#45 &18 are not anchored, just that they are currently at Sulfur.Kartik wrote:You think the first base is going to be Sulur? It may not be, given that the No.45 and No.18 Squadrons are already based there. Those would need to move out to other air bases or maybe we may see 3 Tejas squadrons at each air base.Haridas wrote: First base we know, second base ???
Tejas #SP23 completes successful first flight. Piloted by HAL TP Gp Capt Rajeev Joshi (Retd). Will update if anything interesting further
Yayy!putnanja wrote:From Tarmak007's FB post ...
Tejas #SP23 completes successful first flight. Piloted by HAL TP Gp Capt Rajeev Joshi (Retd). Will update if anything interesting further
And, #SP23.
Pic: Deb Rana
suryag wrote:IR sir you were alluding to something on HAL side related to maintenance procedures/Infra that was gating SP23. Now that SP23 is out when and if possible can you elaborate a little on that please
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Each of these two airbases will operate a Technical Training School, in which maintenance technicians and even pilots will undergo continuous training and upgrading of their technical skills. The cost of setting up each of these training establishments will be over Rs 300 crore.
An expenditure of Rs 1,202 crore has also been budgeted for setting up “ground support equipment” (GSE) and “ground handling equipment” (GHE) in both the Tejas Mark 1A airbases. This equipment is required for the ground end of flying operations – getting the fighter aircraft started up and airborne, carrying out maintenance checks and a certain level of repair and replacement of modules.
A large sum has been cleared for the Tejas Mark 1A’s “maintenance running list of spares” (MRLS), which is a large inventory of spares and modules that operational squadrons and depots holds in reserve. This is so that, in the event of an aircraft component or module requiring to be replaced, it is readily available with the airbase and there is no waiting period while the part is obtained from a central depot.
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(a) 20 per cent of the fleet, i.e. some 39 Su-30MKIs, are undergoing "first line" and "second line" maintenance or inspections at any time, which is the IAF's responsibility; (b) Another 11-12 per cent of the fleet is undergoing major repair and overhaul by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL); and (c) 13-14 per cent of the fleet is grounded, awaiting major systems or repairs - the technical terms is: "aircraft on ground".
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TEJAS Cockpit Procedure Trainer (CPT) is a triple display instructional/ training device needed to familiarize the trainee with Tejas Cockpit and to practice engine ground run procedures, eliminating the need for a captive aircraft. Left hand and Right hand consoles of CPT are representing LH and RH consoles of Tejas aircraft respectively and Main Instrument Panel along with LH and RH quarter panel of Tejas cockpit has been grouped in Front Large display of CPT. TEJAS CPT hardware system configuration is housed into an ergonomically designed mechanical panel named as System Utility Panel (SUP) made up of sheet metal and Fiber Reinforced Plastic (FRP). CPT has the true synthetic replica of Tejas glass cockpit, whole cockpit is ergonomically grouped and divided in to three synthetic displays with LH & RH consoles as touch operated and Front display as large screen LCD (non touch) remotely operated by mouse. Tejas CPT-SUP is designed with keeping ‘Cockpit look’ and ergonomics as a prime target definition.
Trainers are only Mk1 standard...basant wrote:^^^
Trainer is cheaper!? What is missing? I hope not the radar!
Yes, but are they combat capable? have the trainers fired the Derby, R-73, and LGBs?LakshmanPST wrote:Trainers are only Mk1 standard...basant wrote:^^^
Trainer is cheaper!? What is missing? I hope not the radar!
It seems to waive the GST will cause so much paperwork and jack up the costs such that only a fraction will be coming back in the waiver.The Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) chaired by Prime Minister Narendra Modi on January 13 approved the Rs 48,000-crore deal to procure 73 Tejas Mk-1A variants and 10 LCA Tejas Mk-1 trainer aircraft from the HAL to boost the Indian Air Force's combat prowess.
Giving a break-up of the cost components, Madhavan said the basic price of the aircraft will be around Rs 25,000 crore while Rs 11,000 crore will be used for ground support equipment and other required infrastructure at the bases and around Rs 7,000 for basic customs duty and output GST.
The HAL chairman said the cost for each fighter version of the aircraft will be Rs 309 crore ($42 Million) and Rs 280 crore for the trainer ($38 Million).
Affordable number fillers for sure. $5 billion for 4 squadrons, inclusive of infrastructure and x amount of spares.Cybaru wrote:so approximately 2.6/2.7 LCA's for every rafale? SWEET!! Order More only please...
So for every squadron of rafale, we get almost 3 of LCA! Dang!
Just may be slotted array radar el.2032 is a bit cheaper than Aesa El 2052 and associated electronics.basant wrote:^^^
Trainer is cheaper!? What is missing? I hope not the radar!
Even AN/APG-83 costs less than 3.3 M for F-16. I can't see how the difference in radar prices would result in such a huge amount. There is something more to it, perhaps various costs are already amortized, to explain the difference.Aditya_V wrote:Just may be slotted array radar el.2032 is a bit cheaper than Aesa El 2052 and associated electronics.basant wrote:^^^
Trainer is cheaper!? What is missing? I hope not the radar!
