Russian / Ukranian Combat Tactics

John · Post by **John** » 15 May 2022 21:55

habal wrote:First footage of ukr bodies washed up in Snake Island. Ukr casualties are immense, it seems as if every western country except France & Germany is immune to Ukrainian concerns. Rest seem to be echoing same US pr.

https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1 ... 4xT4y3Z_3w

Ask yourself when does body wash up conventionally with expended NLAW ( I guess they don’t sink..) and also it is middle nowhere not even next to shore and vid is shot conventionally in black & white to avoid better ID. Please do some DD before posting social media links and some how linking it to some mass casualty.

Also vid was why already proven to be fake. I hope they go thru this much trouble atleast next time they Google Ukranian soldier images and buy similar belts from eBay. Even Russians in telegram are tearing it apart for how low quality of a fake it is.

Anyway more information on the belt which ironically looks be Russian belt which no Ukranian soldier would wear.

https://twitter.com/kylejglen/status/15 ... KunxbQ2ryQ

Anyway rare confirmed vid of Russian Su-24 in bombing runs in Mariupol. I haven’t seen much footage of Su-34 in almost a month not sure if there is operational/maintenance issues and Russia is now starting to use Su-24s?

https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1525 ... KunxbQ2ryQ

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 15 May 2022 22:24

4 hours old tweet

https://twitter.com/Ukraine66251776/sta ... 4464690176

Unconfirmed : SURRENDERED: in #Azovstal
US General Eric Olson
British Lieutenant Colonel John Bailey
and
4 #NATO military instructors.
There is news of Canadian French Turkish officers still hiding inside tunnels
#SnakeIsland #Mariupol #Donbass #Ukraine
@WIONews
#Kiev
@foxnews

Followed by another an hour later:

https://twitter.com/Ukraine66251776/sta ... 2053951491

HE WAS HIDING INSIDE A TUNNEL IN #AZOVSTAL
US Admiral Eric Olson (Highly decorated special ops commander born in #Tacoma , Wa USA

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 15 May 2022 22:38

^^^^^

Wonder if that was the reason for the call from Austin Lloyd

Meanwhile:

https://twitter.com/Aryan_warlord/statu ... 1107066880

#Severodonetsk multiple BMPT Terminators spotted. Those ATAKA ATGMs can really bring some serious pain down .

Since it is within Severodonetsk, it must be UKR deploying them. My guess

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 15 May 2022 22:49

NRao wrote:4 hours old tweet

It literally says "Unconfirmed" in the tweet from "@Ukraine66251776 (with 3K followers and who knows what source or media agency" itself. Provide actual, verifiable proof and official statement from Russia MFA.

If one went by social media and "unconfirmed" tweets and telegram posts, it would appear that NATO (US, British, Canadian, and probably half a dozen other western militaries have had high ranking officers captured based on these dubious accounts), or US has no high ranking officer left and they were all hiding in Ukraine and are being picked up one at a time. Again, provide official source and confirmations and not this crap. Wishing so alone isn't going to make it true.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 15 May 2022 22:55

^^^^

Yup, it does say that: "Unconfirmed"

However, the other side of the same coin says: "HE WAS HIDING INSIDE A TUNNEL IN #AZOVSTAL"

Does that sound like wishing or the truth? Pick

I do not know what is true and what is false. After all there is a full fledged war going on and both sides excel at disinformation. And, not to mention NATO is fully involved

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 15 May 2022 22:56

NRao wrote:However, the other side of the same coin says: "HE WAS HIDING INSIDE A TUNNEL IN #AZOVSTAL"

What proof exists to support that assertion? Did this "Ukraine66251776" fellow provide any official statement from the Russian side claiming that? If they are capturing senior current or retired NATO officers (like is being reported by these so called "news" accounts on SM) then surely this would warrant an official MFA statement and parading them in Moscow. Would it not?

