged that these buffer zones are mostly on the Indian side and work to India’s detriment but there has been no official response from the Modi government.

“The Chinese army is already entrenched 18km inside India-claimed lines and now wants a buffer zone of another 15-20km. It’s apparent that they are working aggressively to establish a revised status quo along the Line of Actual Control in the region,” the official said.

Depsang plains in the DBO sector is one of the areas where no disengagement has taken place between the two sides, despite numerous rounds of talks between military commanders at various levels. For more than three years, PLA has blocked the Indian patrols at Bottleneck or Y-junction to deny them access to five patrolling points in the area – PP9, PP10, PP11, PP12 and PP13.

A research paper submitted by the Leh SP during the DGPs’ conference in Delhi in January this year had highlighted that India had lost access to 26 of its 65 patrolling points (PPs) in eastern Ladakh following the Chinese incursion in 2020.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 25 May 2023 07:14

The wire has been repteadly to have lied,

Roop · Post by **Roop** » 25 May 2023 08:22

Aditya_V wrote:The wire has been repteadly to have lied,

The Wire is a known anti-Modi anti-BJP outfit. That doesn't mean they always lie, maybe this is one of those odd times when they are reporting partial truth, but I'm not willing to take their word for it. Have to wait for independent confirmation from a more trustworthy source.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 25 May 2023 08:37

The claims made by wire are quite incendiary and follow a pattern of sensational reporting against the centre.

Unfortunately even if the government takes the reporter from the wire to the actual location on the LAC showing that we have not lost a single inch. The reports from wire will still say that the PLA has taken land from India.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 25 May 2023 10:18

Looking for truth from Wire-the-Liar is like digging through garbage in search of a precious gem

Sure, once in a million attempts, you will find something of value. Not worth the effort

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 25 May 2023 17:57

The fact that the Chinese are not budging despite months of negotiations and they are stonewalling, while we are the ones calling for normalcy gives some credence to the story even if its from the wire. If the buffer zones were on Chinese controlled territory then we would be the ones sitting smug.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 25 May 2023 19:43

Buffer zones 15km on our side of the LAC, that's not possible sir

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 25 May 2023 19:50

Cyrano wrote:The fact that the Chinese are not budging despite months of negotiations and they are stonewalling, while we are the ones calling for normalcy gives some credence to the story even if its from the wire. If the buffer zones were on Chinese controlled territory then we would be the ones sitting smug.

Indeed this seems true and the stench that is the wire seems credible in this case. I do wonder, why are we (Indian army and MI) surprised with regularity. Kargil happened, galwan happened and this salami slicing is ongoing and what stops us from doing the same to Chinese anywhere along this vast border

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 25 May 2023 20:56

Read up on the large plateau occupied by India near Tawang.

There is much the Indians won’t reveal.

shaun · Post by **shaun** » 26 May 2023 00:09

Dilbu wrote:The Wire is claiming that buffer zones are being carved out from Indian territory.
China Wants 15-20 km Buffer Zone Inside India-Claimed Lines for Depsang Disengagement
New Delhi: In the strategically significant area of Depsang plains in Ladakh, China’s People’s Liberation Army has demanded

The biggest buffer zone created during disengagement in various other areas on the LAC is of 10-km length on the north bank of Pangong lake, between Finger 4 and Finger 8. Many military veterans have alleged that these buffer zones are mostly on the Indian side and work to India’s detriment but there has been no official response from the Modi government.

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Upto PP4 ,Chines have 1st built gravel roads and then all weather roads till their srijap camp . These activities happening for the last many decades.Historical Sat imaginary are proofs. I don't know how much affective patrolling was possible from our side i.e. PP3 using ridges till pp8 , while PLA having easy acess till pp4 , thanks to roads that support their armoured vehicles.

Other PP won't be much different with Chinese having line of communication namely roads of various class , close to these PPs. The frequencg of transgressions of both armies on each other perceived areas , sector wise , should be made public .

