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Pratyush wrote:https://eurasiantimes.com/chinas-mid-ai ... -fighters/
China’s Mid Air Spectacle! 1st Photo Showing Y-20 Tanker Refueling J-20, J-16 Jets Surfaces; PLAAF Can Now Reach ‘Everywhere’
This is what I have been dreading for the last few years.

If the PRC manages to build between 240 to 300 of these jets by 2035. Then they will have overcome the assurance that IAF has about the inability of PRC to operate over Tibetan plateau in any numbers.

By that time they will be having close to 2000 late 4th generation jets and a few hundred 5th generation jets.
If we are so largely overtaken by China, we need to take a leaf out of Paki book and declare "first use on hair trigger" policy and hope they buy it. I don't see what else can save our sorry asses.
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Boron-powered Chinese missile will work in the air and underwater
Rocket scientists in China are working to develop a boron-powered supersonic missile that can fly like a commercial airliner and then swim in the water to act as a torpedo, South China Morning Post (SCMP) reported. The range and speed of the missile are expected to be much larger than any torpedo developed so far.

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J20 data: photo shows the fixed Luneburg Lens, while the main picture shows a block, indicating a retractable system

And something else., IAF chief not long ago mentioned they had detected J20s over Tibet., we wondered if the 20s were equipped with the Luneburg Lens.. is it possible to differentiate whether a stealth plane is using the Luneburg Lens, when its real RCS is not known?

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Anyone know what all those hexagons are?
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kit wrote:J20data: photo shows the fixed Luneburg Lens, while the main picture shows a block, indicating a retractable system

And something else., IAF chief not long ago mentioned they had detected J20s over Tibet., we wondered if the 20s were equipped with the Luneburg Lens.. is it possible to differentiate whether a stealth plane is using the Luneburg Lens, when its real RCS is not known ?
Today, any stealth article can be detected very early, but a lock on that article is only possible when it is very close.

Stealth, by itself, is nearly meaningless. Use it if you have the techs. But use your funds elsewhere if you do not have it. After all 6th Gen is being able to operate in A2/AD.

BTW, Uncle has ability to fully operate drones, vehicles without GPS - not shells. Has not fielded the tech yet - guess because of training.
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Air Force Generals Aren’t “Losing Sleep” Over China’s J-20 Stealth Fighter
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/a ... th-fighter
23 Sept 2022
Air Force chiefs aren’t too concerned with China’s J-20 stealth fighter, but say the service has to keep modernizing to keep it that way.
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Source behind a paywall:
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/militar ... t-carriers
Chinese navy struggles to find enough pilots for 3 aircraft carriers

PLA needs at least 200 qualified carrier-based fighter jet pilots to operate 130 ship-borne aircraft, expert says
Military magazine says JL-9G trainer cannot be used to simulate emergency landings on a flight deck
Same news from the Chindu:
https://www.thehindu.com/news/internati ... ing%20said.
China struggling to find enough trained pilots for its three aircraft carriers: report
The People’s Liberation Army Navy has sped up carrier-based fighter jet pilot training programmes in the decade since the commissioning of its first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning
China is struggling to find enough trained pilots to operate fighter jets from aircraft carriers, prompting its navy with two aircraft carriers commissioned and another launched in June, to speed up the pilot training programme, a media report in Beijing said.

The People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) is struggling to meet increased demand for qualified ship-borne fighter jet pilots to operate the specially made J-15 jets for the aircraft carriers.

The PLAN has sped up carrier-based fighter jet pilot training programmes in the decade since the commissioning of its first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, but its lack of a fighter trainer specifically designed for carrier-based operations has hindered progress, according to an article published in Ordnance Industry Science Technology, a Chinese military magazine.
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How We Would Know When China Is Preparing to Invade Taiwan
https://carnegieendowment.org/2022/10/0 ... -pub-88053
03 Oct 2022
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ex-RAF & ex-RN pilots are available for sale :)

