Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

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Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby Rakesh » 07 Feb 2021 00:45

Thanks to BRF Members Bharadwaj and Sankum for their contributions.

Mods: Please update or correct info below, if found to be in error. Thank You.

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Design Specifications
Crew: 2
Crew: 6 passengers
Length: 11.49 metres
Height: 3.38 metres
Main Rotor Diameter: 11.6 metres
Empty Weight: 1,910 kg
Maximum Take Off Weight: 3,120 kg
Maximum Take Off Weight: 3,600 kg with underslung load
Underslung Load: 1,000 kg
Engine: 1 × HAL/Turbomeca Shakti-1U turboshaft derated to 798 kW (1,070 shp)

Performance Specifications
Maximum Speed: 250 km/h
Cruise Speed: 235 km/h
Never Exceed Speed: 259 km/h
Range: 350 km with 400 kg payload
Service Ceiling: 6,500 metres
Rate of Climb: 6.66 metres per second

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Construction Number ... Serial Number ... Aircraft First Flight ... Pilot(s)
• PT-1 ... ZG-4620 ... 07-Sept-2016 ...
• PT-2 ... ZG-4630 ... 22-May-2017 ...
• PT-3 ... ZG-4640 ... 14-Dec-2018 ...

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Milestones Achieved
Initial Operational Clearance: 05 Feb 2021

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby Rakesh » 07 Feb 2021 00:46

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/135 ... 50112?s=20 ---> HAL’s LUH has a great flying set at #AeroIndia2021 — exuding confidence fresh off successful final demos for the Army in Ladakh. The case for a foreign light copter evaporating fast.

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby Rakesh » 07 Feb 2021 00:47

https://twitter.com/HALHQBLR/status/1357617818187878406 ---> HAL's Light Utility Helicopter receives the Initial Operational Clearance for the Indian Army, from the Centre for Military Airworthiness and Certification (CEMILAC) during Aero India 2021.

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby sankum » 07 Feb 2021 01:08

Rakesh , Overload MTOW is 3600 kg when underslung load is carried in LUH from a old poster.

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby Rsatchi » 07 Feb 2021 01:12

Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/HALHQBLR/status/1357617818187878406 ---> HAL's Light Utility Helicopter receives the Initial Operational Clearance for the Indian Army, from the Centre for Military Airworthiness and Certification (CEMILAC) during Aero India 2021.

Noob Pooch :?:
Will it be able to transport ULH underslung??

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby sankum » 07 Feb 2021 01:23

Underslung load of ALH is 1500kg and in LUH is 1000 kg.

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby Rakesh » 07 Feb 2021 01:39

sankum wrote:Rakesh , Overload MTOW is 3600 kg when underslung load is carried in LUH from a old poster.

Made the correction. Please review the Design Specifications sub-heading. Thanks.

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby sankum » 07 Feb 2021 01:43

Rakesh should have kept both
MTOW 3120kg
Underslung MTOW 3600kg

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby Rakesh » 07 Feb 2021 01:44

Now? :)

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby sankum » 07 Feb 2021 02:10

Thanks :)

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby Rakesh » 07 Feb 2021 02:27

Thanks goes to you and not to me. I always look forward to your corrections and additions when I start threads like this. So your patience with this mango abdul is greatly appreciated. Then I saw the IMRH video and started a thread on that too!

I started this thread because of the IOC that the LUH got. Now it is just a matter of time, before she gets inducted.

So happy to see our aviation industry taking off like this. And these birds are all possible, just from one bird - HAL Dhruv.

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby Rakesh » 07 Feb 2021 20:24

https://twitter.com/ReviewVayu/status/1 ... 45889?s=20 ---> Mr R Madhavan, CMD of HAL: "All certification activities of LUH, ie, Ground/System testing, Ground Test Vehicle endurance runs, Flight testing including hot/cold weather trials, sea level/hot weather high altitude trials are completed. PJSQR requirements for certification are satisfactory."

