Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - 24 July 2021

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LakshmanPST wrote:Wonder if this is a good time to sign the deal or even bring out a news about CCS approval...
I feel it will be better if we move all Russian files discreetly (or not move them at all) until the war is over...
Yeah - unless somebody is recycling old news just to get India in trouble..
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pravula wrote:
LakshmanPST wrote:Wonder if this is a good time to sign the deal or even bring out a news about CCS approval...
I feel it will be better if we move all Russian files discreetly (or not move them at all) until the war is over...
Aren't new MKI orders placed to HAL?
I think new orders will only be assembly of CKD kits from Russia...
Even if it is from Raw materials stage, we need lot of Raw materials from Russia...
Even if we're doing everything here, I believe deal should still be signed with Russia as they own the IP...
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pravula wrote:Aren't new MKI orders placed to HAL?
You need the license to build + some raw materials come from Russia I believe.
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Cybaru wrote:Yeah! Unless HAL never stopped production and just waiting on parts that are needed from Russia. Then it may be earlier.

I also don't think there is any value in assembling raffies in India. MRO is useful, Safran-gtre svp is worth weight in gold, but not sure about the long gestation time required to pull fighters out of assembly line in India. What value do we add?

Just order straight from France and let them arrive earlier than 36 months if possible. 72-90 for IAF and 20 odd for IN. See if we can pick up 20-30 odd French m2k birds that have 2-2.5K hrs life left in them for a real low price to retire the mig21 squadrons. They need to go.
CY, I fully agree with regards to Rafale assembly in India. Really pointless and no value addition. In fact, Dassault would gladly accept a large Rafale order to built at Merginac, France itself. But a large order will require local assembly, as per the requirement of the MRFA contest. After all, how else can MoD publish in their annual brochure that there is ToT? :)

I know the UAE is looking to sell their Mirage 2000-9s and perhaps the Qataris may be interested in getting rid of their M2Ks as well. I just hope the MoD does not low ball the Qataris, like they did last time. The Qataris wanted to sell their Mirage 2000s to India in the 2000s, but they were appalled by the very low offer that the MoD gave for their then barely flown Mirage 2000s.

That MROU facility though would be awesome for India, if it becomes a reality. Apart from India, even the UAE and Indonesian Rafales can be serviced in India. That facility + the GTRE-Safran JV is the real game changer IMVHO.
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M-2000 are the end of thier life and spares will be difficult, better to order more Rafale, LCA Mk1A, Mk2 than have these birds. And Qataris are totally Paki backers. Unless we need them in emergency like we know of very very high probability we are having a war with China or Pak in a few IAF will not choose this option. By 2035 these planes would have all retired
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I am talking about short term (till the early 2030s). The IAF has four MiG-21 Bison squadrons that sorely need to be retired. The earlier the better. It is not just about the numbers, but also about the capability jump. One Mirage 2000-9 squadron has a significantly greater capability over one MiG-21 Bison unit.

We lost three experienced pilots in 2021, all in MiG-21 Bison crashes - Group Captain Ashish Gupta, Wing Commander Harshit Sinha and Squadron Leader Abhinav Chaudhary. Nothing compares (in terms of delivery) to inducting existing types in the inventory. Those 40+ Mirage 2000s (from UAE and Qatar) can easily add two squadrons in a span of a few months. No one OEM can deliver aircraft at that speed.

The IAF insistence on I-want-114-MRFA-and-will-accept-nothing-less is resulting in the loss of lives and that too experienced pilots. The IAF can readily add another two Mk1A units as well. By the mid-2030s, the Tejas Mk2 will be well on her way in production to replace the retiring MiG-29s, Mirage 2000s and the last of the Jaguars.

This Muslim Ummah and Islamic Brotherhood speeches are good to give in Mosques and Madrassas. Even the Qataris realize that at the end of the day, it is all about money. No serious player in the Arab world gives two hoots about Pakistan. Doing the above + repeat order of Rafale will be cheaper & quicker than 114 MRFA.
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We had to get old M2k's from France and cannibalize them for spares to keep the current fleet in service. Adding more used M2k's makes little sense in this situation. They will suffer from similar spares issues. There are no simple solutions here. We are paying for the dual failures of IAF not asking for and ordering a lot more Tejas Mk1's to replace all the Bisons and HAL not being able to sort out production issues fast enough to maintain a healthy delivery rate on the existing orders.
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Nachiket, they will indeed have similar spares issues. But those Qatari and UAE Mirage 2000s are being flown and maintained by their respective air forces. So if acquired, we will be buying all the spares/maintenance kits they have. There is no point for UAE or Qatar to keep spares of Mirage 2000s, when they no longer have any Mirage 2000s to fly.

