Air Force Tejas Mk1: News & Discussions: 02 January 2022

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Hope its true. Will make a lot of sense.

Its better to scramble a Tejas than a Sukhoi or Mig-29K. The former is not only cheaper to operate but also has better fatigue life/MTBF

As someone commented on Twitter, this "no war, no peace" stalemate at the LAC begs for precisely a Tejas type of a fighter!

The IAF might want mediums & heavies, but are they going to scramble a Rafale each time they are buzzed by a J-10?
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Both Japan & Taiwan are being subjected to similar wear & tear by repeated incursions by PLAAF. It is a similar tactic.
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There is a good way to stop this. Once a year, we accidentally shoot down a fighter that intruded via a SAM. If they scream, we tell them that they have been violating ROE for a year and intruding in our airspace. It has put our troops on trigger alert and in that kind of a situation, this is bound to happen.

Give a Vir Chakra to the SAM unit that does this!

If we want something slightly less escalatory, have a SAM team lock on to the fighter, let the fighter know he is painted, fire off a missile and detonate it half-way to the target. Scare the crap out of him.

All the buzzing will stop.
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Aditya_V wrote:Will post on the Airforce thread , saw this tweet don'tknow how Authentic it is

https://twitter.com/defencealerts/statu ... 8885392384

#IndianAirForce to deploy 1st #Tejas MK1 Squadron "Flying Daggers" on the eastern front to tackle rising scrambles of fighter jets in the area that has heightened tensions with #China on the #Ladakh front.
A number of the Indian defence twitter accounts are reporting this. Will wait for official confirmation.

https://twitter.com/TheLegateIN/status/ ... FaIs6I1tzg ---> HAL Tejas may soon do DCA/BARCAP sorties along India's borders.
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They should carry SIGNIT payloads as they fly with some AA weapon (and if needed fuel tanks).
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Rakesh wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:Will post on the Airforce thread , saw this tweet don'tknow how Authentic it is

https://twitter.com/defencealerts/statu ... 8885392384

#IndianAirForce to deploy 1st #Tejas MK1 Squadron "Flying Daggers" on the eastern front to tackle rising scrambles of fighter jets in the area that has heightened tensions with #China on the #Ladakh front.
A number of the Indian defence twitter accounts are reporting this. Will wait for official confirmation.

https://twitter.com/TheLegateIN/status/ ... FaIs6I1tzg ---> HAL Tejas may soon do DCA/BARCAP sorties along India's borders.
https://twitter.com/JamesBondMI6GB/stat ... JZAuXLILPw ---> Prudent that IAF bumps up its Mk1A orders. Daily scrambles of Su-30/Rafale are not going to be sustainable in the long run.
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Rakesh,

The IAF wants the MRFA for the scrambles no!!!

These khayalo pulaos of more MK1A orders..

I am now at the stage when I will only accept the acceptance of MK1A or MK2 in service when they are in active squadron service until then it is all the MoD and AirHQ maya jaal.
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fanne wrote:They should carry SIGNIT payloads as they fly with some AA weapon (and if needed fuel tanks).
If they are on ORP duties then then will be light as possible and with as much weaponry required to interdict if required.

Anything else will add weight penalties.

They are first line of defence only...
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fanne wrote:They should carry SIGNIT payloads as they fly with some AA weapon (and if needed fuel tanks).

A fighter of any discription is a poor platform for SIGINT. It is very good for provoking a response from the enemy system. Which in turn is analysed by the dedicated systems.
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Tejas: The Fighter Jet That Took India Decades To Build And Fly
https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/07/tej ... d-and-fly/
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ramana wrote:Tejas: The Fighter Jet That Took India Decades To Build And Fly
https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/07/tej ... d-and-fly/
The hit jobs continue....that train is never late :roll:
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When is he going to fly the Tejas Mk1?

https://twitter.com/alpha_defense/statu ... NPltep2yPQ ---> Air Chief Marshal VR Chaudhari PVSM AVSM VM ADC will fly a MiG-21 sortie soon.
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Is this some sort of morale-boosting exercise to show why the boys must continue to fly coffins while Tejas orders are kept down?
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Rakesh wrote:When is he going to fly the Tejas Mk1?

https://twitter.com/alpha_defense/statu ... NPltep2yPQ ---> Air Chief Marshal VR Chaudhari PVSM AVSM VM ADC will fly a MiG-21 sortie soon.
But they will not order LCA Sport!!
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No sir we need more imported maal onlee. Even if it will cost a fortune and take 5 more years than the LCA to start arriving. Unbelievable.
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There is no need for the AM to fly in a MiG-21 any more for any reason. I agree with other members here ...he should fly Tejas of all varieties to show his support for indigenous products. Although an IAF MiG-21 did take down a PAF F-16 in the recent past.
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Luxtor wrote:I agree with other members here ...he should fly Tejas of all varieties to show his support for indigenous products.
+108
Although an IAF MiG-21 did take down a PAF F-16 in the recent past.
I think this is more of a testament to the skill and training of the pilot than the capability of the platform.
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IAF retiring one MiG-21 squadron by September end, entire fleet to be phased out by 2025
Amid recent crashes involving its vintage Russian combat aircraft fleet, the Indian Air Force is now going to retire one more squadron of the MiG-21 Bison aircraft by September 30.

