Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

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Pratyush wrote:A ship can be lost in war. Is it okay for the national flag to be sunk as a part of the naval ensign?
Is the national flag to be found only the ensign?
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I would have loved to see a triangular white flag with a slim orange border on the top edge, a slim green border on the bottom edge, with blue Ashoka Chakra first and then the new Octagon with anchor-sheild and "sham no varuna" as is, both side by side. The triangle to signify Indian peninsula jutting into the ocean, the colours reprised from the national flag, and the chakra promising destruction of enemies, the sheild representing 8 directions, navy and it's motto.

No need to stick with rectangular shape.

Ideally we should add a golden arrow to each of the services flags to represent nuclear triad.

It could be placed between the chakra and the sheild pointing upwards in my suggested navy flag.
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Folks, can we go easy on “onion bhaji had less salt” kind of post-wedding comments about the new flag? It is a big deal for the Indian navy and that is that.

Thanks.
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A nod to the Cholas would have been nice. The Maratha naval symbol signifying defence of the motherland, and a Chola (or Kalinga) symbol signifying offence and domniation of the Indian ocean would have made it more complete.
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arshyam wrote:A nod to the Cholas would have been nice. The Maratha naval symbol signifying defence of the motherland, and a Chola (or Kalinga) symbol signifying offence and domniation of the Indian ocean would have made it more complete.
thought the same too., the chola empire extended to far east .. maybe more appropriate for the 65K IAC 2 :mrgreen:
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arshyam wrote:A nod to the Cholas would have been nice. The Maratha naval symbol signifying defence of the motherland, and a Chola (or Kalinga) symbol signifying offence and domniation of the Indian ocean would have made it more complete.
It will happen.

If there is one thing we know of PM Modi it is that he knows bharatvarsh history very well, is unapologetically proud about it & makes sure that it is brought to the fore time-and-again, and with respect.
kit wrote: thought the same too., the chola empire extended to far east .. maybe more appropriate for the 65K IAC 2 :mrgreen:
It might very well happen... or our future nuclear subs, which will prowl the indian ocean and the indo-china sea might bear the names of the Chola kings.. time will tell, when history shall repeat itself.
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Thathaasthu!
kit wrote:
arshyam wrote:A nod to the Cholas would have been nice. The Maratha naval symbol signifying defence of the motherland, and a Chola (or Kalinga) symbol signifying offence and domniation of the Indian ocean would have made it more complete.
thought the same too., the chola empire extended to far east .. maybe more appropriate for the 65K IAC 2 :mrgreen:
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Much as I believe that this government in particular takes symbolism in an extremely well thought out and Indic-grounded manner, the lack of nod to the proud maritime histories and achievements of the Kalingas and Cholas in our redesigned Naval Ensign is indeed a lost opportunity... hope that gets corrected soon
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What do we know about Kongsberg NSM missile?
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ramana wrote:What do we know about Kongsberg NSM missile?
Info: https://www.kongsberg.com/kda/what-we-d ... ssile-nsm/

Missile Brochure: https://www.kongsberg.com/globalassets/ ... ersion.pdf
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ramana wrote:What do we know about Kongsberg NSM missile?
With the exception of the very small turbojet. We have all the pieces to build our own version of the missile.

The turbojet can also be realised either by a clean sheet design. Or by reverse engineering the Sea Eagle or Uran engine's.

https://www.paninian.com/aeroengine-design

Paninian Airspace has a portfolio of small jet engines. But this application will require an even smaller engine.

Note, Manik is also too large for this application.

PS: If N-Tejas operating at 40% weapons load can take off with a full tank from our aircraft carriers. Then it can easily deploy with 2 such missiles. Plus it's air to air payload.
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These three researchers should get appreciation and collaboration from Naval Labs:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 312200165X
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Pratyush wrote:
ramana wrote:What do we know about Kongsberg NSM missile?
With the exception of the very small turbojet. We have all the pieces to build our own version of the missile.
The Indian Navy conducted the maiden flight test of Naval Anti-Ship Missile-Short Range (NASM-SR) on May 18.
The subsonic NASM-SR missile followed the desired sea skimming trajectory and reportedly reached the designated target with high degree of accuracy, validating the control, guidance and mission algorithms. All the sub-systems performed satisfactorily. The mission met all its objectives, an Indian Ministry of Defence press release stated. The test involved multiple new technologies, including an indigenously developed helicopter based launcher which can be seen in released clips of the test.