Is China Really Using Ex-UK Military Pilots For Tactics Insights? Sure Seems Like it
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/i ... ms-like-it
18 Oct 2022
The U.K. Ministry of Defense admits that dozens of its veteran military pilots are now assisting the Chinese with air combat training.
A story published by The Times of London states that “at least 30” pilots who previously served with the U.K. Armed Forces have been recruited by China “to help Beijing develop its tactics and technological expertise.”
All apparently began working for China from the end of 2019 onward and are said to be earning around £240,000 (roughly $270,000) a year.
The Times states that efforts have been made to recruit pilots with experience flying the F-35B stealth fighter, and Typhoon multirole fighter, as well as Merlin and Wildcat helicopters, which are used for anti-submarine warfare, among other roles.
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There is no way this can happen without the knowledge of British MoD and even its active connivance.
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Tanaji wrote:There is no way this can happen without the knowledge of British MoD and even its active connivance.
They need permission to work abroad. UK MoD has been aware of them working in China.

However, less than $300,000 per year is so dirt cheap

Meanwhile:

At Least 15 Former U.S. Generals and Admirals Are Now Working for Saudi Arabia
A lengthy Washington Post investigation has found that since 2015, at least 500 retired United States military members, including generals and admirals, have accepted plum jobs for foreign countries like Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and other nations ....................
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Tanaji wrote:There is no way this can happen without the knowledge of British MoD and even its active connivance.
I thought China was the enemy of the free world :rotfl:
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:rotfl: One cannot make this stuff up. Just click on that link.... :rotfl:

VIDEO: https://twitter.com/JaidevJamwal/status ... 2iIGEUMROw ---> Chinese army is using onion tadka to spice up sniper training. No timatars visible, seems like they've been given away to their iron brothers in Pakistan.
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Rakesh wrote: https://twitter.com/JaidevJamwal/status ... 2iIGEUMROw ---> Chinese army is using onion tadka to spice up sniper training. No timatars visible, seems like they've been given away to their iron brothers in Pakistan.
Exactly what are they trying to accomplish? Getting the eye used to irritants? They seem to go to a lot of effort to appear TFTA… be it those segway riding soldiers or the clips of them being hit by planks or bricks as part of some toughening up techniques…
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Nautanki Saar. That is what this is. Pure Nautanki.
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Reminds me of this video of shirtless north korean soldiers who stood still in freezing cold in front of Kim while being beaten with sticks, to show how strong they are.
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Rakesh wrote:ex-RAF & ex-RN pilots are available for sale :)

Is China Really Using Ex-UK Military Pilots For Tactics Insights? Sure Seems Like it
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/i ... ms-like-it
18 Oct 2022
Ex-RAF top gun (call sign Hooligan) has made a killing training China's fighter pilots - and helped recruit dozens of British airmen paid £250,000 a year by Beijing... so why has the MoD only just woken up to this outrage?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... irmen.html
21 Oct 2022
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China Recruiting French Military Pilots To Train PLA Aviators For Carrier-Based Ops: French Media
https://eurasiantimes.com/french-milita ... ier-based/
23 Oct 2022
Le Figaro, a French daily newspaper, claimed that Beijing had been actively seeking skilled French instructors for aircraft carrier landings. The media outlet cited a former Super Étendard pilot who served on the French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle.

The former pilot was also contacted by a mysterious South African-based company. The New York Times investigation earlier also revealed that China hired former British pilots via a South African-based private flying test company.

But, French Navy pilots are highly sought-after targets as France is the only country with an aircraft carrier that uses a catapult in addition to the US and China, the report said.
“I almost tried it. This is not a common opportunity to have a fighter in your hands, and here I am offered the handle of a J-11,” he said, referring to the Chinese fighter jet, which is based on the Sukhoi 27.

The pilot recounted Beijing’s offer to train the Chinese air force and added, “I almost let myself be tempted.” The former Naval pilot eventually decided against accepting Beijing’s lucrative offer after much deliberation.

He stated that his first reason was “for fear of getting into trouble,” and the second was out of a sense of patriotism. The recent news, meanwhile, demonstrates China’s desperate efforts to enlist Western-trained fighter pilots to employ the same techniques against the US and its allies.

