Russian-Ukranian War: Geopolitical Fallout

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2022.11.05 The Oil Price Cap Idiocy.

India's Reliance and Indianoil can refine crude and sell the final product like petrol, diesel, etc.

Mean-e-while
November 3 - U.S. soldiers are falling in Ukraine.
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Ukraine warns Iran on drones:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63528183

The sheer sense of entitlement never fails to amaze
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Indeed if America can try a regime change in SA, they can finally control the opec price.
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Why I think Scholz will toe Russian line:

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One aspect overlooked by most is the impact of this war on the cost and availability of Mediterranean foodstuffs like olive oil.
As the export of sunflower oil from Ukraine has dwindled, the consumption of refined olive oil and olive pomace oil has increased exponentially. So much so that now refined olive oil and pomace oil is nearly as expensive as extra virgin olive oil. Instead of using sunflower oil for pickling and for frying, industries are forced to use refined olive oil and pomace oil, thus driving up demand.

Furthermore, due to shortage of gas to industries, the glass manufacturers have been hard hit. Prices of glass bottles have soared and availability has been badly impacted.

These are some lesser known fallouts if the war but these impact us daily.
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NRao wrote:
kit wrote:What it means to be an American ally is now pertinently clear to everyone. Best example is Europe.
Just for the record, Putin blamed the Anglo-Saxon!!! He could have as easily said Americans.

There is/seems more to this. Certainly our current analytical tools are useless. Prefer to wait and see what Olaf Scholz does - earlier I had posted that he could align with Russia.

Pakalam
He may have actually meant WASP's, ie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Ang ... d%20States.

ie Five Eyes. Think about this carefully, how Europeans are taken for granted and forced into situations NOT of their own making. Remember how France was treated because it refused to 'help' in the invasion of Iraq by Bush, Blair...... The Europeans and 'Honourable Whites' are treated as vassals of the WASP's ('Honourable Whites' = Japan, South Koreans, Taiwan and the recently confirmed member Singapore). Please note absence of Israel in list and anger with English speaking India for not sending over completed application form for being a Vassal.

P.S. For those who may not be aware, Honourable Whites in not a conjure of my mind, it actually exists and was in practical use in Protestant South Africa, ie,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorary_whites
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Lisa wrote:
NRao wrote:
Just for the record, Putin blamed the Anglo-Saxon!!! He could have as easily said Americans.



He may have actually meant WASP's, ie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Ang ... d%20States.

ie Five Eyes. Think about this carefully, how Europeans are taken for granted and forced into situations NOT of their own making. Remember how France was treated because it refused to 'help' in the invasion of Iraq by Bush, Blair...... The Europeans and 'Honourable Whites' are treated as vassals of the WASP's ('Honourable Whites' = Japan, South Koreans, Taiwan and the recently confirmed member Singapore). Please note absence of Israel in list and anger with English speaking India for not sending over completed application form for being a Vassal.
hilarious but true ., India is only now truly becoming independent. It is pertinent to think why it took so many decades after independence to achieve this,
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kit wrote:
Lisa wrote:
hilarious but true ., India is only now truly becoming independent. It is pertinent to think why it took so many decades after independence to achieve this,
Kitji,

India is a "disabled" nation as it incapable of the acceptance of the established necessary characteristics of the WASPs, ie, acceptance of,

Conquer, Capture, Colonize, Convert etc.

Apologies for off-tropic post
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Lisa wrote:
..... The Europeans and 'Honourable Whites' are treated as vassals of the WASP's ('Honourable Whites' = Japan, South Koreans, Taiwan and the recently confirmed member Singapore). Please note absence of Israel in list and anger with English speaking India for not sending over completed application form for being a Vassal.

P.S. For those who may not be aware, Honourable Whites in not a conjure of my mind, it actually exists and was in practical use in Protestant South Africa, ie,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorary_whites
I seem to recollect the term was "Honorary Whites" and included all Chinese as the wonderful South Africans could not distinguis them from the Japanese who were the industrial powerhouse in that day.
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@Lisa,

When I said:
Certainly our current analytical tools are useles
I had exactly the argument you made in my mind.

Shifts in global polarity comes at a huge cost, accompanied by tectonic calamities.

We might be witnessing the real end of the British Empire.

Pakalam.
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Many threads ago someone asked whether India could process the "heavy Russian" crude to which answer was "sky is the limit" and Russia could effectively replace middle east oil

and now

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/bus ... 336088.cms


Russia, which made up for just 0.2 per cent of all oil imported by India in the year to March 31, 2022, supplied 935,556 barrels per day (bpd) of crude oil to India in October -- the highest ever.
It now makes up for 22 per cent of India's total crude imports, ahead of Iraq's 20.5 per cent and Saudi Arabia's 16 per cent.