On Thursday evening, a MiG-21 Type 69 Trainer aircraft crashed in Barmer, Rajasthan killing both the pilots including a youngster Flight Lieutenant A Bal and Wing Commander Rana.

“The 51 Squadron based out of Srinagar air base is being number plated on September 30. After this, only three squadrons of the planes would be left in service and would be phased out by the year 2025,” sources in the IAF told ANI.

Now every year, one squadron each of these planes would be number plated, they said.

The 51 squadron is famous for thwarting Pakistan’s aerial attack on India on February 27, 2019, and taking out an F-16 in an aircraft flown by Wing Commander (now Group Captain) Abhinandan Varthaman.

This is the only instance when a MiG-21 aircraft brought down an F-16 in air-to-air combat, the sources said.

The IAF has been replacing the MiG-21 fighter jets with more capable aircraft like the Su-30 and the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft (LCA).

In the last 20 months, 6 MiG-21s have been lost in crashes in which five pilots have lost their lives.

The MiG-21s were supposed to be retired a long time ago but delays in induction of the LCA Tejas aircraft have forced the IAF to continue flying these planes.

The IAF carries out extensive checks on these planes before flying and all safety aspects are taken care of before the pilot takes off, the officials said.

The number-plated squadron would be reactivated soon with a more capable aircraft in the near future, the officials said.
https://theprint.in/india/iaf-retiring- ... 5/1060230/
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sanjayc wrote:IAF retiring one MiG-21 squadron by September end, entire fleet to be phased out by 2025
Amid recent crashes involving its vintage Russian combat aircraft fleet, the Indian Air Force is now going to retire one more squadron of the MiG-21 Bison aircraft by September 30.

On Thursday evening, a MiG-21 Type 69 Trainer aircraft crashed in Barmer, Rajasthan killing both the pilots including a youngster Flight Lieutenant A Bal and Wing Commander Rana.

“The 51 Squadron based out of Srinagar air base is being number plated on September 30. After this, only three squadrons of the planes would be left in service and would be phased out by the year 2025,” sources in the IAF told ANI.

Now every year, one squadron each of these planes would be number plated, they said.

The 51 squadron is famous for thwarting Pakistan’s aerial attack on India on February 27, 2019, and taking out an F-16 in an aircraft flown by Wing Commander (now Group Captain) Abhinandan Varthaman.

This is the only instance when a MiG-21 aircraft brought down an F-16 in air-to-air combat, the sources said.

The IAF has been replacing the MiG-21 fighter jets with more capable aircraft like the Su-30 and the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft (LCA).

In the last 20 months, 6 MiG-21s have been lost in crashes in which five pilots have lost their lives.

The MiG-21s were supposed to be retired a long time ago but delays in induction of the LCA Tejas aircraft have forced the IAF to continue flying these planes.

The IAF carries out extensive checks on these planes before flying and all safety aspects are taken care of before the pilot takes off, the officials said.

The number-plated squadron would be reactivated soon with a more capable aircraft in the near future, the officials said.
https://theprint.in/india/iaf-retiring- ... 5/1060230/
Still perpetuating that it’s LCA’s fault for this situation. IAF’s refusal to order the type early or in serious numbers is the issue. Before March 2021 only 40 had ever been committed to and that too across three different specifications
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If four squadrons of Bisons are to be retired how come only two Mk1 were ordered with great reluctance?
Also quite a few crashes of the un-upgraded two seat trainers. In fact 2/ of the 6 crashes were trainers.
How come IAF doesn't want to talk about that?
Or is that linked to Mk1 trainers?
Every time a Mig 21 crashes killing the pilots the IAF high command incompetence shows up.
ACMs flying Mig 21 is not the solution for that plane could get special maintenance and probably in broad daylight.
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Everytime a Mig21B crashes, the AF believes all they need to do is fly another AM or the CAS on the Mig21B and all is well.

This is their answer to the families of the bereaved.

In his interview, ex-CAS Dhanoa seems to imply the loss of lives due to human error - "fighters are fitted with ejection and you are supposed to get out.." Pathetic!
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sanjayc wrote:IAF retiring one MiG-21 squadron by September end, entire fleet to be phased out by 2025
In the last 20 months, 6 MiG-21s have been lost in crashes in which five pilots have lost their lives.