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 26 May 2023 07:27

When soo called Indian Media is working for Foreign Governments , GOI hands are a bit tied. The same media piece wants show land lost between 1959-62 was lost post 2014. China uses various fronts and it is important people of India/ Indian origin start to care to more about thier nation, long term plans etc.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 31 May 2023 17:49

Chinese strategy behind high-level exchanges with India
https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/ ... ith-india/?
19 May 2023

Under such circumstances, on the one hand, voices are indeed getting louder in China urging the government not to give up competitive military advantages vis-à-vis India at the LAC like in the Depsang Plains, to instead “teaching India a lesson”, “building greater military advantage vis-á-vis India”, and “delivering a thunderous blow to India like in 1962”, so that it does not dare to confront China on the Sino-Indian border issue in the next few decades. The latest voice being Chinese Foreign Minister Qin Gang, during his recent India trip, urging Minister Jaishankar to “take lessons from history”, which according to the Chinese assessment, is a warning to India to not forget the lessons of the 1962 War. But on the other hand, there is also rising concern within Chinese strategic circles that any 1962-style military action against India will further deteriorate the situation, turning a country of India’s size, potential, and influence, into an entrenched enemy, which will not be conducive to China’s development in the long run.

shaun · Post by **shaun** » 31 May 2023 23:19

Aditya_V wrote:When soo called Indian Media is working for Foreign Governments , GOI hands are a bit tied. The same media piece wants show land lost between 1959-62 was lost post 2014. China uses various fronts and it is important people of India/ Indian origin start to care to more about thier nation, long term plans etc.

Media management is a tough ask . Problem is, if we official acknowledge that chinese have built sufficient infra over decades to patrol upto their perceived lines with impunity ( technically transgression ) than it will reinforce chinese claims . Patrolling by chinese brought communication lines and permanent observation post for effective salami slicing where as we only made our "presences felt " with cigarette butts and God knows what . When we did try to put some electronic surveillance, we met with headlines like "Chinese Army took away Indian camera" !! A better understanding of the situation is possible through, number of transgression by both side over the years , depth of such transgression and the number of times those transgressions were countered by opposite parties. Our infra develolment at LAC for affective patrolling through out the year with surveillance post , freezed by chinese using BDCA 2013, as they already have better infra . What was in this report ?https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 954_1.html

It's catch 22 situation . Present GOI could have apprised the nation about the reality at LAC when they came to power as chinese mischiefs are expected with any infra related activities at LAC but this also means officially acknowledging chinese claimed lines

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 01 Jun 2023 00:13

The Chinese govt can tell all kinds of lies to its people, no one can question it, anyone who does will be jailed or disappeared. Indian govt doesn't have the same situation. In the case of this particular govt, I'd say trust them and go along with what we are being publicly told, even if its somewhat "ashwatthama atah..."

There is nothing any patriotic Indian can achieve by pressuring the Govt with the intent to get them make some admissions and statements that may embarrass them and compromise the diplomatic and military efforts being made.

We all know that decades of mismanagement at several levels, both in civilian leadership and the military have brought us to the current situation. Not everything can be corrected instantly, the enemy is stronger than ever before which makes him even more devious. But some lessons have to be taught to the Chinese and it will happen when the time is right, without losing anymore territory, and without everything hitting the fan.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Jun 2023 05:55

The Wire 15km buffer zone will not be acceptable. The zone is on both sides.
However PLA roads infrastructure is better which means they can rush troops into the buffer zone faster than India can.
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So it's not starter.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Jun 2023 05:57

Cyrano if patriots vote out BJP, it's Congress that will come to power. A party that signed an accord with China in 2008.
So let's not go there.
15km is a climb down.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 01 Jun 2023 11:01

ramana wrote:The Wire 15km buffer zone will not be acceptable. The zone is on both sides.
However PLA roads infrastructure is better which means they can rush troops into the buffer zone faster than India can.
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So it's not starter.