Assuming they have just around a few years worth of spares (so less than what the IAF intends to use them for, till the early 2030s), the IAF can turn to Dassault. The French Air Force just signed a 10 year maintenance/upkeep program - with Dassault - for their Mirage 2000 fleet in late 2021. They too are retiring their fleet in the early 2030s. So it is not like there is a dearth of Mirage 2000 spares.

A similar maintenance program can be signed with Dassault if required. This will work out a lot cheaper than acquiring 114 shiny new MRFAs. While the IAF is indeed paying for not ordering additional Tejas Mk1s, at this stage what can be quickly acquired is what is most urgent. I don't see what utility the Bison brings anymore to the IAF. She is best retired. There is no point in flying that bird any longer.

Even now the IAF can place an order for additional Tejas Mk1A units. But they will not, because the IAF wants 114 new MRFAs. After all, only 114 MRFA can prevail against China/Pakistan. But Tejas Mk1As and used Mirage 2000s cannot. And after acquiring 114 MRFA (which will break the bank!), then the IAF wants to jump directly to AMCA! It is all about priorities.
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Rakesh wrote:The French Air Force just signed a 10 year maintenance/upkeep program - with Dassault - for their Mirage 2000 fleet in late 2021. They too are retiring their fleet in the early 2030s. So it is not like there is a dearth of Mirage 2000 spares.
Nachiket, see below. And it was signed in January of this year and not late last year, as I stated above.

This is doable, but the IAF wants 114 new MRFAs. The IAF insistence on 114 MRFA is only continuing to keep the door open for an American fighter to somehow squeeze its way into the IAF. That is a whole other (and worse) headache to have. The more that 114 number is chipped away at, the lesser the odds of yet another 4th generation fighter being acquired. What would be the point?

https://twitter.com/ReviewVayu/status/1 ... 60096?s=20 ---> The French MoD has awarded Dassault the new-generation contract to support the Mirage 2000 fleet of the French Air Force. Covering a period of 10 years, the contract includes all maintenance activities for the French Mirage 2000s until their retirement.

New support contract for French Mirage 2000s
https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/gr ... age-2000s/
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a lot of things - like upgrading mki, buying second hand mirages and ordering more tejas - are all coming from the import lobby manuevers.
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nachiket wrote:We had to get old M2k's from France and cannibalize them for spares to keep the current fleet in service. Adding more used M2k's makes little sense in this situation. They will suffer from similar spares issues. There are no simple solutions here. We are paying for the dual failures of IAF not asking for and ordering a lot more Tejas Mk1's to replace all the Bisons and HAL not being able to sort out production issues fast enough to maintain a healthy delivery rate on the existing orders.
Not necessarily. the Qatari deal was for 11 Mirage-2000-5s, plus their entire stock of spares and MICA missiles. It would've been adequate to keep them in service till 2035-2040. These should be targeted for a top up order to bring No.9 Squadron to full strength and retire 1 Bison squadron in turn. But the speed at which our MoD and IAF work, this is all just a fantasy. It won't fructify.

For the UAE's Mirage-2000-9s, if a deal were to be done with Dassault (which as per one French news article was supposed to buy them back from UAE after the Rafales are delivered) then they would be bought with spares and weapons to support the type. But the only issue with the UAE's Mirages is their current timeline for retirement- it won't begin till 2027, since their Rafales are not slated for deliveries to start till 2027. Too late for India, IMO, at which point it makes a LOT more sense to simply invest the funds in placing advance orders for the Tejas Mk2 MWF.
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Ukraine crisis puts a damper on many procurements and supply chain issues for IAF:

- Europe will re-arm and the Rafale line will be full.
Recall it was the IAF add-ons that jacked up the price of Rafale.
- More GE engines are at the whim of Biden Admin sanctions mind.
Any other engine will add qualification time to the Tejas due to its design.
I see more Su-30MKIS to bolster IAF squadrons is one option.
Most of the plane is assembled in India.
Russia will gladly supply raw materials as they need business
The plane is qualified for DRDO ordnance Astra, HSLD, SAAW etc.

One question- How many aircraft and helicopters use the 70mm rocket pods?
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ramana wrote:Ukraine crisis puts a damper on many procurements and supply chain issues for IAF:

- Europe will re-arm and the Rafale line will be full.

