Russian-Ukranian War: Geopolitical Fallout

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RoyG wrote:Nobody is going nuclear.
In the unlikely scenario of Ukraine taking over Crimea and threatening to take over Sevastopol, there are high chances of that happening.

But Ukraine is not taking Crimea so the thing is moot
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RoyG wrote:Nobody is going nuclear.
Riiight ... and 15 months ago people were saying, with great confidence, "nobody is going to invade Ukraine. Russia is weak and incompetent".

Fifteen years ago, when Russia objected to NATO expansion right up to its borders, saying that it was unacceptable, NATO/neocons were saying, with great confidence, "Russia is not going to do anything but whine and complain. Russia is weak and incompetent".

Twenty-five years ago, when the Chechens were creating carnage, conducting mass-casualty terrorist incidents in Russia, NATO were smug and self-satisfied (actually quite pleased) saying, "Russia is not going to do anything but whine and complain. Russia will (and should) just break into many pieces. Russia is weak and incompetent".

Well, we saw how all that worked out. Among other things, Putin annihilated the Chechen terrorist movement.

Let me make a prediction: if Ukraine and NATO attack Crimea militarily (and obviously it would be a NATO attack, not a Ukrainian attack), Russia will nuke several NATO countries: at minimum, Poland, Norway and the UK. If US naval units enter the Black Sea, they too will be attacked (maybe not with nukes, though).

Just my two cents' worth of assessment.
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"Europe has shot itself in both of its feet in terms of the sanctions on Russia. If they were to have a similar approach to China, the European economy would completely collapse."
@ClareDalyMEP

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Roopji,

A scenario with more probability of happening is Russia uses tactical nukes to take out storage depots and centres that border Poland with Ukraine. Also 5Kt type nukes to take out other Ukranian formations somewhere else. NATO is unlikely to risk all out nuclear war in this scenario.
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C'mon guys, Russia will not use nukes on Ukraine soil or on its new territories or Crimea. These are some of the most fertile lands in the world with black soil running several feet deep. Nuke fallout will ruin them forever. Radioactive particles will get blown around by prevailing winds for hundreds of kms and can go into Belarus or Russia itself. Plus Putin will not want to nuke his slav brothers and commit a historical blunder.

Even on the Polish borders, what's the need for nukes?!
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Cyrano wrote:C'mon guys, Russia will not use nukes on Ukraine soil or on its new territories or Crimea. These are some of the most fertile lands in the world with black soil running several feet deep. Nuke fallout will ruin them forever. Radioactive particles will get blown around by prevailing winds for hundreds of kms and can go into Belarus or Russia itself. Plus Putin will not want to nuke his slav brothers and commit a historical blunder.

Even on the Polish borders, what's the need for nukes?!
You are talking about a country that sacrificed more than a million of its soldiers against foreign invasions . I would repeat never corner a bear , for that is exactly what Russia behaves like. Just fyi there is a huge swathe of radioactive zone bordering Belarus and Poland even now as an aftermath of the Chernobyl., a few tactical nukes would just enlarge that zone permanently. , unfortunate as it is.
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Cyrano wrote:C'mon guys, Russia will not use nukes on Ukraine soil or on its new territories or Crimea. These are some of the most fertile lands in the world with black soil running several feet deep. Nuke fallout will ruin them forever. Radioactive particles will get blown around by prevailing winds for hundreds of kms and can go into Belarus or Russia itself. Plus Putin will not want to nuke his slav brothers and commit a historical blunder.

Even on the Polish borders, what's the need for nukes?!
Why are Ukrainians shelling Russian-occupied nuclear reactor facility? Are they the epitome of responsible behaviour? I think not.
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Elon Musk has removed censorship on Russian handles and they are back! A Ru handle Dmitry Medvedev, former defence minister (?) has posted why Ukraine will cease to exist:

