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Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 04 January 2021

Postby Rakesh » 04 Jan 2021 20:16

Tejas Mk1 & Mk1A

Last Page of Previous Thread ---> viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7691&start=3880

Mods: Please update info below, as and when a new milestone is reached. Thank You.

Thanks to BRF Members --> Abhibhushan, Ashish Raval, Basant, Dileep, Fanne, Indranil Roy, Kakarat, Kartik, Khalsa, Nilesh Rane, Prasad, SaiK, Sankum and Vamsee for their contributions.

Info below (but not all) can be counter referenced here ---> http://www.tejas.gov.in/first_flights.html

Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) webpage on Tejas Mk1 ---> https://www.ada.gov.in/images/mk1.htm

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Removing Some Media Fallacies About The Capabilities of The LCA Tejas Fighter
http://delhidefencereview.com/2020/05/1 ... s-fighter/
By Indranil Roy, 17 May 2020

The pilot who helped Tejas breast the FOC tape
https://www.deccanherald.com/opinion/in ... 19475.html
By Air Vice Marshal Arjun Subramaniam (Retd), 31 March 2020

Tracking The Tejas: The Design Evolution Of An Indian Fighter
http://delhidefencereview.com/2019/02/2 ... er-part-i/
By Indranil Roy and Nilesh Rane, 22 February 2019

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Tejas Mk1A Official Video



The Tejas Saga & the Future of Indian Aerospace Capability



Tejas Titans: Tarmak Talking with superheroes of HAL's LCA Division



HAL's Top Scientists Explain LCA Mk 1A Cockpit



India's First Supersonic Trainer Aircraft (SPORT)



The Tejas SPORT



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Design Specifications
Length: 13.2 metres
Height: 4.4 metres
Wingspan: 8.2 metres
Wing Area: 38.4 square metres
Empty Weight: 7,040 kg
Maximum Internal Fuel: 2,485 kg
Clean Take-Off Weight: 10,330 kg
Maximum Take Off Weight: 14,240 kg
Maximum External Payload Capacity: 3,910 kg
Engine: General Electric F404-IN20 turbofan
Airframe Life: 9,000 hours
Hard Points: 7 + 1

Performance Specifications
Service Ceiling: 50,000 feet
G Limits: +8g / -3.5g
Thrust: 53.9 kN dry thrust and 89.8 kN wet thrust
Maximum Speed: Mach 1.6
Ferry Range: 2,800 km

Avionics - Mk1 Variant
Radar: Elta EL/M-2032 multi-mode all weather fire control radar with day and night capability.

Avionics - Mk1A Variant
Radar: Elta EL/M-2052 AESA radar with EL/L-8222 ECM pod for initial production batch. Later production batches could feature LRDE's Uttam AESA radar and DARE's Unified Electronic Warfare Suite.

Armament
Guns: One 23mm twin-barrel GSh-23 auto-cannon
Close Combat Missiles: R-73, ASRAAM and Python 5
Beyond Visual Range Missiles: Astra Mk1, Astra Mk2, I-Derby ER and R-77
Rockets: TBD
Air to Surface Missiles: TBD
Anti-Radiation Missiles: TBD
Anti-Ship Missiles: TBD
Precision Guided Munitions: TBD
Laser Guided Bombs: TBD
Un-Guided/Gravity Bombs: TBD
Cluster Munitions: TBD

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Mk 1 Initial Operational Clearance
IOC-I: 10 January 2011
IOC-II: 20 December 2013

Mk 1 Final Operational Clearance
FOC: 20 February 2019

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Acronyms:
TD: Technology Demonstrator
PV: Prototype Vehicle
LSP: Limited Series Production
SP: Series Production

Construction Number ... Serial Number ... Aircraft First Flight ... Pilot(s)
• TD-1 ... KH2001 ... 04-Jan-2001 ... Wing Commander Rajiv Kothiyal
• TD-2 ... KH2002 ... 06-Jun-2002 ... Wing Commander Tarun Banerjee

• PV-1 ... KH2003 ... 25-Nov-2003 ... Squadron Leader Suneet Krishna
• PV-2 ... KH2004 ... 01-Dec-2005 ... Wing Commander Vikram Singh
• PV-3 ... KH2005 ... 01-Dec-2006 ... Group Captain Harish Nayani
• PV-5 ... KH-T2009 ... 26-Nov-2009 ... Group Captain Ritu Raj Tyagi and Air Commodore Rohit Verma
• PV-6 ... KH-T2010 ... 08-Nov-2014 ... Group Captain Vivart Singh and Group Captain Anoop Kabadwal

