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Defence Acquisition Council approves proposals worth Rs 70,500 crore for the Armed Forces & Indian Coast Guard under Buy (Indian-IDDM) category
Indian Navy proposals constitute more than Rs 56,000 crore, which largely includes indigenous BrahMos missiles, Shakti Electronic Warfare (EW) systems, Utility Helicopters-Maritime etc.

While this additional procurement of BrahMos missile system will enhance the maritime strike capabilities & Anti-Surface Warfare Operation, the addition of Utility Helicopters will multiply the operational readiness of the Indian Navy in the domain of Search & Rescue operations, Casualty Evacuation, Humanitarian Assistance Disaster Relief (HADR) etc. Similarly, Shakti EW systems will equip and modernise the frontline Naval ships to counter any Naval Operations by the adversaries.

Accordance of AoN for Medium Speed Marine Diesel Engine under Make-I category is a significant step as, for the first time, India is venturing into the development & manufacturing of such engines indigenously to achieve self-reliance & leverage the capabilities of the Industries towards the goal of ‘Aatmanirbhar Bharat’.
Great job by HAL and Navy for the huge order for ALH.
Can't think of a better successor to the trusty old Chetak.
Also lays to rest the blade folding question
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Aditya_V wrote:What is the Utility helicopters for the Indian Navy- IMRH?
Aditya, the deal is for 60 ALH Navy Mark-3
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Bail plea of eight Indian naval veterans rejected for 8th time in Doha


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Eight retired Indian Navy officers who have been in detention without charges in Qatar since August 2022 have been denied bail for the eighth time, according to reports.

The ex-Navy men, who were working for the private company Dahra Global Technologies and Consultancy Services in Qatar, were training the Qatari Navy. But it is unclear why they were arrested by the State Security Bureau (SSB), the intelligence agency of Qatar.

On March 15, 2023, their bail plea was rejected for the eighth time, and their detention has been extended for another 30 days, according to the New Indian Express. Meetu Bhargava, whose brother is one of the detained former naval officers, told the newspaper, “Families can appeal against this on Sunday (March 19th) but our hopes have crashed.”
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sohamn wrote: I don't know if you understand the difference in snooping between US and China. In US, all the hardware manufacturers and phone designers like Apple are completely private and global enterprises. In fact Apple is so serious about security and encryption that there is numerous instances where they have declined to help crack a code even when explicitly requested by FBI in murder investigations. Furthermore, most of the tech companies are practically run by Desi either H1B, OCI, GC etc. I have never heard a single case where the malware / trojan was injected in the chipset or within OS code. So US does snooping by exploiting known and unknown vulnerabilities in OS, or Chips or libraries etc, or they eavesdrop in the meetme points a.k.a Layer 1 of the network. This is why India is comfortable in buying presidential jet from Boeing or letting Modi use a Apple or Pixel smartphone. The way US will weaponize businesses is by banning the business to operate in that country or deny critical services in the enemy country.

However, in China every chip and phone manufacturer by law is required to cooperate and work with the CCP. Furthermore, many of such companies are either state owned or the CCP state has a high level of share ownership e.g. Bytedance. It is highly likely CCP is using these companies to gather and track every movement in a covert manner, like using a CnC mothership using otherwise standard harmless protocols like DNS or phones making http connections for firmware updates, websocket connects or even hiding data in things like media files to exfill critical data. Some of them are very hard to track. Using Chinese phones in our defence establishment is a real threat and I am shocked to see that Government is still allowing it. By law - no central govt employee / armed forces should be allowed to own a phone that is not made in India.

Completely reminds me of the episode where a foreign entity bought some cryptomachine that was compromised by CIA and that entity was us.

https://www.thequint.com/news/india/for ... ngton-post

Do not fall for such BS narrative put out by the Americans. Those machines as well as the accompanied narratives are designed to lure the unsuspecting fool into using those wares giving CIA & NSA a golden opportunity to snoop on India's secrets.
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hgupta wrote:
sohamn wrote: I don't know if you understand the difference in snooping between US and China. In US, all the hardware manufacturers and phone designers like Apple are completely private and global enterprises. In fact Apple is so serious about security and encryption that there is numerous instances where they have declined to help crack a code even when explicitly requested by FBI in murder investigations. Furthermore, most of the tech companies are practically run by Desi either H1B, OCI, GC etc. I have never heard a single case where the malware / trojan was injected in the chipset or within OS code. So US does snooping by exploiting known and unknown vulnerabilities in OS, or Chips or libraries etc, or they eavesdrop in the meetme points a.k.a Layer 1 of the network. This is why India is comfortable in buying presidential jet from Boeing or letting Modi use a Apple or Pixel smartphone. The way US will weaponize businesses is by banning the business to operate in that country or deny critical services in the enemy country.