ASM-SR is the first of a family of anti-ship missiles, which include an under-development medium range missile called NASM-MR to be inducted by 2027, as well as longer ranged missiles.
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NauSena at it again! 8)
Presenting the Ranvijay in her second avtaar:

I can spot the S-125 arm launcher gone and the AK-176 gone.
VL SRSAM and BHEL SRGM for the old gal.
(Image shared by Navy on Twitter of Ex JIMEX 2022)

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MeshaVishwas wrote:NauSena at it again! 8)
Presenting the Ranvijay in her second avtaar:

I can spot the S-125 arm launcher gone and the AK-176 gone.
VL SRSAM and BHEL SRGM for the old gal.
(Image shared by Navy on Twitter of Ex JIMEX 2022)
Looks like it has a EL/M 2221 STGR radar, like the Kamorta class

Is it having VLS for Brahmos and/or Barak 8 ?
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Kersi wrote:
MeshaVishwas wrote:NauSena at it again! 8)
Presenting the Ranvijay in her second avtaar:

I can spot the S-125 arm launcher gone and the AK-176 gone.
VL SRSAM and BHEL SRGM for the old gal.
(Image shared by Navy on Twitter of Ex JIMEX 2022)
Looks like it has a EL/M 2221 STGR radar, like the Kamorta class

Is it having VLS for Brahmos and/or Barak 8 ?
Doubt the BrahMos fitment in the front as the Styx inclined boxes still seen.
I too would have liked to see the inclined BrahMos boxes(ala MLUed Delhi class)
The INS Delhi with her SRGM and inclined box launcher for BrahMos at 1:14:48 onwards. But she does have BrahMos at the back in VLS cells.

LRSAM has the MFSTAR system integral I belive so tough to see that wpn system w/o the primary sensor getting replaced by the 12ton behemoth.
But Elta has a corvette version(clever name) which weighs less than 5ton and we could have got that If deemed economical.

https://www.iai.co.il/p/elm-2248-mf-star

And radar is the Revathi (Akash SAM system's 3D CAR naval variant)

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Yes. My mistake. It is Revathi, not EL/M 2222 radar.

Since it does not have MFSTAR, it would not be having Barak 8.

Barak 1 only.
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Defence Ministry signs deal for 35 BrahMos missiles for two P-15B destroyers of Indian Navy
The Defence Ministry on Thursday signed an agreement with BrahMos Aerospace for the supply of 35 combat and three practice BrahMos supersonic surface-to-surface cruise missiles for two P-15B class of stealth guided missile destroyers of the Indian Navy at a cost of ₹1,700 crore.

“Induction of these dual-role capable missiles will significantly enhance the operational capability of the Navy fleet assets,” the Defence Ministry said in a statement.
Four stealth guided missile destroyers being constructed under Project-15B at a project cost of about ₹29,643.74 crore are a follow-on to the Kolkata class (Project 15A) destroyers. They are christened after major cities from all four corners of the country — Visakhapatnam, Mormugao, Imphal and Surat. While INS Visakhapatnam was commissioned end 2021, the remaining three have been launched into waters.

They are designed by the Navy’s Directorate of Naval Design and constructed by the Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Limited, Mumbai. With a displacement of 7,400 tonnes, they feature enhanced stealth features resulting in a reduced Radar Cross Section and are packed with sophisticated state-of-the-art weapons and sensors, including BrahMos and Barak-8 Surface-to-Air missiles.
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https://twitter.com/indiannavy/status/1 ... pxiyMr05Vg ---> Two first of kind Diving Support Vessels (DSVs), indigenously designed & built at Hindustan Shipyard Ltd for #IndianNavy to be launched on 22 Sep 2022 at Visakhapatnam.

https://twitter.com/indiannavy/status/1 ... pxiyMr05Vg ---> The vessels will be launched by Mrs Kala Hari Kumar, President @NWWA_INDIANNAVY, who would also be naming them. Admiral R Hari Kumar, CNS will be the Chief Guest at the launching ceremony.

https://twitter.com/indiannavy/status/1 ... pxiyMr05Vg ---> These ships would be deployed for deep sea diving operations. Additionally, with Deep Submergence Rescue Vehicle (DSRV) embarked, the DSVs are also designed to undertake submarine rescue operations.