NRao wrote:I do not know what is true and what is false

Agreed. But here you are, quoting unconfirmed crap from a dubious account started in April 2022 (with 3K followers) as a source. Not sure who's to blame here for above.

m_saini · Post by **m_saini** » 15 May 2022 23:05

"actual, verifiable proof and official statement from MFAs" is not the standard either side has been following in this thread. Not sure why the snide remarks.

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 15 May 2022 23:29

If there is an official MFA statement confirming capture of multiple (probably dozens at this point) NATO senior current and/or retired officers (including general rank) as has been claimed in these (this isn't new) posts, then it is relevant to this thread and should be posted and should be recognized as official Russian position with any evidence added that they base this claim on..

On the contrary, finding random, unverified twitter accounts created a month or so ago, and posting content that if true would a SIGNIFICANT, without any effort to actually find official source (or verifying its accuracy) is not really adding much. We might as well start a random news/info or conspiracy theory thread and move all this stuff there if it adds value (its going to get worst with probably dozens of Swedish and Finnish generals being captured given those two are going to officially request to join NATO in the coming days) and wait for it to be an official position of either of the two sides involved here before posting here. This isn't analysis, or someone's expert (or not) opinion or commentary (where one can take different positions and ground them on some basis) but a baseless tweet pointing to an apparent fact that hasn''t even been claimed officially by either side.

ManuJ · Post by **ManuJ** » 15 May 2022 23:43

An article on Forbes about M777s that discusses (potential) Ukrainian unit deployments and strategies:

According to The New York Times, the 93rd Mechanized Brigade is one of the units getting M777s. There are rumors the 81st Air Mobile Brigade also is in the queue for the new guns.
Those consignments are significant. The 81st for weeks has been fighting a slow tactical retreat from Izium, the current locus of Russia’s slow, costly offensive west across Donbas. The 81st’s troopers, riding in BTR wheeled vehicles and firing Stugna anti-tank missiles, have drawn Russian blood for every mile they’ve withdrawn along the P79 highway.
The 81st is leading the Russian 1st Guards Tank Army slowly westward. And that’s exposing the Russian salient’s northern flank to Ukrainian counterattack.
That counterattack clearly is coming. The Ukrainian armed forces’ general staff isn’t exactly shy about it. After helping to clear out Russian troops around Kharkiv, 60 miles north of Izium, the 93rd Mechanized Brigade appears to be reorienting toward the south.
The brigade, along with the 92nd Mechanized Brigade, is in a position to cut across the Russian army’s offensive—perhaps by rolling south along the M03 highway. The 93rd is the hammer to the 81st’s anvil.

https://apple.news/AmQINRjxXSUOHA-0gGMab9Q

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 15 May 2022 23:47

https://twitter.com/AggregateOsint/stat ... 4557773824

#Mariupol Update - The battle of #Mariupol and the defense of #Azovstal is likely close to its conclusion. #Russian forces are now taking ground in the main plant complex, which likely means the defenders are running out of enough ammo, manpower or both to hold the plant.

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 15 May 2022 23:50

ManuJ wrote:An article on Forbes about M777s that discusses (potential) Ukrainian unit deployments and strategies:

I don't believe the Ukrainians have taken deliver of the Mi-17's yet but if/when they do it could open up another opportunity for them to transport their LW155s faster. Will be interesting to see if they do M777 sling load operations or keep the guns paired with their prime movers and move cross country.

ManuJ · Post by **ManuJ** » 15 May 2022 23:51

NRao wrote:4 hours old tweet
Unconfirmed : SURRENDERED: in #Azovstal
US General Eric Olson
HE WAS HIDING INSIDE A TUNNEL IN #AZOVSTAL
US Admiral Eric Olson (Highly decorated special ops commander born in #Tacoma , Wa USA

This is getting pathetic.
15 secs on Google tells you that General Eric Olson retired over 10 years ago!

