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Chinese scientists work on hypersonic missile that can hit moving car
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/militar ... moving-car
17 May 2022

* Chinese scientists work on hypersonic missile that can hit moving car
* Researchers say their breakthroughs will achieve split second pinpoint accuracy over long distances
* ‘Important progress’ has been made towards 2025 deadline to come up with solutions to the missile technology’s challenges
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If this happened in India, the import lobby would be clamouring for imported ATGMs and the shutting down of the local ATGM program. Not reliable enough, missile bounced off, warhead did not detonate upon impact and it does not have that phoren glow, colour and smell. Then start an inquiry as to why the mijjile failed and ensure appointed committee members are compromised (import lobby).

Click on link below for VIDEO:

https://twitter.com/FrontlinerUV/status ... o-SpVrawIQ ---> During an exercise, Chinese WZ-10 fires an ATGM towards a target and it bounce off.
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This is not the first time I am seeing something like this in China.

What makes the PRC procurement process superior to India's is the commitment to domestic military industrial capacity.
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Rakesh wrote:If this happened in India, the import lobby would be clamouring for imported ATGMs and the shutting down of the local ATGM program. Not reliable enough, missile bounced off, warhead did not detonate upon impact and it does not have that phoren glow, colour and smell. Then start an inquiry as to why the mijjile failed and ensure appointed committee members are compromised (import lobby).

Click on link below for VIDEO:

https://twitter.com/FrontlinerUV/status ... o-SpVrawIQ ---> During an exercise, Chinese WZ-10 fires an ATGM towards a target and it bounce off.
Sirji,

The import lobby is no foreign body ...
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Admiral,

Now you know why the Indian Armd Corps is not worried about the TinCans..
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Classified Info On China’s Main Battle Tank – Type 99 Leaked Online By A Gamer
https://eurasiantimes.com/classified-in ... ed-online/
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That missile bouncing off does not mean a thing - it could be a training round (which means their targeting, locking and guidance works accurately) or it could be a fuze issue (which is very fixable). But the fact is they can bring their own ATGM into mass production and absorb that into their military is of concern.
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They bring most - if not all - of their products into mass production. They learn and then improve.

In India, we want better than AGM-114 Hellfire style capability from the very first test flight. When that does not happen, then everything goes downhill.
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New Chinese Aircraft Carrier’s Dry Dock Is Flooded, Launch Imminent
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/l ... r-imminent
14 June 2022
China’s highly anticipated new carrier is seen fully decorated with its dry dock filled for its debut in new satellite imagery.
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https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... u-s-navys/

The images show a beautiful ship.

The ability to decide what needs to be done and persistence to accomplish the goal makes makes the PRC system superior to Indian system.

It's this systemic superiority that will defeat India in the long run. If we don't change our way of doing things.
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The Renhai Class is also something to note
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Any comments on PLAF air exercises around Taiwan?

Please collect news and evaluations.
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The sure way to destroy China would be to make it democratic
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10 years to design and build a 80K ton carrier with Emals is simply amazing. They have another carrier no. 004 in production with nuclear propulsion and emals.
The pace of Chinese naval buildup is unprecedented in history. Also, simply impossible to replicate by any other country. Wonder what the cost of the Fujian turned out to be? The USS Gerald Ford was really expensive, though it is the first of the class and hence the cost for the follow on vessels should reduce.
The only question is how will the Chinese find and train so many personnel fast enough to man all the ships that they have built over the last 20 years.
The US projects the Chinese navy to be 420 ships strong by 2025.

The Chinese probably just want to out build everyone else in the world, so that no one would dare challenge them and the actual fighting capabilities of their platforms and men are never revealed.
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China says it tested missile-interception system
SHANGHAI (Reuters) - China has carried out a land-based missile interception test that "achieved its expected purpose", the Defence Ministry said, describing it as defensive and not aimed at any country.

China has been ramping up research into all sorts of missiles, from those that can destroy satellites in space to advanced nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles, as part of an ambitious modernisation scheme overseen by President Xi Jinping.
The ministry said in a brief statement late on Sunday that the "ground-based midcourse anti-missile intercept technology" test had been carried out that night.

