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titash wrote: 2) Are the 4 + 4 + 10 conversion trainers expected to be fully combat capable? i.e. do they have a fully functional radar and BVR capability? If they are fully combat capable...are these birds going to be held in a central pool of sorts, or farmed out to individual squadron as needed? Basically how many combat capable birds can a squadron be expected to bring to a fight?
Tejas trainers are fully combat capable, like the Mirage-2000 TH/TI twin-seaters. The IAF prefers twin seat M2k's for certain missions and I don't see why that cannot be the case for the Tejas as well. Each squadron should ideally have 2 trainers allotted to it. They will be used for both training duties as well as combat missions.
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IAF boosts LCA Tejas capabilities with French HAMMER missiles under emergency powers

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ashishvikas wrote:IAF boosts LCA Tejas capabilities with French HAMMER missiles under emergency powers

https://www.aninews.in/news/national/ge ... Bg.twitter
:shock: :shock: 8) 8)
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Nice!! How easy it is to add weapons to a homegrown fighter!!
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Brilliant news! Tejas + SAAW + Hammer for some serious earth-moving action. This is also a reflection of IAF's trust in the Tejas' proven A2G capability

If you watch Dr. Kota's interviews in the Tarmak series, he specifically talks about this point repeatedly. Because the mission computer, the software & hardware interfaces, the avionics, display etc are all ours PLUS our significant prior experience in integrating Russian, French & Israeli weapons, we can qualify any weapon on Tejas in record time!
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ashishvikas wrote:IAF boosts LCA Tejas capabilities with French HAMMER missiles under emergency powers

https://www.aninews.in/news/national/ge ... Bg.twitter
So much mirchi and chutney for one samosa!! :D :D

Jokes aside, this will be a hell of a punch of the Tejas. Cost of the AASM remains a drawback though
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Several Noob Poochs:
Although I am happy with the HAMMER integration, don't we have a desi equivalent ?
A heavier SAAW version or Desi Glide bomb addon Kit could have done job. Isn't it ?
Additionally, we already have plans to integrate SPICE too for LCA Mk2 (and could easily be integrated to LCA Tejas MK1 and MK1A later on)

And last if not the least if HAMMER is ok, then why not METEOR now ?
Is it because France doesn't have a say on MBDA decisions ?
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Avinandan wrote:And last if not the least if HAMMER is ok, then why not METEOR now ?
Is it because France doesn't have a say on MBDA decisions ?
Meteor will likely come on the batch of Mk1As that have the Uttam AESA, but not on the Elta AESA.
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PAF personnel in front of the Tejas pavilion at the Dubai airshow. This is going to be controversial.

https://twitter.com/mjavinod/status/146 ... 64738?s=20 ---> Pilots from either side at Dubai. Other than the swag only other come commonality is the Nomex overall.

https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/146 ... 36195?s=20 ---> Was @SpokespersonMoD aware of this? I am sorry but the Pakistan Air Force should *not* have been anywhere near the cockpit of an operational IAF (FOC) Tejas Mk1 unit. No need to extend such 'professional courtesy' at this hour. Calls for a detailed intel report.

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What the PAF likely saw from standing outside the cockpit. Pictures like these are all over Google.

But if it were up to me, I still would not have extended that courtesy. Standing for a photo op in front of the plane is one thing, but getting a view of the cockpit - even if it were just professional courtesy between two air forces - should not have been done. That is just my humble opinion.

One thing seeing it in pictures, but it is a different experience seeing it in person. I had that experience myself, when I saw the Su-30MKI in flight and the interiors of INS Delhi, INS Viraat and a Sindhugosh (Kilo) Class submarine. Disclaimer - I did not learn or see anything that was classified, during my visits, but that is not the point.

https://www.pinterest.ca/pin/341218109242718124/ --->

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Chill bro! Next time they'll have brown pants only if Tejas appears on their radar.
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Strategically it makes sense for us to not extend that courtesy. Let them underplan/ over plan onlee! Why this bhai chara … oh is it in case another Mig21 falls on their side and we need chai biskoot? Honestly I would tell them it is classified and let them spend $$ on getting intel. So now if some Abdul on our side was sending them intel this will just confirm to them if that Abdul is trustworthy!!
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiat ... 2021-11-16

India places orders for French HAMMER missiles to enhance Tejas capabilities
The acquisition of the French HAMMER missiles will enable Tejas jets to take out enemy bunkers 70km away.