However, in China every chip and phone manufacturer by law is required to cooperate and work with the CCP. Furthermore, many of such companies are either state owned or the CCP state has a high level of share ownership e.g. Bytedance. It is highly likely CCP is using these companies to gather and track every movement in a covert manner, like using a CnC mothership using otherwise standard harmless protocols like DNS or phones making http connections for firmware updates, websocket connects or even hiding data in things like media files to exfill critical data. Some of them are very hard to track. Using Chinese phones in our defence establishment is a real threat and I am shocked to see that Government is still allowing it. By law - no central govt employee / armed forces should be allowed to own a phone that is not made in India.

Completely reminds me of the episode where a foreign entity bought some cryptomachine that was compromised by CIA and that entity was us.

https://www.thequint.com/news/india/for ... ngton-post

Do not fall for such BS narrative put out by the Americans. Those machines as well as the accompanied narratives are designed to lure the unsuspecting fool into using those wares giving CIA & NSA a golden opportunity to snoop on India's secrets.
Yes, you are right and that is why Modi uses iPhone, and all defence establishment uses RedHat linux or Windows, and they use HP servers for storing Aadhar data and foreign ministry develops presentations using MS Office. And NSA's main goal is to convince Apple, Microsoft, Google, HP, Oracle etc to compromise their chips or OS Code to get data from India. And all those Indian dudes and dudettes sitting in those companies, knowingly works with NSA and are all compromised and never bothered to leak this ever.
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sohamn wrote:
hgupta wrote:

Completely reminds me of the episode where a foreign entity bought some cryptomachine that was compromised by CIA and that entity was us.

https://www.thequint.com/news/india/for ... ngton-post

Do not fall for such BS narrative put out by the Americans. Those machines as well as the accompanied narratives are designed to lure the unsuspecting fool into using those wares giving CIA & NSA a golden opportunity to snoop on India's secrets.
Yes, you are right and that is why Modi uses iPhone, and all defence establishment uses RedHat linux or Windows, and they use HP servers for storing Aadhar data and foreign ministry develops presentations using MS Office. And NSA's main goal is to convince Apple, Microsoft, Google, HP, Oracle etc to compromise their chips or OS Code to get data from India. And all those Indian dudes and dudettes sitting in those companies, knowingly works with NSA and are all compromised and never bothered to leak this ever.
Well an American, Edward Snow, did leak about the extent of CIA/NSA's snooping prowess and the world was shocked by the extent of it.

As for those mobile devices, I don't like it anymore than you do but it goes to show that certain protocols must be followed when discussing national security matters. Those phones are considered "unsecured lines" and when discussing of great national security import, you start using secured lines.
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MeshaVishwas wrote:Aditya, the deal is for 60 ALH Navy Mark-3
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This I presume, is an AoN for NUH - though the PIB release does not use that name
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Amazing news. A long awaited requirement, finally comes true.

Keel laying of two multi-purpose vessel project on 20 March 2023 at M/S L&T Shipyard, Kattupalli
https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1908845
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https://twitter.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1 ... 22690?s=20 ---> L&T Multi-Purpose Vessels (MPV), worth every rupee imho. Ability to operate un-crewed vessels easily translates to mine countermeasure capability, this is the future of MCM. Wondering if it can handle HEAUV as well. More MPVs were approved in December 2022.

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https://twitter.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1 ... 31521?s=20 ---> L&T Multi-Purpose Vessel. Two were ordered in March 2022 for ₹887 crore. Looks great for that price.

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https://twitter.com/indiannavy/status/1 ... 09056?s=20 ---> Keel laying of the two Multi Purpose Vessels (MPV) - Samarthak & Utkarsh held at L&T Shipyard, Kattupalli. Vice Admiral Sandeep Naithani, Chief of Material, presided over the ceremony.

https://twitter.com/indiannavy/status/1 ... 14658?s=20 ---> The MPVs with multirole support capabilities, will be equipped with indigenously developed machinery, auxiliary eqpt & system & are another significant milestone in the Indian Navy’s pursuit towards indigenous shipbuilding, in consonance with the GoI's Aatmanirbhar Bharat vision.