WHY WILL UKRAINE DISAPPEAR? BECAUSE NOBODY NEEDS IT
1. Europe doesn’t need Ukraine. The forced support of the Nazi regime, by the American mentor’s order, has put Europeans into a financial and political inferno. All for the sake of bandera’s unterukraine, that even the snobby, insolent Polacks don’t take for a valid country, and time and again toss in the issue of its western areas anschluss. There’s a nice perspective ahead: to permanently put the nouveau-Ukrainian blood-sucking parasites on the decrepit EU’s arthritis-crippled neck. That’ll be the final fall of Europe, once majestic, but robbed off by degeneration.
2. The US doesn’t need Ukraine. True, the military and sanction campaigns are attempted for PR by political blabbermouths, who long ago attested to their impotence and imbecility. Average Americans don’t understand what “Ukraine” is, and where “it” is. Most of them won’t show this “power” on the map on the first take. Why won’t the US establishment focus on inflation and job issues, or emergencies in their home States, instead of a country 404, unbeknownst to them? Why does so much dough go across the ocean?
Sooner or later, they’ll ask for that. Then, storming of the Capitol in January 2021 would seem like scout games.
3. Africa and Latin America don’t need Ukraine. The hundreds of millions spent by US on pointless fights in Ukraine, could finance many development programmes for Latin American and African states.
Latin America is gringos’ backyard – that’s what they’ve been rubbing in for decades. Africa’s had its share of suffering from the genocide, and colonial dependence, imposed by former western slave traders. That’s why the people of African huts and Latin American favelas ask a very reasonable question: for their former suffering and present-day loyalty, why is somebody else rewarded – very, very far away?
4. Asia doesn’t need Ukraine. By Russia’s example, they see “colour” technologies at work to eradicate the largest competing powers. They understand what scenario the America-led collective West has for them if they disobey. “Help us to overcome Russia, and we’ll soon come to you”, the utterly brazen Western leaders tell them. Such gigantic countries as India, China, and other Asia-Pacific states face the big enough challenge of post-pandemic economic recovery, let aside the drugged clowns, with their whining for aid.
“We are not interested in you”, Asia tells their messengers, responding to the calls to support Ukraine and confine Russia. The country, geopolitically many times closer to Asian powers, the one that historically has proven itself a reliable strategic partner. Do Asian giants need such headache coming from former colonisers?
5. Russia doesn’t need Ukraine. A threadbare quilt, torn, shaggy, and greasy. The new Malorossiya of 1991 is made up of the artificially cut territories, many of which are indigenously Russian, separated by accident in the 20th century. Millions of our compatriots live there, harassed for years by the Nazi Kiev regime. It is them who we defend in our special military operation, relentlessly eradicating the enemy. We don’t need unterukraine. We need Big Great Russia.
6. Finally, its own citizens don’t need the Nazi-headed Ukraine. That’s why out of 45 million people there’re only some 20 million remaining. That’s why those who stayed want to leave for any place: the hated Poland, EU, NATO, to be America’s 51nd state. Joining the Antarctic with its pinguins will also be fine. As long as it’s quiet, and the food’s good. The ruling junta’s criminal ambitions forced Ukrainians to beg and roam around the countries and continents, searching for a better life. All that is for an obscure European perspective. Or rather, to let the harlequin in a khaki tricot and his band of thievish Nazi clowns to put the money stolen from the West into their offshore accounts. Would ordinary Ukrainians need that?
Nobody on this planet needs such a Ukraine. That’s why it will disappear

https://twitter.com/MedvedevRussiaE/sta ... 37953?s=20
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pro ukraine handles have gone mad and sending kadi ninda & laanat on Elon Musk, they are asking Biden to take this war to twitter HQ if he can't take it to Moscow
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Musk sees the bigger picture here, and understands that NATO warmongering will bring about WW3.
He's already commented that Crimea was historically part of Russia.
He's also noted that Nuland is the main driver of the war, at the whitehouse.
He's also disallowed Starlink to be used for controlling Ukrainian military drones.
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Cyrano wrote:C'mon guys, Russia will not use nukes on Ukraine soil or on its new territories or Crimea.
Who said anything about Russia using nukes on Ukraine or Crimea? I spoke (hypothesized) about Russian reaction to a NATO (i.e. American) military attack on Russia proper -- whether it's Crimea, St. Petersburg, Moscow, Smolensk, Vladivostok or wherever. Why in hell would Russia not think of using nukes? Or I should say, why would they rule it out? Their country is being invaded, bombed out of existence, and they should worry about radioactive dust in Poland? !!
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In the meanwhile we have this

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/finance/other ... r-AA19EQ4T

Insurers want to weasel out from their responsibility of covering claims which arose by organisations trying to out do each other on sanctions in the first place… I have always maintained that the London financial district is the worlds biggest collection of scamsters and frauds per square metre. This is another example of the same. Yes, I am aware that war is an exclusion on sine policies….. but it’s just legalised scamming.
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War and war like activities are a general exclusion in any insurance contract.

In that the Howden boss is absolutely correct.

The issue is rests in the stupidity of the western governments and the idiotic sanctions on Russians.

