Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 23 March 2021

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And whats that?
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VinodTK wrote:
Indian Air Force: The Future is Now ACM Vivek R Chaudhari, Chief of Air Staff with Major Gaurav Arya
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Pratyush wrote:Even at the peak of cold war the USAF that had the longest reach and truly global capacity to strike. Maintained thousands of tactical aircrafts. Because they needed to deal with the masses of Warsaw pact tactical combat aircrafts.

In the Indian scenario the IAF needs to be able to deal with close to 2000 PRC and Pakistan jets combined. Supported by inflight tanking.

A few hundred strategic bombers. Coupled with thousands of cruise missiles and tactical ballistic missiles.

When faced with this situation, the chief says strike farthest.

If striking first and striking farthest is the objective, then they need to build a fleet accordingly.

AMCA has to be stopped and replaced with an aircraft with an un-refuled combat radius of 3000 kms. In order to cover most of PRC.

They also need thousands of cruise missiles with ranges exceeding 4000 kms. In order to reach out and touch most of PRC.

I am not seeing procurement priorities needed to accomplish this task.

But I am seeing comments about striking farthest.
You spoke my mind.

IAF staff is clueless to having a vision, tech development and fitting it into a schedule that will result in in a weapon being available in qty to fight the envisioned war.

Rhetoric is easy, walking the talk is impossible for currently structured IAF structure. Needs deep overhauling. Start with major purge of the fossilized top brass of IAF.
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Its called talking the talk but hoping no walking is required!!
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Do you know why MAF Arjan Singh was so dashing? He was 45 years old when he became Chief of Air Staff.
Very young and energetic.
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The very short tenures of our Armed Forces chiefs makes doctrines, policies & institutional habits all the more important

To truly clean the mess, Modi sarkar must groom/promote a whole set of IAF officers across ranks who are doers, who are aligned with our Atmanirbhar vision and who believe that we are destined to be a superpower
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How do they do it?
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ramana wrote:Do you know why MAF Arjan Singh was so dashing? He was 45 years old when he became Chief of Air Staff.
Very young and energetic.
Sam Manekshaw was 57 in 1971. Age may not have to do with it.
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Defence Ministry looks to rope in desi companies for upkeep of western aircraft
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 917088.cms
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IAF/NDA Diamond Super Dimona!
Haven't seen that many images. :D
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Image credits here
IE Story here: https://indianexpress.com/article/citie ... t-8589786/

From our BRF archive, something Sudanese perhaps?
A Super Dimona Motorised Glider of the NDAs Air Force Team flies over the NDAs main Sudan Block
https://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Gall ... 5.jpg.html
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ramana wrote:Sorry but GCM is showing it to be a farce.
Fine charge him with chain of command accountability but all these charges ridiculous.

Dont bad mouth him.
A book review of an egregious shoot down by USAF.

Friendly Fire. The Accidental Shootdown of U.S. Black Hawks over Northern Iraq
Scott A. Snook
On April 14, 1994, two U.S. Air Force F-15 fighters accidentally shot down two U.S. Army Black Hawk Helicopters over Northern Iraq, killing all twenty-six peacekeepers onboard. In response to this disaster, the complete array of military and civilian investigative and judicial procedures ran their course. After almost two years of investigation with virtually unlimited resources, no culprit emerged, no bad guy showed himself, no smoking gun was found. This book attempts to make sense of this tragedy--a tragedy that on its surface makes no sense at all. With almost twenty years in uniform and a Ph.D. in organizational behavior, Lieutenant Colonel Snook writes from a unique perspective. A victim of friendly fire himself, he develops individual, group, organizational, and cross-level accounts of the accident and applies a rigorous analysis based on behavioral science theory to account for critical links in the causal chain of events. By explaining separate pieces of the puzzle, and analyzing each at a different level, the author removes much of the mystery surrounding the shootdown. Based on a grounded theory and analysis, Snook offers a dynamic, cross-level mechanism he calls "practical drift"--the slow, steady uncoupling of practice from written procedure--to complete his explanation. His conclusion is disturbing. This accident happened because, or perhaps in spite of everyone behaving just the way we would expect them to behave, just the way theory would predict. The shootdown was a normal accident in a highly reliable organization.
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MeshaVishwas wrote:From our BRF archive, something Sudanese perhaps?
Not sure if this is a serious question or a joke which went over my head, but let me assume it's a serious question: There is nothing Sudanese about the Dimona drone, it's a product made in Austria. I had initially assumed it was Israeli, because Dimona is the name of a place in Israel (where they have their main nuclear reactor), but it appears my assumption was wrong. The drone is Austrian.