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https://twitter.com/ThingsNavy/status/1 ... pxiyMr05Vg ---> Two Diving Support Vessels Nistar & Nipun launched by Hindustan Shipyard today in Visakhapatnam.

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https://twitter.com/ThingsNavy/status/1 ... pxiyMr05Vg ---> Indigenous equipment on board Kalvari (Scorpène) Class submarine.

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Navy's Dornier patrol aircraft makes maiden night landing at Lakshadweep archipelago.

The Dornier-228 Maritime patrol aircraft of the Indian Navy made history by performing a night landing at the country's only airstrip in the Lakshadweep archipelago, on the western seaboard. Located nearly 460 kilometres west of Kerala's Kochi city, the Agatti atoll houses the lone airstrip available in the union territory of Lakshadweep.

While the airstrip there, operated by the Airports Authority of India (AAI) was inaugurated in April 1988 for the operation of Dornier-228, the operations were extended to the ATR-72 aircraft in September 2010. However, owing to the short runway length and limited airfield services available, both civil and military aircraft operated only during daylight hours.

Under the aegis of the Indian Navy, the Southern Naval Command (the lone training command of the Indian Navy) took the initiative to overcome this limitation and worked with AAI and the Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA).

The maiden night landing was successfully carried out on October 13. As part of the trials, multiple approaches and landings were carried out from both sides of the runway to validate the suitability of operations.

The successful night trials would enable future night operations of the Navy's Dornier-228 aircraft and boost the Navy's efforts towards round-the-clock maritime surveillance and support to the islands.
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New Information on the Next Gen Destroyers with 144 VLS cells

https://idrw.org/did-the-indian-navy-ju ... 144-cells/
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The 144 cell VLS seems to be taken from the render released by the Indian Navy a few days ago. Unless the design for the next class of destroyer is completed. This is just artistic licence taken by the VFX artists.
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https://twitter.com/strategic_front/sta ... wWPrLlIbfg ---> In the next five years, Indian shipyard MDL expects order for 8 next generation corvette, 5 next gen destroyer (NGD), 4 more Project 17A frigates.

Approximate per ship cost:
NGD - $1.25 billion
NGC - $500 million
P17A (repeat order) - $1 billion

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India's submarine fleet to get booster dose early next year

Good news on the navy front!

2 Diesel electric and 1 SSBN to join the submarine arm!

- INS Sinduratna - refit with mid-life extension after fire accident in 2014
- INS Vagir - 5th Scorpene class
- INS Arighat SSBN
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https://twitter.com/DefenceDecode/statu ... XBLjGaNwyA ---> Goa Shipyard Ltd(GSL) has emerged as the lowest bidder in the Indian Navy contract for procuring 11 Next Gen Offshore Patrol Vessels. GSL is also expected to supply 8 patrol vessels for the Indian Cost Guard & is looking to export a floating dock to Sri Lanka.
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https://twitter.com/WnWnO/status/158817 ... lnX9DI4wng ----> INS Shivalik's ACTAS (Active Towed Array Sonar) from Germany's Atlas Electronik.

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Rakesh wrote: https://twitter.com/DefenceDecode/statu ... XBLjGaNwyA ---> Goa Shipyard Ltd(GSL) has emerged as the lowest bidder in ....
Back in march, they were expected to be lowest bidder for the NGOPV contract but were expected to get order of only 7 of 11 vessels. And also were expected to get the 8 patrol vessels for the coast guard.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 362146.cms

Also, I'll leave this comparison of past performance of GSL and L&T OPV contracts here.

https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 021_1.html

Since then, it is said that GSL has modernized. ...
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I suggest making a table of IN ships in 1990, 2000, 2010, 2020.
Type:
Name, tonnage,
Type Name Tonnage,
For smaller class ships
Type Number tonnage
Last row should be total.

I think even if the number of ships is increasing slowly the tonnage has increased and thus IN has more capable ships and is transforming from brown water to the sea and is on its way to the Ocean fleet.
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A few articles on the Indian Navy.