The MiG-21s were supposed to be retired a long time ago but delays in induction of the LCA Tejas aircraft have forced the IAF to continue flying these planes.
https://theprint.in/india/iaf-retiring- ... 5/1060230/

Conveniently shifting the blame now. who is responsible for delay in induction of Tejas if not IAF with their obsession with phoren maal and shifting goalposts for tejas induction
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Rony wrote:
sanjayc wrote:IAF retiring one MiG-21 squadron by September end, entire fleet to be phased out by 2025



https://theprint.in/india/iaf-retiring- ... 5/1060230/

Conveniently shifting the blame now. who is responsible for delay in induction of Tejas if not IAF with their obsession with phoren maal and shifting goalposts for tejas induction
These are meant to be men of honour but the way they refuse to take any accountability and to stand by the actions of their force over the years is pathetic.

The narrative being built now by them and the media is the LCA is to blame for IAF continuing risk the lives of their pilots decades after that type should’ve been phased out.


These are the same geniuses that continue to fly the Chetak/Cheetah by the 100s and order 6 units of LUH


That these recent accidents have not caused the IAF to further commit to LCA shows you the contempt the IAF actually has for this project. It’s getting in the way of them and their gold plated imports
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Well the brighter side of blaming LCA for Mig tragedy is that IAF leadership now do not have any excuse left for not inducting LCA in numbers. Okay we accept there were delays but from now on they should induct LCA in large numbers onlee, no?
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Dilbu wrote:Well the brighter side of blaming LCA for Mig tragedy is that IAF leadership now do not have any excuse left for not inducting LCA in numbers. Okay we accept there were delays but from now on they should induct LCA in large numbers onlee, no?
In a circus you cant go in with a sane argument. Someone needs to call off this circus show.
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ramana wrote:If four squadrons of Bisons are to be retired how come only two Mk1 were ordered with great reluctance?
Also quite a few crashes of the un-upgraded two seat trainers. In fact 2/ of the 6 crashes were trainers.
How come IAF doesn't want to talk about that?
Or is that linked to Mk1 trainers?
Every time a Mig 21 crashes killing the pilots the IAF high command incompetence shows up.
ACMs flying Mig 21 is not the solution for that plane could get special maintenance and probably in broad daylight.
This was ok in 1998-02 period but is in no way acceptable in 2022, LCA MK1 should have been ordered in 2010 itself for 4 sqdns with Ato A capability. Even now if IAF orders 3 more squadrons of MK1A, 2 squadrons Indian Navy LCA Navy ,2 squadrons of Mk2. The production ecosystem will deliver higher numbers in 2026-30 period.

It was also mean Mk2, Tedbf, AMCA will come in much faster .
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:wink:
Dilbu wrote:Well the brighter side of blaming LCA for Mig tragedy is that IAF leadership now do not have any excuse left for not inducting LCA in numbers. Okay we accept there were delays but from now on they should induct LCA in large numbers onlee, no?
Former Chief Dhanoa already claims that it’s because of the delays in procurement of MRFA is it not?

Remember we are land of spin bowling. Somehow a doodra that shouts that it is someone else fault is always ready to be bowled at the opportune time.

Plus our holier than thou attitude and a habit of not holding people to account means more YO will lose their lives. Rome will burn while Nero fiddles.
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I found the whole interview with Aroor a charade with Shiv goading ACM D to reply that IAF would have retired the plane if they had a choice and the IAF was not to blame. ACM D repeatedly said that 4 Sqdn of LCA were already ordered and are yet to arrive.

What no one is asking is "Why orders were not given to HAL to produce at 24 planes an year and that the 4 sqdn were for planes which required significant changes and which every one knew that it would take time to start production. Is IAF ok to upgrade and fly older,riskier planes when safer, newer and more capable planes are available."
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Cross Posting from IAF thread




Delay in Tejas MK1A acquisition - who is accountable? IAF forced to fly Mig-21
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IAF "forced" to fly mig 21s ? ah the chicken and egg question again :mrgreen:
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https://twitter.com/Archit_Ch/status/15 ... RS3b4hoEgQ ---> On this day 19 years ago (01 August 2003) the LCA TD-1 KH2001 broke the sound barrier, and hence became the first aircraft designed and developed in India to achieve the feat in level flight!
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skumar wrote: In his interview, ex-CAS Dhanoa seems to imply the loss of lives due to human error - "fighters are fitted with ejection and you are supposed to get out.." Pathetic!
I found it appalling! CAS Dhanoa was blaming the pilots for their deaths (even before the COI has begun)! Blame lack of MRFA. Blame LCA.