John · Post by **John** » 15 May 2022 23:59

ManuJ wrote:
NRao wrote:4 hours old tweet
Unconfirmed : SURRENDERED: in #Azovstal
US General Eric Olson
HE WAS HIDING INSIDE A TUNNEL IN #AZOVSTAL
US Admiral Eric Olson (Highly decorated special ops commander born in #Tacoma , Wa USA
This is getting pathetic.
15 secs on Google tells you that General Eric Olson retired over 10 years ago!

You see him and his group of 70 yr old NATO generals who are holed up in Mariupol of all places are Rambos who single handedly holding back Russian forces with him capture it is over for Ukraine who are pathetic and cannot fight. I digress

but come on folks please do your DD before posting. If you go back and do a quick search in social media they claim this almost every week.

As I said earlier Russian refusal to accept any events on ground and their propaganda from Russian side is their biggest weakness at this point. It means they do same thing over and over again (no innovation or learning from mistakes) and Russian high command and leaders who are responsible for it are not replaced by more capable replacements.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 16 May 2022 00:08

ManuJ wrote:
NRao wrote:4 hours old tweet
Unconfirmed : SURRENDERED: in #Azovstal
US General Eric Olson
HE WAS HIDING INSIDE A TUNNEL IN #AZOVSTAL
US Admiral Eric Olson (Highly decorated special ops commander born in #Tacoma , Wa USA
This is getting pathetic.
15 secs on Google tells you that General Eric Olson retired over 10 years ago!

Yes, that is very, very true

But then pretty much anyone who is "advising" or "training" in UKR are ALL retired servicemen. No exceptions as far as I can tell

And, just BTW, there are TWO "Eric Olson", the other guy is a retired US Army 2 star gen

And, I totally agree with "pathetic". This entire conflict is pathetic. And, the ones that are most pathetic are the voters in every nation across the globe. This one is on the people of every nation. Not the leaders or MIC or Neocons or whatever. The system has broken down - or there is no system

But, here we are ......................... so enjoy it

m_saini · Post by **m_saini** » 16 May 2022 00:12

Russian propaganda definitely seems to be severely lacking and is often outright retarded. But then again that tends to happen when you don't control MSMs all over the world who can back up your claims and Pulitzer winning journalists who can do your bidding.
All that wouldn't have mattered if they could win comfortably on ground but Putin&co seems to have bungled that too

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 16 May 2022 00:13

How about posting verifiable evidence or an actual official Russian claim before continuing further and trying to find how many Eric Olsons live in the US or served in the Military at any given time. Seems like a pretty logical place to start it one was interesting in finding out the truth and not just posting baseless stuff for the sake of it.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 16 May 2022 00:13

One comment on whatever proof from a gov source or whatever

Here we have Jack Detsch, 5 hours ago:

https://twitter.com/JackDetsch/status/1 ... 4029596673

NEW: UK believes that Russia has now lost 1/3 of troops committed to the fight in Ukraine since Feb 24, per new intel assessment. That’s up from 25% last month.

“Russia’s Donbas offensive has lost momentum and fallen significantly behind schedule,” UK Defense Intelligence said.

So, IF Russia had committed 120,000 troops he wants us to believe that 40,000 have been "lost"

He IS quoting an official government agency

Point is there is absolutely no one I believe. The best I can do is connect the dots. Based on that I feel confident that Hunter Biden did cheat and so did Joe Biden. But, who knows

John · Post by **John** » 16 May 2022 00:25

NRao wrote:One comment on whatever proof from a gov source or whatever

Here we have Jack Detsch, 5 hours ago:

https://twitter.com/JackDetsch/status/1 ... 4029596673

NEW: UK believes that Russia has now lost 1/3 of troops committed to the fight in Ukraine since Feb 24, per new intel assessment. That’s up from 25% last month.

“Russia’s Donbas offensive has lost momentum and fallen significantly behind schedule,” UK Defense Intelligence said.
So, IF Russia had committed 120,000 troops he wants us to believe that 40,000 have been "lost"

He IS quoting an official government agency

Point is there is absolutely no one I believe. The best I can do is connect the dots. Based on that I feel confident that Hunter Biden did cheat and so did Joe Biden. But, who knows

Lost in this sense means no longer in combat so 40,000 including dead and wounded seems about right given the high amount vehicle lost if you compare with other conflicts.

