Russian-Ukranian War: Geopolitical Fallout

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Agree.
While the west pretends that Russian defeat will mean a defeat of "unprovoked aggression" and just punishment for "violating another country's territorial integrity" and denies the events leading up to Feb24 ever happened, the reality is quite the opposite. Russia's defeat will only legitimise the west's methods of regime change, duplicity, violation of sovereignty, corruption, exploitation and sacrifice of a brainwashed country and its people for its hegemonic agenda.
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:mrgreen:

Click on the link below to watch the video.

https://twitter.com/sidhant/status/1590 ... mBlsoV2tNA ---> Moscow: India's EAM Jaishankar says, "for us Russia has been stead & time tested partner"; On energy imports points that, "it is our fundamental obligation that Indian consumer has best possible access."
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It is a mistaken notion that the peace has to be mediated betweek Ukr and Rus. The real peace agreement is with US and Rus, these two need to come to some understanding. Nato is involved and its expansion is the root cause of the conflict, all the rest don't matter. Ukr is the guinea pig in the war. The four regions absorbed by Rus is not going to go back to Ukr. Rus objectives are to make Ukr a rump state and no Nato on its doorsteps.
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bala wrote:It is a mistaken notion that the peace has to be mediated betweek Ukr and Rus. The real peace agreement is with US and Rus, these two need to come to some understanding. Nato is involved and its expansion is the root cause of the conflict, all the rest don't matter. Ukr is the guinea pig in the war. The four regions absorbed by Rus is not going to go back to Ukr. Rus objectives are to make Ukr a rump state and no Nato on its doorsteps.
the amerikis are starting to change the narrative slightly and are pushing to involve India in a meditator's role in the ukr-Rus conflict.

This is a trap, baited, sprung and set to snare India in a hopeless position where India's stand will be compromised and her intentions called into question.

If India agrees, then germany and the pakis, along with the amerikis singing hosannas will demand mediation and compromise in cashmere as well.
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That and there will likely be demands of the usual “ peace keeping force” with boots on the ground to be provided by India…

It will be the wedge used to sabotage india-Russia relations.
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Nation first. India to continue to purchase oil from Russia as it works to its advantage: Jaishankar

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/ec ... 111553.ece
November 08, 2022

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So, what works to our advantage, I would like to keep that going,” Jaishankar said at a joint press conference after the first round of his bilateral talks on Tuesday with his Russian counterpart Sergey Lavrov and Russian Trade Minister and Deputy Prime Minister Denis Manturov in Moscow on Tuesday. “It is also essential that our time-tested defence relationship continues to perform smoothly,” he said. India-Russia bilateral trade jumped more than four times in the April-September 2022 period to $22.6 billion compared to $5.7 billion in the comparable period last year, according to figures released by the Commerce & Industry Ministry.

Answering a question on whether growing pressure from the West, which was intensifying its economic sanctions against Russia for its continued aggression in Ukraine, was affecting India-Russia relationship, the Indian Minister said that the big size of his delegation said it all. “We are clearly on the side of peace, respect for international law and support for the UN Charter. Insofar as specific initiatives pertaining to issues like food grains and fertiliser shipments are concerned, or any other problem for that matter, India will be as helpful as we can be,” the Minister said.
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If India is still worried about someone will interfere in Kashmir after all that has happened - then we are NOT worthy to be on world stage. We should be way over that by now.
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Another data point:

https://twitter.com/vtchakarova/status/ ... 0683892736
Countries whose largest trading partner is China or the USA. #geoeconomics

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V_Raman wrote:If India is still worried about someone will interfere in Kashmir after all that has happened - then we are NOT worthy to be on world stage. We should be way over that by now.
Has the west ever made a statement that J&K is an integral part of India.

If not then why should we care about what it thinks about India and where our interests are.
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Well i am saying the same thing as you. Why should India worry that someone might rake up kashmir if we play the mediator in Rus/Ukr conflict?
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I understood and was just expanding on your post.
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Russia has sent its 2nd ever crude oil shipment east through the ARCTIC Northern Sea route towards China.