In his interview with ABP News, R Madhavan mentioned that the first fighter from this order will be delivered in 36 months of the contract signature and the entire contract will be delivered in 6 years.Vips wrote:Even if IAF orders additional Tejas HAL simply is not in any position to offer the numbers in the time frame required. They plan to stay with the 16 per year delivery figure and want to set up any additional capacity only if there are any export orders.
Check this:
https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 056_1.html
"Three years is the strategic timeline for developing infrastructure as well as delivery of the aircraft(so what the heck is the present infrastructure of Tejas they already have capacity of 8+8 across two lines). We will meet the timeline. The first aircraft is expected to be
delivered by March 2024. "Initially we will supply around four aircraft and increase the number to 16 annually from 2025," Madhavan said.
So delivery of 83 aircraft will be completed only in 2029
The cost of the Tejas Mk1A will include other development and integration costs, plus the cost of the EW suite, the AESA radar and new HAL (or ADA?) Mission Computer.srai wrote:^^^
Don’t forget to add costs associated with designs and integration activities from ADA, Elta and HAL. Verification through test rigs and flight tests. On the production side of things, alterations to various assembly jigs. And so on.
Subsequent orders would come out cheaper usually.
In addition, the inflation itself makes a big difference. Even at 5% annual inflation, the avg cost of trainers which will be made in next 2-3yrs will be much less than the Mk1A to be made from 3-8yrs from now. There is roughly 3-4yrs of difference between the yrs in which avg cost would be the actual cost for the trainer and the Mk1A batches. That itself is close to 20% difference, give or take some, just on an account of inflation.Kartik wrote:The cost of the Tejas Mk1A will include other development and integration costs, plus the cost of the EW suite, the AESA radar and new HAL (or ADA?) Mission Computer.srai wrote:^^^
Don’t forget to add costs associated with designs and integration activities from ADA, Elta and HAL. Verification through test rigs and flight tests. On the production side of things, alterations to various assembly jigs. And so on.
Subsequent orders would come out cheaper usually.
Tejas Mk1 FOC is already in production with no new systems required for the trainers as such. So that would imply that the fly-away cost of a Tejas Mk1 FOC will also be very close to that of a Tejas Mk1 FOC Trainer - i.e. 280 crores or $38 million.
I must have missed this. Which source mentions this? I only remember seeing some 800Cr as consultancy feea to ADA.Vips wrote:^^ The total cost of Rs 48,000 crore includes design and development cost of Rs 2,500 crore to be given to Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and around Rs 2,250 crore set aside for variations in foreign currency exchange rate.
JayS wrote:I must have missed this. Which source mentions this? I only remember seeing some 800Cr as consultancy feea to ADA.Vips wrote:^^ The total cost of Rs 48,000 crore includes design and development cost of Rs 2,500 crore to be given to Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and around Rs 2,250 crore set aside for variations in foreign currency exchange rate.
Shukla’s article mentions 800Cr with total cost of 45,696 crore.JayS wrote:I must have missed this. Which source mentions this? I only remember seeing some 800Cr as consultancy feea to ADA.Vips wrote:^^ The total cost of Rs 48,000 crore includes design and development cost of Rs 2,500 crore to be given to Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and around Rs 2,250 crore set aside for variations in foreign currency exchange rate.
You might want to read this from ADA which has a list of LRUs. (Few years old though)venkat_kv wrote:to all the gurus a noob pooch,
while the current radar in MK1A is supposed to come with collaboration from isreal and ejection seats from martin baker from Uk and engine from GE in the US, the other 340 odd items of which about 60% were made in india. Do we own all the IP and licenses of those items or we are manufacturing some of them while paying licensing fees. An example of something like this that came to mind was actuators i think, initially we imported them and then our desi company was manufacturing them.
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There are 358 LRU's (Components) in the Tejas aircraft, out of which 53% of total LRU's are indigenously developed with in India. In view to reduce the remaining 47% of the import LRU's, ADA has initiated the Indigenous development programme for indigenization of the import LRU's.
The List of Components (LRU's) which belong to different systems of Aircraft, ADA is looking to indigenous is given in the table below.
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ADA is inviting the vendors/developers who are willing to take up the development of above components. ADA will provide all the information about components, Such as Technical Specifications, Test Requirements etc.
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Please take sometime (45 minutes) and watch it if you are interested in future of IAF, makes you feel proud and have hope. Ten amazing people pursuing their dreams, great job TARMAKbasant wrote:Was watching at 22:20 how the cross-wind deviates the take off of NLCA. Fascinating!
No, no and no.venkat_kv wrote:to all the gurus a noob pooch,
while the current radar in MK1A is supposed to come with collaboration from isreal and ejection seats from martin baker from Uk and engine from GE in the US, the other 340 odd items of which about 60% were made in india. Do we own all the IP and licenses of those items or we are manufacturing some of them while paying licensing fees. An example of something like this that came to mind was actuators i think, initially we imported them and then our desi company was manufacturing them.