1) India's Maritime Aspirations
Gives 2020 status and 2025 fleet additions

2) India deploys a lot more warships

Its article was written for Bloomberg. Points out IN is at 130 ships while PLAN is at 350 ships.

3) Indian Navy Expanding to meet china threat and better teaming with allies
US Naval Insitute analyses of IN ships acquisitions

4) Naval Technology Comparison beween IN and PLAN

We lost a lot of folks who cared to keep up with Indian Navy and naval developments.

The IN page is moribund. Don't know where is Mazumdar?
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GSL winning the bid for the NGOPV project is bad news for L&T. The problem is that the government shipyards can bid without too much consideration for the profits.
L&T instead acts as an out sourcing sub-contractor for the likes of GRSE and MDL.

Is there any news about a repeat order for the P-17A ships? I have come across some tenders floated in the current year, for 4 ships of the class. The tenders are for basic items. Tenders for the similar/same items for the current project, were floated way back in 2019 and are almost near completion by now.
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L&T defence is a very mature defence player. Something here and there wont affect them. They are our desi LM.
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ramana wrote:
We lost a lot of folks who cared to keep up with Indian Navy and naval developments.

WHY ?

HOW ?
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Indian Navy launches new survey vessel ‘Ikshak’

The Indian Navy launched ‘Ikshak‘, the third of the four survey vessels (Large) project, being built by GRSE/L&T was launched on Saturday at Kattupalli, Chennai.

“She made her first contact with water of Bay of Bengal at 1040 hrs at the Launch Ceremony graced by the VAdm MA Hampiholi, Flag Officer Commanding in Chief, Southern Naval Command," the Ministry of Defence said in a statement.

“Contract for building four SVL ships was signed between MoD and Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers (GRSE), Kolkata on 30 October, 2018 for a total cost of ₹2435 crore. As per build strategy adopted by GRSE, first ship is being built at GRSE, Kolkata and construction of balance three ships (upto outfitting stage) has been sub-contracted to M/s L&T Shipbuilding, Kattupalli," the ministry said.

The first of class ship ‘Sandhayak’ was launched on 5 December, 2021.

Survey vessels -large (SVL) ships will replace the existing Sandhayak Class survey ships with new generation hydrographic equipment to collect oceanographic data. The Survey Vessel (Large) ships are 110 m long, 16 m wide with deep displacement of 3400 tons and a complement of 231 personnel.

Propulsion system of the ship consists of two Main Engines in twin shaft configuration and is designed with cruise speed of 14 knots and maximum speed of 18 knots. Bow & Stern Thrusters have been catered for better manoeuvring at low speeds required during shallow water survey operations. The hull of these ships is made from indigenously developed DMR 249-A steel manufactured by Steel Authority of India Limited.

With a capability to carry four Survey Motor Boats and an integral helicopter, the primary role of the ships would be to undertake full scale coastal and deep-water hydrographic surveys of Ports and navigational channels.

The ships would also be deployed for collecting oceanographic and geophysical data for defence as well as civil applications. In their secondary role, the ships are capable of providing limited defence, besides serving as Hospital ships during emergencies, the ministry said.

Despite challenges due to covid-19 pandemic, L&T and GRSE have made substantial progress and aim to deliver ‘Ikshak’ by October 2023. Launch of the third Survey Vessel reinforces our resolve for indigenous shipbuilding as part of our Prime Minister’s vision of ‘Make in India’, and thrust to the vision of ‘Aatmanirbhar Bharat’.

The Survey Vessels Large will have over 80% indigenous content by cost. This will also ensure that large scale defence production are executed by Indian manufacturing units thereby generating employment and capability build up within the country.
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Indian Navy to open all branches for women from next year: Navy Chief Admiral R Hari Kumar.

The Indian Navy is looking at opening all its branches for women from next year, Chief of Naval Staff Admiral R Hari Kumar said on Saturday. Addressing a press conference a day ahead of the Navy Day, Admiral Kumar also said that the first batch of around 3,000 'Agniveers' has been inducted and it included 341 women.

In December last year, Navy officials said 28 women officers were deployed on board around 15 frontline warships, including aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya, and the number is set to go up.

"The first batch of Agniveers have already reported. About 3,000 Agniveers have joined out of which 341 are women. This is a landmark event for us because for the first time, the Navy is inducting women sailors. We have been inducting women officers for about the last 16-17 years, but this is for the first time that we are inducting women sailors," Admiral Kumar said.