This route will save 14days over Suez Canal route for China and even for India.

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There are two events that IMO are very important and one could take the spotlight off Ukraine.

* Iran-Saudi Arabia have been talking for some 2 years. I did not know this until a week ago. This is very crucial and could overturn many apple carts in the West. Close enough for the US to claim, last week, an Iranian strike on SA is imminent

* The more critical of the two: Xi is flying to Riyadh to meet MBS, ostensibly to nail down details of SA joining BRICS!!! The obvious speculation here is that SA could start accepting payments in currencies other than USD. Followed closely by BRICS forming its own reserve currency, which is no longer a secret. This will not be tolerated by the US, which physically attacked both Iraq and Libya and killed their leaders wh dared to float the idea of selling oil in any other currency other than USD
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Another important trend happening is that nations want an alternate to the western view of things. BRICS happens to have key players Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. Maybe a name change is required from BRICS or they keep it (like a UN security council) and admit general body members. This new organization can provide world leadership, a new voice, a new alternate. They can work on trade, exchange currency, banking, security and much more. Maybe they pool resources and create the alternate to western commodities like aircrafts, software, etc. The West can no more dictate terms.

a dozen or more nations wanting to join..
More than a dozen countries have expressed an interest in joining the BRICS group, which incorporates some of the world’s major emerging economies, as the bloc gains more global standing, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said. The bloc is also expected to consider adding Saudi Arabia, Türkiye, Egypt and Afghanistan. “The interest in this global association is very, very high and continues to grow,” he said. He confirmed that “more than a dozen” countries are eager to join, including Algeria, Argentina, and Iran.
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https://impakter.com/brics-expansion-fi ... s-in-2023/
Just over two weeks after Russian state media announced that Iran and Argentina filed their official applications to join BRICS, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Egypt began the process of making the same move, the alliance President Purnima Anand said on July 14.
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Kit, what would get your attention about NOT quoting entire long posts? Multiple admins including me have asked multiple times before.

Be nice to forum readers
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I do not think the number of countries wanting to "join" BRICS matters as much as the potential for BRICS to establish an alternative to the USD as a reserve currency. An alt USD would be a devastating blow to the US. The US cannot recover from such a blow, which is what WILL lead to multiple regime changes and/or wars.

BTW, if an alt reserve is established, India should be prepared to enter a conflict. 100%. As a nation that is seeking to be one of the poles in a multipolar world AND a party to establishing an alt reserve currency, India cannot avoid entering a conflict.
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No chance for Peace now that senile fellow will be thinking it is endorsement of war strategy
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NRao wrote:I do not think the number of countries wanting to "join" BRICS matters as much as the potential for BRICS to establish an alternative to the USD as a reserve currency. An alt USD would be a devastating blow to the US. The US cannot recover from such a blow, which is what WILL lead to multiple regime changes and/or wars.

BTW, if an alt reserve is established, India should be prepared to enter a conflict. 100%. As a nation that is seeking to be one of the poles in a multipolar world AND a party to establishing an alt reserve currency, India cannot avoid entering a conflict.
India will not be entering into a conflict with the United States.
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eklavya wrote: India will not be entering into a conflict with the United States.
By declaring to be a "pole" in a "multipolar new world order" (as early as 2019) and subscribing to using currencies other than the USD as the reserve currency, India has already entered into a conflict. That arrow has left the bow and cannot be recalled.

So, it is up to the uni-pole to respond. And, the US has actually already done so: Victoria Nuland, Dalip Singh (he openly warned India while in India), Biden (said India is "shaky"), Blinken (after a 2+2 warned India about minority rights or something similar), Boris Johnson, Ursala van der Leyen (Both on a visit to India), supplying spares for Paki F-16s, and in the past day or two Janet Yellen (who is due to visit India within the week), have in one way or another warned India.