The solution is to simply lift sanctions against Russia.

The losses would be erased. But the collective West has on the matter of Ukraine chosen to cut off there nose, in order to spite Russian face.

So governments will have to intervene in order to bail out the aircraft leasing firms.
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Insurance contracts are very carefully worded. Russia calls it SMO. EU or US hasn't declared war, no idea what Ukraine declared apart from victimhood.

Depending on where your goods/services are produced, sold and consumed, applicable law jurisdiction and coverage etc for any insured party or company to make a loss of business claim won't be easy.

Even in the case of natural disasters like floods or earthquakes, the govt must officially recognise that it has occurred, specify the affected zones clearly and issue notification before any insured parties can make claims.

In the case of business impact due to Ukraine conflict and ensuing sanctions, it will be a legal nightmare to claim anything unless at EU or country level "something" is officially recognised and notified. Since insured parties vastly outnumber the insurers, and can therefore exert more pressure on govt's, these preventive statements are being made by insurers. It will start hitting the fan at some time...
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Roop wrote:
Cyrano wrote:C'mon guys, Russia will not use nukes on Ukraine soil or on its new territories or Crimea.
Who said anything about Russia using nukes on Ukraine or Crimea? I spoke (hypothesized) about Russian reaction to a NATO (i.e. American) military attack on Russia proper -- whether it's Crimea, St. Petersburg, Moscow, Smolensk, Vladivostok or wherever. Why in hell would Russia not think of using nukes? Or I should say, why would they rule it out? Their country is being invaded, bombed out of existence, and they should worry about radioactive dust in Poland? !!
For that Russia has a published doctrine, as do other nuclear powers. Why discuss that in this context?

I was under the impression that if we are discussing in the context of this thread, it would pertain to the ongoing conflict and concerned geography.
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Pratyush wrote:War and war like activities are a general exclusion in any insurance contract.
Yes and no. It's not usual to insure a business against risk of war etc. However, most business contracts have exclusions to liability for non performance due to causes beyond anyone's control like natural disasters, hand of God, wars, civil wars, conflicts etc.

When one party claims the other has failed to perform and must therefore pay liabilities and the other claims that they could not perform in part or totally because of the situation in Ukraine and the insurers of both parties step in, its going to be a knotty problem in the absence of formal declarations by involved govts.

The only ones happy will be lawyers!
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Cyrano wrote:
Avid wrote: Try this posted in West Asia thread:
Thanks!

Best to read the original WSJ article -- which is more comprehensive as well as less speculative in describing what really transpired.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-iran ... s-69fb9aef

Alternative link to WSJ article: http://archive.today/qjOwm
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Came across this news claiming leak of Pentagon documents.

https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/pe ... 2.html/amp
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Avid wrote:Best to read the original WSJ article -- which is more comprehensive as well as less speculative in describing what really transpired.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-iran ... s-69fb9aef
Some sensible French analysts are saying that there is also strong Russian support behind the scenes which helped this positive turn of events. If true, it indicates a great deal of maturity and long term view displayed by the Russians, which is quite admirable in the current scheme of things.
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summary of leaked NATO piles, some Indian perspective as well!
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... ak-charade

“Stupefying” incompetence
The undisputable conclusion out of the – real or fake – Pentagon leaks is that the U.S. is in a state of war against Russia. And that is serious enough.

Washington has been feeding information non-stop on command posts, ammunition depots and key nodes in the Russian military lines. It’s such real-time intel that has allowed Kiev to target Russian forces, kill senior generals and force ammunition depots to be moved farther from the Russian front lines.

Anything Pentagon/NATO stenographers say about Kiev playing the proverbial “decisive role” in planning and executing these strikes is a lie. The U.S. exercizes total, absolute control of the Ukraine war on a central command basis. Including from that “secret” underground bunker near Lviv which recently received a business card from Mr. Khinzal and has gone to meet its maker – along with over 200 NATO high-level operatives.

Fake or not fake, we also have confirmation that the Pentagon has direct access to communications of the Russian Ministry of Defense. And that the Americans listen to everyone and his neighbor: the sweaty T-shirt actor in Kiev, all the Five Eyes allies, and the Mossad.

