Russian-Ukranian War: Geopolitical Fallout

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MeshaVishwas wrote:Ukrainian MoD on Twitter just went full retard.
Don't wish to post their sick post here
Handle is @DefenceU
Hatred of India and her culture seems widespread in this "1000 year old nation".
What are you referring? Can't find anything.
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^^^
They morphed Goddess Kali into a distasteful cartoon in
a mushroom cloud.
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The particular tweet in question has now been deleted officially by Ukrainian MoD...basically they showed Goddess Kali posing in Marilyn Monroe style in the middle of a mushroom cloud.
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Bunch of white supremacist neo-Nazis. No surprise there as to their views.
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Not having seen that cartoon. I initially thought that they were poking India over our position. Something I could have forgiven.

Once I saw the cartoon and understood what they were trying to communicate. I realised that these clowns are beyond recovery.

The Russians will have to clean up this nest of snakes. Let them take up residence in UK and US.
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arvin wrote:^^^
They morphed Goddess Kali into a distasteful cartoon in
a mushroom cloud.
Posting as url as it is downright distasteful

https://cdn.wionews.com/sites/default/f ... width=1920

The ukies are plain b@#ds
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What some Indian needs to do is portray the Neo Nazi clowns as Raktabeej and the goddess going through them. Using Putin as her instrument.

That will be the correct response.
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A good number of these snakes will escape to Europe and the US and will bite their masters in the years to come.
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I didn’t really find it offensive. It takes wit to offend.

It might have been more accurate to portray a grinning Jesus. Armageddon and the second coming and all that.
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India beats Saudi to emerge as the biggest refined petroleum products supplier to Europe !
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Waiting when we will beat china in solar panel exports to europe.
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YashG wrote:Waiting when we will beat china in solar panel exports to europe.
By the time India develops sufficient capacity. Europe will no longer be able to afford any thing.
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A systematic analysis of multiple wars overlapping into a "Ukraine War"
A good watch. Playback speed of 1.25 to 1.5 is totally understandable.

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Russian troops suffer radiation sickness after digging trenches near Chernobyl nuclear plant
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/russia- ... 2023-05-02
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Looks like after Seymour Hersh expose on Nordstream pipeline blow up got more traction than what the West expected, an attempt to put out a competing cover story blaming the Russians

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65461401

No reason given as to why exactly they would do sabotage their own pipeline that they funded…

Predictably PeePeeC puts it as lead story front and centre
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Tanaji wrote:Looks like after Seymour Hersh expose on Nordstream pipeline blow up got more traction than what the West expected, an attempt to put out a competing cover story blaming the Russians

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65461401

No reason given as to why exactly they would do sabotage their own pipeline that they funded…

Predictably PeePeeC puts it as lead story front and centre
Zombie news time! Resurrecting dead theories to obfuscate.

Proper investigation would give an entire list of every ship near that point over 6 months.

3 months before blast -- there was a Russian ship there. Well, the Russians may have been checking on the safety of their own assets.

Peddling correlation as causation.

Why haven't they released the likely source of explosive yet? What of the remaining one that did not detonate?
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Now what if the US feels it does NOT need a UN constrained by Russia and China's Veto powers..Keep in mind they are already doing exactly that it doesnt. UN is just in a name now.
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Baniansky is at the Hague going to great pains to state that he is not behind the drone attack on the Kremlin. I wonder what the reluctance to admit this is…

Also this seems to be a begging trip for more aid and his pet demand for jets. Belgium premier seems to be exulting to be at the same platform as him… odd , unless there are domestic compulsions.

PeePeeC as usual giving headline coverage
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Tanaji wrote:Baniansky is at the Hague going to great pains to state that he is not behind the drone attack on the Kremlin. I wonder what the reluctance to admit this is…

Also this seems to be a begging trip for more aid and his pet demand for jets. Belgium premier seems to be exulting to be at the same platform as him… odd , unless there are domestic compulsions.

PeePeeC as usual giving headline coverage
Reluctance to admit this? I don't think Zelensky wants to be the recipient of attacks on his life, in response to attack on Putin's life.