And, IF Putin were to fall (which I do not think will happen), then this thing about the multipolar world order is over. China will not stand a chance.

What I will give is that India is not a priority at this point in time - but certainly, India is considered to be a threat to the current world order. No two ways about that.
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In purely macroeconomic terms, oil sales being recorded in some non-dollar currency is not a deal breaker except in perhaps as a 'loss of face'. US could, if it wants to, just shrug it off. In any case volume of trade in crude and petroleum products at ICE and other global exchanges which dwarfs physical trade in these commodities, one can be sure that those would continue to be in dollars. Even the fact that the US will have to find this 'other currency' to finance its imports wouldn't hurt it at all. There is simply far too much of world money flowing into the US. Just to give you a sense of perspective the annual deficit in trade in goods and services is of the order of $800 billion. The US could simply fund it out of money flowing into its economy in a month. For instance, in Q2 2022, net inflow by way investments (both direct and portfolio investments) was of the order of $4 trillion. As long as the global rich find US a safe haven for their incremental wealth the US dollar is sitting pretty. In short, flow of money into the US on capital account is the key.
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Oh, I am dead sure you are right about macro/micro economics, in-flow, etc.

But, do you really think a guy like Blinken or Sullivan or Nuland even cares about such things? 1000s have died in Ukraine and they want to even more - that is all they know, no reverse gear.

Simply put, it is about "monetary imperialism". "Monetary" only because we are talking about "USD", else drop even that word.

I said this about a week or two ago - stop being logical and talking about UN charter, etc. They do not exist. Just load up. India should print a cool USD 50 billion worth - dedicated only for arms she can make - no AMCA or some improved Kaveri engine or R&D - only for items that India is currently making. 2026 or thereabouts.
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Trade between India and Russia already uses Rupee/Rouble mechanism. Currency of trade is decided mutually by buyer and seller. Trouble for India is that President Putin has put Russia on the path of dependency on PRC, which is a strategic problem for India. The sooner President Putin can extricate himself from his Ukraine blunder, the better it will be for India. As for the US, they are a key source of support against PLA aggression on India’s borders.
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"Now is the time to make peace in Ukraine"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYCaeRwxgLc
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https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/159 ... qb6bEKfzfw
Hwood actor gifts his Oscar to Z in recognition of his acting as Ukraine president while working in the interest of US
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S Jaishankar and Russian press conference.

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NRao wrote:I do not think the number of countries wanting to "join" BRICS matters as much as the potential for BRICS to establish an alternative to the ...reserve currency.

BTW, if an alt reserve is established, India should be prepared to enter a conflict. 100%. As a nation that is seeking to be one of the poles in a multipolar world AND a party to establishing an alt reserve currency, India cannot avoid entering a conflict.
the conflict in Ukie is very much manifestation of conflict(s) you are referring to (except no one gives f%^# to Ukies, sadly). By convincing the you-row-peans to bankroll Ukie war, and invite energy sanctions from russ, destroying existing energy infrastructure, uncle appears to be in the process of destabilizing you-row-zone (and YooK) and likely threaten the existence of you-row currency, as a soft reserve status next to thollar. Ever since the brexit, Yook is in free fall. If uncle has come to a realization that emergence of alt currency is unavoidable, it makes sense for them to eliminate you-row, to eliminate competition. And, that is precisely what appears to be unfolding. Destabilization of you-row benefits uncle and russ for different reasons.