• LSP-1 ... KH2011 ... 25-Apr-2007 ... Group Captain Aditya Prakash Singh
• LSP-2 ... KH2012 ... 16-Jun-2008 ... Wing Commander Narmdeshwar Tiwari
• LSP-3 ... KH2013 ... 23-Apr-2010 ... Wing Commander George Thomas
• LSP-4 ... KH2014 ... 02-Jun-2010 ... Group Captain Suneet Krishna
• LSP-5 ... KH2015 ... 19-Nov-2010 ... Lieutenant Commander Ankur Jain (IN)
• LSP-7 ... KH2017 ... 09-Mar-2012 ... Group Captain Kolal Krishnamurthy Venugopal
• LSP-8 ... KH2018 ... 31-Mar-2013 ... Air Commodore Kalianda Appaya Muthanna (Retd)

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No 45 Flying Daggers Squadron - Squadron Re-Raised on 01 July 2016
Raising CO - Group Captain Madhav Rangachari
Present CO - Group Captain Samrath Dhankhar

Production Line ... Construction Number ... Serial Number ... Aircraft First Flight ... Pilot(s)
• Line 1 ... SP-01 ... LA-5001 ... 01-Oct-2014 ... Air Commodore Kalianda Appaya Muthanna (Retd)
• Line 1 ... SP-02 ... LA-5002 ... 22-Mar-2016 ... Group Captain Kolal Krishnamurthy Venugopal (Retd)
• Line 1 ... SP-03 ... LA-5003 ... 28-Sep-2016 ... Air Commodore Kalianda Appaya Muthanna (Retd)
• Line 1 ... SP-04 ... LA-5004 ... 03-Mar-2017 ... Group Captain Kolal Krishnamurthy Venugopal (Retd)
• Line 2 ... SP-05 ... LA-5005 ... 08-Feb-2018 ... Air Commodore Kalianda Appaya Muthanna (Retd)
• Line 1 ... SP-06 ... LA-5006 ... 30-Jun-2017 ... Group Captain Kolal Krishnamurthy Venugopal (Retd)
• Line 1 ... SP-07 ... LA-5007 ... 12-Dec-2017 ... Group Captain Kolal Krishnamurthy Venugopal (Retd)
• Line 2 ... SP-08 ... LA-5008 ... 13-Mar-2018 ... Group Captain Kolal Krishnamurthy Venugopal (Retd)
• Line 1 ... SP-09 ... LA-5009 ... 24-Mar-2018 ... Air Commodore Kalianda Appaya Muthanna (Retd)
• Line 1 ... SP-10 ... LA-5010 ... 26-Jul-2018 ... Group Captain Kolal Krishnamurthy Venugopal (Retd)
• Line 2 ... SP-11 ... LA-5011 ... 10-Oct-2018 ... Group Captain Kolal Krishnamurthy Venugopal (Retd)
• Line 1 ... SP-12 ... LA-5012 ... 28-Nov-2018 ... Group Captain Kolal Krishnamurthy Venugopal (Retd)
• Line 2 ... SP-13 ... LA-5013 ... 30-Jan-2019 ... Group Captain Kolal Krishnamurthy Venugopal (Retd)
• Line 1 ... SP-14 ... LA-5014 ... 18-Jan-2019 ... Group Captain Kolal Krishnamurthy Venugopal (Retd)
• Line 2 ... SP-15 ... LA-5015 ... 23-Mar-2019 ... Group Captain Kolal Krishnamurthy Venugopal (Retd)
• Line 1 ... SP-16 ... LA-5016 ... 11-Mar-2019 ... Group Captain Kolal Krishnamurthy Venugopal (Retd)
• Line 1 ... SPT-1 ... LT-5201
• Line 1 ... SPT-2 ... LT-5202
• Line 1 ... SPT-3 ... LT-5203
• Line 1 ... SPT-4 ... LT-5204

No 18 Flying Bullets Squadron - Squadron Re-Raised on 01 April 2020
Raising CO - Group Captain Manish Tolani
Present CO < Rank > < Name >