The only reason Sudan's name is relevant in this context is that the picture you referred to showed the Dimona drone flying over the "Sudan Block", which is the main academic building of NDA Khadakvasla. The building is also known as the Arts Block or the Main Block. The reason for the name "Sudan Block" is that when the NDA was built in 1954, the government of Sudan gave India a generous gift towards the construction of the Academy. The then GoI showed its appreciation by naming the building after the gift-giving country.
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That was poor joke Saar.
:D
Here is a spectacular video by VayuSena with Brahmos firing, Sweet Sutluj landing, some real up close and personal shots of Rambha and some OSINT riddles

And my Q to the Guru's, ID the jet and missile
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My guess is Vajra and MICA
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Indigenous combat jets and Kaveri turbofan engine: All About IAF's new aerospace plan
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/i ... 2023-05-16
16 May 2023
As per reliable sources :roll:, India’s future twin-engine Medium Class Omni-Role Combat Aircraft (ORCA) fighter is also in the works. Some of the planned features for this platform are the canards, diverterless supersonic inlet, conformal wing root tanks/containers, a larger number of hard points, and an option for folding wingtips. It will weigh around 23 tonnes. An ambitious timeline of maiden flight in 2026 and production start in 2030 are being spoken of.
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Is IAF’s entire MiG-21 fleet facing ‘May Day’ call?
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/comme ... all-508139
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First, there grew a powerful ‘import lobby’ of various foreign fighter manufacturers of the West. The second was the phenomenal growth of middlemen. The third was a section of the bureaucracy being complacent, with little or no interest in technical matters pertaining to sophisticated aviation; and, finally, one could see an intermittent cold war between the uniformed brass and their civilian counterparts on ‘delays’ and ‘crass procrastination’ at the decision-making level.
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Raksha Mantri's visit to Nigeria was done on a chartered VistaJet flight. Don't feel comfortable about this. All senior cabinet ministers should be flying in IAF jets to overseas locations.

@india_nigeria on Twitter

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IAF chief calls for building BrahMos missile variant for smaller warplanes
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 19194.html
01 June 2023

https://twitter.com/rahulsinghx/status/ ... 54272?s=20 ---> IAF Chief, Air Chief Marshal VR Chaudhari has called for the development of a smaller version of the BrahMos missile for fighter jets such as the MiG-29, Mirage 2000 and the LCA, stressing that the weapon can be used very effectively for land attack.

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Multiple Origin Fleets – Complexities for IAF – Time to Rationalise
https://airpowerasia.com/2023/06/06/mul ... tionalise/
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Does IAF want that? It wants more variety with its new/old demand, some 112 imported maal. It does not wish for LCA Mk1A to replace all light fighters, which it had in huge numbers at one point in time recently. Even when it comes, all the best bells and whistles are available worldwide. This a move that could save a lot of money and will be very effective against pakis, who have few options to counter even that fighter and has no financial strength to buy any good one anytime soon. It does not want to give any large orders so that manufacture capacity can be created to meet all our needs.
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Yagnasri wrote:Does IAF want that? It wants more variety with its new/old demand, some 112 imported maal. It does not wish for LCA Mk1A to replace all light fighters, which it had in huge numbers at one point in time recently. Even when it comes, all the best bells and whistles are available worldwide. This a move that could save a lot of money and will be very effective against pakis, who have few options to counter even that fighter and has no financial strength to buy any good one anytime soon. It does not want to give any large orders so that manufacture capacity can be created to meet all our needs.
Yagnasri garu,

the pukis get amriki and cheeni weapons at a "political" price and this option is/has being/been denied to India by the west and yet the west wants India to pay heavily, essentially to further their ("the wests'") own interests in the region and act as a buttress against the cheeni

Any confrontation with the cheeni will have a component that impacts our borders and landmass, whereas, for the amrikis and the aus, it is far from their borders and consequently a lot of the collateral implications are minimized. As for the japs, we may have to wait and see how they might be impacted, but certainly it will be India that will take point and deal directly with confrontational cheeni troops on the ground

The amerikis already have a base in the philippines, so the philippines is, in a sense, already committed to the amrikis
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Apart from range, does LCA Mk1A suffers any major problem in taking on any other 4th Gen fighter like F 16 or anything from China? I admit I am a mango man here. But it will have all the best we are making and good BVR missiles like Astra M1 and M2. It will have the best of the avionics we are now making. So it should be able to deal effectively with the PFA with little difficulty. There will be engines, avionics and other upgrades that can be made very quickly as it is owned by us to make it an effective system in future. So logically, it can be procured in large numbers without any second thought.