Ahh so that's why we are negotiating for so long.... Improve our border infrastructure sufficiently before talks are concluded... These wily yindoos...

shaun · Post by **shaun** » 01 Jun 2023 12:51

ramana wrote:The Wire 15km buffer zone will not be acceptable. The zone is on both sides.
However PLA roads infrastructure is better which means they can rush troops into the buffer zone faster than India can.
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So it's not starter.

Exactly.. their road building happening since 1950s . We were handicapped previously by intent , then agreements and now , overall MIL/ Industrial capabilities, skewed in favour of Chinese.

shaun · Post by **shaun** » 01 Jun 2023 13:07

ramana wrote:The Wire 15km buffer zone will not be acceptable. The zone is on both sides.
However PLA roads infrastructure is better which means they can rush troops into the buffer zone faster than India can.
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So it's not starter.

Example now we have buffer zones from PP4 to PP8 , we are settled at PP3 and Chinese at srijap but they have all weather road till PP4 . How exactly we used to conduct patrolling , using the ridge or boats ?? As per agreement if caught by any sides , they are supposed to return back . How exactly we manged to set our foot on PP8 , previously ??

From news snippet decade back , we barely managed to complete our patrolling , as chinese put up observation post and intercept our patrols by virtue of good roads and infra.

From 2013

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/north/s ... 2013-08-03

"These posts are well inside Indian territory, the sources said, adding that from April this year, the patrol for these forward bases were launched 21 times and only twice it could complete its mission."

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 01 Jun 2023 23:55

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 02 Jun 2023 23:07

Crossing The Sela Heights: The Roads To Tawang, Much Light At The End Of Game-changing Tunnels

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 10 Jun 2023 04:53

If (when) China attacks their #1 target Taiwan, then India should immediately attack Pakistan. Why? Because China will be preoccupied with attacking its #1 target Taiwan, and won't be able to come hit India during that time. India can then mop up Pakistan while China is distracted. Then after China finishes Taiwan, if it tries to come attack India as its #2 target, then India will be able to face China in a more focused way, without being distracted by worries of Pakistan attacking India from the other side.

Karna · Post by **Karna** » 11 Jun 2023 14:10

Images tweeted by @rwac48 on Galwan on Twitter are horrific. The Chinese are playing Psychops, given that the Galwan Clash anniversary is coming up. The poster on Twitter has a Hindu mocking name supposedly based out of Spain. Why are we still playing information war fare catch-up?

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 11 Jun 2023 18:03

Boss as a trainee, stop trolling, someone puts some actors pictures and it is GOI failure, GOI does not control Twitter or social media. Any film crew can post such rubbish, ignore

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 Jun 2023 10:02

IAF, Army carry out joint exercise in central sector - ET

The Indian Air Force (IAF) has carried out a joint exercise with the Indian Army in the central sector with deployment of multiple combat assets to check the operational readiness of the two forces. The exercise follows the IAF's two strategic missions over the Indian Ocean region that involved Rafale and Su-30MKI jets.

"The #IAF recently concluded a joint exercise with the Indian Army in the central sector. Multiple combat assets were employed to simulate realistic combat situations for all participants," the IAF tweeted on Sunday.

It, however, did not divulge the details such as date and venue of the operations.

A few days back, a fleet of Su-30MKI jets of the IAF carried out a strategic mission over the Indian Ocean region for eight hours, days after a similar operation was carried out by four Rafale aircraft.

The Su-30MKI jets flew over the South Western region of the Indian Ocean on Thursday demonstrating their operational prowess and capability to carry out long-range missions.

The six-hour mission involving the Rafale fighter aircraft last month covered the eastern region of the Indian Ocean.

The IAF carried out the two missions at a time China has been ramping up its presence in the Indian Ocean region, which is largely considered as the backyard of the Indian Navy.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 12 Jun 2023 13:33

^ Nice

The Rafale boys do a six hour sortie on the eastern side. The Sukhoi lads do an eight hour one on the western side

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 13 Jun 2023 11:35