Production Line ... Construction Number ... Serial Number ... Aircraft First Flight ... Pilot(s)
• Line 1 ... SP-17 ... LA-5017 ... 17-Mar-2020 ... Air Commodore Kalianda Appaya Muthanna (Retd)
• Line X ... SP-18 ... LA-5018 ... 24-Sep-2020 ... Air Commodore Kalianda Appaya Muthanna (Retd)
• Line X ... SP-19 ... LA-5019 ... 22-Jan-2021 ... Wing Commander Rajeev Joshi (Retd)
• Line X ... SP-20 ... LA-5020 ... 18-Mar-2021 ...
• Line X ... SP-21 ... LA-5021... 27-Mar-2021 ...
• Line X ... SP-22 ... LA-5022... 27-Mar-2021 ...
• Line X ... SP-23 ... LA-5023
• Line X ... SP-24 ... LA-5024
• Line X ... SP-25 ... LA-5025
• Line X ... SP-26 ... LA-5026
• Line X ... SP-27 ... LA-5027
• Line X ... SP-28 ... LA-5028
• Line X ... SP-29 ... LA-5029
• Line X ... SP-30 ... LA-5030
• Line X ... SP-31 ... LA-5031
• Line X ... SP-32 ... LA-5032
• Line X ... SPT-5 ... LT-5205
• Line X ... SPT-6 ... LT-5206
• Line X ... SPT-7 ... LT-5207
• Line X ... SPT-8 ... LT-5208

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Year-Over-Year Tejas Production

• 2015-16: One
• 2016: Two
• 2017: Three
• 2018: Six
• 2019: Four
• 2020: Two
• 2021: Four to Date

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Tejas Production Lines

• Line 1* (LCA Division): Current capacity is 8 aircraft per year.
*Manage outsourcing and supply chain management

• Line 2* (Aircraft Division): Current capacity is 4 aircraft per year.
*Manage second sub assembly and integration lines

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Quote below from Air Chief Marshal Rakesh Kumar Bhaduria, Chief of the Air Staff - Indian Air Force
URL, 29 May 2020
Tejas today what you are getting is the BEST IN ITS CLASS IN THE WORLD.

Take my word for it.

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Quote below from Air Marshal Raghunath Nambiar (Retd), former AOC-in-C Western Air Command, Indian Air Force
URL, June 2018, Page 17
It must be stated that the LCA Mark 1 and Mark 1A are very good aircraft. We recently conducted a major exercise called Gagan Shakti, and the LCA performed remarkably well. The best range scores and the best weapon delivery emerged from the nine LCAs we had fielded, which really worked wonders. This gives me the confidence to state that the LCA will see us through the next 20 years, if not more, in technological capability terms.

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Tweets below from Group Captain Harsh Vardhan Thakur (Retd) - Test Pilot, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited

https://twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/11760 ... 87329?s=20 ---> As it's already a widely acknowledged fact, Jaguar has a significant Radius of Action (RoA). It's noteworthy that Tejas is even better.

https://twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/11745 ... 03744?s=20 ---> For weapon trials, Tejas goes from Bangalore to Jaisalmer direct. Even Jaguars can't do that. So whatever the combat radius, it's pretty good.

https://twitter.com/drukkk/status/12202 ... 48640?s=20 ---> Can you throw some light on Tejas low flying ability? Can it take up DPSA role of Jaguar? Is its delta wing versatile enough for Jaguar type, long range, low level flying (with external fuel tanks of course)?
***Answer for above tweet is below***
https://twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/12203 ... 58113?s=20 ---> Yes, I think no problem in that. Tejas can exceed Jaguars.

https://twitter.com/JaidevJamwal/status ... 71488?s=20 ---> Everything else remaining same, do you think that Tejas can have same effect on target as Jaguar, better or worse?
***Answer for above tweet is below***
https://twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/12205 ... 10560?s=20 ---> Yes. Same or Better.

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URL, 31 March 2018
Abhibhushan wrote:To celebrate completion of 65 years of commissioned service and 50 years since assuming my first command of an operational unit, visited the Flying Daggers for tea and crew room Gup.

The boys are all experienced pilots.

Boys come from varied backgrounds. M2K, Jaguar, MiG-29, MiG-27 are all represented. Soon there will be boys from Su-30MKI as well. The boys were all very upbeat about their present mount.

Some snippets from crew room chatter.

the Mk1 is better than the non-upgraded Mirage 2000
talk about difficulties with maintenance are exaggerated
intensive operations have been tried out successfully
lots of scope to increase its might.
if it is compared with all other fighters in the IAF for all-round ability, it will easily be within the top third of the list.