BRICS countries believe that the real reserve currency is oil/gas (and chips/software as second order derivative), but not some fiat currency. Will BRICS+ face the fate of eye-rack/leebeeya? Not sure about that...but, divide and conquer is the only option and, is that why Loolla was brought out of prison to take charge of B in BRICS? it is natural for existing currency monopoly to feel the threat, but alt currency, if and when occurs, would be presented as a something more useful for the new bloc meeting its needs than actively working against some currency. And, it is a correct way to look at it, but lot of things are already moving behind the scenes in anticipation. Stock markets in the wyest are collapsing, uncle already encashed ~$10 trillion using Kovid excuse, and by encashing bitcoin at $60K, large sums of money have been taken out by someone in preparation of major tectonic shifts about to happen...For India, what we have seen in mudi-ji's operating model is to not eliminate a "line", but make a new line bigger and longer than the first one. Definitely some interesting times ahead starting in 2023.
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eklavya wrote:Trade between India and Russia already uses Rupee/Rouble mechanism. Currency of trade is decided mutually by buyer and seller. Trouble for India is that President Putin has put Russia on the path of dependency on PRC, which is a strategic problem for India. The sooner President Putin can extricate himself from his Ukraine blunder, the better it will be for India. As for the US, they are a key source of support against PLA aggression on India’s borders.
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Interested people would also say that India has blundered on cashmere and we should understand the ameriki position when they support the pakis because the amerikis and the hans have a long standing trade and defence relationship with the pakis and the amerikis did good by liberally gifting dual use technology to the hans, made massive investments by ameriki companies and have created an ameriki dependency on the hans.

the amerikis are all show and no go as far as support to India against the hans goes. Their solution to all problems that the Indians face with the hans is buy all your weapons from us and the hans say allow us to trade and you forget about the border issues. Each issue should go in separate compartments

amerikis support our enemies

hans also support our enemies

both of them want regime change in India and both want to install their puppet governments (that's exactly what the congis are because eyetalian led simply means India bled, in the truest east India company style and colonial tradition) because they need to control the resource filled massive landmass and the vast pool of docile and politically neutral manpower willing to work hard for very little money.

any country that has made the major mistake of trusting either the amerikis or the hans is truly f#(ked and far from home and examples are there on all continents for anyone to see.

and here you are, advocating that we forsake the russians, the only powerful and trusted friend that we have and one who trusts us as we trust them.

What ever your motives or reasoning, Modi is a global player and without the russian veto in the UN and our defence treaty, we would have been gobbled up decades ago. Modi has leveraged all that to set his own terms on the global stage in an unmistakable but limited sense. The stance will very obviously change, as and when the GDP rises.

Neither Modi, Doval, nor Jaishankar are the fools that you seem to imagine them to be because otherwise, you would not have taken or even advocated this geopolitical stance.

Before all else, they are nationalists of the kind that was last seen in people like SC Bose or Sardar patel.

Putin has his own beef with expansionist xi and the ever greedy hans have covetously been eyeing resource rich siberia for decades now. Putin needs a quiet border to concentrate more on fending off the amerikis and their proxies in europe. Putin has the hans in a well
monitored holding pattern and the hans are massively stocking up on slyly purchased Indian food grains and russian oil, among other things.

As a nuke state, with state of the art offensive and defensive weapon systems of every imaginable kind, he will deal with xi and his puppets when the time is ripe and the global scenario is more conducive and suitable to his liking

India and Russia together have the capacity and the capability to produce a vast excess of food grains and oilseeds which very few other players have.

The eyrabs have already become jittery about steady food supplies, as indeed the europeans also have, because hunger will cause their pampered populace to revolt.

No one else in the world would/could have fed 800 million people three meals a day for such a long time and that scheme continues even today with the global economy in such a mess.

World leaders all know this and our continued missile tests keeps xi and his cabal awake at night, especially after his little darling princes took a solid pasting at galwan.

Wall street will never allow the POTUS to take India's side against the hans because they fund the POTUS, his election and his party and he, in turn ensures that they profit under every and all circumstances. Their massive investments in cheeni manufacturing will not be risked.

war between cheenis and India is an chance for them to precipitate a regime change in India and change of govt means change of policies, repeal of FCRA, massive sales of useless but expensive weapons ityadi ityadi. (and of course, a very pliable "secular" raincoated govt that unquestionably follows ameriki orders with alacrity)

Over the years, without the solid and dependable support provided by the russians to India and now the support that the Indians are providing to the russians, both would have been in deep trouble.

