Air Force Tejas Mk1: News & Discussions: 02 January 2022

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SSridhar wrote:Both Japan & Taiwan are being subjected to similar wear & tear by repeated incursions by PLAAF. It is a similar tactic.
Noob question:

What is preventing IAF from doing repeated incursions and wearing out their systems? Always it seems like we are only in a defensive posture and whining about it. All the more it is a justification to order Tejas in huge numbers for this purpose. Let them wear out their fighters trying to intercept the swarm of Tejas.

Just look at the feigned drama enacted by China over Pelosi's visit. Going ballistic and firing missiles, doing military exercises, flying multiple fighters etc. Why can't India do the same thing when the Chinese talk about CPEC? Lob a few missiles, overfly PoK, GB and warn China 'not to play with fire' over the Akhand Bharat policy. I would even go further that we fly fully armed fighters, close to Hambantota when their spy ship will be arriving there. Let the Chinese fly air cover for their ship over the seas.
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RCase wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Both Japan & Taiwan are being subjected to similar wear & tear by repeated incursions by PLAAF. It is a similar tactic.
Noob question:

What is preventing IAF from doing repeated incursions and wearing out their systems? Always it seems like we are only in a defensive posture and whining about it. All the more it is a justification to order Tejas in huge numbers for this purpose. Let them wear out their fighters trying to intercept the swarm of Tejas.
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This is a war of attrition. Cannot be fought with foreign bought equipment unless you are looking at bankrupting the country.
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Malaysia to procure 18 Tejas jets from India; US, Australia, Indonesia show interest
The government told the Parliament on Friday that Malaysia is procuring 18 Tejas jets while the US, Argentina, Australia, Egypt, Indonesia and Philippines too have shown interest to procure the light combat aircraft (LCA).
The government said, "Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), a defence PSU under the Ministry of Defence, responded to a request for information received from Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) in February 2019 for LCA class aircraft.
In a written reply to the Lok Sabha, Minister of State for Defence Ajay Bhatt said, "Subsequently in October 2021, HAL responded to request for proposal issued against tender released by the Royal Malaysian Air Force for 18 Fighter Lead In Trainer - Light Combat Aircraft (FLIT-LCA) and offered the LCA Tejas twin seater variant."
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^^^
We've been unfairly critical of Indian media at times as to the intent. Look at the headlines ('procure') vs the content that is being reported ('response to tender'). That it happens in English media is even more baffling.
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Ghar ki murgi is becoming a baaz!!!!
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:(( Oh but it's just a 3 legged cheetah. :((

Only 114 MRFA will do for the first class IAF.
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ks_sachin wrote:Ghar ki murgi is becoming a baaz!!!!
Ghar kee daal murgi se badhiya.
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Is Gaganshakti 2022 is back on cards??

WhiteShadow1712 made a teaser for Gaganshakti 22 "For the Berets" TG channel posted a video.

Does anyone know about it
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basant wrote:^^^
We've been unfairly critical of Indian media at times as to the intent. Look at the headlines ('procure') vs the content that is being reported ('response to tender'). That it happens in English media is even more baffling.
That's pretty bad journalism and writing. They can't tell the difference between "procure" and "proposal"? Unless it's a click bait as on YouTube. Getting tired of all these false headlines of Tejas being sold to so many countries; if true we would have sold well over a hundred by now.
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Haven't heard of this website though. No sources provided on when this statement was made

Handed over 30 Tejas Mk-1 single seater aircraft to IAF : HAL CMD R Madhavan
The Chairman of Hindustan Aeronautics, R Madhavan has said that the company has handed over 30 single-seater Tejas Mk-1 fighter aircraft out of the 32 units that were ordered by the Indian Air Force and one aircraft is currently waiting for the Air Force to take delivery and another aircraft will be handed over next month after carrying out mandated flight trials.

The Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) division has switched to manufacturing 18 Tejas trainers and HAL plans to deliver four trainer aircraft this year and the rest 14 trainers by 2024.
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putnanja wrote:Haven't heard of this website though. No sources provided on when this statement was made

Handed over 30 Tejas Mk-1 single seater aircraft to IAF : HAL CMD R Madhavan
The Chairman of Hindustan Aeronautics, R Madhavan has said that the company has handed over 30 single-seater Tejas Mk-1 fighter aircraft out of the 32 units that were ordered by the Indian Air Force and one aircraft is currently waiting for the Air Force to take delivery and another aircraft will be handed over next month after carrying out mandated flight trials.

The Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) division has switched to manufacturing 18 Tejas trainers and HAL plans to deliver four trainer aircraft this year and the rest 14 trainers by 2024.
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From a YouTube channel India Defense updates
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All 32 Mk1s have flown, so delivery of 30 Mk1s sounds appropriate.
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putnanja wrote:Haven't heard of this website though. No sources provided on when this statement was made

Handed over 30 Tejas Mk-1 single seater aircraft to IAF : HAL CMD R Madhavan
The Chairman of Hindustan Aeronautics, R Madhavan has said that the company has handed over 30 single-seater Tejas Mk-1 fighter aircraft out of the 32 units that were ordered by the Indian Air Force and one aircraft is currently waiting for the Air Force to take delivery and another aircraft will be handed over next month after carrying out mandated flight trials.

The Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) division has switched to manufacturing 18 Tejas trainers and HAL plans to deliver four trainer aircraft this year and the rest 14 trainers by 2024.
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HAL Earnings call Q4FY22

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All 32 1-seater (out of the initial order of 40 IOC and FOC Tejas) have already been manufactured. Now comes the rumor part - 2 LCA have been configured for LCAMK1A testing. We know at least one FOC and one LSP (LSP-8) have been earmarked for LCAMK1A validation and testing. There is additional confusion that maybe 2 FOC aircraft have been earmarked (plus LSP 8) or just 2 FOC.
It looks from the report that two of these FOC aircraft are not delivered may point to the fact that they are being tested for the LCAMK1A version.
The situation is as clear as mud. Let's wait for more snippets before any conclusion can be drawn.
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How is HAL going to start delivering Mk1A by 2024 when it is busy with mk1 FOC standard Trainers?
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i thought we are showing interest in F-16 / F-18; why is US showing interest in Tejas. Does not make sense. Not that i am unhappy and for sure would like Tejas to be exported but still
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Such reports should be taken with bucket full of Salt
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https://www.financialexpress.com/defenc ... n/2663915/
https://www.malaysiandefence.com/delayed-flit-lca/

Malaysia could be close to announcing a decision.
The article says Tejas is the costliest of the fighters at $ 32 million other than Mig-35. There was an other report specifying the whole package of Tejas fighter and support at 3.75 billion Ringgit and cheaper than F-50 at 4.2 billion.
All the best to Tejas!
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JTull wrote:How is HAL going to start delivering Mk1A by 2024 when it is busy with mk1 FOC standard Trainers?
FOC trainers will all get delivered by 2024 and the production will shift to MK1A. 4 trainers are to be delivered this year and the balance 14 will most likely get delivered by march 2024. Thereafter, the production will shift to MK1A, which hopefully will have completed the mandated tests by then.
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mody wrote:
JTull wrote:How is HAL going to start delivering Mk1A by 2024 when it is busy with mk1 FOC standard Trainers?
FOC trainers will all get delivered by 2024 and the production will shift to MK1A. 4 trainers are to be delivered this year and the balance 14 will most likely get delivered by march 2024. Thereafter, the production will shift to MK1A, which hopefully will have completed the mandated tests by then.
I have a follow up question. Will both 8+8 assembly lines be converted for trainers or only one?
Can the jigs and fixtures be used without changes for both fighter and trainer versions? If changes are needed, how much time will they take?
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Yes. The Mk1A has no fuselage changes to Mk1.
All internal rearrangement.
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No conversion required of jigs.
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Rakesh and members,
Do we want to close this thread after delivery of the last two or keep it open till the trainers get delivered?
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ramana wrote:Rakesh and members,
Do we want to close this thread after delivery of the last two or keep it open till the trainers get delivered?
Ramana-ji, my vote is to keep this thread open till the Mk1 continues to stay in service. I am referring to the 32 single seat variants. Unless they convert them to the Mk1A variant, it would always be beneficial to have a thread devoted to this aircraft.
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BenG wrote:
mody wrote:
FOC trainers will all get delivered by 2024 and the production will shift to MK1A. 4 trainers are to be delivered this year and the balance 14 will most likely get delivered by march 2024. Thereafter, the production will shift to MK1A, which hopefully will have completed the mandated tests by then.
I have a follow up question. Will both 8+8 assembly lines be converted for trainers or only one?
Can the jigs and fixtures be used without changes for both fighter and trainer versions? If changes are needed, how much time will they take?
No idea about this. Maybe someone like Indranil might know better. However, I recall that the line for trainers was to be separate. Maybe the line would get converted to producing single seat variants, once the trainers were delivered.
Currently HAL can build 12 single seat per annum only, as the things stand. They will increase this to 16, once production for the Mk1A starts. That too will happen from the 2nd year, i.e. 2025 only. In 2024, HAL will be able to produce 8-12 Tejas MK1A only.
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LCA Tejas is very capable aircraft, has world-class missiles: IAF official

Coming from practitioners. Not very good reporting by the ANI reporter, but we can understand.
Commanding Officer of 45 squadrons of Indian Air Force also called Flying daggers, Group captain Syamantak Roy on Thursday said Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas is very capable aircraft and is equipped with world-class missiles.