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Size-wise, this seems roughly that of Kamorta. Doesn't have air-defence.

Since it has torpedoes/ASW rockets, I am assuming it will have a complement of sonars, though it doesn't say so in the spec sheet.

Wonder what radar is used?
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Prem Kumar wrote:Size-wise, this seems roughly that of Kamorta. Doesn't have air-defence.

Since it has torpedoes/ASW rockets, I am assuming it will have a complement of sonars, though it doesn't say so in the spec sheet.

Wonder what radar is used?
I believe all IN ships of this tonnage have personnel armed with MANPADs as a stand-off weapon. I also think that the radar and the sonar are deliberately kept under wraps.
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2nd ASW Shallow Water Craft INS Androth launched by GRSE yesterday. The 1st one, INS Arnala, rolled out in Dec 2022. 8 to be built by GRSE and 8 by CSL. Over 80% indigenous content.

These will replace the Abhay class corvettes. Like the way they are churning these out quickly!

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Apologies if posted already. The Nau Sena bhavan under construction:

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MeshaVishwas wrote:Apologies if posted already. The Nau Sena bhavan under construction:
I can see only three buildings. :mrgreen: :rotfl: Where are the other six.
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Rupesh wrote:
MeshaVishwas wrote:Apologies if posted already. The Nau Sena bhavan under construction:
I can see only three buildings. :mrgreen: :rotfl: Where are the other six.

Where ?
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Kersi, it's a joke - Nau = 9 in Hindi/Gujarati also.
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BhairavP wrote:Kersi, it's a joke - Nau = 9 in Hindi/Gujarati also.

Is there a new Nao Sena Bhavan or is somebody playing a dirty trick on an seedha-sadha, bhola-bhola, innocent, harmless, God-fearing person like me !!!!
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Why delay fighter jets for IAF, says the Parliamentary Committee on Defence
The Committee also asked the government to make a final decision on having a third aircraft carrier, “In no uncertain words, [we] recommend that the Ministry of Defence may take a final decision, chalk out a trajectory and start the planning process for the third aircraft carrier which would eventually enhance India’s maritime capabilities,” the parliamentary panel said in its report on March 21.
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https://twitter.com/livefist/status/164 ... 30112?s=20 ---> Indian MoD signs ₹19,600 crore contracts with Indian shipyards for 11 Next Generation Offshore Patrol Vessels and 6 Next Generation Missile Vessels for the @IndianNavy. Details:

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Boost to 'Atmanirbhar Bharat': MoD signs Rs 19,600 crore contracts for 11 patrol vessels, 6 missile vessels - ToI
The defence ministry on Thursday signed contracts with Indian shipyards for acquisition of 11 next Generation offshore patrol vessels and six next generation missile vessels at cost of Rs 19,600 crore for Navy.

"The contract for acquisition of 11 Next Generation Offshore Patrol Vessels under Buy (Indian-IDDM) category was signed with Goa Shipyard Ltd (GSL) and Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers (GRSE), Kolkata at a total cost of Rs 9,781 crore," the ministry of defence said in a statement.

Of the 11 ships, seven will be indigenously designed, developed and manufactured by GSL and four by GRSE. The delivery of the ships is scheduled to commence from September 2026.

"The acquisition of these ships will enable the Indian Navy to maintain its combat capability and meet various operational requirements such as Anti-Piracy, Counter-Infiltration, Anti-Poaching, Anti-Trafficking, Non-Combatant Evacuation Operations, Search and Rescue (SAR), Protection of Offshore Assets etc. The construction of these ships will generate employment of 110 lakh man-days over a period of seven and half years, the statement said.

The contract for acquisition of six Next Generation Missile Vessels (NGMV) was signed with Cochin Shipyard Limited (CSL) for Rs 9,805 crore.
The delivery of ships is scheduled to commence from March 2027.

The NGMVs would be heavily armed war vessels incorporating stealth, high speed and offensive capability. The primary role of the ships would be to provide offensive capability against enemy warship, merchantmen and land targets.

"These ships will be capable of conducting Maritime Strike Operations, Anti Surface Warfare Operations and would be a potent instrument of sea denial for enemy ships especially at choke points. In a defensive role, these ships would be employed for Local Naval Defence operations and seaward defence of Offshore Development Area. The construction of these ships will generate employment of 45 lakh man-days over a period of nine years," the ministry said.