With the ongoing conflict with China along the northern borders set to be prolonged, India has placed orders for HAMMER missiles from France to enhance the capabilities of its LCA Tejas fighter jets.

The acquisition will enable Tejas jets to take out enemy bunkers 70km away. The capability of taking out enemy targets from such ranges would allow the indigenous planes to carry out Balakot-like airstrikes with more accuracy and precision, top government sources told India Today.
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Avinandan wrote:Several Noob Poochs:
Although I am happy with the HAMMER integration, don't we have a desi equivalent ?
A heavier SAAW version or Desi Glide bomb addon Kit could have done job. Isn't it ?
Additionally, we already have plans to integrate SPICE too for LCA Mk2 (and could easily be integrated to LCA Tejas MK1 and MK1A later on)

And last if not the least if HAMMER is ok, then why not METEOR now ?
Is it because France doesn't have a say on MBDA decisions ?
One reason why you could integrate weapons which are otherwise available in desi variants is that it makes logistics easier. LCA can use from the same inventory which might be stored for another aircraft in forward bases.

Regarding meteor, Admiral I doubt french will agree. Because Mk1A carrying Meteor means Mk2 definitely carrying them and that will cut into numbers of rafale we may order. Ofcourse they could agree once SFDR comes into action, when we may not need as much.
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YashG wrote:Regarding meteor, Admiral I doubt french will agree. Because Mk1A carrying Meteor means Mk2 definitely carrying them and that will cut into numbers of rafale we may order. Ofcourse they could agree once SFDR comes into action, when we may not need as much.
When SFDR and Astra Mk2 comes on board, rest assured Meteor will be offered. The issue was syncing the Meteor with Israel's Elta AESA.

The Hammer will obviously be fitted onboard the 83 Tejas Mk1As as well. The French have no issue with this, but Meteor is their game changer missile. They need to keep a few aces up their sleeve.
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ashishvikas wrote:IAF boosts LCA Tejas capabilities with French HAMMER missiles under emergency powers

https://www.aninews.in/news/national/ge ... Bg.twitter
https://twitter.com/Firezstarter1/statu ... 92000?s=20 ---> Significant point being made here - that the IAF considers the Tejas a front line multirole asset capable of taking on the most critical targets (defended by an IADS) and is willing to invest in it more and more.

https://twitter.com/Firezstarter1/statu ... 18885?s=20 ---> Don't forget the IAF saw the Tejas deliver the best A2G scores at Gagan Shakti with the platform able to deliver six sorties per day.

https://twitter.com/Firezstarter1/statu ... 14177?s=20 ---> It has then gone on to perform in exercises like the Vayu Shakti, which is the IAF's well established inter unit exercise.

https://twitter.com/Firezstarter1/statu ... 68289?s=20 ---> The FOC Tejas Mk1s also come with IFR, further boosting their range, allowing them to far surpass range restrictions imposed by a typical light fighter profile. Mk1 IOC will receive rest of the avionics, weapons upgrades. Mk1A will be IFR capable from the beginning as well.

https://twitter.com/Firezstarter1/statu ... 78187?s=20 ---> Tejas will also likely receive the DRDO A2G suite currently in induction/advanced trials including the SAAW, LRGB, PG-HSLD (standard and winged) and the NGARM. Coupled with its sensor suite, and a datalink, the platform will offer excellent multirole capabilities for its size.

https://twitter.com/EkNashwar/status/14 ... 96102?s=20 ---> IRST now becomes more essential with this emerging role. I guess that will be an external pod-based along with Laser Designator and other advanced EO suites.

