Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

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Small missile FACs are essentially a A2/AD type platform. They worked for us in an unexpected offensive role '71 due to relative proximity of the enemy. Even so the boats had to be towed to the target area. Aside from a small complement of such boats, we do not really have a need for such class of ship.

We can also procure Brahmos and SMART based mobile missile batteries to complement missile corvettes in this role.

IMHO the larger Project-25/25A Khukri and Kora classes are a better fit - longer legs and longer staying power.

FWIW an upgrade for Veer class with Brahmos was suggested;
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If the objective is to have a Brahmos shooter. Then one of the approaches could be to build an arsenal ship. On the hull type based on the civilian off shore support ship.

https://www.google.com/search?q=offshor ... 1&dpr=2.81

The aft end could be loaded 30 cell VLS. The weapons will not be cheap. But the ship itself will be nearly expendeble. With a small crew and single use application. Operating along with high end assets during times of crisis. Acting as a super magazine to them.

Rest of the times docked and kept ready to sail.
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What mission will such a ship achieve? Hypothetically travel out say 500km to sea and then what? Effectively a missile armed barge which cannot maneuver to an area or chase/persecute an enemy ship. What will you do with 30 Brahmos?

Our ASuW is on a solid path. 8 cell Brahmos VLS is more than enough on a ship. What we need are more hulls.
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Aditya G wrote:What mission will such a ship achieve? Hypothetically travel out say 500km to sea and then what? Effectively a missile armed barge which cannot maneuver to an area or chase/persecute an enemy ship. What will you do with 30 Brahmos?

Our ASuW is on a solid path. 8 cell Brahmos VLS is more than enough on a ship. What we need are more hulls.
As a SSM shooter, Operation Trident Redux.
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I am not just thinking in terms of Brahmos for such a vessel. She will have universal VLS capable of shooting Shourya, Nirbhay.

I am also looking at her as a SAM shooter for MFSTAR equipped ships.

Deploy her of the threat axis 200 kms from the sensor platform. The enemy goes after the sensor. Gets nicely ambushed by the shooter.
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Aditya G wrote:What mission will such a ship achieve? Hypothetically travel out say 500km to sea and then what? Effectively a missile armed barge which cannot maneuver to an area or chase/persecute an enemy ship. What will you do with 30 Brahmos?

Our ASuW is on a solid path. 8 cell Brahmos VLS is more than enough on a ship. What we need are more hulls.
+1 I agree, people forget what made Trident Python so dangerous was that our missile boats had to be towed till thier launching points, with improvements in enemy capabilities over the last 50 years I don't we can have such towed convoys.

So its better our ships have decent range to carry out useful missions.

When the Arabs tried copying our missions with Petya class boats in 1973 they failed cause the Israelis were aware and because these boats did not have great range they were able to locate and take them out easily with aircraft
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Problem is not lack of platforms but it is lack of $$ to buy more Brahmos missiles we haven’t yet upgraded older ships with Brahmos.

Also there AshM modules with a FCR that can be hidden in containers which I believe Chinese have supposedly started installing in some shipping vessels (Russians have been offering that for export so may be based on that).
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We need a cheaper subsonic anti-ship & anti-land weapon. Probably a variant of Nirbhay with low-RCS frame. Brahmos should be reserved only for ship.

Way to expensive against a land target.

Our Achilles heel with all the long range weapons, have been the engine. We need to get the Manik engine working asap.
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Pratyush wrote:The aft end could be loaded 30 cell VLS. The weapons will not be cheap. But the ship itself will be nearly expendeble. With a small crew and single use application. Operating along with high end assets during times of crisis. Acting as a super magazine to them.
There is no such thing as an expendable crewed surface combatant especially one at this size. You can't win with a strategy of attrition using this type of platform a crew and the need for them to coordinate with another vessel for protection or offensive coordination. You arm a non-combatant (civilian or otherwise) vessel with offensive capability you just up the price the enemy will put on it from a targeting perspective and if it can't win that attrition fight then you are essentially putting out suicide platforms which is not the best way to solve any problem. A pure heavily offense focused VLS truck has to go unmanned (for it to work) which will make it a lot smaller, cheaper and easy to develop other strategies around (from sensor, to ISR to decoys etc). But for that autonomy needs to develop further so that you can have completely un-crewed vessels operating alongside crewed vessels and in the global commons, and also the ability to operate the entire kill chain and CS autonomously or remotely. These are not easy tasks to solve and I suspect it will take a decade or two to fully flesh out the tech. But we're headed there. US, China, and Europe seem to be investing heavily in this area.