BRF ahead of the curve .. as usual 8)
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Beginning of the UKe war apologists perceived of geopolitical aims but we clearly said this was driven by American Mil Ind complex ..and now

https://theconversation.com/ukraine-the ... war-178806

"Less discussed is the almost half trillion dollar (£381 billion) defence industry supplying the weapons to both sides, and the substantial profits it will make as a result.

The biggest risk to investors, as explained by Richard Aboulafia, managing director of US defence consultancy AeroDynamic Advisory, is that “the whole thing is revealed to be a Russian house of cards and the threat dissipates”.

With no signs of that happening, defence companies are benefiting in several ways. As well as directly selling arms to the warring sides and supplying other countries that are donating arms to Ukraine, they are going to see extra demand from nations such as Germany and Denmark who have said they will raise their defence spending."

Uke war has become a cash cow for western arms manufacturers (and oil companies) to the detriment of rest of their economies. A vampire weapons complex now slowly sucking the blood off from rest of the body.,

as the body (oirope) perishes the vampire will be out looking at the rest of the world and all the hotspots to feast., if not it will devour the rest of America.
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https://archive.ph/xu0N2
Could India Help Broker Peace in Ukraine?
India has good relations with both Russia and the West, and seeks a more muscular role in geopolitics. The biggest obstacle is that Ukrainians and Russians don’t want to talk.

of all the fake media ... it is NYT
In July, when a critical deal was brokered by the United Nations and Turkey to free up millions of pounds of desperately needed Ukrainian grain, India played an important behind-the-scenes role in helping sell the plan to Russia, which had been blockading the grain ships.
Two months later, when Russian forces were shelling the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant in Ukraine, leaving the world anxious about a nuclear catastrophe, India stepped in again and asked Russia to back off.

Throughout the Ukraine war, India has quietly assisted during a few pivotal moments like these. This week, India’s foreign minister is traveling to Moscow for meetings with Russian officials on economic and political issues. Diplomats and foreign-policy experts are watching closely to see if India can use its unique leverage as one of the world’s largest countries that is a friend to both East and West to press Russia to end its war in Ukraine.
Officials within the Indian government have already been discussing what role India might play in peacemaking efforts, when the time is right.

Earlier this year, France’s president, Emmanuel Macron, floated the idea of hosting peace talks along with India’s leader, Narendra Modi, according to two Indian officials. The Franco-Indian effort never materialized. But it showed that India is increasingly viewed as a potential peacemaker with access to both sides.
“Were Russia and Ukraine to express interest in having a neutral third party mediate,” said Jeff M. Smith, director of the Asian Studies Center at The Heritage Foundation, a Washington research institute, “India would be a strong candidate with credibility on both sides.”
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This mediation proposal is a trap we should avoid falling into. It will be used against us in cashmere down the line. Best we should do is to get Russia and Ukraine talk bilaterally and solve it to their satisfaction. Beyond that, none of our business so long we get our oil for a good price.
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U.S. privately asks Ukraine to show Russia it's open to talks, Washington Post reports
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-privat ... 022-11-05/
The Biden administration is privately encouraging Ukraine’s leaders to signal an openness to negotiate with Russia and drop their public refusal to engage in peace talks unless President Vladimir Putin is removed from power, the Washington Post reported on Saturday.

The paper quoted unnamed people familiar with the discussions as saying that the request by American officials was not aimed at pushing Ukraine to the negotiating table, but a calculated attempt to ensure Kyiv maintains the support of other nations facing constituencies wary of fueling a war for many years to come.
The paper said U.S. officials shared the assessment of their Ukrainian counterparts that Putin is not for now serious about negotiations, but acknowledged that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy's ban on talks with him had generated concern in parts of Europe, Africa and Latin America, where the war's effects on costs of food and fuel are felt most sharply.
"Ukraine fatigue is a real thing for some of our partners," the Post quoted one unnamed U.S. official as saying.
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From the NYT article above:
Two months later, when Russian forces were shelling the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant in Ukraine, leaving the world anxious about a nuclear catastrophe, India stepped in again and asked Russia to back off.
The bolded part is a blatant lie. ZNPP was already in Russian control for a couple of months BEFORE it started to get shelled. Why the heck would Russia shell a "crown jewel" like ZNPP (one of the biggest NPP in the world built with Soviet/Russian money) it had captured from Ukraine? Why would it invite IAEA to visit it? Why would they themselves attack the plant they hold with waves of barge attacks and kill dozens of their own soldiers each time?