https://twitter.com/Firezstarter1/statu ... 37730?s=20 ---> The Hammer has multiple variants, inertial/GPS only or with active designation or with its own passive IR seeker. IRST is for air to air. Tejas can carry Litening which has both A2A and A2G modes.
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https://twitter.com/Messienberg/status/ ... 3490054147

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FETa6tzXEAM ... name=large

PAF officers visiting Tejas at Dubai

Per Vayu Aerospace, IAF officers visited JF-17 at Paris Airshow 2019
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ashishvikas wrote:IAF boosts LCA Tejas capabilities with French HAMMER missiles under emergency powers

https://www.aninews.in/news/national/ge ... Bg.twitter
https://twitter.com/IFENewsAgency/statu ... 23145?s=20 ---> Huge Game Changer: India places orders for HAMMER missiles from France, for Tejas - LCA fighter jets. The missiles will enhance the capabilities of the Tejas to strike enemy targets 70 km deep inside enemy territory. Tejas is now a deadly force in the region with the Rafale combo.

https://twitter.com/IFENewsAgency/statu ... 12576?s=20 ---> Rafale and Tejas can work in combination. Rafale can provide superb air cover to our bomb truck LCA. The IAF is known for its clever strategies with what they got. Acquiring Hammers for Tejas, means India is preparing itself for new fresh and deadly tactics against PAF & PLA.
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Btw ball to ball commentary on hammer integration on Tejas that we all dissect and trisect was missing this time
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Look at the serial numbers of both aircraft in these pictures and tell me what you see different :)

Both aircraft (actual and model) are from the Dubai Air Show. You can drag and drop both pictures into new browser windows to see them in their full size. For folks who still cannot read the serial number, it is LA-5018.

https://twitter.com/writetake/status/14 ... 06916?s=20 --->

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https://twitter.com/writetake/status/14 ... 58531?s=20 --->

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Rakesh wrote:Look at the serial numbers of both aircraft in these pictures and tell me what you see different :)

Both aircraft (actual and model) are from the Dubai Air Show. You can drag and drop both pictures into new browser windows to see them in their full size. For folks who still cannot read the serial number, it is LA-5018.

https://twitter.com/writetake/status/14 ... 06916?s=20 --->

https://twitter.com/writetake/status/14 ... 58531?s=20 --->
The Model is two seater and having wider wing span & longer nose cone ?

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I don't know about the wider wing span, but you are correct about the serial number. That just stood out to me.
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Hamara Tejas | Episode-06 Teaser | At HAL's ARDC

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suryag wrote:Btw ball to ball commentary on hammer integration on Tejas that we all dissect and trisect was missing this time
Hammer integration on LCA means it can be integrated with many other IAF aircraft that have the avionics suite eg. Jaguar, M2K etc.
recall Hammer was bought for Rafale with much fanfare and r/d.
One detail left out is which version of Hammer is being ordered for Tejas?
Hammer 250 is special design.
The others are kit to convert different Mk 8x bombs.

Am still awaiting Astra integration on Tejas that IAF agreed to.
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Ramana-ji, this is the last I heard on the Astra integration....

Astra Mk1 integration with Tejas nears completion, both Israeli FCR to be enabled
https://www.eletimes.com/astra-mk1-inte ... be-enabled
13 July 2021
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VinodTK wrote:Hamara Tejas | Episode-06 Teaser | At HAL's ARDC
The LCA Tejas Ironbird which is a complete working model of LCA
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Rakesh wrote:Ramana-ji, this is the last I heard on the Astra integration....

Astra Mk1 integration with Tejas nears completion, both Israeli FCR to be enabled
https://www.eletimes.com/astra-mk1-inte ... be-enabled
13 July 2021
Rakesh, Thanks.
So it was quite a bit off schedule.

Wonder whats the hold-up is.
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To ALL Jingos: Please read the next two posts *VERY* carefully.