A very happy day for me.

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URL, 19 Jan 2020
Dileep wrote:There was a 'conference' by SIATI on Fri Sat at HAL Convention Centre. Got some gyan from the presentations.

1. HAL really upbeat about completing the production of FOC Mk1 by March 2021.

2. Two of the IOC Mk1s are about to be handed over to IAF in 'these days'. Four FOC to be handed over before FY closes.

3. They are going full steam ahead with Mk1A. Order signing is only a formality.

4. The presentation said the engine is "F404-GE-IN30" and the guy actually said IN30. I can't recall such a designation. Neither can't google uncle. Either the guy have no clue and repeated a typo made by the intern who typed in the ppt or we at BRF have no clue.

5. No 45 Daggers Sqn flew 2,500 operational hours and 3 aircraft completed the 250 hour servicing.

6. 311 "modifications" done concurrently in production.

7. 82 LRU suppliers for 344 types out of which 210 are indigenous.

8. High failure rate of 34 types LRUs which is still being worked on.

9. 3,084 Machined parts

10. 172 Rubber parts

11. 4,329 Sheet Metal parts

12. 1,106 Pipes

13. 10 Acrylic / Plastic parts

14. 427 Composite Parts

15. Capacity is 16 Aircraft/Year ---> Eight at LCA Division, four at Aircraft Division and four at our sourced suppliers (Alpha Tocol Engineering Services Pvt Ltd, TATA Advanced Materials Ltd, Larsen & Toubro and VEM Technologies Private Limited).

16. Six sets of jigs ---> four jigs at Tejas Division, one jig at Aircraft Division and one jig at sub-contractor site (front jig at Dynamatic Technologies Limited, rear jig at Alpha Tocol and mid jig at VEM Technologies Private Limited).

17. They reduced cycle times by adding sub-sub assembly jigs.

18. 43 types of jigs are required.

19. Jigs calibrated to 80 micron using a laser measurement system. That is quite fast. Full interchangeability achieved.

20. Present cycle time: 6 months per set. He outlined the plans to increase and reach the target of 16 sets.

21. 7,200 holes to be drilled per set of wing! They bought a robotic drilling machine that brought down the cycle time from 30 days/20 people to 10 days/2 people. Accuracy also improved. Better cleanliness since composite debris is vacuumed off by the robot.

22. 185 panels are made interchangeability compliant. Include 24 nos of daily inspection panels. Extensive tooling made for panels.

23. All pipe assemblies are made using jigs for full interchangeability and advanced sub assembly preparation.

Senior manager of HAL in a one-on-one meeting says "LCA can crash only if it runs out of fuel". We all touched the wooden table and made a silent prayer.

The TED BF picture is just that, "a picture that people didn't reject right away" during the brainstorming.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 04 January 2021

Postby Rakesh » 04 Jan 2021 20:18

For all the Tejas lovers. Do you remember the date today? Where were you on 04 Jan 2001? Today is the 20th anniversary of the first flight that launched a billion dreams in India. Many pranams to the team at HAL, ADA, IAF and others that made the dream possible.

Jai Hind! Jai Jawan! Jai Vigyan!

https://twitter.com/writetake/status/13 ... 93568?s=20 ---> How it started and how's it going.

One plane, many stories! Tejas -- now flying in the hearts of a billion-plus.

How it started....
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....and how it is going
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Postby Rakesh » 04 Jan 2021 20:20

Something to wet the jingo appetites on the 20th anniversary of the first flight of Tejas, TD-1.

Courtesy of Group Captain HV Thakur (Retd) Sir.

https://twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/13459 ... 17536?s=20 ---> NEW YEAR GREETINGS...out of gridlock

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 04 January 2021

Postby Vidur » 04 Jan 2021 21:32

Jai Jawan, Jai Vigyan

But where is the Kisan :D

Jokes apart, many congratulations to Team Tejas, Team IAF and Team Bharat. Militray Aviation has truly come of age in India. The future is bright especially if we can properly harness the energies of the fantastic Indian pvt sector. We must not allow this opportunity to slip for fear of change. Our private sector are patriotic Indians too. They must be harnessed

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 04 January 2021

Postby Cybaru » 04 Jan 2021 21:50

Vidur wrote:Jai Jawan, Jai Vigyan

But where is the Kisan :D

Jokes apart, many congratulations to Team Tejas, Team IAF and Team Bharat. Militray Aviation has truly come of age in India. The future is bright especially if we can properly harness the energies of the fantastic Indian pvt sector. We must not allow this opportunity to slip for fear of change. Our private sector are patriotic Indians too. They must be harnessed



They absolutely have. The team is more confident about what they can make now. Would you know when the actual signing for the 83 MK1A is going to take place?