One question- How many aircraft and helicopters use the 70mm rocket pods?
Amerika will see to it that everyone orders American! ..isn't this part of their game plan .. promote.wealth flow from oirope to us
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kit wrote:
ramana wrote:Ukraine crisis puts a damper on many procurements and supply chain issues for IAF:

- Europe will re-arm and the Rafale line will be full.

One question- How many aircraft and helicopters use the 70mm rocket pods?
Amerika will see to it that everyone orders American! ..isn't this part of their game plan .. promote.wealth flow from oirope to us

the germans are already thinking about buying the ameriki F-35s

https://www.dw.com/en/f-35-why-germany- ... %20target.


Defense Minister Christine Lambrecht (SPD) announced on Monday that Germany wants to buy 35 such jets to replace the Tornado fighter jets put into service more than 40 years ago, which, like the F-35, can carry American atomic bombs to their target.

"There are military reasons in favor of the F-35," said Rafael Loss, a security expert at the think tank European Council on Foreign Relations. "If you have to deliver the nuclear bomb, you better do it with a stealth aircraft than with an aircraft that doesn't have that capability," he told DW. "We need that lower radar signature and the ability to detect and engage targets at long range. And the F-35 can do that better than any other air combat system on the market right now."
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ramana wrote:Ukraine crisis puts a damper on many procurements and supply chain issues for IAF:

- Europe will re-arm and the Rafale line will be full.
Recall it was the IAF add-ons that jacked up the price of Rafale.
- More GE engines are at the whim of Biden Admin sanctions mind.
Any other engine will add qualification time to the Tejas due to its design.
I see more Su-30MKIS to bolster IAF squadrons is one option.
Most of the plane is assembled in India.
Russia will gladly supply raw materials as they need business
why not export the sukhoi s to Russia, finished products for raw material? spare parts etc .. we have a well developed ecosystem., maybe have a more symbiotic relationship
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Cross posting from India Russia news
What about FGFA
Is this the time for resuscitate this project
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Rsatchi wrote:Cross posting from India Russia news
What about FGFA
Is this the time for resuscitate this project
Why?
What has changed apart from Uncle Purim’s adventure?

Or are you hoping that Russia will now part with its Crown Jewels?
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Rsatchi wrote:Cross posting from India Russia news
What about FGFA
Is this the time for resuscitate this project
What has "really" changed on that program since the MOD left? Does the RuAF even have an operational squadron yet?
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Brarji
As Kit Saab has explained will our engine deliver be a collateral damage
We are reliant on GE for Mk1a/II/AMCA
If Rafale line be busy with EU back filling and or sanctions, so if there is going to be more Sukhois,?? can there be some other joint venture either for engine or aircraft??
I mean the FGFA is not completely dead is it??
per wiki India hinted will be interested in taking part later?? Though ACS said it is dead as a 'Dodo'
As we all know our Baboos are experts in 'Murda sharir main Jaan Puuke main of Mahir Hain'!!
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FGFA/PAKFA is just single seater su30 with internal weapons carriage. Its not stealth fighter in league of AMCA or KF-21. Other than Russian pigheaded inflexibility to allow IAF pilots inspecting / flying it with their usual "eta secret" attitude, we were repelled by it's lack of composites and absence of stealthy engine ducts.