As for the notion that Kiev has changed its counter-offensive “military plans” because of the Pentagon leaks, everyone should feel free to control the pitch of their roaring laughter.
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Cyrano wrote:
Avid wrote:Best to read the original WSJ article -- which is more comprehensive as well as less speculative in describing what really transpired.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-iran ... s-69fb9aef
Some sensible French analysts are saying that there is also strong Russian support behind the scenes which helped this positive turn of events. If true, it indicates a great deal of maturity and long term view displayed by the Russians, which is quite admirable in the current scheme of things.
The long-term view is that the coming years will likely see a world that is: 1) US/West; 2) China; and 3) Remainder countries that want to be left out of their fights -- aligning and disengaging issue by issue.
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https://twitter.com/Savitri4Ever/status ... 8771020800
Many Indians are getting it too
I worry Indians are too naive and easily duped. We *must* develop a MILITARIZED MINDSET to navigate this decade.

Not a take on geopolitics, just some thoughts

For years before Galwan incident, several people assessed China based on their actions, not on their words. They were right. We now unambiguously recognize the imminent Chinese threat to India.
China's actions as well as rhetoric indisputably prove we're correct in this assessment.

The inability of China to comprehend that India can be trusted not to be a US lackey, is a problem of their mental make up , stemming from their state propaganda and societal experiences. Too bad. Perhaps they need to learn the hard way that India is a pole of its own. This is an unfortunate situation, but China has the capacity to remedy it, if it chooses. Clearly, they currently lack incentives to modify their stance on the boundary question.

Regarding the US, one musn't expect rational behavior from the DC establishment in its moment of implosion and decline, when it is visibly turning on its citizens and its closest allies. It's finances are dire, with the entire edifice of the Western financial system being called into question. The Pentagon is leaking national security secrets. Old allies are walking away, making it a particularly precarious moment in the middle east. Domestic politics is in turmoil that many have likened to something before a civil war. With nothing going their way, their lashing out will be dangerous.

We're not currently in the cross hairs, but it doesn't mean the US hegemony is willing to accept an India that is not *eventually* in their camp. It doesn't mean their awesome worldwide mechanism to sow chaos in order to get their way will never be pressed into service against us. It has been, and is even currently being used at threshold levels that are within our comfort zone. When the US turns on us, it will be very nasty, and even more hurtful than the Chinese enmity, simply because the people to people relations are so well established. You're free to believe this can never happen, but it has happened in the past.

Hence, a militarized mindset is essential, so that we are able to interrogate everything and negotiate everything from a position where our own security is the paramount concern. Needless to say, our own actions and initiatives must be rooted in Dharma, in the will to raise humanity to a step above the current nihilistic and barbarous hatreds that lead towards disaster.
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FYI

Very interesting. Deliberate leak?

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https://twitter.com/semper_vincit/statu ... 5175114752

NATO was created by the US in 1949 as the 4th Reich
Yes, you read that right
Here are the NAZI officers occupying high positions in NATO



1 ] Adolf Heusinger, Hitler's Chief of Staff, went on to become Chairman of NATO Military Committee in 1961-1964.
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2] Hans Speidel, NATO Commander of Central Europe (CCE) 1957-1963

3] Johann Steinhof, Chairman of the NATO Military Committee, 1971-1974

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Johann von Kleimansegg - NATO CCE, 1967-1968

Ernst Ferber - NATO CCE, 1973-1975

Carl Schnel - NATO CCE, 1975-1977.

Franz Josef Schulze - NATO CCE, 1977-1979.

Ferdinand von Senger und Etterlin - NATO CCE, 1979-1983.

5/
Here is Hitler's Chief of Staff, Adolf Heusinger, at the Pentagon, with McNamara


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– General Hans Speidel, who participated in the invasions of Poland, France, and the Soviet Union, played a key role in German rearmament and integration into NATO, and in 1957 became Commander-in-Chief of Allied Forces Central Europe.

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– Sturmführer Dr. Eberhard Taubert worked with Goebbels in the Nazi Ministry of Propaganda.
After the war, he became an adviser to ex-Nazi Franz Josef Strauss, German Minister of Defence from 1956-62, and was assigned by Strauss to

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to NATO’s “Psychological Warfare Department” which spewed anti-communist propaganda just as Goebbels’ ministry had during the war.

– Nazi Admiral and U-Boat commander Friedrich Guggenberger, whose U-boat sank 17 allied ships, later servedas Deputy Chief of Staff in the NATO command Armed Forces North (AFNORTH) 1968-72.

– Johannes Steinhoff, a Luftwaffe fighter pilot, was made Chairman of the NATO Military Committee 1971-74, holding other NATO positions prior to that.