But the serious question is -- who did this?

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Russians are already trying to take out Zelensky, even before the drone attack. There were reports a while ago about Russian snatch teams hunting for him….
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If Russia directly eliminates Z they will lose a lot of non-west support. They have let him get too big. Russia's interests are better served now by exposing Z and thereby discrediting the western nations and leaders who supported him. Or trigger a coup in Kiev but that seems very difficult now. Z has gotten better than IK at international begging and anti-Z factions in Ukr will keep him in place so that they can enjoy the huge moolah he brings.
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Why waste time on zelensky. He will fade away from international scene within the next year.

Once the scale of the western debacle becomes clear. Zelensky will be dropped like the piece of s that he is.

The world will go round the sun one more time and life will go on.
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Cyrano wrote:If Russia directly eliminates Z they will lose a lot of non-west support. They have let him get too big. Russia's interests are better served now by exposing Z and thereby discrediting the western nations and leaders who supported him. Or trigger a coup in Kiev but that seems very difficult now. Z has gotten better than IK at international begging and anti-Z factions in Ukr will keep him in place so that they can enjoy the huge moolah he brings.
Perhaps true as of last week, but perhaps not true anymore. Russia now has a casus belli to retaliate and go for Zelensky that they can make a strong case for. Which makes me wonder if it was a false flag operation or not.
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Baniansky is now fair game for a hypersonic kinzhal through his window !!
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That drone attacked looked like a diwali pataka gone wrong. Clearly that was not going to harm Putin. Looks like a false flag operation.
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Lets look at this practically. The drone used seemed like couldn't have flown directly from Ukr, it had to be launched a few kms from Kremlin. A drone attack at night, carrying a low power explosive munition enters a famous very large high secure zone at night to kill Putin. The blast radius might have been lethal within a proximity radius of max 5 meters, very generously 10 meters with no separating elements like glass panels or walls. Predicting the exact location of the most sough after target and the most protected person in Russia, where he would be totally exposed and lingering long enough for a quadcopter battery powered drone to reach him flying fast and with impeccable timing given its short battery life, and go off very very close to him with 1/100th second precision explosion to achieve a kill. The odds of success are like less than 1 in a billion. Some specialised anti drone defense system tracked and shot it with a single shot. The 2nd drone - not sure how it was brought down.

Some dissident Russians could have done it. More likely some SBU plant in Russia has done this, there are quite a few of them as other assassinations have shown. They did this with explicit Go from Kiev, knowing success is near impossible. This was done to provoke, to make Russia react spectacularly and use it to increase Kiev's begging effectiveness which has been falling lately. Just like the world's interest on Kiev's fate.

The best response would be for Russia to launch a few Kinjhals on Kiev's HQ zone while Z is away so that he doesnt dare to come back. Eliminating a few top officials of the Kiev regime may force a putsch. Russia can perhaps extract a lot more mileage from that.
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very conveniently Baniansky is not at home !!!
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behind a paywall..if anyone has access please put some info

https://worldview.stratfor.com/situatio ... -dominance

India and Russia suspended talks to settle bilateral trade in rupees, Reuters reported on May 4
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gonzalo lira US citizen living in Kharkov famous for his podcasts arrested by Ukr army https://twitter.com/Sinnaig/status/1654 ... 62050?s=20
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This was done by the Ukrainians last year as well.

I think that this time the US will turn a blind eye.
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Pratyush wrote:Why waste time on zelensky. He will fade away from international scene within the next year.

Once the scale of the western debacle becomes clear. Zelensky will be dropped like the piece of s that he is.