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby basant » 07 Feb 2021 21:25

What are the remaining qualifications for FOC? Hope that also is achieved soon.

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby Bharadwaj » 08 Feb 2021 08:55

basant wrote:What are the remaining qualifications for FOC? Hope that also is achieved soon.


There is no FOC for LUH. Only equipment qualification- i.e autopilot, winch etc

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby Bharadwaj » 08 Feb 2021 08:56

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HJ55AW5q5E

Why would LUH need armor plates? are they working on a lancer replacement?

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby jamwal » 08 Feb 2021 13:17

LUH received IOC and LCH handed over before contract signing. This is the 1st instance of a local machine's variants seeing some success after failed attempts of Marut and INSAS. True lungi dance moment which many seem to have missed.

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby Rakesh » 23 Feb 2021 23:08

This is in Tumkur, Karnataka.

https://twitter.com/Mave_Intel/status/1 ... 67329?s=20 ---> New assembly line for Light Utility Helicopter.

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby Rakesh » 23 Feb 2021 23:14

https://twitter.com/strategic_front/sta ... 65408?s=20 ---> MoD approved the development of the LUH to replace the Cheetah/Chetak helicopters in February 2009. The LUH is likely to receive FOC in 2021 & then enter production (~187 copies will be made). For an aviation project, it has gone from prototype to production stage rather quickly.

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby Armuan » 13 Mar 2021 06:34

Awesome vide of failure testing of LUH. Shows how drastic and dangerous flight testing can be. Huge respect for Test pilot Unni pillai and others. Apologies if posted in a different thread.



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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby ashishvikas » 23 Mar 2021 13:37

Indigenous light choppers get go-ahead, delivery in 2022

Indigenous light choppers get go-ahead, delivery in 2022.

LoA for 12 LUH given, six each for the Army and IAF.

Total requirement for over 185.

Handing over by August 2022 to mark 75 years of independence. [Now we know, why LCA MK2 roll out is also planned for Aug-22 :) ]

https://twitter.com/manupubby/status/13 ... 79941?s=20

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... aign=cppst

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby Philip » 24 Mar 2021 11:13

Production/ yr. should be at least 24+ in order to replace old LUHs still flying.Even with the KA-226 production, when it finally begins, the need for this decade will be around 400+. An unmanned version should be taken up immediately for naval reqs.

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby nachiket » 24 Mar 2021 11:33

Yeah, LoA is for 12 but HAL should build a production line capable of making 24/year.

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby Khalsa » 24 Mar 2021 15:49

After the Tejas Mk1A Thread this is my second most highly rated thread.

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby Khalsa » 24 Mar 2021 15:51

nachiket wrote:Yeah, LoA is for 12 but HAL should build a production line capable of making 24/year.

Saar, should it not be better to match the build rate to the ageing and retirement schedule of Cheetahs and Chetaks unless ofcourse we were building up the total capacity in the Forces. i.e increasing LuH squadron numbers.

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby Pratyush » 24 Mar 2021 17:01

The need is for 900+ LUH. Over the next few decades. Rest assured that the quantity being procured will increase in the next few years.

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby Prem Kumar » 24 Mar 2021 19:04

^ I will believe it when I see it. Why would the Services/MoD place a paltry, token order? Seems reserved for desi maal: like 40 Tejas MK1s, 118 Arjuns, 12 LUHs, 248 Astras, 2+1 Netras ....

LCH, NAG, Helina & Namica are not even that lucky: zero orders so far

Contrast with 4000+ Milan order last week, 1000s of tin cans, billions of $$ on P8Is etc. I think the Services are playing the lip-service game. They know that Modi-sarkar insists on Atmanirbhar. So, instead of placing zero orders (which would be frowned upon), they have started to place token orders. Keeps Modi/RNS happy, while they can use up the big bucks for import maal.