"The Sular [Sulur] Air Force base lies in the center of the southern peninsula, which ensures that we have reached not only overland towards the north and towards the east, but also over the seas to the east, west and to the south. That makes us a very capable aircraft in terms of projecting our combat force all over the country," Roy told here.

The group captain further added that kind of weapon that the aircraft carries is phenomenal and that makes the combat capability of the aircraft tremendous and pretty lethal in its role.


Roy explained the LCA is configured for carrying short-term thermal missiles as well as long-range beyond visual range missiles and both of them are world-class.

"We also carry 1000 pound conventional bombs along with laser-guided Bombs precision targeting and overall air to air as well as air to ground weapons makes us a multirole aircraft," he added.

Roy explains that currently, the component in terms of cost and in terms of indigenisation is about 60 per cent and in terms of the number of competent aircraft is close to 75 per cent and the percentage is increasing on a day-to-day basis in terms of Indigenisation.

Wing commander Ashish Moghe, PRO Indian Air Force said that Sulur is the base which houses two squadrons of Light Combat Aircraft and it also houses the Sarang helicopter display team.

Moghe backed the combat capability of LCA Tejas and said Indian Air Force based on threat perceptions is fully prepared to undertake any task which is given to it.

Group captain M Surendran who is a pilot of LCA Tejas said the aircraft is presently with the Indian Air Force are fully operational and able to deploy itself operationally for taking on any task that is given by the Indian Air Force. (ANI)
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No news on the integration of Astra, RudraM1 and SAAW on the Tejas MK1. The integration of all of these was supposed to be ongoing, but not tests seem to have been conducted so far. Astra should have been the first one tested by now.
The I-Derby (don't know if its the new 'ER' variant or not) and Python-V have been tested from the Tejas MK1, along with the R-73E, which has been operational from a long time.
For air to ground, the Griffin-III LGB has been integrated and tested from the Tejas, along with a range of dumb bombs. Don't know of any other PGMs that have been integrated with the Tejas?

Any news on further weapons integration with the Tejas MK1?

Is there going to be a change or upgrade to the mission computer for the Mk-1A? If yes, then maybe some of the further weapons integration may get delayed, till the current MK1s get upgraded to the MK1A standard. The radar will change and maybe the mission computer will get upgraded. In which case, the current I-Derby, especially the ER variant might suffice for the 32 MK1 aircrafts, till the time that they are upgraded to the Mk1A standard. In all probability, the upgrade would involve the Uttam Aesa for these 32 units. Subsequent to which they would perhaps get both the Astra and Astra MK-2.
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mody wrote:
For air to ground, the Griffin-III LGB has been integrated and tested from the Tejas, along with a range of dumb bombs. Don't know of any other PGMs that have been integrated with the Tejas?
Paveway-II. Around 10 years back.
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mody wrote:No news on the integration of Astra, RudraM1 and SAAW on the Tejas MK1. The integration of all of these was supposed to be ongoing, but not tests seem to have been conducted so far. Astra should have been the first one tested by now.
The I-Derby (don't know if its the new 'ER' variant or not) and Python-V have been tested from the Tejas MK1, along with the R-73E, which has been operational from a long time.
For air to ground, the Griffin-III LGB has been integrated and tested from the Tejas, along with a range of dumb bombs. Don't know of any other PGMs that have been integrated with the Tejas?
IAF is under no obligation to share details of the systems it integrates on the Tejas publicly. We will get to know intermittently or at opportune times.
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ashishvikas wrote:IAF Tejas squadron at AFS Sulur

https://mobile.twitter.com/DefenceDecod ... Ek0sw&s=19
Some close up shots of this event...what a truly beautiful sight.

https://twitter.com/VivekSi85847001/sta ... pxiyMr05Vg ---> India LCA Tejas Lineup. Best Tejas line up ever. First IOC & then FOC (IFR Probe) Tejas can be seen. Eventually all IOC & FOC will be further upgraded to Mk1A standard. Similarly flight engineer checking Tejas engine of mighty Tejas.

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Can scale up output of Tejas fighters for exports, operational needs, say officials.

India can scale up production of the indigenous Tejas light combat aircraft to meet operational requirements and export orders, defence ministry officials said, claiming that delays in deliveries are now a thing of the past.

The single-engine Tejas fighter is already the frontrunner to bag a Malaysian order for 18 light twin-seat fighter trainers despite strong
competition from Chinese JF-17, South Korean FA-50 and Russian MiG-35 and Yak-130 jets. "Moreover, there are also inquiries about the fighter from
Argentina, Egypt and the Philippines, among others," a senior official told TOI on Sunday.

