Integrated Rocket Force: News & Discussion

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Integrated Rocket Force: News & Discussion

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Starting a new thread on this topic, as the IRF is going to be a major arm of India's future offensive structure.

Starting off with some articles on this topic.

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Is IT TIME for India's Rocket Force?
https://www.neliti.com/publications/327 ... cket-force
By Bimal Monga, Summer 2020

India "Looking At Creating Rocket Force": General Bipin Rawat
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/india-l ... at-2542323
16 Sept 2021

India’s Coming ‘Rocket Force’
https://thediplomat.com/2021/11/indias- ... ket-force/
By Saurav Jha, 06 Nov 2021
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Brahmos deployment on India-China border poses no threat to China’s security: Report
https://www.wefornews.com/brahmos-deplo ... ty-report/
15 November 2021
Chinese observers slammed the Indian government’s plan to deploy the BrahMos missile – its most advanced missile – at the India-China border, warning it would add new barriers in talks to peacefully address the border tension and further deteriorate ties, Global Times reported.
These are the tweets the above article is referring to....

https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/sta ... 52551?s=20 ---> Chinese observers slammed India’s plan to deploy BrahMos missile – its most advanced missile – at India-China border, warning it would add new barriers to talks to peacefully address the border tension and further deteriorate ties.

https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/sta ... 15844?s=20 ---> The new Indian weapon would be only of theoretical use while posing no actual threat to China’s security, said Chinese observers.
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https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/155 ... dF1uECKNZw ---> Operating from high-altitude bases in Tibet, the PLA Air Force will manage a performance worse than the Rus AF over Ukraine. China will depend on Army MLRS & the PLA Rocket Force. Advantage India if it puts up an 'Integrated Rocket Force' of its own.
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Rakesh wrote: https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/155 ... dF1uECKNZw ---> Operating from high-altitude bases in Tibet, the PLA Air Force will manage a performance worse than the Rus AF over Ukraine. China will depend on Army MLRS & the PLA Rocket Force. Advantage India if it puts up an 'Integrated Rocket Force' of its own.
This is not a good place to be. If the PRC builds a substantial tanker fleet. The air base altitude will stop to matter. The rocket force is just a short term solution.
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With CDS Gen Rawat's untimely demise, all this talk of Rocket Force, Theater Commands etc have all come to a standstill. There is no new thinking.

The services are happy doing their usual thing. I think the IAF Chief's repeated MRFA pronouncements would have been nipped in the bud (or at least curtailed), if a Gen Rawat was with us today.
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One question that was bothering me was why was Pralay put under SFC? Perhaps to fast track its development and deployment.
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Prem Kumar wrote:With CDS Gen Rawat's untimely demise, all this talk of Rocket Force, Theater Commands etc have all come to a standstill. There is no new thinking.

The services are happy doing their usual thing. I think the IAF Chief's repeated MRFA pronouncements would have been nipped in the bud (or at least curtailed), if a Gen Rawat was with us today.
The new CDS has already hit the ground running....

https://twitter.com/TheLegateIN/status/ ... rger-FwmJQ ---> Report: All conventional missile regiments (BrahMos, Pralay and other SSBM) as well as long range MLRS units planned to be placed under a newly created 'Missile Command'.
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Ramjet technology can counter China’s long-range missiles, beat Himalayan terrain limitation
https://theprint.in/opinion/ramjet-tech ... n/1143131/
26 Sept 2022
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We need to invest in MLRS and SSBM for conventional forces. From a value stand point, a Brahmos and/or Nibhay, costs $5m+ and to be used for value appropriate targets. But to sustain a high rate of fire on the battlefield and act as extended artillery we need to lower cost per kilo of destruction and needs are in millions of kilos.
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ShauryaT wrote:sustain a high rate of fire
Is this backward to state we need a high rate of fire. We found the same in automatic rifles which require a 3 shot instead of continuously emptying the clip. I would advocate for precise strike (maybe 3 into the same target just to make sure of the damage). Having advanced detection of the sources and striking them exactly is of higher value than having a high rate of fire.
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IRF is going to be as productive as Space Command, Cyber Command and AFSOD have been so far.

Besides, with IAF leading the space command, IN cyber command and IA leading AFSOD, who will lead the IRF.
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After Pralay, defence forces may opt for medium-range ballistic missiles in conventional roles for rocket force
https://aninews.in/news/national/genera ... 105195450/
05 Nov 2023
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^^^

https://x.com/VivekSi85847001/status/17 ... 57752?s=20 ---> The Indian Army is looking for a 2,000 km range conventional ballistic missile in its arsenal, to strike deep into enemy territory after having the Pralay missile. The army is going to pick one missile from the Agni Series for this role and most probably it will be the Agni Prime.

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Very good news!

1 unit of Pralay (120) was ordered in Dec 2022
2 more units (250) were in advanced stages of procurement in April 2023. Don't know if orders have been placed

Hopefully the 370 Pralays get inducted ASAP & parallel orders of Agni-P-conventional get progressed too. We need these in the 1000s. Both missiles are ready. I hope the IA inducts them as-is & does not ask for "modifications", which typically means a multi-year delay

Nothing will deter the Panda better than the likelihood of a massive retaliatory conventional strike
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Bingo! You hit the nail on the head with regards to retaliatory strikes. While other platforms / systems are important; a massive and capable - with an assured retaliatory capability - will give the PRC a moment of pause. No point in teaching India a lesson, if you are going to face an equal amount of damage.

After General Rawat’s untimely death, it appeared that the Integrated Rocket Force was put on the back burner. Happy to see that it is on track. And of all our local military R&D endeavours…our missile programs have enjoyed the greatest acceptance with the services.

P.S. India’s Integrated Rocket Force needs to be distinct from the Strategic Forces Command and have only a conventional role.
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On cue, Pralay was tested a short while ago. Encouraging signs that induction is imminent

Look forward to the day that user-tests happen from their production-stocks (like Brahmos)
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Prem Kumar wrote: 07 Nov 2023 14:55 On cue, Pralay was tested a short while ago. Encouraging signs that induction is imminent

Look forward to the day that user-tests happen from their production-stocks (like Brahmos)
https://x.com/VivekSi85847001/status/17 ... 00455?s=20 ---> India's DRDO successfully test fired the Pralay Short Range Ballistic Missile today at 9:50 am from Abdul Kalam Island near Coast of Odisha. The missile testing range was up to 475 km. The Pralay is a Surface to Surface missile with range up to 500 km depend on warhead.

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Indian Rocket Force’s 1500 km Missile Threatens China’s Vital Interests Much Beyond the Border
https://www.defencenews.in/2023/11/indi ... he-border/
07 Nov 2023
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