Digest & Understand *EVERY* word. Great series of tweets from Indranil.


https://twitter.com/Indrani1_Roy/status ... 21984?s=20 ---> Tejas is a truly swing-role capable aircraft. And at $42 million it is an absolute steal. Missiles and ammunitions are expensive. So IAF would like to have the flexibility of using all of them with Tejas. It's prohibitively expensive to do on any other aircraft.

[ If you want to see why IR responded in a series of tweets, please click below. Otherwise Read On 8) ]
https://twitter.com/Indrani1_Roy/status ... 90850?s=20 ---> I am sorry but that this reflects a 'brochure' understanding of swing role capabilities.

https://twitter.com/Indrani1_Roy/status ... 14051?s=20 ---> 1. I have never heard of an actual or training mission where a fighter is tasked with a strike role and then asked to do air-to-air duties on the way back! By swing-role it is almost always that the fighter is on a strike role, but there are no escorting fighters.

https://twitter.com/Indrani1_Roy/status ... 21121?s=20 ---> 2. They are responsible for their own defense. So, during the mission if these fighters are challenged in A2A, they will lose their strike package (if it is still on) and immediately change to A2A. Typically, this is in enemy airspace.

https://twitter.com/Indrani1_Roy/status ... 54756?s=20 ---> 3. So, the focus is typically to extract pilot and aircraft safely. If an opportunity arises to register a kill, then it is “sone pe suhaga”! Nobody goes in with one aircraft carrying strike package + fuel tanks + 2 BVRAAMs + 2 WVRAAMs. Typically, it is ordnance + FTs + 2 WVRAAMs.

https://twitter.com/Indrani1_Roy/status ... 93282?s=20 ---> 4. So, what is the difference between a multirole fighter and a swingrole fighter? Let me give you an example. Legacy Mirage 2000s and modern MiG-29UPGs are multirole but not swing role fighters. They can do both strike and A2A roles pretty well.

https://twitter.com/Indrani1_Roy/status ... 00230?s=20 ---> 5. They can do swing role but the entire workload is on the pilot. The flight properties of a fighter changes drastically with & without heavy payloads and drop tanks. Not only is the flying envelop different but the control inputs to extract the best performance is also different.

https://twitter.com/Indrani1_Roy/status ... 49252?s=20 ---> 6. So when the aircraft swings roles, the pilot has to change the way he provides inputs to best fly the plane instantly! Mirage 2000s won't let the pilot reach outside envelop, but that's about it.

https://twitter.com/Indrani1_Roy/status ... 49313?s=20 ---> 7. On a swing-role fighter aircraft, this burden is handled by the flight computer (FC) and not the pilot. As soon as a payload is gone, the FC immediately adjusts its algorithms to keep the aircraft at maximum performance without exceeding the control limits.

https://twitter.com/Indrani1_Roy/status ... 95424?s=20 ---> 8. LCA has had this capability from Day One. And therefore it has had swing role capability from day 1. If you have any doubts speak to TPs and squadron pilots. They are quite accessible and friendly to talk to.

https://twitter.com/Indrani1_Roy/status ... 52032?s=20 ---> 9. So the question is not whether LCA is swing role or not. But what is the difference between light and medium swing-role fighters? Pretty much the same as light and medium multirole fighters.

https://twitter.com/Indrani1_Roy/status ... 45889?s=20 ---> 10. The latter allows you to carry more payload further, has longer endurance and often enjoys better TWR for better close in fights. At the same time, they cost a lot more. So there has to be a balance.

https://twitter.com/Indrani1_Roy/status ... 35392?s=20 ---> 11. However, this balance is strictly techno-commercial when both the fighters are imported or both are indigenous. In India’s case, it is not so. India can literally get 2 LCA Mk1As at the price of a single Rafale. And that is just the difference in flyaway costs.