We are only returning the favor in a very dharmic way

with respect, you may like to revisit your current position and revaluate the efficacy of your proposals.

ps how many gora teevee channels came to India to cover the situation after the gawlan attack...
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Agree Chetak ji,
Russia is the only reliable friend India has in as much as such friends exist. Russia is resource rich, India will be, in a couple of decades, also the most human resource rich country on the planet while most of the RoW will go into a demographic sunset. Like Russia is a target for its resources, India is too. Luckily for Russia its resources don't leave the country on a plane ticket. Ours do.

While India is indeed a surplus food producer today, we still are monsoon dependent, fertiliser import dependent, together they can make us vulnerable. If and when that happens, the cream of our resources will fly out or be poached 10x mercilessly. We have something to learn from Lebanon example on this.

Ukraine will be the next. Their society has been losing talented resources to the west for a long time. Since Feb24, they have already lost millions of youth and reproductive age women as refugees (about 9 million out of 40 or so), most aren't coming back to dead fathers and crippled husbands. A whole generation of educated, able bodied men lost in this meaningless war they provoked with Russia. Plus they lost another 8-10 million along with the four territories that went to Russia. Ukraine as a national construct is less than a hollow shell now. It can never become a viable and stable nation again.

The significant and constant effort NaMo & SJ put into our diaspora is a conscious long term investment to be able to leverage our free flown resources someday, somehow, to make someone pay. Hindutva's pull alone isn't strong enough. If ease and quality of living improves to reach western levels for the urban middle-class in Tier 1, 2 & 3 cities, India can perhaps combat this flight of resources effectively. We've got another 20 years max.
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Ukraine urged to grasp ‘window of opportunity’ for peace talks with Russia
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/ ... ks-russia/
The US is urging Ukraine to use a "window of opportunity" for peace talks to end the war, as world leaders prepare for a showdown with Vladimir Putin at next week’s G20 summit.

A top US general said a lull in fighting over winter might open the door to a negotiated settlement, as White House officials hold direct talks with the Kremlin.

It comes as Russia started a major withdrawal from Kherson, allowing Ukraine to advance on the only regional capital Moscow captured earlier this year.

Joe Biden’s administration has been privately telling Volodymyr Zelensky, the Ukrainian president, to drop his refusal to talk with Russia, it was reported last week

On Thursday, Jake Sullivan, the US national security adviser, denied pressuring Ukraine to make concessions. But the senior Biden official has made a surprise visit to Kyiv in recent days and has been speaking directly with the Kremlin, according to US media.

"What we're doing is consulting as partners and showing our support, not just through public statements or moral support but through the tangible physical support of military assistance," he said of Ukraine.

The new diplomatic drive comes ahead of next week's G20 summit - where Putin, the Russian president, may appear by videolink. Sergei Lavrov, his foreign minister, is set to lead the Russian delegation.

On Thursday, Rishi Sunak and Mr Zelensky discussed confronting Russia at the meeting, where Ukraine's key allies sit down with several non-Western powers that have so far maintained a neutral position on the war.
Mr Zelensky said that he and the Prime Minister “agreed common positions” for the summit, which opens in Bali on Tuesday.

A Downing Street spokesman said: "The leaders agreed that any Russian withdrawal from the occupied city of Kherson would demonstrate strong progress for the Ukrainian forces and reinforce the weakness of Russia's military offensive, but it was right to continue to exercise caution until the Ukrainian flag was raised over the city.

"The Prime Minister praised the bravery of the Ukrainian armed forces and reiterated the UK's unwavering military, economic and political support."

In his nightly address on Thursday, Mr Zelensky said Ukraine had to “go all the way - both on the battlefield and in diplomacy” to liberate the rest of its territory from Russia.

Mr Biden, the US president, will use the G20 summit for his first meeting with Xi Jinping, the Chinese president, it was also announced on Thursday.

China has largely refrained from criticising Russia's war in Ukraine, but has so far held off supplying Moscow with arms.