Unless T-72 series, BMP/BMD and Russian cargo trucks by magic have better crew safety around 2000+ losses could easily equate those numbers. This all that is documented we have good chunk that has towed back to Russia that no one has count of that.

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/a ... t.html?m=1

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 16 May 2022 00:39

Combat power assessments are just that ("assessments") and are trying to use intel, and other cues to find out the make up of the current force and what fraction of it has been rendered temporarily or permanently ineffective. It is not a factual number of dead but rather a subjective assessment of equipment, and men rendered ineffective by either equipment loss, damage, KIA or wounded. It is very different from throwing un-substantiated facts out there like so and so has been captured without any evidence to back up that claim. Hope its not too hard to understand the difference between a subjective assessment and claiming that Joe and Hunter Biden have been captured in Mariupol etc etc (search the internet long enough and one can probably find some reference to this in some dark corner of SM and apparently it meets the smell test for some here).

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 16 May 2022 01:17

Speaking of retired officers, anyone heard from Cloutier since the last time he piped on LinkedIn?

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 16 May 2022 01:43

I do know that the US threw the Taliban out, spent 20 yrs and billion, if not trillions, in Afghanistan and turned over the nation back to the Taliban. Not an assessment.

WRT this conflict, who cares if it is an assessment or not. There is a war going on and no war follows any logic, least of the Brits. Which is why we do not need to wait for or rely on any gov sources - none of them on all sides are reliable.

But, if anyone wants to believe in any web site, so be it

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 16 May 2022 01:50

https://twitter.com/AggregateOsint/stat ... 0187258883

Click on the URL to see the video

#Mariupol Update - #Russian forces have been firing incendiary rounds at the #Azovstal complex main buildings. This video shows thousands of impacts striking on the SW corner of the complex, which will likely be the last #Ukrainian redoubt in Mariupol.

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 16 May 2022 01:50

NRao wrote:Which is why we do not need to wait for or rely on any gov sources - none of them on all sides are reliable.

Neither is a random 30-day old twitter handle 'Ukraine66251776' posting unverifiable crap though your mileage clearly varies.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 16 May 2022 01:58

May be the real Olsons will post pictures posing somewhere in the land of the free on SM disproving this unverifiable crap once and for all, let's see...

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 16 May 2022 02:06

Because that's how it all works I suppose. Random SM posts about XX former general being captured by Russia, and the said citizen has to parade himself each time this crap gets posted and begins circulating. All the while, no official Russian MFA source goes on record and claims any of it. And of course if they don't come out each time someone posts this, they must be hiding something and must indeed be in Russian custody. Fully expect Finnish and Swedish generals perhaps retired generals being captured by these SM accounts and since they may not come out and do a Public press conference because some account created 30 days ago claims they were captured it all must be true.

Genius!

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 16 May 2022 02:12

brar_w wrote:
NRao wrote:Which is why we do not need to wait for or rely on any gov sources - none of them on all sides are reliable.
Neither is a random 30-day old twitter handle 'Ukraine66251776' posting unverifiable crap though your mileage clearly varies.

Absolutely. That too is included in "all sides"

It is just a "data point". That is all

To me Jack's tweet is also a "data point" - not to be accepted nor rejected.

All that matters to me is that these guys keep fighting within Europe. More the better. Better in Europe than in Africa, Asia, or S. America. Keep going

skumar · Post by **skumar** » 16 May 2022 04:45

NRao wrote:I do know that the US threw the Taliban out, spent 20 yrs and billion, if not trillions, in Afghanistan and turned over the nation back to the Taliban. Not an assessment.

WRT this conflict, who cares if it is an assessment or not. There is a war going on and no war follows any logic, least of the Brits. Which is why we do not need to wait for or rely on any gov sources - none of them on all sides are reliable.