The current production rate of Tejas by defence PSU Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) is eight aircraft per year but "additional capacity is now
available" to enhance it. "It is not difficult," the official said.

The plan is to progressively scale up the production rate to 16 Tejas per year for deliveries of the 73 "improved" Mark-1A fighters and 10 trainers to the IAF, which is slated to begin in February 2024 and end by February 2029.

"The production rate can even be increased to 24 aircraft per year if they are export orders or the IAF needs more. If there are confirmed orders, investments can be made to install additional jigs and fixtures," another official said.

The cabinet committee on security had last month also approved the over Rs 9,000 crore development of a much more capable and powerful Mark-2 version of the Tejas, which will be followed by another mega project for an ambitious fifth generation stealth fighter, as was then reported by TOI.
The slow production rate of the Tejas, which is now also being armed with the French 'Hammer' air-to-ground precision-guide munitions like Rafale fighter jets, has been a major lingering concern over the years.

The two IAF Tejas squadrons, the 'Flying Daggers' and 'Flying Bullets' at Sulur, have till now inducted only 30 of the original order for 40 Tejas Mark-1 fighters, which were all slated for delivery by December 2016 under two contracts worth Rs 8,802 crore inked earlier.

"Deliveries are now picking up. The first of the eight trainers in the original 40 Tejas is ready. All of the eight trainers will be delivered before the deliveries of the next 83 jets begin in February 2024," the official said. "Tejas is a very cost-effective aircraft," he added.

The IAF desperately needs these 123 Tejas aircraft to add to the strength of its fighter squadrons, which is down to just 32 (each has 16-18 jets) when at least 42 are required for the requisite deterrence against the "collusive threat" from China and Pakistan.

The Tejas Mark-1A fighters will have 43 "improvements" over the Mark-1 jets. They include AESA (active electronically scanned array) radars to replace existing mechanically-steered radars, air-to-air refuelling, long-range BVR (beyond visual range) missiles and advanced electronic warfare to jam enemy radars and missiles, though the majority of them are designed to improve maintenance. Indigenous content of the jets will also progressively reach 60% by the end of the deliveries.
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ashishvikas wrote:IAF Tejas squadron at AFS Sulur

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Vips wrote:Can scale up output of Tejas fighters for exports, operational needs, say officials.

India can scale up production of the indigenous Tejas light combat aircraft to meet operational requirements and export orders, defence ministry officials said, claiming that delays in deliveries are now a thing of the past.


The Tejas Mark-1A fighters will have 43 "improvements" over the Mark-1 jets. They include AESA (active electronically scanned array) radars to replace existing mechanically-steered radars, air-to-air refuelling, long-range BVR (beyond visual range) missiles and advanced electronic warfare to jam enemy radars and missiles, though the majority of them are designed to improve maintenance. Indigenous content of the jets will also progressively reach 60% by the end of the deliveries.

one hopes we will less "desperate" requirements now that we have the capacity to roll out more. Now it comes to the bean counters !
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Karan M wrote:
mody wrote:No news on the integration of Astra, RudraM1 and SAAW on the Tejas MK1. The integration of all of these was supposed to be ongoing, but not tests seem to have been conducted so far. Astra should have been the first one tested by now.
The I-Derby (don't know if its the new 'ER' variant or not) and Python-V have been tested from the Tejas MK1, along with the R-73E, which has been operational from a long time.
For air to ground, the Griffin-III LGB has been integrated and tested from the Tejas, along with a range of dumb bombs. Don't know of any other PGMs that have been integrated with the Tejas?
IAF is under no obligation to share details of the systems it integrates on the Tejas publicly. We will get to know intermittently or at opportune times.
Well IAF or HAL or ADA is under no obligation to reveal anything publicly. As long as the people that matter know about the progress that would suffice.

However, the videos of the tests for Python-V and I-Derby were released to the public. Also, photos of the Astra MK1 mounted on the Tejas for ground trials were also released to the public, along with the news that further tests related carriage separation and flight tests would be carried out. However, nothing further has been known thereafter, hence the question about further progress. That too if something was known in public about the same only. Nothing better than having our own weapons on our own platform.

Apart from that there was a speculation from my end in my original post about this subject, that maybe the further integration of weapons, both Indian and imported might happen on the Tejas, post the upgrade to the MK1A standard or basically for the MK1A standard only, as the radar is all set to be changed and perhaps the mission computer might also get upgraded. In such a scenario, integrating the new weapons directly on the Tejas MK1A might make better sense. Also, the current set of air to air missiles (Python-V, R-73E, I-Derby-ER) on the MK1 are sufficient for now.
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