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Postby vivek_ahuja » 05 Jan 2021 10:14

Cybaru wrote:Would you know when the actual signing for the 83 MK1A is going to take place?


This close to AI 2021, the signing should be coordinated to match the importance of the event. If AI 2021 goes by and still no signature, then it starts getting embarrassing to continue this wait for signatures.

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Postby Aditya_V » 05 Jan 2021 11:26

Yup Us Jingos are desperately waiting for increased orders of Mk1A, Mk1 , Mk2 protypes, TEDBF prottype, AMCA TD-1 etc.....

We are progressing but too slow a pace.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 04 January 2021

Postby basant » 06 Jan 2021 01:49

India to soon ink two major military aircraft deals worth over Rs 50,000 crore
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“The Tejas contract will be the first to be approved by the CCS. It is likely to be inked in early-February. The C-295 project, with the participation of Tata as the Indian production agency will follow subsequently,” said an official on Tuesday. The overall cost of acquiring the 83 single-engine Tejas fighters and their support package has been cut down from the earlier around Rs 56,500 crore being demanded by HAL after protracted negotiations, as was reported by TOI last year.
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The 83 Tejas Mark-1A fighters will have 43 “improvements” to improve maintainability, AESA (active electronically scanned array) radar to replace existing mechanically-steered radar, air-to-air refuelling, long-range BVR (beyond visual range) missiles and advanced electronic warfare to jam enemy radars and missiles. After these 123 fighters, IAF is also looking to induct 170 Tejas Mark-2 or the MWF (medium weight fighter) jets with more powerful engines and advanced avionics. But IAF is banking upon the first 123 Tejas to add to its fighter squadrons, which is down to just 30 (each has 18 jets) when at least 42 are required for the requisite deterrence against Pakistan and China.

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Postby vivek_ahuja » 06 Jan 2021 02:13


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“The Tejas contract will be the first to be approved by the CCS. It is likely to be inked in early-February. The C-295 project, with the participation of Tata as the Indian production agency will follow subsequently,” said an official on Tuesday. The overall cost of acquiring the 83 single-engine Tejas fighters and their support package has been cut down from the earlier around Rs 56,500 crore being demanded by HAL after protracted negotiations, as was reported by TOI last year.


I wonder how that miracle was achieved. Did HAL sigh and reduce its profit margin? Or did IAF give up stuff in the support package to reduce the overall cost right now?

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 04 January 2021

Postby Rakesh » 06 Jan 2021 02:17

Old News. That price package was agreed to early last year by both parties.

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Postby vivek_ahuja » 06 Jan 2021 02:19

Rakesh wrote:Old News. That price package was agreed to early last year by both parties.


I realize it is old news. What I am wondering about is the compromises made by both parties to achieve this goal.

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Postby Rakesh » 06 Jan 2021 02:26

As per news articles last year, HAL cut her profits and the IAF reduced the number of spares. The reason for the compromise was reported last year as well. Discussed on the forum.

HAL cuts its profit on Tejas Mark 1A deal by 50%, fighter jets to take to sky by 2022
https://theprint.in/theprint-essential/ ... 22/383730/
19 March 2020

The big fall in price from an estimated Rs 50,000 crore to just about Rs 37,000 crore is a direct result of a juggling exercise by the IAF, which cut down on its demand list, including spares, logistics support and other issues.

Also, the HAL was directed to cut down its earlier projected profit of 12 per cent to a little over 6 per cent.

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Postby vivek_ahuja » 06 Jan 2021 02:36

Rakesh wrote:As per news articles last year, HAL cut her profits and the IAF reduced the number of spares. The reason for the compromise was reported last year as well. Discussed on the forum


Thanks. That's the details I was missing. So the spares and support was reduced...not sure what I feel about that. Hopefully it was IAF asking for extra rather than cutting down on what it considers essential.

Bizarre that agencies within the same government have to perform such maneuvers when dealing with their own.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 04 January 2021

Postby rajsunder » 06 Jan 2021 04:23

Rakesh wrote:As per news articles last year, HAL cut her profits and the IAF reduced the number of spares. The reason for the compromise was reported last year as well. Discussed on the forum.