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Brar, what you are saying make some sense. However, I had thought about the possibility of the platform being totally unmanned. But at a fundamental level I am not comfortable with the idea of unmanned operation of armed platform.

Which is why I suggested that the crew should be minimum and the platform could be treated as nearly expendeble.

Note I am saying nearly expendeble and not expendeble. The context is same as a manned high end surface combatants.

The objective is to give manned ships larger off board magazines. Rather than building one ship with say 200 cell VLS. Giving the enemy a single target to kill. Distribute firepower to multiple smaller ships with small crews.

On a 1:1 or 1:2 basis. Even if you end losing one destroyer in the surface action group. The other ships can still function as C2 and fire control nodes for these ships.

The purpose is build ships that are cheaper than a large corvette to build and man. But have the ability to deploy more firepower then one.
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https://twitter.com/livefist/status/148 ... _sgm2DRQCA ---> JUST IN: India’s fifth Scorpène submarine Vagir departs Mumbai on first sea sortie. Enters Indian Navy service later this year.

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https://twitter.com/ReviewVayu/status/1 ... ndHEQ8SfZA ---> MoD & Indian Navy: India is on a progressive path to achieve 100% indigenisation of Naval Ammunition. 90% of Naval Ammo has been indigenised; balance, ie, niche tech is being progressed via DPSUs/Pvt co's. Missiles, torpedoes, etc, is being taken up through DRDO/Indian Industry.

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https://twitter.com/indiannavy/status/1 ... ndHEQ8SfZA ---> Another milestone for Aatmanirbhar Defence. The Indian Navy's first contract under Make-II category, for six 'Deep Sea Side Scan Sonar Towing Winches', was handed over by Vice Admiral SN Ghormade, Vice Chief of Naval Staff to Mr Abhijit Majage, CEO M/s Finite 4 Engineering Consultancy Services.

https://twitter.com/indiannavy/status/1 ... ndHEQ8SfZA ---> Two MSMEs, M/s Arieckal Industries Panvel and M/s Pratishna Engineers, Mumbai awarded 'Certificates of Conformance' for successful development & trials of prototypes.

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Rakesh wrote: https://twitter.com/livefist/status/148 ... _sgm2DRQCA ---> JUST IN: India’s fifth Scorpène submarine Vagir departs Mumbai on first sea sortie. Enters Indian Navy service later this year.
Now that we're finally seeing one of these roll of the line every year the contract is up and the line is about to get shut down .
We suffer all the growing pains and initial delays of TOT/indigenous production but never commit enough to truly enjoy the benefits of mastering it by getting it in significant enough quantity .

Surely if 6 of them are seen fit to serve Indian Navy over the next few decades then a follow up order of 3 more would be a great addition to our capacity .. If for nothing else but to keep the production line open and make up the sub defecit we are going through . But it seems to have never been seriously considered

Why turn all attention to the still up in air P-75I (or Alpha ? ) when it could take another 3-4 years to finalize a deal and be 2030 before any subs start getting launched .

China may not build vessels that match us in quality but they at least understand economies of scale very well , Which is why they always upgrade in increments and ensure all tech gets enough of an exposure in active service to mature before jumping on to to the next big thing , Which is why they're able to pump out the equivalent of our Western Fleet in basically 1 yr .

All one can hope is the recent combined push for Aatmarnirbharta by the PM/MOD/CDS continues and the mistakes of the past are not repeated
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Wonder why a follow on of another 6 scorpenes cannot happen..relatively easy way to shore up numbers..
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kit wrote:Wonder why a follow on of another 6 scorpenes cannot happen..relatively easy way to shore up numbers..
The issue is supply chain. The yard takes years. But the long lead items are a seperate issue.

The best time to place the follow up order for additional 6 boats was sometime before 2016 or 2017
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Indian Navy Hunts For Submarine Rescue Simulators To Train Its Sailors For Deep-Submergence Rescue Missions
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Rakesh wrote:John, do you have any info that you can add on this?

https://twitter.com/Aryan_warlord/statu ... 88480?s=20 ---> Upgraded Delhi Class DDG of Indian Navy with 8 inclined Brahmos in box launchers & new 76mm SRGM.
Any details on the Delhi class upgrade folks?

Did the SA-N-7 get replaced by SA-N-12, Half Plate by Top Plate, etc.
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titash wrote:
Rakesh wrote:John, do you have any info that you can add on this?

https://twitter.com/Aryan_warlord/statu ... 88480?s=20 ---> Upgraded Delhi Class DDG of Indian Navy with 8 inclined Brahmos in box launchers & new 76mm SRGM.
Any details on the Delhi class upgrade folks?