Blame anyone but the incompetence of Air HQ decision makers!
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https://twitter.com/defencealerts/statu ... YF6ZMI9rGw ---> Indian Air Force to deploy first Tejas Mk1 Squadron "Flying Daggers" on the eastern front, to tackle rising scrambles of fighter jets in the area that has heightened tensions with China on the Ladakh front.
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https://twitter.com/delhidefence/status ... A4CTWg8TbA ---> The Chief of Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal Vivek Ram Chaudhari undertook a sortie on the Light Combat Aircraft Tejas, during his official visit to Bengaluru.

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ashishvikas wrote: https://twitter.com/delhidefence/status ... A4CTWg8TbA ---> The Chief of Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal Vivek Ram Chaudhari undertook a sortie on the Light Combat Aircraft Tejas, during his official visit to Bengaluru.
Video of the above event ---> https://twitter.com/delhidefence/status ... A4CTWg8TbA
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https://twitter.com/Sbmvv2000/status/15 ... A4CTWg8TbA ---> In my recent IAF book, an amazing photographer allowed me to use this photo - the only one I've seen - of a No.45 Sqn Tejas Mk1 with an I-Derby BVR AAM.

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India Offers To Sell Malaysia Trainer Variant Of Tejas Fighter
India has offered to sell 18 trainer variant of light-combat aircraft (LCA) "Tejas" to Malaysia, the defence ministry said on Friday, adding that Argentina, Australia, Egypt, the United States, Indonesia, and the Philippines were also interested in the single-engine jet.
The government last year gave a $6 billion contract to state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd for 83 of the locally produced Tejas jets for delivery starting around 2023 - four decades after it was first approved in 1983.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi's government, keen to reduce India's reliance on foreign defence equipment, has also been making diplomatic efforts to export the jets. The Tejas has been beset by design and other challenges, and was once rejected by the Indian Navy as too heavy.

The defence ministry told parliament that Hindustan Aeronautics in October last year responded to a request for proposal from the Royal Malaysian Air Force for 18 jets, offering to sell the two-seater variant of Tejas.

"Other countries which have evinced interest in the LCA aircraft are: Argentina, Australia, Egypt, USA, Indonesia, and Philippines," India's junior defence minister, Ajay Bhatt, told members of parliament in a written reply.

He said the country was also working on manufacturing a stealth fighter jet, but declined to given a timeline citing national security concerns.

Britain said in April it would support India's goal of building its own fighter jets. India currently has a mix of Russian, British and French fighter jets.

India is looking to ground all its Soviet-era Russian fighter jets, the MiG-21, by 2025, following a number of fatal crashes, the Times of India daily reported last month.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/india-o ... ry-3227898
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Admiral, can we please have list of armament also on page 1? Both qualified and planned? It would present a formidable picture of the jet.
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// even the MeriCans want LCA
US among six nations interested in Tejas: Govt
https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/ec ... 732161.ece
Aug 05, 2022
Six countries — USA, Argentina, Australia, Egypt, Indonesia and Philippines—have shown interest in the indigenously manufactured light combat aircraft Tejas, even as India has decided to sell 18 of them to Malaysia, the government told Parliament on Friday. Last October, said Minister of State for Defence Ajay Bhatt in the Lower House, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), a defence PSU, had offered 18 Tejas twin-seater variants while responding to a request for proposal (RFP) issued by Royal Malaysian Air Force for fighter lead in trainer–light combat aircraft (FLIT–LCA).

“Other countries which have evinced interest in LCA aircraft are Argentina, Australia, Egypt, USA, Indonesia and Philippines,” Bhat told Lok Sabha.On a separate Parliament question, wanting to know from the government whether it proposes to manufacture a stealth fighter jet, the junior defence minister said, “yes” and added that the “autonomous flying wing technology demonstrator” has been successfully tested by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO). “Further, the desired information is sensitive in nature and its disclosure is not in the interest of national security,” he pointed out.

The government, the MoS stated, has taken several policy initiatives in the past few years and brought in reforms to encourage indigenous design, development and manufacture of defence equipment in the country, thereby expanding their production. These initiatives include giving priority to procurement of capital items from domestic sources under Defence Acquisition Procedure (DAP)-2020 and announcement of 18 major defence platforms for industry-led design and development. Besides that, a notification was issued for embargo on the import of items mentioned in ‘positive indigenisation lists” beyond the timelines indicated against them. Three such lists of total 310 items of services and two such list of total 2,958 items of the defence PSUs were made public, Bhat stated. Liberalisation of Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) policy allowing 74% FDI under automatic route, simplification of ‘make procedure’ and launch of Innovations for Defence Excellence (iDEX) scheme involving start-ups, and Micro, Small and Medium Enterprises (MSMEs) were some of other new initiatives.
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