Experts have also raised the possibility that these western-trained fighter pilots may have divulged information on cutting-edge aircraft like the Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon to China.
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Ex-UK pilots lured to help Chinese military, MoD says
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63293582
18 Oct 2022
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Ex-Marine Corps Harrier Pilot Who Worked In China Has Been Arrested
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/e ... n-arrested
25 Oct 2022
The arrest comes shortly after the revelation that retired Western fighter pilots were working directly with China’s air arms in concerning ways.
https://twitter.com/InsightGL/status/15 ... PWXfM5GDRQ --->

- Former US military pilot & flight instructor Daniel Edmund Duggan arrested in #Australia faces extradition to USA.
- He worked in China & looks like either he trained Chinese pilots or leaked classified information.
- Were UK, US, Australia etc agencies were sleeping till now.
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First display fake outrage and then the plot thickens...

UK sent RAF pilots to teach Chinese counterparts and allowed students to attend British military colleges
https://news.sky.com/story/uk-sent-raf- ... s-12732462
28 Oct 2022
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It would seem that the British military and strategic establishment are completely out of sync or gone rogue with the political establishment. What else explains the behaviour in numerous cases such as this and in Ukraine?
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I am waiting for someone to explain the "nuances" behind this decision. That train is never late with the Western world.
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Click on the link and enjoy the video.... :lol:

https://twitter.com/OsintTv/status/1586 ... eHjVeCj9fg ---> Chinese soldier using grinding machine to peel a raw egg.
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Power play: China’s submarines going lithium
https://asiatimes.com/2022/10/power-pla ... g-lithium/
30 Oct 2022
Switching from lead-acid to lithium-ion batteries could give China’s submarine warfare capabilities a power surge.
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Rakesh wrote:Power play: China’s submarines going lithium
https://asiatimes.com/2022/10/power-pla ... g-lithium/
30 Oct 2022
Switching from lead-acid to lithium-ion batteries could give China’s submarine warfare capabilities a power surge.
As an FYI, China has 80% of global manufacturing for lithium batteries.
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Rakesh wrote:I am waiting for someone to explain the "nuances" behind this decision. That train is never late with the Western world.
No nuance is needed to explain this decision.

The west didn't mind enhancement of PRC capacity upto a certain point. Once that threshold was crossed. They chose to act.

It's quite in keeping with the western thought process.
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Pratyush wrote:
Rakesh wrote:I am waiting for someone to explain the "nuances" behind this decision. That train is never late with the Western world.
No nuance is needed to explain this decision.

The west didn't mind enhancement of PRC capacity upto a certain point. Once that threshold was crossed. They chose to act.

It's quite in keeping with the western thought process.
It is as if there are forces in the shadows that made them do this, forces that will profit from a future confrontation/war.
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Rakesh wrote:I am waiting for someone to explain the "nuances" behind this decision. That train is never late with the Western world.
To find out what the chinese know/do.
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If China Invaded Taiwan, What Would India Do?
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/featu ... d-india-do
13 Nov 2022
The New Delhi government fears its expansionist neighbor but is deeply wary about getting in the middle of a brawl with Beijing.
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/t ... se-vehicle

PRC has unveiled a new air defence system of the type as the Tunguska.
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https://www.armyrecognition.com/weapons ... ystem.html

The PRC equivalent of Avenger system.
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https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/ch ... dc11a5b1bc

China now fitting the WS-10 carrier borne J-15B aircrafts. This was the last Chinese flanker variant to still use the Al-31F engines exclusively.
A good overall report.
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From:telegraphindia.com

Facility with 63 hangars gives strategic advantage in region
India faces new Chinese border threat as Beijing builds massive heliport in northern Tibet: Report

China is building a giant heliport at Golmud in northern Tibet within striking distance of its borders with India.

The enormous heliport which is said to have 63 hangars is reckoned to be one of China’s biggest, and even larger than another one facing the Taiwan Strait, according to The Drive/Warzone, an online magazine that looks closely at defence issues.

Golmud’s massive heliport will be part of a string of smaller bases in Tibet and helipads in Aksai Chin and Ladakh that come all the way upto the Line of Actual Control are aimed at strengthening China’s military position in the region.

Helicopters can perform a range of functions from regular patrolling to airlifting troops and munitions quickly to smaller outposts that need speedy reinforcements. “A very large heliport here (in Golmud) would greatly enhance China’s ability to improve training or execute troop movements and rapid logistical operations towards any section of the Sino-Indo border if the need arises,” says The Warzone.

