Air Force Tejas Mk1: News & Discussions: 02 January 2022

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https://twitter.com/i/status/1629153559768887299

Best ever video of the Tejas I've seen.
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Srikanth P wrote:https://twitter.com/i/status/1629153559768887299

Best ever video of the Tejas I've seen.
some are calling this the Mk1A - any confirmations?

here is an old post :
https://twitter.com/Archit_Ch/status/15 ... 2Fpage-197
statsing that this air frame (SP-25 (LA-5021)) was allotted to HAL as mk1A test bed
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SSridhar wrote:It's also a 3-week long exercise! Great going. Interesting to watch the performance.
I am wary that other air forces would be able to get Tejas's low RCS now.
Not that their estimates would be very far off but getting the real RCS would allow them to assess our capability in this regard.

And there is a risk of UAE (who possess Pakistani officers) ,Unkil,France sharing such sensitive information to Pakistan/China in exchange of something from them in future. Do we need any sort of Luneberg lens etc ?

On another note, Do we have the list of aircrafts types participating in this Exercise ? Google Chacha didn't help
Countries participating :-
  • US
  • South Korea
  • Spain
  • Morocco
  • Bahrain
  • UK
  • Australia
  • Kuwait
  • France
  • UAE
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Tejas isn't a LO aircraft. It's RCS will be definitely in the 1-3 sq mtr or even more range, especially when fitted out with weapons etc. As long as we don't expose it's active EW suite & all it's radar modes, we are OK.
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It seems Malaysia also has gone with the Korean trainer, not the Tejas.
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LCA Tejas have already trained with Singapore Air Force F-16 in month long exercise in Nov-Dec.

There must have been several DAC exercises with Mirage-2000, Mig-29, etc.

This UAE trip will be a good test of squadron's combat readiness against familiar platforms in the hands of unfamiliar adversaries.
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JTull wrote:LCA Tejas have already trained with Singapore Air Force F-16 in month long exercise in Nov-Dec.

There must have been several DAC exercises with Mirage-2000, Mig-29, etc.

This UAE trip will be a good test of squadron's combat readiness against familiar platforms in the hands of unfamiliar adversaries.
For sure the Tejas has been involved in DACT against all IAF types. So the Tejas crews will have some tactics in place honed with practice against Mirage-2000 and Rafale fighters.

But the overall exposure to tactics and large force engagements will be different than what they've had so far. Desert Flag involves many nations and many fighter types that we don't operate, including F-35, Eurofighters (from Spain and UK). They'll also see plenty of F-16 action given Bahrain, Morocco and Greece will be bringing their F-16s and the host nation will use it's F-16 Block 60. Given that the F-16 is still PAF's primary threat, this will definitely help in evolving tactics against F-16s.
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https://twitter.com/UTobyM/status/16325 ... 31139?s=20 ---> People look at the Tejas LCA and see an airplane. It's actually much more than that; an ecosystem of airplane design, prototyping, flight-testing, production, and finally, induction & deployment. The LCA experience will lead to bigger things. Kudos to HAL & ADA. We learn by doing.

https://twitter.com/UTobyM/status/16325 ... 45792?s=20 ---> By moving away from a dependence on Russian imports and focusing on building locally, India is building a tremendous aerospace ecosystem. This decade is going to be tremendous. #MakeInIndia

https://twitter.com/UTobyM/status/16325 ... 03424?s=20 ---> Collaborations with Western companies like Airbus, Boeing, Bell Helicopter, Dassault, GE, Lockheed Martin, P&W, Rolls Royce, and Safran bring world-class skills, practices and knowledge to India. Importantly, they bring access to competitive global markets, too.

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Vayu Aerospace Review

Maiden successful flight-test of Power Take off (PTO) Shaft was conducted on Light Combat Aircraft Tejas Limited Series Production LSP-3 in Bengaluru today. The PTO shaft is indigenously designed and developed by Combat Vehicles Research & Development Establishment (CVRDE)/DRDO

(.... cont
PTO shaft is a critical component in the aircraft & will support requirements of future fighter aircraft & their variants. With this test, DRDO has achieved a greater technological feat by realisation of complex high-speed rotor technology which only few countries have.)