"The test reached its expected goals," the ministry said. "This test was defensive and not aimed at any country."

It provided no other details.
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To what extent deployment of this system will impact India's deterrence posture needs to be studied. Given India's minimum credible deterrent position, an ABM system such as this will likely be designed to neutralize a limited number of inbound ballistic missiles (Agni 5s to Beijing e.g.), precisely the kind of deterrence currently practiced by India.
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ramana wrote:Any comments on PLAF air exercises around Taiwan?

Please collect news and evaluations.
The PLAF is trying to build competence for over water operations. As time goes by they will be adding several times more aircrafts and multiple tankers to the packages. But that will still not be sufficient for an invasion.

The PRC needs to build capacity that can conduct a D day sized landing operation in Taiwan. Along with the ability to reinforce that force. Once that is done, the invasion will happen. The PRC is still between 7 to 10 years away at present rate of build-up.

Alternatively, once Taiwan learns that such a force is available. They might just agree to a peaceful assimilation with PRC.
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Jamwal started documenting PLA combat brigades;

https://twitter.com/JaidevJamwal/status ... fJr6A&s=19
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Never mind China's new aircraft carrier, these are the ships the US should worry about
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/25/asia/chi ... index.html
25 June 2022
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China upgraded firepower on LAC: official source
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 567560.ece
27 June 2022
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On June 30, a new highway crossing the Takla Makan Desert in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of China was put into operation at a cost of $261.5 miillion
Located in the south of Xinjiang in the Baiingoling Mongolian Autonomous Prefecture

https://twitter.com/OsintTv/status/1542 ... 5uuReB-Ncw

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https://twitter.com/TheLegateIN/status/ ... 02VhKjedIw ---> Exclusive. This is the first time China has exposed it's S-400 Air Defense System from the occupied Tibet-Nyingchi. Reportedly PLA has upgraded Hotan air base, Xinjiang & Nyingchi air base, Tibet. Both bases are just across the LAC in Ladakh & ArunachalPradesh. @OsintTv

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SCMP Infographic on China's biggest Wargames. Note date July 2017!!!

https://multimedia.scmp.com/culture/art ... 7A153.html
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https://twitter.com/DesiEscobar07/statu ... sdxe97AQ4Q ---> China claims it has developed AI technology to read the minds of CCP members to test their loyalty.
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https://twitter.com/TheLegateIN/status/ ... SLQPM9a_aA ---> China's command and control mechanism to be first target in war scenario: US Military.
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First high resolution image of China's J-35 stealth carrier fighter. It was known as the FC-31 during it's experimental phase but looks now to be offically known as the J-35. Appears to have twin domestic WS-21/13E engines replacing the Russian RD-93 engines used during early test flights of the FC-31. It's very much in the testing phase as of now.

Our Best Look Yet At China’s J-35 Carrier-Capable Stealth Fighter

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I am quite sure that the PRC has not artificially limited it's capacity by limiting the internal weapons bay to under 50% of the F35.