Golmud already has a large airbase. But work on building the new and entirely separate heliport started in 2020 and is now nearly complete. The heliport also has its own barracks and support facilities.

A network of smaller heliports is also being set up in different parts of Tibet like Rutog, Gerze, Nyima and Seni. Though these are much smaller than the new base at Golmud they are also quite substantial operations with around 18 hangars each, says The Warzone.

It adds: “These smaller heliports, in conjunction with pre-existing airbases, and the large master heliport in Golmud, when mapped, also spell out a clear aerial logistics network being realized across the plateau which could benefit military, armed police, and emergency work.”

Lhasa heliport, reports The Warzone, is one of establishments undergoing, “renovations and expansion activity”. It adds that Lhasa heliport is being reorganised to also make space for UAV launches.

At the other end of the network China’s also building small helipads in places like Aksai Chin and at key conflict points like Doklam. All these together, says The Warzone: “Stands to significantly enhance Beijing’s ability to quickly project power and sustain military operations throughout the tense region, even independent of runways.”

It adds: “These heliports would also greatly enhance troop movement for the Chinese forces allowing for rapid response and support in case of any future clashes. During a major conflict, they would be essential forward operating and resupply points.”

China now has helicopters like the Z-20 which have more powerful engines and can operate at higher altitudes. Helicopters need huge amounts of power to operate in regions like Ladakh where even the valley floors are at around 14,000ft.

India’s Prachand, made at HAL, is also designed to be operational at heights of upto 19,000ft. Besides that we have several helicopters that can operate at heights like the Mi-17

The Indian Air Force also has 22 formidable AH-64E attack helicopters and the army has just acquired another six. The AH-64E is described by Boeing as, “an advanced multi-mission helicopter with the latest technology insertions, maintaining its standing as the world’s best attack helicopter”. Also, India has 15 CH-47 Chinook helicopters that are crucial for operations in Siachin and also Ladakh.

After the Kargil War the Indian armed forces realised the need for helicopters that could operate at Himalayan heights.

China’s also strengthening its airbases and road network in Ladakh, Aksai Chin and the entire Tibetan Plateau. It’s even building better roads that will extend to remote villages that are not far from the Sino-Indian border in Arunachal Pradesh.

India is also moving to enhance airbase capabilities in the Ladakh region. It is upgrading its base at Nyoma, 50km from the LAC in Eastern Ladakh. It’s also being made ready for fighter operations. Besides that we also have an airbase at Fukche and our highest landing strip at Daulat Beg Oldi. Fukche is near the disputed Depchok region.

However, both helipads and airbases close to the actual LAC run the risk of coming under fire from enemy guns or planes.
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Not sure how true this is, but it wouldn't surprise me if it were:

https://youtube.com/shorts/WfVWovCK-88?feature=share
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Cyrano wrote:Not sure how true this is, but it wouldn't surprise me if it were:

https://youtube.com/shorts/WfVWovCK-88?feature=share
Financial Express also had a write-up on this.

However, this is an EW-related issue. Thumb rule: any electronics can be fried or the communication cut off.

And, perchance if such helmets pose a problem too, say for Indian troops, the Chinese will be treated like jihadis.

Aside: wonder what prevents a soldier from simply removing his helmet. Or is it chain-locked to his head?
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I think they are bolt locked to the skull , to unlock you need a special key that only the company commander has. Since their skull is largely empty it isn't much of a problem.
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Cyrano wrote:I think they are bolt locked to the skull , to unlock you need a special key that only the company commander has. Since their skull is largely empty it isn't much of a problem.
How long can this be sold as patriotic feature and troops kept motivated.
Soon voluntry recruitment will dry up.
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VIDEO: https://twitter.com/Kontakt642/status/1 ... -oF8Rx0kwQ ---> What happens when a tank is not properly ventilated from toxic fumes ejected by the cannon breech? Carbon monoxide poisoning. In the 2020 Tank Biathlon, the Chinese gunner fainted from inhaling these fumes.

https://twitter.com/Kontakt642/status/1 ... -oF8Rx0kwQ ---> This is how the inside of the turret looks after firing several shots. The tanker was hospitalized after the race.

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