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– Johann von Kielmansegg, General Staff officer to the High Command of the Wehrmacht, 1942-44, was NATO’s Commander in Chief of Allied Forces Central Europe, 1967-68.

– Ernst Ferber, a major in the Wehrmacht, was NATO’s Commander in Chief

11/ of Allied Forces Central Europe, 1973-75.

– Karl Schnell, First General Staff officer of the LXXVI Panzer Corps, was NATO’s Commander in Chief of Allied Forces Central Europe, 1975-77.

– Franz Joseph Schulze, Chief of the Third Battery of the Flak Storm Regiment 241, was NATO’s Commander in Chief of Allied Forces Central Europe, 1977-79.

– Ferdinand von Senger und Etterline, Lieutenant of the 24th Panzer Division of the German Sixth Army,

was NATO’s Commander in Chief of Allied Forces Central Europe, 1979-83.

Remember that NATO conducted terrorist acts against western civilian population ( killing especially women and children ) in Germany, France, especially Italy in the 1960s+ 1970s

The Nazis used as proxies were killing civilians and blaming the Communist Parties

US NATO is continuing the " Drang each Osten " that Hitler could not finish in 1942 and hoping to prevail against Russia, by using the stupid Ukrainian Nazis

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This won’t be news to any of the regulars on this thread but:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65245065

NATO special forces operating in Ukraine. Predictably UK has the highest number. I recall people scoffing when this was suggested months ago…

I do believe that this whole leak is a deliberate one designed to systematically move the red lines just a bit further. Nato now seems to be saying we have boots on the ground, what are you going to do about it? At some point though there is going to be a huge miscalculation and the bear will strike back.
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after Macron's chumma chaati in Cheen, EU President follows the suit:

European Council president Charles Michel : "European leaders are becoming increasingly favorable toward French President Emmanuel Macron's push for 'strategic autonomy' away from the United States" https://www.politico.eu/article/europe- ... es-michel/
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Fallout from leaked Pentagon briefings about Ukraine perhaps? Rats deserting a sinking ship?
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^^^ The US-led world order is slipping out of their hands. Two unnecessary and financially short sighted, nation building wars (Afghanistan and Iraq) have diminished America's clout. The war in Ukraine is not going smoothly either. Another financial boondoggle.

Lula to Visit Huawei Site in Shanghai, Potentially Irking US
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Tanaji wrote:Nato now seems to be saying we have boots on the ground, what are you going to do about it? At some point though there is going to be a huge miscalculation and the bear will strike back.
I assume Russia already has special forces (Spetsnaz-type people) operating behind the lines in western Ukraine. Maybe even in countries like Poland / Romania / Moldova.
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IndraD wrote:after Macron's chumma chaati in Cheen, EU President follows the suit:

European Council president Charles Michel : "European leaders are becoming increasingly favorable toward French President Emmanuel Macron's push for 'strategic autonomy' away from the United States" https://www.politico.eu/article/europe- ... es-michel/
after Macron pulls a rift in EU, Polish PM rushes to WH stresses there is no unity in Europe on cheen and Baltics remain servants forever https://www.politico.eu/article/poland- ... yndication

(On a personal note came across a Lithuanian guy who was frothing at mouth against Russia full of wrong ideas about world that India is against US, South America, Africa, India don't matter in grand scheme of things, Russia is finished and this year will get dismembered..Russia can't munch what it has chewed etc etc, this was carbon copy sentiments of a Pole I talked to few days ago, so Baltics seem to be the US lever in this war + Nordic countries)
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Lavrov stopped from entering US to enter UN. goes to show how far the UN has come as an institution
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This has nothing to do with the UN. The UN is powerless, if the host country has decided to violate diplomatic courtesy that should be offered to any nation. Not under UN sanctions.

It's all about the US.

20 years ago I would have been shocked by such action by the US. But today after all the lies and deceit from the US. I am not.
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No one knows about Ukr military offensive, but their Dy FM's charm offensive has been on full swing:
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Re: Russian-Ukranian War: Geopolitical Fallout

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No statements from our Foreign ministry about sending medical supplies to Ukraine they requested, nothing on inviting Beggarsky to G20. Unless I missed something, this total lack of coverage and no statements is the best way to tell Ukraine where they really stand.
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Excellent discussion. Some very interesting angles brought out by Ambassador Verma that weren't discussed much here. How well NaMo is reading the cards is evidenced by the fact that he engaged India strongly in projets in eastern Russia - Vladivostok, Shakalin etc even before this Ukraine war started.

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