On a very serious note, it has the potential of being a more numerous counter part to the J20.
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Rakesh wrote: https://twitter.com/TheLegateIN/status/ ... SLQPM9a_aA ---> China's command and control mechanism to be first target in war scenario: US Military.
In other news, water is wet.
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Pratyush wrote:I am quite sure that the PRC has not artificially limited it's capacity by limiting the internal weapons bay to under 50% of the F35.
My guess is that it is part of evolving PLAN doctrine. Besides it's internal weapons bay, the J-35 has 6/8 external hard points. China would have also learned lessons from the development of the J-20 e.g. while the PL-15 AAM fits inside the J-20 weapons bay, I don't know if the YJ-91 anti radiation missile fits inside the J-20s bays. Having 6/8 external hardpoints on the J-35 allows them the flexibility of externally carrying munitions that are too big to fit into the weapons bay. So initially they could use a mixed force of J-15s and J-35s to face off against opposing naval forces with the J-35 carrying only internal stores to minimize rcs for counter air operations. Or they could use some J-35s only with internal stores for counter air and other J-35s with external stores such as the YJ-91 for attacks on enemy naval targets. This is unlike the US where the overwhelming effort is to design munitions that fit inside the F-35s weapons bay e.g. Other long range precision weapons such as the LRASM, the stealthy long range anti ship cruise missile will use platforms that can stay safely out of AD bubble of an enemy fleet.
On a very serious note, it has the potential of being a more numerous counter part to the J20.
Quite possible. It is smaller and cheaper than the J-20. It was the losing design put forward by Shenyang Aircraft Corporation in the stealth fighter competition for the PLAAF which was ultimately won by Chengdu Aircraft Corporation which makes the J-20. Shenyang continued in house development of the FC-31, now officially designated the J-35, and their patience has paid off. It is entirely possible that China decides to have a land based version of the J-35 to more rapidly expand their land based LO fighter fleet.
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https://twitter.com/TheLegateIN/status/ ... Cz6Yu8Dhlg ---> Report: Chinese fighter deployments and sorties have gone up not just across Ladakh sector, but also across Arunachal Pradesh.
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A study from 2003 – now available and translated into English – contains fascinating insights on how China has approached the development of it's first 5th generation fighter. The author is the former Chief Designer of Shenyang Aircraft Corporation which is developing China's second fifth generation fighter, the J-35.

The article in The Diplomat about the Study

The Full Study in English

Consider that this study reflected Chinese thought on the airborne battlespace over the next 20-30 years. It identified the US F-22 and the F-35 as the primary benchmarks against which Chinese 5th generation fighter development had to be paced. At the time the study was written it was assumed by China that the US would produce far more than the 187 F-22s at which production was prematurely terminated.

The study states that the Chinese 5th generation fighter should be capable of:

Possessing stealth capability comparable to the F-22 - later in the study it specifies the target rcs as <0.3

To be able to compete with the F-22 and hold some advantages over the F-35 - remember that when this study was prepared in 2003, the first flight of the F-35 was still 3 years away.

Possessing engines capable of supercruise without afterburner - similarly supercruise is defined as Mach 1.7 without afterburner and engine thrust is defined as 15 tons with afterburning.

Possessing superior manoeuvrability

Possessing a large combat radius (>1000 km <2000 km) - combat radius is defined as the ability to reach the capitals of neighboring countries from Chinese airbases without refueling (reach Delhi, Taipei, Hanoi) and be able to operate over the entire Japanese island network with 1 refueling.

Possessing a highly integrated, intelligent avionics and airborne weapons system - radar tracking range is defined as 200 km and in retrospect it looks like they have achieved it as the PL-15 air to air missile (Chinese domestic version) is supposed to have a range of 200 km so the radar tracking will enable it to guide the missile to it's maximum range.

Possessing good reliability, maintainability, and good affordability

Similarly there is a forecast for how long development of this fighter and its engines will take and overall it is remarkable that China has been largely ahead of schedule and their own forecast as given in the Study for what is a very complex development process:
The Strategic Study offers a projected developmental timeline, suggesting the aircraft would begin full-fledged development in 2006-2007, start flight testing around 2013, and be commissioned into service in 2019-2020, with delivery of an initial batch of six aircraft carried out in 2020. Meanwhile, the TWR 10 engine would begin preproduction delivery around 2017 and start small batch delivery in 2021. In retrospect, the development and delivery of WS-15 has lagged from this projection, while the overall J-20 aircraft (using interim Al-31 and WS-10 engines) began development and production earlier than this projection, having begun flight tests in early 2011, started delivery of the first batch of six aircraft in 2016, and entered small batch delivery around 2018, three to four years ahead of this projection. Still, the projected timeline seemed fairly accurate and reasonable in hindsight.
Based on the record of the J-20 it would not be unreasonable to assume that the J-35 flight testing schedule, production and IOC/FOC will also be fast.
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Really disappointing if true. But I am not surprised one bit.

Click on the twitter link and just read the twitter thread. Check out the pictures as well.

https://twitter.com/Jkylebass/status/15 ... FaIs6I1tzg ---> The former Chinese PLA General who owns 200 square miles of Texas land next to Laughlin Air Base is General Sun Guangxin who formed GH America. Sun, and Guanghui Group are closely connected to the Chinese military and the Communist Party of China.
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Rakesh wrote:Really disappointing if true. But I am not surprised one bit.