It was a scam and IAF found Rafale to be more capable and probably stealthy.
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Rsatchi wrote:Brarji
As Kit Saab has explained will our engine deliver be a collateral damage
We are reliant on GE for Mk1a/II/AMCA
If Rafale line be busy with EU back filling and or sanctions, so if there is going to be more Sukhois,?? can there be some other joint venture either for engine or aircraft??
I mean the FGFA is not completely dead is it??
per wiki India hinted will be interested in taking part later?? Though ACS said it is dead as a 'Dodo'
As we all know our Baboos are experts in 'Murda sharir main Jaan Puuke main of Mahir Hain'!!
Something would have had to change. Of course FGFA (Indian version of PAK-FA) died when India left that program. The PAKFA has very slowly developed since then, so if they weren't giving any form of tech transfer, local design, or production, or even the courtesy of letting IAF test pilots embed in the program (something widely done in international cooperative defense programs) then what makes you think that they will all of a sudden begin doing it now?
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Rsatchi,
AMCA is doing quite well. So no to FGFA.
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The Indian Air Force has decided to order 12 more Sukhoi-30 MKI.
Report the news media.
BTW these 12 were mentioned in ACM Bahduria's first speech.
Tells you how serious IAF is about procurments.
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Brarji
I am not fan of 'Stolichnaya' but there is a big lobby vodka sellers in Lutyens Dilli.
What I am worried is the vested interests ready derail AMCA/MkII.
So before some serious intent shown we should fly some 'Khyyali Ballons' and shoot it down!!
Just look at the Arjun saga and some spurious spurt in 'Sprut'
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Rsatchi wrote: So before some serious intent shown we should fly some 'Khyyali Ballons' and shoot it down!!
I don't understand how 'Khyyali Ballons' here have any impact on what happens out in the real world.
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ramana wrote:The Indian Air Force has decided to order 12 more Sukhoi-30 MKI.
Report the news media.
BTW these 12 were mentioned in ACM Bahduria's first speech.
Tells you how serious IAF is about procurments.
How will Russia supply?
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Rsatchi wrote:Brarji
As Kit Saab has explained will our engine deliver be a collateral damage
We are reliant on GE for Mk1a/II/AMCA
If Rafale line be busy with EU back filling and or sanctions, so if there is going to be more Sukhois,?? can there be some other joint venture either for engine or aircraft??
I mean the FGFA is not completely dead is it??
per wiki India hinted will be interested in taking part later?? Though ACS said it is dead as a 'Dodo'
As we all know our Baboos are experts in 'Murda sharir main Jaan Puuke main of Mahir Hain'!!
--What backfill are we talking about WRT to Rafael. Has there been a student sport in orders for the aircraft from the EU nations?
--What value does a FGFA give us when it is just vaporware and even if it is resurrected what timelines are you expecting this vaporware to be operational?
Are you reading the Rafael thread and how the role of the IAF vs a vis the MoD in terms of procurement as per Admiral Rakesh. Baboos can do what they want but the technical go ahead has to be from IAF. If IAF is not keen on FGFA then good luck.
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vijayk wrote:
ramana wrote:The Indian Air Force has decided to order 12 more Sukhoi-30 MKI.
Report the news media.
BTW these 12 were mentioned in ACM Bahduria's first speech.
Tells you how serious IAF is about procurments.
How will Russia supply?
Why can't it?
Irkutst is very far from Ukraine is it not?
As far as I am aware Ukraine has not bombed any Russian sites?
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Irkustst supplies raw forgings and all the machining and assembly is done by HAL.
Please get acquainted with the supply chain of Su-30MKI.
In fact, the new orders can be built to upgrade standards.
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Sukhoi upgrade gains urgency amid worries over Russian spares
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 364253.cms
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https://www.newsbharati.com/Encyc/2022/ ... -MK30.html
Uganda has signed a Memorandum of Understanding with India for the maintenance and technical support of the Sukhoi SU-MK30 fighter jets Uganda purchased from Russia more than a decade ago.The maintenance will be done by Indian state-owned aerospace and defence company, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). The Indian company has a manufacturing license from Russia to build the fighter aircraft.
India/HAL does not seem like an entity too worried about its ability to Maintain SU-30s. Where is this Dhoti Shivering emanating from?
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Unified information warfare against Russia using all points of attack.

Including attempting to induce panic in Indian defence circles.
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Pratyush wrote:Unified information warfare against Russia using all points of attack.

Including attempting to induce panic in Indian defence circles.

Its not unified attack against Russia - its mainly the worry that Russia can't supply avionics because they have little ability to fabricate semiconductor and source raw materials during sanctions. Russia can continue to supply everything else like engine , airframe, electrical etc.
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But I thought that the mk1 already had an Indian avionics package.
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The radar is Russian - NIIP N011M Bars.
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Radar, IRST, first mission computer, SPJ, stores management system, FBW computer including the DFCC, all the input sensors, most of the basic stuff is Russian.
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Karan M wrote:Radar, IRST, first mission computer, SPJ, stores management system, FBW computer including the DFCC, all the input sensors, most of the basic stuff is Russian.
karan sir, what all could be replaced in the coming years by desi alternatives. Please correct my understanding
1. Radar: Uttam upscaled variant
2. mission computer & FBW: We have done with tejas, we would need inputs from them but given time and money seems doable to me
3. Stores managemnt: not sure
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Mission computer is Indian now - That is also what Karan is saying.
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Well this is my wishlist for Super Sukhoi & how it can be done for most part indigenously with minimal Russian involvement:

also, if we are able to pull this off the whole world of Su-30 fighters will be looking at us for upgrade.