https://twitter.com/Indrani1_Roy/status ... 59748?s=20 ---> 12. "India-specific" changes have cost us billions, literally! The flexibility of weapons is disproportionately in favour of LCA in India’s case. 4 WVRAAMs and counting, 1 BVRAAM and 3 in pipeline, and the plethora of A2G weapons is endless.

https://twitter.com/Indrani1_Roy/status ... 95424?s=20 ---> 13. To put things in perspective, every weapon on Rafale will probably feature on LCA. But we will never see any Indian missile or ammunition on a Rafale without paying a few billions for it. Or a radar, or anything for that matter!

https://twitter.com/Indrani1_Roy/status ... 06501?s=20 ---> Disclaimer: I am not against Rafale or France. France should not get Eurofighters instead of Rafale. Nothing makes more sense for France than Rafales. They were faced with the question and they made the same decision!

https://twitter.com/Indrani1_Roy/status ... 90016?s=20 ---> France made Dassault into what it is today. They stuck with Dassault even when import, co-design, co-production opportunities existed. And kudos to them. China is doing it now. Kudos to them too!
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As an offshoot to that discussion, some additional tweets...

https://twitter.com/theoptimist1991/sta ... 54822?s=20 ---> This is important. LCA and MWF are perhaps the only aircrafts which can integrate Western, Israeli, Indian, and Russian weapons with ease. For WVRAAM LCA has R-73, ASRAAM, and Python 5 at this point. Where is the 4th one?

https://twitter.com/Indrani1_Roy/status ... 02145?s=20 ---> I miscounted. Thanks for the correction. It is 3 and counting.

https://twitter.com/theoptimist1991/sta ... 72192?s=20 ---> I wonder if this capability will extend to the TEDBF and AMCA as well? AFAIK the R-77 was not mounted on the LCA. And neither was Russian air launched PGMs or A2G missiles, anti ship or anti radiation missiles.

https://twitter.com/Indrani1_Roy/status ... 37763?s=20 ---> Astra Mk1, Astra Mk2 and SFDR are here to stay. Astra Mk2 performance is significantly better than Mk1. SFDR is stabilizing. Same story for Indian PGMs. Tests have established very high accuracy. Don't expect any more imported PGMs.

https://twitter.com/theoptimist1991/sta ... 25857?s=20 ---> I also wouldn't be surprised if there is some sort of an Astra Mk1A with an AESA seeker and maybe a slightly improved rocket motor to take range to 120 - 130 km. For export customers imported missiles & PGMs can always be integrated for a fee. The capability is validated on LCA.
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ashishvikas wrote:IAF boosts LCA Tejas capabilities with French HAMMER missiles under emergency powers

https://www.aninews.in/news/national/ge ... Bg.twitter
Excellent news! Now LCA is not just Hamara Tejas but HAMMERa Tejas as well. :D
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I'm simply surprised by how quickly these guys got so serious!..


https://idrw.org/hal-offers-to-replace- ... ean-order/
R Madhavan speaking to ” Business-standard” has confirmed that India officially has offered its LCA-Tejas Mk1A in the tender for 12 jets that Argentina is looking to procure.
Madhavan added that the official pricing of the jet will be shared with Argentina by end of this month after considering the cost of re-equipment of 50 components and the supply of alternative systems and components from other suppliers. Argentine Air Force will decide by the “first quarter of next year” which aircraft they will procure.
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RishiChatterjee wrote:I'm simply surprised by how quickly these guys got so serious!..


https://idrw.org/hal-offers-to-replace- ... ean-order/
R Madhavan speaking to ” Business-standard” has confirmed that India officially has offered its LCA-Tejas Mk1A in the tender for 12 jets that Argentina is looking to procure.
Madhavan added that the official pricing of the jet will be shared with Argentina by end of this month after considering the cost of re-equipment of 50 components and the supply of alternative systems and components from other suppliers. Argentine Air Force will decide by the “first quarter of next year” which aircraft they will procure.
Alternative systems and components like Ejection seats right (as it will be embargoed by the UK). And if that fails (using russian seats) then the UK will press their cousins the US to nix this in the bud by way of the engine?
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RishiChatterjee wrote:I'm simply surprised by how quickly these guys got so serious!..