Mr Sullivan said Mr Biden would discuss Ukraine with Mr Xi, and praised the Chinese president's recent criticism of Russian threats to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine.

Ahead of the G20 summit, General Mike Milley, the chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff, said that Russia and Ukraine should “seize the moment" to restart dialogue on a possible end to the conflict.

He said Russia and Ukraine had each seen about 100,000 soldiers killed or wounded and negotiations would depend on both sides accepting that they cannot achieve battlefield victory, adding that a potential stalemate in fighting over the winter could provide a “window of opportunity” for negotiations.

On Thursday, Ukraine announced the liberation of 41 settlements after Russia announced it was abandoning Kherson.

Kyiv's forces entered the front-line village of Snikhurovka, about 30 miles from Kherson city, early on Tuesday. By evening, there were unconfirmed reports they had reached Chornobaivka, a suburb within 10 miles of the city.

Mikhailo Podolyak, an aide to Mr Zelensky, warned that there could be intense fighting for the city and that Russia might use artillery firing from the eastern side of the river to destroy it.

Gen Sergei Shoigu, the Russian defence minister, ordered all Russian troops to be withdrawn from the right bank of the Dnieper river in a televised meeting with Russia’s commander in Ukraine on Wednesday.

Gen Sergei Surovikin said the position was untenable and the retreat was necessary to save the lives of Russian soldiers. However, the decision has been widely accepted by Russian propagandists as a defeat.
US keen for SRK of Ukraine to have peace talks what gives?
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eklavya wrote:Trade between India and Russia already uses Rupee/Rouble mechanism. Currency of trade is decided mutually by buyer and seller.
We are talking about "reserve currency" - "a currency held by central banks in significant quantities. It is widely used to conduct international trade and financial transactions, eliminating the costs of settling transactions involving different currencies".

**Most** central banks hold the USD, not the Indian Rupee or the Russian Rouble.

Russia which has the largest natural resources in the world can afford to demand what currency they want to trade their commodities in. India has nothing to make such demands. Russian eco is 1/3rd of India!! And, yet can make demands.
Trouble for India is that President Putin has put Russia on the path of dependency on PRC, which is a strategic problem for India.
It is not a problem for India.

Just a year ago Russia was lecturing India on the Quad and the use of "Indo-Pacific".

Where is that today?

In fact, I would argue there are no two nations - TODAY - whose interests intersect as closely as India and Russia. But, that is today.
The sooner President Putin can extricate himself from his Ukraine blunder, the better it will be for India.
The only way Putin can extricate from Ukraine is IF he resigns and the West installs a Yeltsin II - a drunkard would be preferred.
As for the US, they are a key source of support against PLA aggression on India’s borders
Maybe you missed Biden calling India "Shaky". Just a few months ago - that too just after calling a Quad meeting with Modi!!

TODAY, the US (political wing in the WH) distrusts no other nation more than India. Today.

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The US military sees India as part of a 1000-ship navy. The only thing the US wants is the Indian Navy - they do not even care for the Indian Army or the Indian Air Force

FYI:
While addressing the August 2005 Current Strategy Forum at the Naval War College, Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Mike Mullen unveiled what many consider the cornerstone of the United States Navy's new maritime strategy, the formation of a global fleet, or a 1000-Ship Navy. Admiral Mullen did not use this euphemism to describe a thousand ships directly doing the United States' bidding, but rather a global maritime security arrangement, designed to synergize the collective maritime capabilities of its allies to further security in the maritime domain. Admiral Mullen's initiative was born partly out of the globalization-driven need to ensure free, and unfettered access to the global commons by legitimate merchant traffic, and the realities of an ever-shrinking American fleet's inability to conduct global sea-control unilaterally. This paper highlights the genesis of the global fleet initiative, its requirements, and likely roles in international security. It explains the current nature of coalition building and provides a recommended departure from current paradigms required to realize the global fleet.
USN needs IN. Always will. (IF India wants something from the US send an IN Admiral, not an MoD or IAF or IA guy)
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Not directly related to UKR/RUS, but I think significant from a broader perspective. I think that most of us are still viewing this conflict through an old lens - one that hardly is aware of the larger set of events. Here is one data point to consider.