HAL cuts its profit on Tejas Mark 1A deal by 50%, fighter jets to take to sky by 2022
https://theprint.in/theprint-essential/ ... 22/383730/
19 March 2020

The big fall in price from an estimated Rs 50,000 crore to just about Rs 37,000 crore is a direct result of a juggling exercise by the IAF, which cut down on its demand list, including spares, logistics support and other issues.

Also, the HAL was directed to cut down its earlier projected profit of 12 per cent to a little over 6 per cent.

The math does not add up. A decrease of 13000 crores decreasing the profit by 50% means the profit should be more than 12%. Because the decrease itself is about 26%.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 04 January 2021

Postby vivek_ahuja » 06 Jan 2021 04:30

rajsunder wrote:The math does not add up. A decrease of 13000 crores decreasing the profit by 50% means the profit should be more than 12%. Because the decrease itself is about 26%.


Read the full writeup: the profit was reduced by 50% AND IAF reduced its spares and support package.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 04 January 2021

Postby vera_k » 06 Jan 2021 04:31

vivek_ahuja wrote:Bizarre that agencies within the same government have to perform such maneuvers when dealing with their own.


Old story that the majority of the legal backlog consists of one government department suing another government department. This is an improvement in that it didn't land up in the court system. Perhaps, learning from this, arbitration can be mandated as a first step in commercial disputes when both parties are part of the government.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 04 January 2021

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Postby ramana » 06 Jan 2021 05:11

Rakesh wrote:As per news articles last year, HAL cut her profits and the IAF reduced the number of spares. The reason for the compromise was reported last year as well. Discussed on the forum.

HAL cuts its profit on Tejas Mark 1A deal by 50%, fighter jets to take to sky by 2022
https://theprint.in/theprint-essential/ ... 22/383730/
19 March 2020

The big fall in price from an estimated Rs 50,000 crore to just about Rs 37,000 crore is a direct result of a juggling exercise by the IAF, which cut down on its demand list, including spares, logistics support and other issues.

Also, the HAL was directed to cut down its earlier projected profit of 12 per cent to a little over 6 per cent.


Bokwas spin by mediators.

The 56000 crores was for life time maintenence.for 123 Tejas.
The sum was fact found and no discrepancy found.

It seems the quite included LCC spares etc. That makes sense if HAL was a foreign suppliet.like Sukhoi.
So under Nirmalaji it was clarified only flyaway aircraft.
Tomorrow is being presented to CCS per Rajat Pandit.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 04 January 2021

Postby ArjunPandit » 06 Jan 2021 05:52

ramana wrote:It seems the quite included LCC spares etc. That makes sense if HAL was a foreign suppliet.like Sukhoi.
So under Nirmalaji it was clarified only flyaway aircraft.
Tomorrow is being presented to CCS per Rajat Pandit.

ramana guru please add to it as long as this govt is there ..thankfully there seems to be less chances of it ..we all have seen excuses for arjun's serviceabilty/availability
also the margin cutting also limits the ability of HAL to pursue some projects like HTT..but thats the best that could be done in current circumstances...darn those bat eaters

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 04 January 2021

Postby krishna_krishna » 06 Jan 2021 09:09

ramana wrote:https://twitter.com/ramana_brf/status/1346592414509670405?s=19

83 Tejas Mk1A
And 56 C295


I had bought rampur sherry finish select for a special occasion, today is the day I guess to open it.Cannot describe the happiness and content I feel when full weight of forces is behind a desi product. You will now see porkis (and their massa friends) crying on how both countries have common enemy of poverty blah blah, the whole Maya was cast to make sure India is not technologically/numerically superior to deal porkis a decisive blow. That ring is finally getting broken, Porki deep state Jernales will surely dhoti shiver for sure today. :twisted:

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 04 January 2021

Postby Rakesh » 06 Jan 2021 09:24

Wait to open that sherry, in till that deal is actually signed.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 04 January 2021

Postby Pratyush » 06 Jan 2021 10:14

Rakesh wrote:Wait to open that sherry, in till that deal is actually signed.


Finders crossed.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 04 January 2021

Postby jamwal » 06 Jan 2021 10:37

Do we know the squadrons to which the new Tejas will be assigned?