"The indigenous manufacturing of these vessels will encourage the active participation of Indian shipbuilding and associated industries, including MSMEs. With the majority of the equipment and systems sourced from indigenous manufacturers, these vessels will be a proud flag bearer of ‘Aatmanirbhar Bharat’," it added.
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Somebody to watch for. Could be in the running for the next Chief of Naval Staff (CNS).

https://twitter.com/delhidefence/status ... 94624?s=20 ---> A scholar sailor checks in: Vice Admiral Sanjay Jasjit Singh will take over as the next Vice Chief of Naval Staff from Vice Admiral Satish Namdeo Ghormade on 31 March 2023. Vice Admiral Singh has commanded @IN_WesternFleet and instrumental in drafting several naval doctrines - 2009, 2015 and the IMSS 2015.

Link to IMSS (Indian Maritime Security Strategy) 2015 ---> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensuring_ ... y_Strategy

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Vips, the above article has already been posted twice in this very page of the thread.
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Rakesh wrote: https://twitter.com/livefist/status/164 ... 30112?s=20 ---> Indian MoD signs ₹19,600 crore contracts with Indian shipyards for 11 Next Generation Offshore Patrol Vessels and 6 Next Generation Missile Vessels for the @IndianNavy. Details:
https://twitter.com/TheLegateIN/status/ ... 83523?s=20 ---> All of Navy's upcoming NGMVs to be deployed on western theater for offensive operations against Pak surface fleet and offshore installations. Contract signed today.
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Rakesh wrote: https://twitter.com/TheLegateIN/status/ ... 83523?s=20 ---> All of Navy's upcoming NGMVs to be deployed on western theater for offensive operations against Pak surface fleet and offshore installations. Contract signed today.
Makes sense if the new Brahmos coastal batteries are going to be deployed at choke points (read Andaman/Nicobar islands). These will be the vessels which will carry out Op Trident's sequel.
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A Torpedo-Torpedo-Torpedo of A “Smart” Idea
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Q: Hypothetically, if Philippines, Indonesia, Vietnam were to seek the long-range (800km/500 mi) coastal batteries, what would be the obstacle in supplying?

Long range BrahMos coastal batteries with Philippines, Vietnam and Indonesia will turn South China sea into a fish bowl.
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Avid wrote:Q: Hypothetically, if Philippines, Indonesia, Vietnam were to seek the long-range (800km/500 mi) coastal batteries, what would be the obstacle in supplying?

Snip....
MTCR.
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Pratyush wrote:
Avid wrote:Q: Hypothetically, if Philippines, Indonesia, Vietnam were to seek the long-range (800km/500 mi) coastal batteries, what would be the obstacle in supplying?

Snip....
MTCR.
So the long-range BrahMos can be sold to -- South Africa, Brazil and Argentina because they are MTCR members
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No.

MTCR is designed to restrict the proliferation of capacity to diliver nuclear payloads.

That has been defined as < 500 kg or was that pounds ( i am not clear about this) in terms of payloads and 300 KMS in range. Which is why the original Brahmos was limited to a range of 290 KMS. The range enhancement was an indigenous effort.
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Avid wrote:So the long-range BrahMos can be sold to -- South Africa, Brazil and Argentina because they are MTCR members
No, it doesn't bestow any such rights.
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Pratyush wrote:No.
MTCR is designed to restrict the proliferation of capacity to diliver nuclear payloads.
That has been defined as < 500 kg or was that pounds ( i am not clear about this) in terms of payloads and 300 KMS in range. Which is why the original Brahmos was limited to a range of 290 KMS. The range enhancement was an indigenous effort.
This 290km range is a fig leaf. Range enhancement is a given, much like how the AR-15 assault rifle can be modified to automatic, everybody knows about it. We can supply "290km" missiles with a jumper which when removed increases range to 500km. In the eventuality of a firing beyond 290km we will attribute it to "unauthorized modification" by the customer.
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India is a member of MTCR.

We are not going to sell systems that can be enhanced in any way shape or form.
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Indian Navy’s NIIO Ramps Up Indigenisation To Enhance Self-reliance And Naval Defence
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Indian Navy to get next-gen Brahmos missiles from 2027; $212 million deal inked
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BrahMos missile batteries to counter maritime threats from China, Pakistan
https://www.livemint.com/news/india/bra ... 20726.html
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https://twitter.com/rafindia_/status/16 ... BFomuaYzwg —> DRDO has successfully test fired the extended range version of anti-submarine rocket RBU-6000 from INS Chennai. Range has now increases to 9 km from the existing 5 Km. It's used to hunt enemy submarines hiding near by the ship.

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