Posting the synopsis, the 40-page pdf of the original article can be downloaded from the URL

Secret War
Afghanistan, Iraq, maybe Libya. If you asked the average American where the United States has been at war in the past two decades, you would likely get this short list. But this list is wrong — off by at least 17 countries in which the United States has engaged in armed conflict through ground forces, proxy forces, or air strikes.(footnote1_17c962z1)

For members of the public, the full extent of U.S. war-making is unknown. Investigative journalists and human rights advocates have cobbled together a rough picture of where the military has used force, but they rely on sources whose information is often incomplete, belated, or speculative. There is only so much one can learn about the United States’ military footprint from trawling Purple Heart ceremonies, speaking with retired military personnel, and monitoring social media for reports of civilian harm.(footnote2_zlf2wmt2)

Congress’s understanding of U.S. war-making is often no better than the public record. The Department of Defense provides congressionally mandated disclosures and updates to only a small number of legislative offices. Sometimes, it altogether fails to comply with reporting requirements, leaving members of Congress uninformed about when, where, and against whom the military uses force. After U.S. forces took casualties in Niger in 2017, for example, lawmakers were taken aback by the very presence of U.S. forces in the country.(footnote3_rsy0jmc3) Without access to such basic information, Congress is unable to perform necessary oversight.

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Cyrano wrote:Ukraine as a national construct is less than a hollow shell now. It can never become a viable and stable nation again.
Quite the opposite, in fact. Ukraine’s sense of nationhood has been immeasurably strengthened by its resistance to the invasion. Looking to the future, Ukraine will receive huge support from the EU, US, Japan, UK, Australia, etc. Ukraine’s best days are ahead of it.
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The Ukrainian nationhood was extremely strong during the WW2. so much so that they were recruited by the Germans as guards for the death camps.
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The history of that period is indeed quite murky.

Why did over a million Soviets fight for Germany during World War II?

In any case, modern day Ukraine is led by a democratically elected President who is Jewish and of Russian speaking origin.
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French President Macron has ordered all vessels of French navy to mask visible identification like numbers and names on them. This is quite unusual, resorted to during war times. Something is brewing...
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Pentagon reveals contents of new Ukraine weapons package https://www.rt.com/news/566313-pentagon ... s-package/
The US is sending $400 million worth of ammunition, missiles, and vehicles to Kiev
The Ukrainian military will receive 21,000 155mm artillery rounds, as well as 500 precision-guided Excalibur shells, and 10,000 rounds for heavy 120mm mortars, in addition to an unspecified quantity of ammunition for the US-supplied High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS), the Pentagon said.

The US has also pledged four Avenger air defense vehicles, effectively Humvees equipped with four launchers for Stinger man-portable missiles.

There will also be an undisclosed number of Hawk missiles for 1950s-era field air defense vehicles. Spain delivered four of its spare Hawks last week, and promised two more on Thursday.

Among the equipment listed in the statement are also 100 Humvees, 400 grenade launchers, an unspecified amount of small arms, 20 million rounds of ammunition, “demolition equipment for obstacle clearing” and cold-weather gear.

Nothing to see here: Highly sovereign & democratic Ukraine (former Russia) receiving lethal military aid from Pentagon so that it can fight current Russia and further Biden's war
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Ekalavya, there is a separate military humour thread if you haven't noticed... If you're serious, then you are ignoring a mountain of evidence to the contrary, in which case there is no point arguing.
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today only came across news: So Korea selling 100,000s shells of artillery to US, they will be immediately transported to democratic Ukraine by beacon of peace US. These imports and exports are directly supervised by military team of US present in Ukraine. Entire process strenghthens Sovereignty & democratic index of Ukraine several nothces up
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