So if the first part of the quote is a blatant lie, how much should we trust the second part?

Modi telling Putin "this is not an era of war" is not specifically referring to ZNPP.

So a lie plus a wilful misinterpretation. Seems like NTY has no stories left to write about the Ukr war. Nothing positive for Ukr and no new humanitarian catastrophy war crime for Russia. They are scraping the dregs of their hollow brains to come up with this trope.
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Regarding Indian mediation in this conflict:
Dr SJ has already said when the parties come to the negotiating table India will play it's role.

IMO what he means is NOT that India will help broker a compromise and ensure its implemented. Rather India will ensure the west is putting in sufficient measures and safeguards so that we won't have a repeat of the Minsk accords failure, and no puppet regime is installed by the west to reignite the fire in a few years.

Ukraine or whatever remains of it left under Russian influence will bring stability. But left under western influence will once again be used to goad Russia and will lead to instability. No doubt about that. Just like once a Paki always a Paki.
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During the period of 2008 - 2013, China expanded tremendously by taking advantage of the collapse of US due to its real estate bubble and credit default swap melting down. China wanted to be treated as equal to the US and mentioned this to Obummer. The US balked at the idea. The growing influence of China caused Trump to rise up in the US. And Trump really turned against China (you can call it Trumpism) and fingered them economically. Europe was at the receiving end too by Trump. This caused the Euros to look elsewhere and this is where China played ball. The Chinese offered their market access to the Euros and they would in turn invest in Europe (buying up their industries!). Olaf ran to china because this cozy arrangement will blow up and Germany would be looking at an abyss with no return. It looks like China is not budging so tis abyss for Germany.

It is to be noted that during the above time Russia offered to be part of Nato and also join Europe. However both these ideas were shot down by the US. The US instead caused the Ukraine maidan and expanded Nato.
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Price cap on Oil but not on Gas??

G7 to be ready with Russian oil price cap details by 5 December, US official says
G7 countries will be ready with all the operational details of a price cap on Russian seaborne crude oil by 5 December, when the measure is scheduled to kick in, a senior US official confirmed on Friday
...
The maximum price, which is still to be set by the G7, is to be just above Russian production costs to limit Moscow’s revenues from oil sales and reduce its ability to finance its invasion of Ukraine. (Russia's cost of production numbers are anyone's guess, can be as low as $10 and as high as $45/barrel)
...
“India and China are major importers of Russian oil. Our goal is to see Russian oil reach the market. India and China are very tough negotiators on price, so I expect they will not want to pay full price,” (is it the game to start a fight?)
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Gonzalo Lira, from 2 days ago. On oil price cap. 19 min long:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phs4eeQSCEE
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https://www.usnews.com/news/world/artic ... nsions-wsj

US oflate has had talks with Russsia (tp avoid N war?) however details are not known of the nature
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About time. Behind paywall:

Senior White House Official Involved in Undisclosed Talks With Top Putin Aides
Jake Sullivan has had confidential discussions with Russian counterparts amid concerns over escalation and nuclear threats
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^^
The collective West's intelligence level is going down day by day, with an increase in arrogance, ruthless/naive behavior and other base human degenerative behaviors. I am glad we have mantrijis who forcefully stand up for India and don't budge one bit. Puriji demolished this low IQ media person. BTW the media people are usually duffers in your class who because of their TV looks infest the media. Nothing is there in their heads, just the talking points mugged up and repeated ad nauseam.

Here is Shri S. Gurumurthy's take on Ukr-Russ struggle.

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Of all the reasons for the invasion this one was of paramount importance, says Medvedev..