Did the SA-N-7 get replaced by SA-N-12, Half Plate by Top Plate, etc.
I posted earlier on Delhi upgrade. Anyway Sa-n-7/12 are NATO designations no real clarification on what they correspond with Russian side.

Correct terminology is Delhi previously had Shtil not Shtil-1 found in Talwar and P-17. I would guess they been updated to that but you cannot tell them part visually without seeing the missile.

Also cannot make out if Fregat-ME2M has been fitted in need better pics for it. But Scantar radar has been fitted which we can make out. Image could be misleading but I don’t see Barak-1 looks like launcher is covered up, may be waiting installation of Vl-SRSAM.
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How does the Delhi class reload the Brahmos after expending all 8 ? Do they carry "refills" or reloaded at sea ?
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No reloads I think. It is not a small or light missile and you can not store it and then load it like that.
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kit wrote:Wonder why a follow on of another 6 scorpenes cannot happen..relatively easy way to shore up numbers..
Apart from the issues like delays, document leaks etc the next six scorpenes will only be powered by Lead acid batteries.
World is moving towards Li-ion beginning with Soryu class. So P75-I is expected to bring in that Li-ion tech. Contenders with firm plans appears to be South korea and Navantia, Spain.
Mazagon docks had also floated an EOI for Li-ion tech for upgrading Kilo submarines in 2020.

https://mazagondock.in/images/pdf/EOI_d ... 111120.pdf
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Configuration of Cells inside Modules
The configuration of the Li ion cells inside a LIB is to be chosen such that it meets the
overall voltage level requirements of the batter group (240V-280V) and the existing PGD
network of the EKM class of submarine.
It would be interesting to see the endurance levels between Kilos and Scorpenes, once Kilos are upgraded to Li-ion.
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How come no indian company developed li-ion tech till date? Tatas have it for their car right - nexon EV? cant they do it for the subs?
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https://twitter.com/TheLegateIN/status/ ... COABWA6xIg ---> Indian Navy inaugurates state of the art Next Generation Naval Communications Network, which will give the Indian Navy digital defence supremacy at par with the best naval forces globally. It has a converged MPLS infrastructure on a two-layered centrally-managed IP backbone.

https://twitter.com/DarkCruiser12/statu ... COABWA6xIg ---> Possibly developed by Sterlite Industries. It received a Rs 3500 crore order from the Indian Navy to design, build and manage its next generation Internet Protocol - Multi Protocol Label Switching based communications network that will link multiple naval sites.
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Yagnasri wrote:No reloads I think. It is not a small or light missile and you can not store it and then load it like that.

interesting thought.. but really a force multiplier for a blue water navy if possible.. looking at the way chini s are churning out warships

https://www.popularmechanics.com/milita ... os-at-sea/

Hopefully would be possible in future !!

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arvin wrote:
kit wrote:Wonder why a follow on of another 6 scorpenes cannot happen..relatively easy way to shore up numbers..
Apart from the issues like delays, document leaks etc the next six scorpenes will only be powered by Lead acid batteries.
World is moving towards Li-ion beginning with Soryu class.
The configuration of the Li ion cells inside a LIB is to be chosen such that it meets the
overall voltage level requirements of the batter group (240V-280V) and the existing PGD
network of the EKM class of submarine.
It would be interesting to see the endurance levels between Kilos and Scorpenes, once Kilos are upgraded to Li-ion.[/quote]

probably aimed at korean tech.. seeing how coy Japan is with sharing tech with India

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... arine.html

"KSS III Batch II submarine are expected to have a longer hull (bringing displacement approx. from 3000t to 4000t), 10x VLS tubes (up from 6x), a greater level of South Korea systems and Lithium Ion batteries and High-Temperature Superconductor (HTS) motor technology for integrated full electric propulsion system"
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kit wrote:How does the Delhi class reload the Brahmos after expending all 8 ? Do they carry "refills" or reloaded at sea ?
Need a crane/heavy equipment so reloads need to happen from Port.

And loading 4 Ton canister especially in an inclined launcher would be quite a difficult task to attempt.
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V_Raman wrote:How come no indian company developed li-ion tech till date? Tatas have it for their car right - nexon EV? cant they do it for the subs?
Its probably not just making the cells but power management tech as well., lithium batteries ( at least the older ones) are prone to fire
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many companies even make it on indiegogo - like this for example - https://ecoflow.com/products/ecoflow-de ... er-station

could it be that hard for a powerhouse like TATA to do this? maybe buy the tech from such a small company?
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There is a good opportunity for Indian Li ion tech startups .. the potential is just immense..