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Courtesy Twitter


DRDO @DRDO_India
#DRDOUpdates | DRDO today successfully conducted Maiden flight test of Power Take off (PTO) shaft with LCA Tejas. PTO is critical high speed power transmission system of aircraft & was designed and developed with patented technology by CVRDE.
#Aatmanirbharbharat @DefenceMinIndia

https://twitter.com/DRDO_India/status/1 ... 2413846528


https://twitter.com/DRDO_India/status/1 ... 28/photo/1
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IAF officers - involved in the Tejas program - providing a written reply to the PCD (Parliamentary Committee on Defence) via the MoD.

https://twitter.com/sriramthg/status/16 ... 59745?s=20 --->

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Very happy to read that testimony to the Parliament committe..
Hope the Pressitutes stop their Randi Rona, all the time led by Coupta.
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Wow! Some great points made by people who have the most to lose (their lives) if the aircraft does not fly as per specs
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What were the results of the exercise?
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3rd Assembly line of LCA Tejas will be inaugurated on 07th April 2023.
This will take the overall LCA production capacity to 28. If Kiran hanger is considered its 32 aircraft.

https://twitter.com/alpha_defense/statu ... VZJRA&s=19
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Fantastic news.
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TEJASTIC news!

A new production line for TEJAS will be established by @HALHQBLR at HAL'S Nasik plant on 7th April 2023. This will increase the production capacity to 24-26 aircraft per year.
so more samosas to finish the green chutney;)
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https://twitter.com/RETHIK5706/status/1 ... tjmWg&s=19

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ashishvikas wrote:TEJASTIC news!
Tejastic indeed! :mrgreen:

Once inaugurated, I will add it in the first post of this thread and the Tejas Mk1A thread, under the Milestones Achieved sub-heading.

This third line will undercut the "We-will-determine-order-size-based-on-production-capacity."

Burn to the ground that nonsensical line of reasoning. April 07, 2023 will be a lungi dance moment.

Whatever cost incurred in setting up this line is WORTH EVERY PENNY. It will pay off in Tejas Mk1A, Tejas Mk2, AMCA, TEDBF, etc.

Any day better than wasting money on 114 MRFA.
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ashishvikas wrote:3rd Assembly line of LCA Tejas will be inaugurated on 07th April 2023.
This will take the overall LCA production capacity to 28. If Kiran hanger is considered its 32 aircraft.

https://twitter.com/alpha_defense/statu ... VZJRA&s=19
@ 28 aircraft per year, the 73 Mk1A + 10 twin seater Mk1 order can be fulfilled in under 3 years.

@ 32 aircraft per year, the 73 Mk1A + 10 twin seater Mk1 order can be fulfilled in ~ 2.5 years. Place the additional order of 50+ Mk1As and then the Kiran hangar can be added to increase capacity to 32 aircraft per year.

Now that the production capacity has been sufficiently answered, get ready to hear the following arguments from the import pasands;

* Tsk, Tsk. Tejas MK1 and Mk1A does not have range or endurance like Rafale or F-15EX.

* F-21 can be produced at the rate of 30/aircraft per month. 28 (or even 32) Tejas per year is too little.

Get ready for that. That train is never late.
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IAF is implicitly presented with the following choices
1. Order more tejas. Immediate results
2. See a reduction in sqdn strength, while waiting for MRFA to materialize (deal signing +delivery). Well keep guessing the timelines. F21 can come quick but the deal signing is not happening before 2 years and no plane before that with tejas the time to sign deal can be cut
2. try get more of same (sU 30, Mirage). Keep guessing teh timelines
I am hoping till the time Mk2 comes more Mk1as will be ordered
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Very pleased with this progress. With this new production line, we can circumvent the delay in Mk2 first flight and the beginning of its production. I also believe we will add 1 - 2 more lines to accommodate the TEBDF production run, HLFT-42 (if it fructifies) & any eventual exports of Mk1A or Mk2 in the future. Now the question to be asked is, who would have foot the bill for this new production line? If it were to be from HAL's internal funds, was it factored into the cost of Mk1A? Or are they converting the existing Su-30 MKI line to Tejas or is it a greenfield project? Any insights?
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Hope all the jubilation comes true

Seen to many KLPD's :|
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I was looking forward to nashik production line. Nashik line was conceived for exports. Though Malaysia did not work out, HAL has made a wise decision. Oficially 24 Tejas per year is the capacity, could be 28 if Kiran hanger continues. Ball is in IAF to place the 50 mk1a second batch order. Some seniors quoted IAF doesn't have the capacity to absorb more than 1 squadron an year. Hope IAF fixes this soon.