Ex-Russian president names key reason for Ukraine conflict
https://www.rt.com/russia/566062-medved ... r-weapons/
7 Nov, 2022
Kiev’s nuclear ambitions spurred Moscow’s military operation, Dmitry Medvedev said. Ukraine’s threat to resume its nuclear program was one of the key reasons that forced Russia to launch its military operation in late February, former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev said on Monday. Moreover, prior to the start of the Ukraine conflict in late February, Zelenksy signaled that Kiev could give up its decades-old pledge to be a non-nuclear nation and reverse the decision it took to give up its atomic weapons - the nuclear arsenal they inherited after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
In case of nuclear exchange, Moscow has a Soviet-era system which can even hit back if NATO succeeds in taking out key decision makers called Perimeter, or ‘the Dead Hand’, informally. It was put on combat duty in 1983. What if the whole leadership was dead before they had the chance to order a retaliatory strike? Who would contact remote command posts and submarines? That exact fear, of a country beheaded, a country denied a chance to respond, a vulnerability leaving no space for reacting, had made the Soviets start considering their options. The only way left was to strike back only after confirming an attack by the enemy. The developers of Perimeter tried to minimize human interference. They were isolated in special spherical bunkers so deep underground that even a nuclear strike could not destroy them. These officers had a list of three criteria for launching an attack. The top officials could activate the Perimeter system and wait for events to evolve. The target was the US, along with other major NATO capitals.
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So now we know why Jayapal publicized the letter at this time.
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NRao wrote:About time. Behind paywall:
Jake Sullivan has had confidential discussions with Russian counterparts amid concerns over escalation and nuclear threats
If the US is so concerned about verbal "escalation and nuclear threats", they should stop doing it.

So far, the US and its chelas and chamchas (Poland and Ukraine) are the only ones indulging in this verbal diarrhea. If Biden wanted to, he could simply make one phone call each to Poland and Ukr and tell them, "Just STFU with your garbage threats". Done! Problem solved.
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Roop wrote: If the US is so concerned about verbal "escalation and nuclear threats", they should stop doing it.
So far, the US and its chelas and chamchas (Poland and Ukraine) are the only ones indulging in this verbal diarrhea. If Biden wanted to, he could simply make one phone call each to Poland and Ukr and tell them, "Just STFU with your garbage threats". Done! Problem solved.
Saar, the dialogue is being conducted by Neocons/lib of the deep state of US with their media mouthpiece. Biden is senile and he takes cue from the cabal for any media reporting. The cabal is trying to further the redlines, thinking that Rus will make a mistake and they can pin the entire blame on them. But Rus is smart and told everyone that Nukes are of the table and everything is spelt in their nuclear doctrine. Even NATO is being tutored by the cabal, so you hear some Eurotard blurting inane stmts to the media. But the Pentagon still has some sane people left and they know otherwise.
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Ahead Of S Jaishankar Visit, Moscow Says Russia And India Stand For...
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/ahead-o ... or-3498406
07 Nov 2022
"Russia and India stand for the active formation of a more just and equal polycentric world order, and proceed from the inadmissibility of promoting the imperialist diktat on the global arena," it said.
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WRT, the Russian nuclear weapons usage in Ukraine.

IIRC, the Russian nuclear doctrine stipulates that in the event of imminent loss of Russian territory, Russia will use nukes.

With the eastern territory amalgamated with Russia. Any loss of such territory now is ground for the use of nuclear weapons. As per Russian nuclear doctrine.
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In the scenario you describe, the use of nuclear weapons even tactical is a last ditch option and admission of fact that Russia cannot win, or even defend its territory using conventional forces.

But even in such a scenario, a tactical N strike on Kiev or Lyov or some far off place doesn't make sense, because if the idea is to take out Ukr leadership or C&C, a tactical n strike is unlikely to achieve that. These cities surely have fortified n bomb proof bunkers and survival systems built during cold war era and Russia knows it.

So the target zone for such an attack has to be on its recently lost/undefensible territory occupied by Ukr forces or Ukr formations and bases close to the front lines that Russia is unable to overcome.

It also means Russia is willing to inflict nuclear contamination fallout on Ukr and its own newly added territory - with terrible long term consequences. Large tracts of fertile lands, cities, towns and ports, factories etc on them will become out of bounds for decades, like Chernobyl is today. It will not only attract condemnation and distancing by every country on the planet including those that are supporting Russia or are neutral, but also strong rejection by Russia's own population including those from the new territories, leading to Putin's downfall. Such an act can also be used to justify a "stop madman Putin and rogue state Russia at any cost" retaliatory N strike by the US - in it's self appointed role as the global policeman.

Its therefore clear that from a tactical and strategic povs, Putin/Russia has nothing to gain by resorting to such a senseless and illogical, counterproductive action. The west knows this as well and thats why they keep harping on Putin the mad man narrative.

Funnily, its Zsky who has already called for a pre-emptive N strike by NATO on Russia and his masters slapped him and told him to shut his mouth. They dont want 2 mad men in the script. Ukraine's plans for a dirty bomb false flag were also exposed and cleverly neutered by Russia using UN, IAEA etc. With TRUSS gone, I think UK will no longer eagerly play the dirty role its been playing until now, EU countries dont have the balls to go that far and venture into N territory.