But, if anyone wants to believe in any web site, so be it

+1

If this site was restricted to only official, confirmed and re-confirmed posts which would still not make it 25% true wrt this war, it would be 5 pages long and totally not interesting.

I hope no one wants to have a Ministry of Truth czar, the result of a few rumours is not going to impact the war.

John · Post by **John** » 16 May 2022 05:06

Cyrano wrote:May be the real Olsons will post pictures posing somewhere in the land of the free on SM disproving this unverifiable crap once and for all, let's see...

The claim has been made in telegram almost two days ago and hit Twitter over a day ago by some shady Russian accounts I am pretty sure MSM or even RT would have picked it up by now and would be airing interviews 24/7 if it is true.

bala · Post by **bala** » 16 May 2022 05:15

least of the Brits.

The Brits are con artists of the highest kind. All history of Brits especially of the Raj era is mostly rubbish and we now know with certainty that they looted 300T and caused the death of 80-90 million (the largest Holocaust in the World) Indians in famines.

The US history of conquest is turning out to be another saga of pyrrhic victory, colossal tax payer money drain, false evidence (like the one in Iraq about WMD) and much more. The delusion level in Europe, the holier than thou attitude, sheer arrogance, the instigator and major source of world chaos & war are making anything reported by them hugely suspect.

Meanwhile there are reports of more bombing of Lviv and its military installations by Russia. A thermal power plant in Kremenchuk in Poltava was shelled and the infrastructure of the Kremenchuk Power Plant was significantly damaged. Russians shelled oil refinery again. A large convoy of cars and vans (1000) carrying refugees from the ruins of Mariupol arrived in the Ukrainian-controlled city of Zaporizhzhia on Saturday after waiting days for Russian troops to allow them to leave. Russia's defence ministry said rockets had hit two command points, 11 company positions and four artillery stores in four parts of the Donetsk region. Russian forces had hit areas near the cities of Baxmut and Kostyantynivka, as well as destroying two S-300 missile systems and a radar post in the Sumy region.

ks_sachin · Post by **ks_sachin** » 16 May 2022 05:43

bala,

Why are you surprised. This is realpolitik and entirely expected. We would do the same if we were the regional hegemon or at least I hope we would. This Bhai-Bhai nonsense is hogwash.

The Russians are truly pounding the Ukrainians. I think it is just a matter of time before all of Eastern Ukraine is in Russian hands and this senseless war ends - don't you think?

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 16 May 2022 05:49

John wrote:
Cyrano wrote:May be the real Olsons will post pictures posing somewhere in the land of the free on SM disproving this unverifiable crap once and for all, let's see...
The claim has been made in telegram almost two days ago and hit Twitter over a day ago by some shady Russian accounts I am pretty sure MSM or even RT would have picked it up by now and would be airing interviews 24/7 if it is true.

It doesn't matter if its true or not. As long as its interesting its fair game apparently.

ManuJ · Post by **ManuJ** » 16 May 2022 08:14

Russia seems to be throwing everything at capturing the town of Severodonetsk:

As the war entered its 81st day, Russian offensive operations in Donbas remained largely stalled following the failure of Russia’s ambitious attempt to cross the Siverskyi Donets River and encircle the metropolitan area of Severodonetsk, the capital of the Ukrainian-administered Luhansk region. Severodonetsk was heavily shelled on Sunday, with several people injured after artillery rounds hit the city’s hospital, according to Ukrainian officials.
Russia has gathered a force of some 2,500 tanks, artillery pieces, armored personnel carriers and troop trucks to the area, said Serhiy Haidai, the Ukrainian governor of Luhansk. After failing to encircle all of the Donbas, Russian forces have switched to the more-modest goal of cutting the only road to Severodonetsk, pushing from the direction of the town of Popasna that was captured in early May, he said. “They are making very serious preparations and throwing all their forces to the Luhansk direction,” he said.

https://apple.news/AlBkicevnTjW4dGi0h3Di2Q

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 16 May 2022 09:34

https://twitter.com/AggregateOsint/stat ... 4199672832

#Severodonetsk Update - in an attempt to slow down and impede #Russian advances, #Ukrainian troops destroyed the bridge between #Rubizhne and Severodonetsk. This was one of several that crossed the Borova River. Geolocation in next tweet.