What am I missing?
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Possibily the IAF is thinking about total domination of the Tibetan theatre of operations.

In that, the range of LCA will be insufficient to operate over all of Tibetan theatre. Having said that:

1) The MKI ideally should have been sufficient for the purpose. But it seems that it has issues operating over Tibet with payload and range.

2) Or it's readiness rates are not sufficient for our purpose.

3) Or it's readiness rates cannot be raised with reasonable expense.

All the above could be reasons why the IAF is acting the way it is.

Alternatively;

They could just be acting as a bunch of spoilt children. That we want imported jets and nothing else will do.
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brfites have spent ages discussing and boiling the ocean over what might be wrong with indigenous systems. Range, weight, scale etc etc. However the simplest reason that makes sense of whats wrong with mk1a is that import lobby invents these stupid reasons and plants them in media, policy circles and public to justify the need to import and not give orders to indigenous systems.

nothing is wrong with mk1a except mod babus and their larger import circle wont make commissions.
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Pratyush wrote:
Alternatively;

They could just be acting as a bunch of spoilt children. That we want imported jets and nothing else will do.
Bingo!
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Yagnasri wrote:Apart from range, does LCA Mk1A suffers any major problem in taking on any other 4th Gen fighter like F 16 or anything from China? I admit I am a mango man here. But it will have all the best we are making and good BVR missiles like Astra M1 and M2. It will have the best of the avionics we are now making. So it should be able to deal effectively with the PFA with little difficulty. There will be engines, avionics and other upgrades that can be made very quickly as it is owned by us to make it an effective system in future. So logically, it can be procured in large numbers without any second thought.

What am I missing?
Please see this post ---> viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7879&start=440#p2591419

I say this without hyperbole, jingoism or hyper-patriotism....the Tejas Mk1A is sufficient to handle anything the PAF throws at us.

The Mk1A is just one piece of an intricate puzzle that will form the future force structure of the IAF. It is not like the Mk1A will be going in solo for any mission, neither will any other fighter. There are other assets (other fighters, AWACS, IFR aircraft, SAM systems, etc) that are put into play, for every particular mission i.e. offensive or defensive. Take a look at the Balakot air strike - Jaguars played the role of decoy, Su-30MKIs along with Netra provided air cover, while the Mirage 2000s did the actual bomb run. All the pieces in the puzzle have to be on their "A" game. Take a look the next day, post Balakot. The Bison was not the ideal choice, but was still employed. A weak link could cause failure or compromise the mission.

Against, the PLAAF...again the Mk1A can be employed judiciously. A seasoned mission planner will understand the strengths and limits of the platforms available to him/her and will make the required tactical judgments of what platforms to employ and where. The Mk1A can definitely be used against the PLAAF. Here is a good example of mission planning. Take special note of the highlighted part in red. See where on the totem pole (in technical ability) the Bison is and where the Mk1A will be.

‘Rafales will provide India major advantage in Tibet in case of aerial combat’: Ex-IAF Chief Dhanoa
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02 Aug 2020
In an interview to PTI, Dhanoa said the Rafale, with its fantastic electronic warfare suite and maneuverability, will be able use mountainous terrain in Tibet to its advantage and blind the enemy before India’s strike aircraft penetrate hostile airspace to carry out their missions.

“Rafale has got a fantastic Electronic Warfare (EW) suite (SPECTRA), fantastic weapons and therefore are capable of protecting themselves electronically besides being able to use the terrain to their advantage,” Dhanoa said. “So they (Rafales) can play an important role in doing DEAD (Destruction of Enemy Air Defence) on the Surface-to-Air Missiles that the Chinese have put on Tibet.