Amidst all this jingoism, we have conveniently forgotten that HAL is supposed to deliver 4 mk1 trainers by FY 2022-23. But we have reports of only 1 flying.
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This assembly line has not appeared out of nowhere.
HAL chairman is well aware of it and still he has given the timelines very recently.
If HAL chairman is not revising the timelines despite knowledge of new assembly line, why the respected members here like to make news out of it related to timelines?
What should be though discussed in detail here is a out past announcements from ADA and why those are not at all in sync with HAL announcements.
Why there is no accountability while making announcements from DRDO/ADA?
I myself feel cheated though I am nobody. Why IAF should believe them?
Of course there could be number of reasons but they were making announcements without any disclaimers and as if all is in place and taken care.

As simple as rollout of mk2 is not being managed by them?
Russia presented full scale model of su-75 but we could not even manage to present mk2 in aero India.
Was there any criteria that it should be ready with all subsystems to present in aero India?

Sometimes this forum disappoints me w.r.t. raising obvious questions.
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Avinandan wrote:
SSridhar wrote:It's also a 3-week long exercise! Great going. Interesting to watch the performance.
I am wary that other air forces would be able to get Tejas's low RCS now.
Not that their estimates would be very far off but getting the real RCS would allow them to assess our capability in this regard.

And there is a risk of UAE (who possess Pakistani officers) ,Unkil,France sharing such sensitive information to Pakistan/China in exchange of something from them in future. Do we need any sort of Luneberg lens etc ?

On another note, Do we have the list of aircrafts types participating in this Exercise ? Google Chacha didn't help
Countries participating :-
  • US
  • South Korea
  • Spain
  • Morocco
  • Bahrain
  • UK
  • Australia
  • Kuwait
  • France
  • UAE
Pray tell what is radar range impact if actual Tejas frontal RCS is 2 sqM or 0.5 sqM? And non-frontal RCS is 6 or 3 sqM?
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BenG wrote:..... Ball is in IAF to place the 50 mk1a second batch order. Some seniors quoted IAF doesn't have the capacity to absorb more than 1 squadron an year. Hope IAF fixes this soon..
Fantastic IAF staff we have.
Number plating 2 or more sqn per year is within their capability.
Crying that 114 MRFA (6 Sqns) is essential to not lose next air skirmish, but only if sipping at 1 sqn per year for 6 years then absorb 200 (12 Sqn) Tejas in next 12 yrs. Then AMCA over 10 yrs. Then we will be ready to fight PLAAF with 20 yrs old technology.

Such worthy Air staff should be cashiered for exhibiting such unobtainium poweress. :rotfl:
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ashishvikas wrote:TEJASTIC news!

A new production line for TEJAS will be established by @HALHQBLR at HAL'S Nasik plant on 7th April 2023. This will increase the production capacity to 24-26 aircraft per year.
WOW! Once this line is ready maybe in 3-4 years, we will be capable of adding 1 squadron/year. With additional Rafales, MRFA, Tejas MK1, MK2 we might be able to reach the desired 42 sqn number by 2035. This is great news for desi MIC.
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Haridas wrote:
BenG wrote:..... Ball is in IAF to place the 50 mk1a second batch order. Some seniors quoted IAF doesn't have the capacity to absorb more than 1 squadron an year. Hope IAF fixes this soon..
Fantastic IAF staff we have.
Such worthy Air staff should be cashiered for exhibiting such unobtainium poweress. :rotfl:
HAL itself is not exactly the most shining example of aerospace tech prowess. Lets hope atleast with 3 production lines they churn out 1 squadron a year.
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hemant_sai wrote:This assembly line has not appeared out of nowhere.
HAL chairman is well aware of it and still he has given the timelines very recently.
...
Sometimes this forum disappoints me w.r.t. raising obvious questions.
Yup! DRDO/HAL should learn to shut up and let their work do the talking.
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BenG wrote:
Haridas wrote: Fantastic IAF staff we have.
Such worthy Air staff should be cashiered for exhibiting such unobtainium poweress. :rotfl:
HAL itself is not exactly the most shining example of aerospace tech prowess. Lets hope atleast with 3 production lines they churn out 1 squadron a year.
That is not my point.