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby nachiket » 24 Mar 2021 21:30

Pratyush wrote:The need is for 900+ LUH. Over the next few decades. Rest assured that the quantity being procured will increase in the next few years.

The "need" is meaningless when you are investing in a production facility and signing contracts with suppliers. What matters is how many airframes are actually cleared for an order. That number is 12 for now. There is no knowing if or when the rest of the airframes will be ordered (or even when these 12 will actually be ordered). Have a look at the state of the LCH. The chopper has been ready for a while now and we had seen similarly large numbers as the total requirement for the IA and IAF but even the initial order for 15 has been hanging fire. How can you expect any company to invest in large scale production in a scenario like this? Defence production does not work this way anywhere in the world.

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby nachiket » 24 Mar 2021 21:38

Prem Kumar wrote:^ I will believe it when I see it. Why would the Services/MoD place a paltry, token order? Seems reserved for desi maal: like 40 Tejas MK1s, 118 Arjuns, 12 LUHs, 248 Astras, 2+1 Netras ....

LCH, NAG, Helina & Namica are not even that lucky: zero orders so far

The actual orders for LUH also stand at 0. This is just an LoA for 12. We all know that for an LoA to become an order in our MoD can be an indefinitely long process, especially for indigenous equipment.

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby AkshaySG » 25 Mar 2021 00:04

There's a "have your cake and eat it too " kinda approach by MOD and the services these past few years .

One one hand they'll talk about Atmanirbharta and indigenous capabilities and show-off all these products during launches shows and brochures but spend an absolute age testing and negotiating any ,and when the order comes its some paltry amount with some "future promise " of more ,
Meanwhile sneakily they'll find some emergency fund/attrition replacement clause and order the expensive phoren maal in huge numbers .

Plus they also get to savor the applause and limelight for doing the bare minimum multiple times .
Once after its tested ,
Once after its cleared ,
Once after it moves to DAC/CCS,
once after the order is placed and then finally once again at delivery .

Ensuring multiple opportunities for some nice photo ops and buzz wordy-speeches over multiple years meanwhile we keep risking our fine officers in 50 yr old machines

LCH has already been made ,tested to its limits , HAL even went as far as making more from its own budget and giving to the services and still there's only a paltry order of 15 in the works , That too is taking years .LUH as a platform is good enough to start replacing the 50 yr old helos and yet all we can start with is a "go ahead " for 12 .... if its a go ahead then why can't we go ahead with 60-70 or more , You can always upgrade them later if that's a need .

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby Bharadwaj » 25 Mar 2021 10:00

nachiket wrote:
Prem Kumar wrote:^ I will believe it when I see it. Why would the Services/MoD place a paltry, token order? Seems reserved for desi maal: like 40 Tejas MK1s, 118 Arjuns, 12 LUHs, 248 Astras, 2+1 Netras ....

LCH, NAG, Helina & Namica are not even that lucky: zero orders so far

The actual orders for LUH also stand at 0. This is just an LoA for 12. We all know that for an LoA to become an order in our MoD can be an indefinitely long process, especially for indigenous equipment.


Based on earlier reports, my understanding is that this is a process similar to what is eventually happening with the LCH. i.e the helicopters will be taken by IA/IAF even as the order winds its way through the DPP. So come AUG 22 the LUH will be in service no matter what.

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby YashG » 25 Mar 2021 12:44

We can place $3 Bn orders for US drones but not for LCH and LUH. I dont understand. I'm so very very very disappointed with Def Min, GoI. Parrikar missed. It seems we r buying favors with US govt. through these orders by doing a disservice to our soldiers - who like someone said above are dying in older machines.

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Re: Light Utility Helicopter: News & Discussion: 06 Feb 2021

Postby Kartik » 25 Mar 2021 18:59

Good view of the LUH with the modified skids that were apparently more aerodynamically refined. Not sure whether it'll enter production with this skid design or the earlier one.

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