This explosion has been geolocated to the NW edge of #Severodonetsk at coordinates (48.9670401, 38.4610018). The footage is taken from a drone flown further NW from #Russian controlled areas. #Ukraine destroyed the bridge to slow #Russian forces that are attacking #Severodonetsk.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 16 May 2022 09:52

And we are quoting apple gospel from "Serhiy Haidai, the Ukrainian governor of Luhansk"

Might as well quote Yeti from Atacama.

I suspect Kyiv regime wants to showcase Severodonetsk into Mariupol2 which Russia is trying to find ways to avoid.

River crossing saga is Ukrainian propaganda, 5% fact mixed with 95% fiction on photoshop. Like those dramatic civilian shootings airing on CNN with artistic tumblings on being shot and then limp/walk away a few mins later.

So given all that, I'll believe Olsons and Cloutiers and a bunch of neoNazi collaborator western officers are either rotting under Azovstal or in Russian custody which they deserve, until evidence backed official denial comes from respective Gobermund sources.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 16 May 2022 10:00

https://twitter.com/AggregateOsint/stat ... 0831143937

#Lyman Update - #Russia has captured the town of Drobysheve 2mi/3km NW of Lyman. Lyman is now surrounded on 3 sides with the 4th side constrained by the Donets River 3 mi/5km SW. #Ukrainian forces have been preparing defenses for weeks & destroying bridges to slow #RUAF advances.

There are no confirmed updates from Novoselivka, but with the only road S cut off by the #Russian capture of Drobysheve, #Ukrainian troops have likely either already withdrawn or will attempt to withdraw soon. Otherwise they will be trapped on the N side of the Donets River.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 16 May 2022 10:20

https://twitter.com/AggregateOsint/stat ... 3725996034

#Severodonetsk Update - #Russia forces conducted attacks all along this axis today. #Severodonetsk was shelled by #RUAF artillery & reconnaissance and probing was conducted by ORLAN-10 UAV's and Russian troops. #Ukraine reports that heavy shelling occurred along the entire front.

In the #Popasna area, #Russian forces attacked the towns of Komyshuvakha, Katerynivka & Zolote. #RUAF likely entered the outskirts of Komyshuvakha but #Ukrainian troops are putting up stiff resistance . The attacks on Katerynivka & Zolote were repelled by #UAF.

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 16 May 2022 11:31

What does the NATO chief mean when he says Ukraine will win the war by year end? Normally that person doesn’t speak utter rubbish. What is the definition of “winning” here? Russia unable to get Kyiv and Kharkiv will constitute winning? Or is the plan for Ukraine to regain Crimea and Donetsk - Luhansk?

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 16 May 2022 12:09

Any forward looking statements by Russia remain purposefully vague, and Ukr side statements therefore will be even more vague. I haven't seen the head of NATO say anything original or sensible so far. I think someone from the Kiev regime said it and NATO guy is just repeating it.

Kiev said they're going to raise a million more territorial defense forces now, must have calculated that at the current rate of casualties, they can last until end of the year. By then of course Putin will be gone due to brain cancer or Parkinson's, or in a coup and then what remains of Ukr will call it a victory. Thats what they are saying IMO onree.

A Deshmukh · Post by **A Deshmukh** » 16 May 2022 12:27

IMHO, Russia seems to have achieved its stated goals. It can declare ceasefire. and Ukr can declare victory that they held back mighty Rus from capturing Kyiv and Kharkiv. Both sides get victory.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 16 May 2022 12:34

We're barely half way into this war, too many loose ends remain in Ukraine.

Odessa, Transnistria, Ukr N power plants, NeoNazis, elensly, who/what comes after him?, Poland etc...