https://idrw.org/hal-offers-to-replace- ... ean-order/
R Madhavan speaking to ” Business-standard” has confirmed that India officially has offered its LCA-Tejas Mk1A in the tender for 12 jets that Argentina is looking to procure.
Madhavan added that the official pricing of the jet will be shared with Argentina by end of this month after considering the cost of re-equipment of 50 components and the supply of alternative systems and components from other suppliers. Argentine Air Force will decide by the “first quarter of next year” which aircraft they will procure.
I dont know whats going on here but the integration cost of LCA will put it beyond Argentina's budget. I wonder if F404 will be available. The only case I see LCA making it is if Argentina is aware of real non-performance of JF17 avionics, issues like Mission computer issues, Radar shortcomings & other malfunctions. But those things didnt deter Nigeria & Myanmar from buying JF17.
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Roop wrote:
ashishvikas wrote:IAF boosts LCA Tejas capabilities with French HAMMER missiles under emergency powers

https://www.aninews.in/news/national/ge ... Bg.twitter
Excellent news! Now LCA is not just Hamara Tejas but HAMMERa Tejas as well. :D
Question for Tejas Garus here - how exactly is the hammer different from Griffin LGBs and precision guided bombs that the DRDO is developing i.e. our INS/GPS and EO/IR guided & winged bombs? What does it bring to the table that the other Desi and Israeli wares don't?
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YashG wrote:
RishiChatterjee wrote:I'm simply surprised by how quickly these guys got so serious!..


https://idrw.org/hal-offers-to-replace- ... ean-order/
R Madhavan speaking to ” Business-standard” has confirmed that India officially has offered its LCA-Tejas Mk1A in the tender for 12 jets that Argentina is looking to procure.
Madhavan added that the official pricing of the jet will be shared with Argentina by end of this month after considering the cost of re-equipment of 50 components and the supply of alternative systems and components from other suppliers. Argentine Air Force will decide by the “first quarter of next year” which aircraft they will procure.
I dont know whats going on here but the integration cost of LCA will put it beyond Argentina's budget. I wonder if F404 will be available. The only case I see LCA making it is if Argentina is aware of real non-performance of JF17 avionics, issues like Mission computer issues, Radar shortcomings & other malfunctions. But those things didnt deter Nigeria & Myanmar from buying JF17.
I believe they'd do it anyway. A TejEx was on table for a while, an export friendly model like Jf-17 inherently is.I'll hazard a guess that will integrate everything we have to it... French/European, Russian, Israeli, Desi so that it can be exported to any country irrespective of affiliations.
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I wonder if F404 will be available...
Unlikely that the US will go against the UK and give clearance to India to offer Tejas with American engine.

The Argentines have bad blood with the French since the Falklands so doubt they will been interested in a French engine even if it would do all the long integrating/testing/certifying cycle (which also would apply to a Russian engine).

That leaves the Chinese as the only realistic option for the Argentines.. especially if they are pressed for time.
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I call BS on these tweets....mainly the first one...

https://twitter.com/defence_in/status/1 ... 08465?s=20 ---> The High Staff of IAF discussing which jet will replace the MiG-21bis in the No. 51 Squadron, Sword Arms.

1. The MK1 FOC, but lack of AESA became spoiler

2. Then MK1A was weighted

3. And now Rafale from the follow on batch being considered.

Courtesy : InNortherneron9-DFI.

https://twitter.com/defence_in/status/1 ... 46882?s=20 ---> And of all the MiG-21 squadrons, the replacement for the 51's is most critical due of the theatre it's located.

Courtesy : InNortherneron9-DFI.

https://twitter.com/defence_in/status/1 ... 97734?s=20 ---> The problem is can't stretch the hardened air shelters in AFS Srinagar to fit a Rafale's in it.

Courtesy : Okabe Rintarou-DFI.
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