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Postby Philip » 06 Jan 2021 10:50

This will be a momentous decision and the Tejas/ LCA will emulate our first ever indigenous fighter the HF-24 in numbers to be built after 6 decades! If a MK-1A NLCA is also developed,I am sure that the IN could be persuaded to order at least one sqd. which could be used on the existing 2 carriers,plus other options as I've mentioned in the Vikrant td. Great news about the C-295 too. Cheers all around,kudos to the heroes who've made this possible.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 04 January 2021

Postby Vivek K » 06 Jan 2021 12:52

Good news! But let’s wait for the signatures.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 04 January 2021

Postby Aditya_V » 06 Jan 2021 13:20

Yup, the article states middle of Feb 21- thats 1.5 months away. Wish they order some Mk1 also so we can ramp up production rapidly.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 04 January 2021

Postby Dileep » 06 Jan 2021 17:52

"deals in next few months" onlee. I ain't going to open even a Bisleri bottle for that news. We had heard that a lot.

I may (the Bisleri), if it gives an actual date, quoting a reliable source.

Now, when it ACTUALLY happens.. Well, not gonna tell ya!! One ban is enough!!

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Postby Aditya_V » 06 Jan 2021 18:14

Dileep wrote:"deals in next few months" onlee. I ain't going to open even a Bisleri bottle for that news. We had heard that a lot.

I may (the Bisleri), if it gives an actual date, quoting a reliable source.

Now, when it ACTUALLY happens.. Well, not gonna tell ya!! One ban is enough!!


How does an Oldie and host of Bharatganrajya get banned :roll:

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Postby basant » 06 Jan 2021 21:56

We don't need to probably wait that long. The budget speech should tell us enough.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 04 January 2021

Postby Rakesh » 06 Jan 2021 22:39

jamwal wrote:Do we know the squadrons to which the new Tejas will be assigned?

Not the exact squadrons, but you can eliminate all the Mirage 2000, MiG-29, Rafale and Su-30 squadrons from the list.

Number plated squadrons will likely be the ones to get assigned the new Tejas Mk1A birds. Being an avid serial number and squadron history watcher, I am eagerly waiting to see which squadrons will get the honour.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 04 January 2021

Postby vivek_ahuja » 06 Jan 2021 23:00

Rakesh wrote:Number plated squadrons will likely be the ones to get assigned the new Tejas Mk1A birds. Being an avid serial number and squadron history watcher, I am eagerly waiting to see which squadrons will get the honour.


Is it the IAF process to assign new aircraft to Number-Plated squadrons and then stand down existing squadrons whose aircraft are retired (in turn number-plating them)?

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Postby nam » 07 Jan 2021 00:32

So from 2019 March to 2024 Feb that 5 years, for all screams of low sqd numbers, IAF has ordered and would have got 16 fighters. That is 3 fighters per year.

IAF: LCA doesn't have enough features. HAL: We don't have enough orders GoI: We don't have enough money.

IAF: We want more Rafales HAL: We made a deal for F18's GOI: Need to spend money to buy friends.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 04 January 2021

Postby Indranil » 07 Jan 2021 01:15

Dileep wrote:"deals in next few months" onlee. I ain't going to open even a Bisleri bottle for that news. We had heard that a lot.

I may (the Bisleri), if it gives an actual date, quoting a reliable source.

Now, when it ACTUALLY happens.. Well, not gonna tell ya!! One ban is enough!!

Welcome back Dileep sir. Yes, get the bottles, but don't open them yet.

Between, I am hearing some good news. New SPs to come out soon.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 04 January 2021

Postby Rakesh » 07 Jan 2021 02:42

vivek_ahuja wrote:
Rakesh wrote:Number plated squadrons will likely be the ones to get assigned the new Tejas Mk1A birds. Being an avid serial number and squadron history watcher, I am eagerly waiting to see which squadrons will get the honour.


Is it the IAF process to assign new aircraft to Number-Plated squadrons and then stand down existing squadrons whose aircraft are retired (in turn number-plating them)?

Number plated squadrons are the ones available right away. Otherwise you have to re-assign a current unit to another unit designation. Lots of administrative headache.

And out of the number plated squadrons, if the Air Chief at the time or a senior Air Marshal happened to have once served in that squadron then that squadron gets the honour of raising the new aircraft being inducted.