As an aside past performance is no guarantee of future returns. Common financial disclaimer.
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Why delay fighter jets for IAF, says the Parliamentary Committee on Defence
Observing the incessant delays over the procurement of fighter jets, the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Defence has said that the government should not delay the procurement of additional fighter jets.

The procurement of additional fighter jets should not be delayed any further said the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Defence in its report tabled in the House.


“The government should consider buying state-of-the-art fifth-generation fighter aircraft over the counter without losing time to keep the force in a comfortable position,” the committee said.


The Committee also asked the government to make a final decision on having a third aircraft carrier, “In no uncertain words, [we] recommend that the Ministry of Defence may take a final decision, chalk out a trajectory and start the planning process for the third aircraft carrier which would eventually enhance India’s maritime capabilities,” the parliamentary panel said in its report on March 21.

The committee also said it found “considerable delay” in the supply of 40 LCA Tejas jets from Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), a public sector defence undertaking.

As reported earlier by Financial Express, the Indian Air Force (IAF)’s mega $20 billion Multi-Role Fighter Aircraft (MRFA) programme is nowhere in sight. Against the fast-depleting squadron of the IAF, the MRFA programme which is about acquiring 114 Multi-Role Fighter Aircraft, is one such programme that the Indian Armed Forces and the Government are treating as important.

Besides, there are multiple projects underway in India’s aerospace ecosystem. The HAL along with Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) is working together to build Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA). Tejas MK2 is another ambitious project which is evolving out of HAL’s Tejas fighter aircraft design. Tejas MK2 is building upon Mark 1A.

While so many programmes are about taking a leap in India’s manufacturing technology, the focus for IAF remains on the need for next-generation tech-ready combat jets for potential future conflicts. Simply put, the IAF has to fulfil its mandate if such situations arise. The IAF’s Perspective Plan looks at it in terms of its combat asset which is broadly defined as 42 squadrons. At present, IAF has 30 squadrons. Further, the IAF is phasing out its remaining four MiG-21 squadrons by 2025, bringing the squadron strength to its lowest.
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The more I read this, the more I'm convinced that import lobby is pushing for MRFA and intentionally delaying Indian projects...
But I also see some hope coz. there seem to be some ppl within Govt. who are pushing for indigenization and trying their best to push back the import lobby...
However, things seem to be going nowhere within IAF due to this tug of war...
It is kind of frustrating coz. I'm coming back to this forum after many months and almost all threads seem to be where they were before...
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Did tejas mk1A weight reduction ever happen?
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We have to ask Prasad to interview the Tejas Mk1A team.
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Haridas wrote:
BenG wrote:..... Ball is in IAF to place the 50 mk1a second batch order. Some seniors quoted IAF doesn't have the capacity to absorb more than 1 squadron an year. Hope IAF fixes this soon..
Fantastic IAF staff we have.
Number plating 2 or more sqn per year is within their capability.
Crying that 114 MRFA (6 Sqns) is essential to not lose next air skirmish, but only if sipping at 1 sqn per year for 6 years then absorb 200 (12 Sqn) Tejas in next 12 yrs. Then AMCA over 10 yrs. Then we will be ready to fight PLAAF with 20 yrs old technology.

Such worthy Air staff should be cashiered for exhibiting such unobtainium poweress. :rotfl:
Exactly, now wasn't the IAF that mentioned it needed both tejas AND 112 MRFA to complete 32 sq by 2030 , something does not add up. Does it mean the IAF can "absorb" more foreign fighters than desi mal, no disrespect!!
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sudeepj wrote:Did tejas mk1A weight reduction ever happen?
LCA Mk1 carries 300-400Kg of ballast to manage centre of gravity. LRUs placement is getting reorganised to make it easier to access and maintain, with need for nearly 200kg of ballast being negated as a result.

Added later:
Found couple of tweets by HVT which state that entire ballast has been removed.

https://twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/15682 ... 97922?s=20
Do you mean Mk-1A? No ballast.
https://twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/15703 ... 06625?s=20
Q. "is the ballast/overweight problem solved in Tejas Mk-II?"

My simplistic response to a negative perception created against LCA & Indian industry. When we can openly debate ballast on F16/J10/JF17 or Su30/M2K, then we will discuss LCA. Till then
Negligible Ballast = No Ballast
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So, did any of the Mk1 Trainers get delivered to the IAF by March 31st? What is their status now?
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Company Parameter Status
HAL On-time Delivery NA
DRDO On-time Delivery NA

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