Hope someone does !!.. a multi billion capital awaits them
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John wrote:I posted earlier on Delhi upgrade. Anyway Sa-n-7/12 are NATO designations no real clarification on what they correspond with Russian side.

Correct terminology is Delhi previously had Shtil not Shtil-1 found in Talwar and P-17. I would guess they been updated to that but you cannot tell them part visually without seeing the missile.

Also cannot make out if Fregat-ME2M has been fitted in need better pics for it. But Scantar radar has been fitted which we can make out. Image could be misleading but I don’t see Barak-1 looks like launcher is covered up, may be waiting installation of Vl-SRSAM.
John, the blast deflectors have been removed it looks like. See these pictures...

https://twitter.com/Mrcool63040811/stat ... U0pl5D1M9Q ---> Delhi Class destroyer after upgrade.

https://twitter.com/Aryan_warlord/statu ... U0pl5D1M9Q ---> The first one is back in operation post upgrade, the second & third vessels are in dry dock being upgraded.

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https://twitter.com/Mrcool63040811/stat ... U0pl5D1M9Q ---> During upgrade.

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Got to say the new Brahmos inclined launchers look nice better than ones in Rajput and looks like no Fregat M2EM. It still retains the old Fregat radar and it’s funny the pic is highlighting shikari which is needed for Oto but missed the scantar right below it which replaced Garpun. And also LW-08 hasn’t been replaced either which is a surprise.
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The first vessel in the Class - INS Delhi - was commissioned way back on 15 November 1997. She has now seen close to 25 years of service. I still remember when I visited her on 14 Aug 2000 in Mumbai, the XO of the ship had told our visiting party ---> "Welcome to INS Delhi. After the tour of this ship, you will see everything the Indian Navy has to offer." She should be on her way out by the end of this decade. Not sure how financially wise it would be to replace a good portion of her sensors at this late in the game.
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Most likely scantar from Delhi will be reused after retirement and will likely be fitted into Shivalik or P-15As during their MLU. Might be the reason why Fregat or Shtil wasn’t replaced probably didn’t make sense financially, I don’t think Delhi will be fitted with VL- SRSAM either.
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John wrote:Most likely scantar from Delhi will be reused after retirement and will likely be fitted into Shivalik or P-15As during their MLU. Might be the reason why Fregat or Shtil wasn’t replaced probably didn’t make sense financially, I don’t think Delhi will be fitted with VL- SRSAM either.
Rakesh wrote:The first vessel in the Class - INS Delhi - was commissioned way back on 15 November 1997. She has now seen close to 25 years of service. I still remember when I visited her on 14 Aug 2000 in Mumbai, the XO of the ship had told our visiting party ---> "Welcome to INS Delhi. After the tour of this ship, you will see everything the Indian Navy has to offer." She should be on her way out by the end of this decade. Not sure how financially wise it would be to replace a good portion of her sensors at this late in the game.
The weapon upgrades consist of:
1) 100 mm AK-100 gun & FCR replaced with BHEL 76 mm gun & Lynx U2 fire control
2) 16 Kh-35 Uran missiles & Garpun Bal radar replaced with 8 BrahMos & Scanter radar
3) the refit pics show covers on the RBU-6000s and Barak EL/M-2221 STGR...not sure if this means they were replaced by L&t IRL and plated over in anticipation of VL-SRSAM respectively

The sensor upgrades should probably include:
1) New EW suite
2) HUMSA-NG/ACTAS

The Fregat/Shtil combo replacement was probably deemed too expensive for the residual life of the ship and perhaps too much electrical/mechanical/cutting & welding involved. Much easier and cheaper to rip and replace the Barak-1 with VL-SRSAM over the next couple of years

This raises an important question though...we have 6+4 Talwars, 3 Delhis, 3 Shivaliks = 16 warships with Fregat/Shtil...these area air defence systems will be unable to deal with saturation cruise missile attacks. That's about 55% of the fridate/destroyer fleet over the next decade
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^ I don’t think VL-SRSAM will be fitted in, Barak-1 was never fitted in Delhi to my knowledge it was always covered.

They will most likely will leave it as such, integrating anything with Fregat would be a challenge (integrating Barak with Fregat was challenge for INS Mysore).
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INS Delhi will serve for next 10-15 years after upgrade. We are using Kashin class upto 40 years lifespan.
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India’s new Maritime Security Coordinator is 22 years too late. But it ticks many boxes.