He said the Navy will open all its branches to women officers from next year.

"Come next year, we are looking at women officers being inducted across all branches and not just seven or eight branches that they are restricted to as of today. Next year onwards, all branches will be opened for women officers as well," the Navy Chief said.

"The first batch of Agniveers have already reported. About 3,000 Agniveers have joined out of which 341 are women. This is a landmark event
for us because for the first time, the Navy is inducting women sailors," Admiral Kumar said.

The Navy celebrates December 4 as Navy Day to commemorate its daring attack on the Karachi harbour and its decisive victory in the 1971 Indo-Pak war.

"It has been our effort to constantly query and challenge the 'status-quo' to ensure that the Navy remains on an aspirational and dynamic trajectory into the future," the Chief of Naval Staff said.

He said that while the past year has been "operationally busy and satisfying" for the Navy, it has also been transformational in many ways.

"The most notable aspect was commissioning of India's first indigenous aircraft carrier INS Vikrant on September 2. Without a doubt, it was a seminal event in the history of the nation and the Navy," he said. He said INS Vikrant's commissioning was a manifestation of sustained efforts of generations of naval leadership, planners, designers, yard workers and industry partners. "The ship will remain the torch bearer of Atma Nirbhar Bharat, inspiring our future generations towards self-reliance," Admiral Kumar said.

He said that at the same time, Vikrant's commissioning was also marked by another momentous change, as the Navy adopted a new Naval Ensign.

"This change, reflecting the larger National intent to shed colonial vestiges, was brought about in a swift and decisive manner reflecting the Navy's organisational agility and responsiveness," the Navy Chief said.
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INS Mormugao: Indian Navy to commission the warship on Dec 18.

The Indian Navy will get the latest asset on December 18 when Mazagon Dock Shipbuilder constructed guided missile stealth destroyer will get commissioned into the Blue Water navy and become part of the Western Naval Command.

"Goa Liberation Day is observed on December 19 every year. Hence, we decided to commission Mormugao before that date. Mormugao will be commissioned on December 18," announced Vice Admiral Ajendra Bahadur Singh, Flag Officer Commander in Chief, Western Naval Command.

Mormugao's overall length is 164 meters and has a displacement of over 7,500 tonnes. It can achieve a speed of 32 knots. The warship is armed with supersonic surface-to-surface Brahmos missiles and Barak-8 long-range surface-to-air missiles. On its helo deck, the ship has a hanger for two helicopters to further extend its reach.

For undersea warfare capability, the destroyer is fitted with anti-submarine weapons torpedo launchers and anti-submarine rocket launchers.

This is one of the other naval floating assets that the Indian Navy will be inducted into service. In all the plan is to have as many as 45 ships and submarines that are under different phases of construction in various shipyards.

These many warships are in the pipeline as per the long-term perspective plan called the Maritime Capability Perspective Plan. A 15-year plan that is reviewed every five years. The latest plan prepared is for the 2022 to 2037 period.

Out of the 45, two ships are being built in Russia. There are three ships under Project 15B that are pending from Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Limited. Mormugao will get commissioned on December 18. Thereafter, there will be Imphal and Surat of the same class.

Simultaneously, Project 17A has seven stealth frigates, which will be commissioned from 2023 onwards.

"We also have two Project 11356, which are Talwar Class ships built in Goa Shipyard. Then we have got two more of those Project 11356 ships built in Russia. A surveyor vessel is being built by the GRSE, Kolkata. Two multipurpose vessels will come from the L&T Group, then there will be 16 anti-submarine shallow water crafts - eight each by Cochin Shipyard and GRSE like the Ajay Class we had. Then there are Diving Support Vessels being built by Hindustan Shipyard and Diving Support Craft by Titagrah Wagons. We will also get two submarines of the Scorpene class, which are being built by the Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders. Of these two submarines, one is likely to be accepted this month and commissioned next month," detailed Vice Admiral Singh.

Other than these 45 warships, the Indian Navy is in the initial stages of contracting to place orders for 39 more warships. "We hope that the contracts of those will be signed in about next one year. Beyond that another 25 ships are also in the pipeline," said Vice Admiral Singh during the Navy Day briefing.
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