Once you take out those surface to air missiles, then other aircraft like Su-30, Jaguars, even Mig 21s can go out and drop the bombs on the Chinese forces. The strike aircraft carrying bombs can put tonnes and tonnes of bombs on the enemy troops, freely carrying out their mission. But if you do not do DEAD then you will suffer a lot of casualties,” he said. The leading air forces globally carry out Suppression of Enemy Air Defence (SEAD) or DEAD using their top of the line aircraft or weapons before launching any major operation in hostile territories.
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I am not sure why the range of Mk1 or Mk1A is an issue while it is not an issue with any other fighter that we will be against in our neighborhood? If you go by the Wikipedia, the combat range of Mk1 is 500 kms and it is 546 kms for F-16. So if you were to do an apple to apple comparison, with no drop tanks, the F-16 may stay few minutes longer in the air than a Tejas Mk1/1A. So it comes down to the ability to identify, track, fire missiles and avoid being fired at or evade being hit. As long as our Radar is up to scratch, our missiles are more capable, travel longer, Mk1 or Mk1A will be able to perform the duty of a point defense fighter very well in both the Pakistan or China theaters. The issue of range will only come when we try to use it as a bomb truck in a Air to Ground role. Even that can be performed as long as the whole package has other elements that takes care of SEAD / DEAD & Air superiority. IMHO Tejas Mk1 / 1A, will be just used for Point defense, while Tejas Mk2, when it arrives will do the bomb truck (replacement for Mirages & Jaguars) role with SAAW and other smart munitions along with some amount of SEAD / DEAD with our Rudram series of ARM missiles.
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NaPakis love to tom tom the fact that the PL-15* BVRAAM (200 km) outranges the Meteor (150+ km), so J-10CE will triumph over Rafale. This kind of flawed thinking is a result of childhood malnutrition, which stunts brain development (a documented fact in TSP) and also having unnatural relations with four legged creatures of the bovine disposition (another documented occurrence in TSP). BVR air combat is a science unto itself, that requires mastery over various scenarios. Take a look at the PAF's BVR performance at Balakot. The hard earned reputation that Raytheon painstakingly built over decades with the AMRAAM, the Pakistan Air Force ruined in a matter of a few minutes (literally!).

* P.S. The PAF actually has the PL-15E with a range of 145 km, but let them live in their fantasy.

Read the tweet below from Group Captain HV Thakur (retd) Sir...

https://twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/12356 ... 49856?s=20 ---> Abstract Ex - think about it. police gun range = 100 meters, but thief's gun range = 120 meters. Will this be reason enough for the thief to be allowed to escape? No. There's all kinds of tactics. For policing, as also, for air combat.

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Looking at numbers side by side is a meaningless exercise. The variables at play are numerous. Just because the range numbers of the F-16 and Tejas Mk1A might be close to parity, it means nothing. What the nature of the mission is, the payload carried, the range required are just a few of the many factors that pilots have to consider in mission planning and execution. For every mission, there is a particular set of platforms that are put into use.

Dassault loves to use the marketing term *OMNIROLE*, but the Rafale was designed from the ground up in that very manner. The French do not have the luxury of limitless defence budgets, so one aircraft had to fit all the roles envisaged for their air force and their navy. The Tejas Mk1 was designed as a MiG-21 replacement, so range limitations were always going to exist vis-à-vis the Su-30MKI, the Rafale, etc. The Tejas Mk2 will address a number of those issues.

Apart from range, the Tejas Mk1A can stand toe to toe with any modern 4th+ generation combat aircraft out there.
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With Uttam AESA, Astra, ASPJ, RWR, SDR, ASRAAM cued by HMDS, small RCS & other cutting edge avionics, the Tejas-MK1a is a beast. It will look first, shoot first and shoot farthest.

Next to Rafale, it will be the most sophisticated aircraft in the IAF inventory. The 3rd most sophisticated is the Tejas-Mk1 (which will be retrofitted with many of the Mk1a tech)
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https://twitter.com/ilyushin_76md/statu ... 65217?s=20 ---> ASRAAM on HAL Jaguar Over Wing Pylon.