In what is clearly a step in the right direction, the Narendra Modi government on Wednesday appointed former Indian Navy vice chief Vice Admiral G Ashok Kumar as the country’s first National Maritime Security Coordinator. Vice Admiral Kumar will report to the National Security Advisor Ajit Doval through the National Security Council Secretariat.

The Navy officer, who retired last year, will be responsible for coordinating between all government agencies on maritime security and maritime civil issues, and also providing crucial inputs on the same to the political and security leadership. This move signals the growing importance of the Navy in the overall security and defence matrix, considering how the maritime domain will be a crucial element in any future wars.

The appointment also comes after the Navy got a huge hike in Union Budget allocation after years of neglect. I have been pitching for a renewed focus on the Navy through my column arguing that such an approach is the need of the hour. The sad fact is that while the Chinese Navy was planning ahead, the approach of India, which has a coastline of around 7,500-kilometres, did not match up, above sea or below.

Appointment after 22 years
While this is a welcome move, the appointment was made after a gap of 22 long years since it was first recommended. A Group of Ministers (GoM), set up in 2000, after the Kargil conflict, had first recommended setting up “an apex body for the management of maritime affairs”. It had said that such a body was needed for institutionalised linkages between the Navy, Coast Guard and the concerned Ministries of the Central and the state governments. “The MoD should take necessary action to constitute the apex body,” the GoM had then said.

After the 26/11 attacks, the defence ministry proposed a Maritime Security Advisory Board, which was again left pending. Even in 2014 and 2015, the issue was highlighted first in a report of a Standing Committee on Defence presented in the 15th Lok Sabha and then in another report by the Public Accounts Committee (PAC), which also probed the question of inter-agency communications again in 2020.

It is only on Wednesday when the proposal that was recommended 22 years ago saw the light of the day.

Part of larger defence and security reforms
Government sources said that the appointment of a Maritime Security Advisor is part of the higher military and security architecture reforms that are being carried out, including the earlier creation of the post of the Chief of Defence Staff.

Sources say that in the new global security architecture, the Navy plays a critical role as the maritime domain is the new focus. There is no denying that the world is witnessing a new surge in countries strengthening their maritime sector, thanks, mainly, to an aggressive China, which has the fastest-growing Navy in the world.

Maritime interests of India
For India, the blue waters are indeed critical. According to the Ministry of Shipping, around 95 per cent of India’s trading by volume and 70 per cent by value is done through maritime transport. Actually, India’s maritime history dates back to 3000 BC when the inhabitants of the Indus Valley Civilisation had a maritime trade link with Mesopotamia. While India’s maritime prowess has been a key part of its history, it slowly receded to the background.

Even on the military front, the Indian Navy had come on record to complain about the lack of budgetary allocations to it, which was affecting their modernisation even as China raced ahead. But government sources say efforts are now on to ensure the Navy gets the right focus. They point out that the capital budget of the Indian Navy has been enhanced by a whopping 44.53 per cent, with a total allocation of Rs 46,323 crore in FY 2022-23.

Incidentally, the Navy had this year outspent Rs 12,767.99 crore, more than what it was allocated in 2021-22 – Rs 33,253 crore. The majority of this expenditure was for committed liabilities, that is, payments that need to be done in connection with contracts signed in the past.

This high spending by the Navy, given its low overall budgetary allocation, comes even as it is yet to roll out critical, multi-billion dollar projects for building new conventional and nuclear submarines, over 200 of two variants of helicopters for its fleet, while also acquiring new vessels, including minesweepers, landing platform docks and possibly a third aircraft carrier.

Naval sources are happy with the creation of the National Maritime Security Coordinator and hope that this will bring a renewed focus on India’s maritime needs and the importance of having a strong blue-water force, not just for securing India’s commercial interest but also to further the country’s defence, security and diplomatic needs.
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John wrote:^ I don’t think VL-SRSAM will be fitted in, Barak-1 was never fitted in Delhi to my knowledge it was always covered.

They will most likely will leave it as such, integrating anything with Fregat would be a challenge (integrating Barak with Fregat was challenge for INS Mysore).
INS Delhi and INS Mysore has Barak -1 launchers. Quite a few pics on the Internet

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=ht ... egUIARDOAQ

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... ass%29.jpg

https://www.defencetalk.com/military/ph ... .7483/full

This pic was on BR too but i was not able to locate it
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^ All those are photos of Mysore not Delhi. Delhi’s launcher was covered for a while.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... _Delhi.jpg

It might have been fitted since 2014 but no clear image of it. You can vaguely make out the Barak-1 launcher in this pic.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianDefense/ ... ame=iossmf
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