1) GaN AESA radar
---> Scaled up Uttam from LRDE ( this could also lead to Meteor Integration with Super Sukhoi since MBDA was ok with integration of Meteor on Indian system but not Russian or Israeli Radars)


2) New Dual Band IRST
---> MoD under Sri Rajnath Singh already approved this project but I don't know the timeline, for initial batch we can either use OLS50 from Su-57 or co manufacture with Israel's ELTA eventually to be replaced by our own indigenous one. I am unable to find reference on the net but probably someone on this forum shared an image of snippet where this was approved and mentioned in (perhaps a DRDO) newsletter.

According to this link BEL has started developing it: https://www.defenseworld.net/news/22623 ... j0gYJrMITs

Added later: Found this link detailing effort on the scope of project indigenous IRST
https://www.makeinindiadefence.gov.in/a ... ersion.pdf

3) Full EW suite w/ RWR, LWR, MAW, Jammer, Towed Decoy

All Digital RWR
  • Ultra Wide-band receiver
    Digital Interferometry
    High degree of angular precision & DF accuracy
    Ability to handle LPI AESA radars
DRDO is working on next gen RWR beyond DR-118. See this https://www.drdo.gov.in/achievements-dare
"DARE is currently developing Full Authority Digital Engine Control Unit for GHATAK engine, Mission Computer for Jaguar DARIN III upgrade, Display Processor-30 for SU30 MKI Enhancement program and a new generation digital RWR DR118 for installation on any fighter, transport aircraft or helicopter."

All Digital AESA Jammer
  • Latest generation multi channel DRFM based ECM techniques generator
    GaN AESA transmitters for wide band jamming
DARE is already working on ASPJ pod for fighter aircraft. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0le_aOL4OQ)


Towed RF Decoy with GaN AESA transmitters (programmed especially to defeat Active Radar missile seekers of AAM & SAM)
Towed Decoy for now will have to be X-Guard from Rafael, Israel.

Dual color Imaging IR sensor based MAW
DRDO has also successfully developed Dual Color MAW (https://www.drdo.gov.in/dual-colour-mis ... r-aircraft)
DIRCM capability can be added in a later block

There were brochures pasted in other threads showing indigenous efforts in these areas.


5) New Glass Cockpit/MMI
https://www.drdo.gov.in/next-generation ... c-displays
HAL and SAMTEL JV can do the job here


6) Elbit Targo-2 HMD
We need to source this from Israel. I am not aware of any indigenous program for this.


7) New Multi sensor data fusion software
This can be done in house in DRDO lab.


8 ) New Computers
DRDO has been working on FADEC, Flight Control Computers, Radar Computer, Mission Computer, Display Processor, Digital Signal Processors
https://www.drdo.gov.in/full-authority- ... gine-fadec
https://www.drdo.gov.in/avionics-proces ... d-software
Display Processor for MKI upgrade:
https://www.drdo.gov.in/achievements-dare
"DARE is currently developing Full Authority Digital Engine Control Unit for GHATAK engine, Mission Computer for Jaguar DARIN III upgrade, Display Processor-30 for SU30 MKI Enhancement program and a new generation digital RWR DR118 for installation on any fighter, transport aircraft or helicopter."


9) Engine upgrade
I remember reading that IAF is happy with current engine so we will not go for a new engine: Saturn AL-41F1S.


10) Airframe reinforcement & Stealth Enhancements
Not sure about how effective were Stealth enhancements retrofitting on existing Su-30, depending on that we may entirely skip this step. Although developing some sort of blockers for engine blades will be highly recommended for Super-30 upgrade.


11) Integration of new missiles
  • * Brahmos A, ASRAAM, I-Derby-ER, Astra Mk2, Astra SFDR, Meteor, SPICE 1K/2K, Garuthma, SAAW, NGARM( Rudram 1), TARA, LRGB
DRDO is developing new missile interface/launch hardware and software: https://www.drdo.gov.in/onboard-compute ... n-software


12) New Communication, Navigation & Identification (CNI) systems
  • Software Defined Radios
    Beyond LoS Data link & distributed information system
    AESA based SATCOM
All this has to be currently sourced from Israel. I am not aware of serious efforts for indigenizing these.

13) Litening 5 EOT pod
Again from Israel's Rafael


So without much Russian involvement Super-30 is pretty achievable in next 4-5 years for initial batch and then more complete upgrade should follow in next 3-4 years. Within a decade we should have 275+ aircraft upgraded to Super-30 standard but it requires serious will and execution on part of PMO, MoD, MoF, IAF & Joint Command. Very significant Russian involvement will be required if we pursue point 9 and 10.
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