To conclude, a tactical or other N strike was never an option for Russia and its unlikely that it will ever become one in this conflict, irrespective of how things evolve in future - as long as
a) the conflict remains within Ukr territory and
b) NATO forces dont get directly involved and score big victories beyond the acquired territories and strike at the heart of Russia itself - bringing into play the trigger conditions in Russia's N doctrine.

Lastly, having a N doctrine is one thing, but making the decision to use N weapons and being willing to face all the myriad terrible consequences it would generate is quite another - even when the trigger conditions are met.
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US Quietly Asks Banks to Keep Some Ties With Russia, Even as Congress Balks https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ress-balks
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US to expand airbase in Pakistan of Europe-Poland

https://www.rt.com/news/566104-poland-e ... -air-base/
Poland will expand a military base hosting the US Combat Aviation Brigade in the coming years, the nation’s defense minister, Mariusz Blaszczak, announced on Monday during a visit to the facility. Located in the central Polish city of Powidz, the base is expected to strengthen the US Air Force operation capabilities in support of Polish and NATO forces in the region, he said.

The facility will get new hangars and warehouses as well as a bulk fuel storage facility nearby, the minister said, accompanied by US ambassador to Poland, Mark Brzezinski. The Powidz base hosts the US Apache strike helicopters.

Powidz “is turning into a military complex, preparing to support Polish and NATO forces on the eastern flank of the North Atlantic Alliance,” Blaszczak said amid unprecedented tensions between NATO and Russia over Moscow’s continued military offensive in Ukraine.

The base expansion comes as part of the 2020 Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement between Washington and Warsaw. The accord “creates conditions for a permanent, long-term presence of the US Armed Forces in Poland,” the Polish Defense Ministry said, adding that it would “strengthen” national security.

A total of 114 infrastructure projects at 11 locations are included into the agreement, which the ministry said will “enable the rapid development of additional combat capabilities in Central and Eastern Europe.”

According to Blaszczak, Warsaw also plans to build its own military potential by purchasing helicopters and tanks from the US. It is expected to receive Abrams tanks as early as next year. A purchase order for 96 attack helicopters has also been placed, according to the defense minister.

Last week, Us President Joe Biden said that the US forces that were “temporarily” deployed to Poland are likely to stay there for a “long time.” Warsaw previously asked Washington to permanently garrison troops in Poland, but that would technically violate a NATO treaty with Russia.

It is unknown how many US troops are currently in Poland, NATO’s main logistical hub for supporting the government in neighboring Ukraine. In May, the US ambassador in Warsaw revealed that over 12,600 American military personnel were in the country, the largest number in history.
How fortunes of Poland has changed! Barely a yr ago they were being asked by EU to accomodate immigrants if Pokraine wants EU money, all human right issues hshed under carpet amidst new found dalliance with US
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allegedely Z refused India's mediation and has asked Putin to be removed for peace talks.
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IndraD wrote:allegedely Z refused India's mediation and has asked Putin to be removed for peace talks.
Depends on the kick in the rear of Biden tonight. Then Biden will beg him
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india would likely be a peacemaker only when Ukraine agrees to talk to the Russians !! .. talk about another oxymoron.
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I don't get this fixation about India playing the peace maker between Russia and Ukraine. This is NOT a "passage obligé" to earn our credentials as a world leader.

There are so many layers of history that played out over centuries from the era of mongol invasions, clashes between islam and xtianity, separation of orthodoxy, successive empires incl Byzantine & Ottoman, Polish, Estonian, Russian etc. who criss crossed Ukrainian land, and more recently modern European wars, WW1, WW2, colder... India will find it extremely difficult to understand the parties' grudges, grievances, claims and outrages. When you cannot understand the parties' motivations and thinking, you can't arbitrate. The only way left to mediate is give a slap to both and force them to agree. Which India cannot and will not do.

The best role India can play is that of a neutral observer to keep overreach in check and be a facilitator in the reaching and then the implementation of agreed terms between Russia and the West in Ukraine. Sticking to this much does not diminish India's stature in any way.
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Re: Russian-Ukranian War: Geopolitical Fallout

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BTW, C Rajamohan's thinking seems to be unoriginal and beyond expiry date, and this is not the first time. Sad.
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Re: Russian-Ukranian War: Geopolitical Fallout

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India must not get into any peace making trap in this war.

We are not impartial in the conflict.

Our interests are served well with a Russia achieving it's aims in Ukraine.

Not in a restoration of status quo ante bellam.

A defeated Russia will be disastrous for global peace and security.
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