The world will go round the sun one more time and life will go on.
Zelensky is. Not making money just for himself but pretty sure the " big man" gets his due ... us dollars going around in circles
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Why Poland will be Europe’s next superpower
https://archive.ph/TCsIO

lengthy Telegraph UK article decribing
-Poland is a military supoer power now far superior than Germany etc
-QoL much better than West Europe
- A manufacturing hub
so what is its contribution to EU?
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IndraD wrote:Why Poland will be Europe’s next superpower
https://archive.ph/TCsIO

lengthy Telegraph UK article decribing
-Poland is a military supoer power now far superior than Germany etc
-QoL much better than West Europe
- A manufacturing hub
so what is its contribution to EU?
The Brits exited EU in 2013, within months after that the Ukraine situation escalated to the point - with US/UK eying the ports in Odessa as well as Sevastopol - where a bloodless takeover of Crimea by Russia became necessary. After 2014, the Brits again played a key role in escalating (fighting with a shadow sword - the US), demonising Russia through the "plutonium poisoning" stories, and steadily upped the ante until the war started in 2022. Then, in April 2022, it put an end (Bo Jo's visit) to Zelensky's thoughts of negotiations - and pressed for escalation at every point (deployment of tanks, use of depleted uranium shells, and now takes the line that negotiations when Ukraine is on the backfoot is not on). The rationale: steadily increasing chaos in the Eurasian landmass - from powerful Western European states being emasculated (Germany/France in particular it's main economic adversaries) to working for disintegration of Russia.

If someone can tell me EXACTLY why David Cameron decided, and what prompted his decision, to hold a referendum on EU membership - please enlighten here. I don't the post-facto rationalizing. I mean what was the sense of urgency at the time for him to promise a referendum, which could not then be backed off from.
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JEM,

I have the following take on the whole situation. Note that I don't distinguish between pre world war 2 British interests WRT Europe and post 91 US.

The old Anglo policy was to ensure that none of the powers in the European land mass get too powerful.

In order to ensure this outcome. They always acted in concert with no 2 European land power to chop down no1.

The first Crimean war was fought for exactly the same reason by the Anglo -French and the Turkish against the Russians.

The Russians were getting too big for their shoes. That war was a way to hold the Russians down for a brief period of time.

With the emergence of Germany, the Brits became friends with the Russians and French in order to keep the Germans in check. That in turn resulted in 2 world wars. Before Germany could be successfully handled.

The USA completely and totally supplanted the old British after the second world war.

Post 91, and more importantly after the launch of Euro the US was faced with a situation where it was faced with potentially 2 major land powers in Europe. In shape of Euro land ( France and Germany) and the Russian Federation.

Note: Bush Jr was diverted by 911.
During Obama regime, the focus returns to Europe.

Carrying on. Now, if you look at the role Britain has played historically as the offshore balancer to Europe when allied with no 2 European land power. It makes sense for Britain to leave the European Union when it did.

US & Britain plus Poland. Acting in concert in Ukraine to provoke Russians. A Russia fighting Ukraine limits the Russian military potential to it's near abroad.

The war in turn is used to damage German economy by cutting off its access to cheap Russian energy and mineral resources. An economically enfeebled Germany in turn removes one half of the economic muscle of the Franco - German potential. Further weakening Euro land.

All in all a remarkably ambitious plan for the dominance of Europe for another 50 years.

The PRC is the joker in the pack.
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Pratyush,

I broadly agree. In fact, I had written on this in this thread itself I think, but I can't find where - a longish post about the Anglosphere, examining the mindsets behind it, and how we are back to the pre-World War 1 game in Eurasia of the Heartland States and Maritime States... Continental Europe has no "stable" role in that game unless it asserts itself as much against the Maritime states as the states to their east.

Yes, it is a remarkably dominance + empire oriented mindset within the Anglosphere, which incidentally are all maritime states.
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https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4886681


]Taiwan Minister of National Defense Chiu Kuo-cheng (邱國正) on Monday (May 8) said that the armed forces would not tolerate the destruction of any Taiwanese facility, in response to a suggestion by U.S. Congressman Seth Moulton that the U.S. should warn China that it would "blow up" Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. (TSMC) if it attacked Taiwan.
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Z recently was in Italy, met pope went to Paris, Berlin, London recd red carpet treatment, petals showered on agent saboteur who would get the EU, Russian resources(!), what was he promised and what were these runarounds about?!
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