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‘India’s Air Defence Systems Need Urgent Review and Revamp’
https://bharatshakti.in/indias-air-defe ... nd-revamp/
20 June 2023
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Rakesh wrote:‘India’s Air Defence Systems Need Urgent Review and Revamp’
https://bharatshakti.in/indias-air-defe ... nd-revamp/
20 June 2023
Where exactly is anyone in the event suggesting the alarm and emergency created by the title. Is this author a friend of the other unmentionable Sengupta?
India has been revamping it's ADS over the past decade and is now pretty well on the way to something truly layered and robust.
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Not to mention a boatload of Pechoras. And I'm not even including the BMD setup.
That's a pretty nice setup..
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Cain Marko wrote:
Rakesh wrote:‘India’s Air Defence Systems Need Urgent Review and Revamp’
https://bharatshakti.in/indias-air-defe ... nd-revamp/
20 June 2023
Where exactly is anyone in the event suggesting the alarm and emergency created by the title. Is this author a friend of the other unmentionable Sengupta?
India has been revamping it's ADS over the past decade and is now pretty well on the way to something truly layered and robust.
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Not to mention a boatload of Pechoras. And I'm not even including the BMD setup.
That's a pretty nice setup..
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India plans to host mega air drills Tarang Shakti, 12 air forces may attend.

The Indian Air Force is preparing to host a mega exercise later this year that is expected to bring together 12 air forces, with the focus being on improving interoperability, imbibing best practices from one another and boosting military cooperation among the participating countries, officials aware of the matter said on Wednesday.

The exercise, named Tarang Shakti, will be the biggest multi-nation air exercise to be conducted in the country and will involve fighter jets, military transport aircraft, mid-air refuellers and airborne warning and control system (AWACS) aircraft, HT has learnt.

Tarang Shakti is in the planning stage and is likely to be conducted in October-November, said one of the officials cited above, asking not to be named. Six air forces will participate in the exercise, while the rest will attend the aerial drills as observers, said a second official, who also asked not to be named. The air forces of the US, the UK, France and Australia are among those likely to take part in the exercise.

The IAF has emerged as a partner of choice for joint exercises for several air forces. This year, the IAF has participated in joint drills in France, Greece, Japan and the UK so far.

To be sure, while Tarang Shakti will be the biggest multilateral exercise to be conducted in India, the IAF has taken part in several such drills on foreign soil.

The IAF’s French-origin Rafale fighter jets debuted in an overseas exercise in April. Exercise Orion was held at the Mont-de-Marsan airbase in France from April 17 to May 5, and involved the air forces of the host nation, the US, the UK, Germany, Greece, Italy, Netherlands, and Spain. Four Indian Rafales, two C-17 heavy lifters, two ll-78 refuellers and 165 air warriors took part in the exercise.

In April-May, the IAF took part in the INIOCHOS exercise hosted by the Hellenic Air Force at the Andravida air base in Greece. The IAF took part in the exercise with four Su-30 MKI fighters and two C-17 heavy-lifters.

Two US B-1 supersonic heavy bombers also took part in Exercise Cope India 2023 for the first time.

The bilateral exercise involved four US F-15E Strike Eagle fighter jets, two C-130J special operations aircraft, and a C-17 heavy-lifter. The IAF aircraft included Su-30s, Rafales, Jaguars, Tejas light combat aircraft, C-17s and C-130Js.
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IAF’s global air reach: Why it is a prerequisite for India's great power ambitions
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By the time we get 114, LCA MkII will be coming online. But it won’t happen because there is no money to be made from it under the table. Sick mentality by IAF and goi.
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"High-Tech IAF Aircraft Are All Weather 24x7 Platforms, Air-To-Air Refuelling Has Increased Reach"
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After 2 Aborts, Here’s How Airbus Feels About India’s Tanker Needs
https://www.livefistdefence.com/after-2 ... ker-needs/
19 July 2023
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"High-Tech IAF Aircraft Are All Weather 24x7 Platforms, Air-To-Air Refuelling Has Increased Reach"

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Rakesh wrote: 19 Jul 2023 17:53 After 2 Aborts, Here’s How Airbus Feels About India’s Tanker Needs
https://www.livefistdefence.com/after-2 ... ker-needs/
19 July 2023
Why must the contract be for new build machines?

Pick up used civil airframe and convert those to tankers. In second hand military role, the use will not be so severe as civil operators.

Such air frames can be had at a fraction of the cost of a new build aircraft. Let the OEM do the conversion to military and provide PBL. They will be happy to provide services to IAF. The IAF can procure many more air frames this way, then they will be able to when buying new build aircraft.
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