Click on the twitter link and just read the twitter thread. Check out the pictures as well.

https://twitter.com/Jkylebass/status/15 ... FaIs6I1tzg ---> The former Chinese PLA General who owns 200 square miles of Texas land next to Laughlin Air Base is General Sun Guangxin who formed GH America. Sun, and Guanghui Group are closely connected to the Chinese military and the Communist Party of China.
A lot more to this story. Follow Huntsman on twitter.

There are American citizens involved
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NRao wrote:A lot more to this story. Follow Huntsman on twitter.

There are American citizens involved
Thanks. I will look him up.

Just out of curiosity....how is this even allowed? Is China an enemy or a friend?
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Rakesh wrote:
NRao wrote:A lot more to this story. Follow Huntsman on twitter.

There are American citizens involved
Thanks. I will look him up.

Just out of curiosity....how is this even allowed? Is China an enemy or a friend?
The Texas story is old, there is an active thread in North Dakota:

https://twitter.com/maphumanintent/stat ... 26?lang=bn

His real name is Ross Kennedy. Between the two you should be able to follow the story - very similar to the one in Texas.

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China is an enemy for the DoD

China is a great friend to D of Treasury (DoT). No better friend.

Biden's $40 billion for Ukraine was borrowed from China - via the DoT.

Trillions of $$ for Afghanistan, Iraq, and now Ukraine (pay packs) is from china via DoT.
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NRao wrote:
Biden's $40 billion for Ukraine was borrowed from China - via the DoT.

Trillions of $$ for Afghanistan, Iraq, and now Ukraine (pay packs) is from china via DoT.
China's holdings of US Treasuries have been declining since 2017 when they reached their high water mark. In the first half of this year they declined below $ 1 trillion. So China has not been financing the $40 billion US funding of the Ukraine, in fact they are redeeming/selling off USTs. It would be more accurate to say that the majority has been funded by the US Fed which has been buying a lot of USTs immediately after auction. Check out the image link below to understand. I won't clutter this page with an actual image. US does not need China to fund a war. USD strength against the Euro (almost at parity) against the Yen etc. is indicative of where funds are flowing. Even the Indian rupee is flirting with Rs 80 to the USD.

https://www.ceicdata.com/datapage/chart ... 01&lang=en
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ldev wrote:
NRao wrote:
Biden's $40 billion for Ukraine was borrowed from China - via the DoT.

Trillions of $$ for Afghanistan, Iraq, and now Ukraine (pay packs) is from china via DoT.
China's holdings of US Treasuries have been declining since 2017 when they reached their high water mark. In the first half of this year they declined below $ 1 trillion. So China has not been financing the $40 billion US funding of the Ukraine, in fact they are redeeming/selling off USTs. It would be more accurate to say that the majority has been funded by the US Fed which has been buying a lot of USTs immediately after auction. Check out the image link below to understand. I won't clutter this page with an actual image. US does not need China to fund a war. USD strength against the Euro (almost at parity) against the Yen etc. is indicative of where funds are flowing. Even the Indian rupee is flirting with Rs 80 to the USD.

https://www.ceicdata.com/datapage/chart ... 01&lang=en
The dollar is in a way propped up currency due to two things., the Bretton woods petrodollar mechanism that creates USD demand and the deep links of global finance system with US state ., SWIFT etc .

The up and about USD values are a sort of indicator that global fluctuations affect it in a major way., as major economies shift from the Dollar the value is likely to fall spectacularly., a sort of tipping point is likely to happen inside of 10 years. if the status quo in geopolitics changes esp with respect to China.
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^^ the fall of the USD is the wet dream of Russia and China. Will it happen in 10 years? Who knows. What is important is that as of today the US can raise virtually unlimited amount of funding for any purpose that it chooses. Check and see how many people from India are willing to park savings in rubles or renminbi vs USDs. When that sentiment changes, then the USD is in trouble. Until then it is all wishful thinking. The global financial architecture is designed around the USD. China's renminbi is not even fully convertible. Very long way to go.
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