Good Example - No 17 Golden Arrows, which currently operates the first Rafale squadron. When the squadron was raised in 2019, Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa Sir was the Air Chief. And he served as CO of No 17 Squadron during Kargil in 1999. Sqn Ldr Ajay Ahuja was also from that squadron. That squadron was number plated sometime between 2010 - 2016 with the retirement of the MiG-21. I can't remember the actual year it was number plated. So when the Rafale was inducted, he was the Air Chief and he picked his old squadron - No 17 Golden Arrows - and a new chapter was born.

Same with No 28 First Supersonics. Then Air Chief Marshal SK Mehra picked that unit to induct the first MiG-29 squadron in 1987. He commanded the squadron in the late 60s.

Boils down to senior air force leadership having nostalgia over their young days in squadrons that paved their career in the IAF. They get to choose the unit, when new aircraft are inducted. So it would all depend on who the Air Chief or senior Air Marshals will be in 2024 (when the first batch of Mk1As get inducted). Loyalty lies to their parent unit. Same with the Army. Regimental Izzat trumps everything else.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 04 January 2021

Postby yensoy » 07 Jan 2021 12:56

^^^^ so I guess my dream of seeing a Squadron Nine-and-three-quarter is not going to happen... it would have been magical; there but not there

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 04 January 2021

Postby Aditya_V » 07 Jan 2021 15:19

Realistically, how I hope all the 18 Trainer from 32 LCA MK1 are delivered by Jan 2024 before MK1A enters service. So 2019-24. Operational 53 LCA + 36 Rafale + 24 SU-30 and 21 MIG 29- these will be IAF inductions on the 5 year time frame plus M-2000 and MIG 29 fully upgraded.

Out of the above 8 Rafale, 12 Su 30 and some 20 LCA are operational - So IAF will probably induct 28Rafale+33 LCA+12 Su-30 +21 Mig 29=94 aircraft over the next 3 years.

IAF probably has what 8 Rafales, 265 SU 30, 59 Mig 29, 44 M-2000, 110 Jags, 120 Bisions and 20 LCA ~ 606 - given 80% availibility in war thats 480 aircraft against the Chinese and Pakis.

One feels we need a concerted 10 years of rapid Domestic inductions to eliminate 1 of these threats.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 04 January 2021

Postby Rakesh » 07 Jan 2021 21:41

https://twitter.com/Amitraaz/status/134 ... 79105?s=20 ---> Missiles and bombs sit on the tarmac in front of an IAF Tejas, developed by HAL, at the Kalaikunda AFS, West Bengal.

https://twitter.com/Amitraaz/status/134 ... 08769?s=20 --->

* R-73
* Derby
* HEAB MK11N and its variant (?)
* GRIFFIN LGB

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 04 January 2021

Postby Rakesh » 07 Jan 2021 21:43

https://twitter.com/writetake/status/13 ... 94656?s=20 ---> Truly amazing 20 years for Tejas, says King of CLAW - Shyam Shetty.

Shyam (ex-NAL Director) & his team contributed immensely building the fly-by-wire flight Control Laws (CLAW) for the Tejas program.


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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 04 January 2021

Postby Rakesh » 08 Jan 2021 00:36

Interesting back-and-forth between Air Marshal Raghunath Nambiar (retd) Sir and another twitter user....

https://twitter.com/Nambitiger1/status/ ... 32352?s=20 ---> This picture (Image 01) was taken by me from the front cockpit of the lead chase Mirage 2000 using a Sony DSC P1 Digital Camera. The LCA is on long finals in a 3 degree descent for Runway 09 about 7 km from touchdown.

https://twitter.com/Defencematrix1/stat ... 39744?s=20 ---> P1 was the camera P2 was the engine.

https://twitter.com/Nambitiger1/status/ ... 19328?s=20 ---> Good one! The M53-P2 was then 16 years in service with the IAF. The Sony DSC P1 was the latest digital camera available in Bangalore, and had been procured by ADA for the big event. Here is a picture (Image 02) from this 3 MP Camera on 9th Feb 2001 during the 4th Flight to Aero India 2001.

https://twitter.com/Defencematrix1/stat ... 81249?s=20 ---> What I have known about the M53-P2 is that, the engine is very efficient and powerful at the same time, very well suiting the Delta Wing configuration of the Mirage 2000, where energy gaining is quick, as losing is also due to high drag while sustaining the turn.

https://twitter.com/Defencematrix1/stat ... 82466?s=20 ---> So, The engine compensates for the energy loss quite well, which makes the Mirage so good in close ranges. Now, GE F404 engine is a good engine, but what I want to know is how well it compensates for the energy loss in Tejas?

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