Russian-Ukranian War: Geopolitical Fallout

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bala wrote:You don't poke a bear and expect a result less than referendum/annexation. Ukr treated the Russian people in the eastern sector of Ukr very badly and reneged on their commitments. Teaming with Nato put the final stake into their chest. There are consequences for your own actions.
That same can be used for India and Kashmir. We shouldn’t get to into the morality debate of this conflict. We can align with many countries on different aspects as long as it does not affect our internal security and politics.

Any Indian support for referendum in this conflict, is plain stupidity…
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All of Pak is India if you care to step back a little !
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https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-Gene ... Story.html Europe’s Energy Crisis Will Not Be “A One Winter Story”
educed energy supply due to the sanctions against Russia and Moscow shutting down key pipeline gas export routes will leave Europe scrambling for oil and gas well after the coming winter as the current crisis is not “a one winter story,” according to analysts at consultant Energy Aspects.

“This is not a one winter story, let’s just make it very, very clear,” Amrita Sen, founder and director of research at Energy Aspects, told Bloomberg television in an interview on Friday.

Europe will need to ration demand in order to be able to balance the market, not only this winter but also the next winter and potentially the one after that, she noted.

The energy crisis is already pushing Germany – Europe’s biggest economy – into a recession, which will deepen as we head into the winter months amid the ongoing natural gas and energy crisis, Bundesbank, the central bank of Germany, said in its monthly report earlier this week. Germany also moved this week to nationalize its biggest gas importer, Uniper, to prevent a collapse of the German energy and gas suppliers. Across Europe, industries are forced to curb or shut down production due to soaring energy prices, and several European industry associations say the European Commission’s proposals to reduce energy prices and help households and businesses through the crisis are not enough to help them survive the winter.

Commenting on the oil market, Energy Aspects’ Sen told Bloomberg that the oil market would see a very volatile last quarter of this year. 2022 so far has been the year with the second-highest volatility since 1990, the highest volatility was seen in 2020.

“We are expecting much higher prices into year end,” and Energy Aspects’ call for oil prices at year-end is about $120 a barrel, she added

Early on Friday, Brent Crude was trading at $90 per barrel.

After the EU embargo enters into force, India and China in theory could absorb additional Russian oil, but the banking sector would be wary of secondary sanctions from the U.S. and this could cap Russia’s ability to export oil, Energy Aspects’ Sen said. In addition, Russia tying up a lot of oil on ships to Asia and then finding buyers would further raise freight rates, she added.
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dnivas wrote:The same exact news was retracted from the Russia - FInland border and telegraph and other liars had to retract their news article. Sigh..
these news are directed towards dumbocrats and Europeans who are going to face cold winter ''you see we are winning can we keep fighting';
biggest supporters of this war unsurprisingly are dumbocrats types in US
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EU considers ban on Kaspersky lab, Gazprombank – Bloomberg
The five nations also came up with a wide range of suggestions on toughening the anti-Russian sanctions, ranging from a ban on liquefied petroleum gas (LPG) products to restrictions on nuclear energy cooperation and diamond imports from Russia. The list of suggestions also includes a ban on real estate sales to Russian companies and individuals, who are non-EU residents, as well as further media censorship.
EU seems to be on death wish, led by Baltic states as if they have a secret arragement with UK US to destroy Germany
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Over 100,000 businesses in Italy are in danger of closing down due to soaring energy bills

the news outlet Corriere della Sera reported on Saturday, citing Carlo Sangalli, head of the Italian business association Confcommercio.

“Already today many companies are reorganizing or reducing services… Between now and the first half of 2023, at least 120,000 small businesses in the service sector are at risk… This is a cautious estimate that does not take into account the largest companies,” Sangalli told the news outlet.

According to the official, the situation could lead to the loss of more than 370,000 jobs. Sangalli noted that energy prices in Italy are much higher than in other countries, which puts a strain on small and medium-sized businesses.

“In terms of energy costs, our hotels, bars, restaurants and stores will pay 40-60% more on their bills this year than in Germany, and three times that than in France,” Sangalli said.

He noted that the energy crisis may deal the final blow to many businesses that have already been made vulnerable by the Covid-19 pandemic. The official said the country needed “good reforms and good investments” that will “make our country work better and in a simpler way,” and called for some of the support measures introduced during the pandemic to be reinstated.

Italy, along with other EU countries, has been battling record-high inflation. Annual inflation in the country reached 8.4% in August, driven largely by energy costs. Italy relies on imports for nearly 75% of its energy. At the start of this year, it was importing 40% of its gas from Russia, but in July its Russian purchases dropped to 25% due to sanctions. Earlier this month, Italy lost much of its supplies from Russia when Gazprom halted flows via the Nord Stream 1 pipeline due to technical issues.

According to a recent survey, over 70% of Italians are having difficulty or are simply unable to pay their energy bills. Nine out of ten plan to cut spending in order to pay for energy, which they intend to do by curtailing going to restaurants, bars, on holidays and buying clothing.
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Wonder if we need to dust that Rand report and see how many data points match.

Just a random thought

And, is anyone looking into buying all those shiny CNC machines?
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kit wrote:
Dumb Europeans
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https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/gi ... 022-09-26/ Meloni set to lead Italy after right triumphs at polls
final results showed the rightist bloc should have a solid majority in both houses of parliament, potentially giving Italy a rare chance of political stability after years of upheaval and fragile coalitions.
Salvini, for example, questions the West's sanctions against Russia and both he and Berlusconi have often expressed their admiration of its leader Vladimir Putin.
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RW juggernaut in Europe

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Putin granted Russian citizenship to Edward Snowden. He applied for it in 2020.
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Edward Snowden's wife will also apply for citizenship of Russia, according to his lawyer.
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Covering Kiev’s expenses costs American taxpayers $1.5bn a month, according to the Ukrainian president. Currently Kiev runs “a deficit of $5 billion in our budget,” Zelenksy said, adding that “the United States gives us $1.5 billion every month to support our budget to fight” against Russia. Earlier this month, the Biden administration asked Congress to authorize some $12 billion in additional aid for Ukraine, including $4.5 billion to support the Kiev government financially beyond September. It asked for $2 billion on top of that, to help Ukraine offset rising energy prices.

https://www.rt.com/news/563526-zelensky ... s-funding/

// thanks to the US Taxpayer for $18B / yr + more.
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"Pak PM Shahbaz Sharif today demanded that Russia invade his country so that Pak can also qualify for substantial US financial aid. He said he already requested Putin to invade Pakistan when the two met recently at the SCO summit in Samarkand. He didn't specify what Putin's response was but was hopeful that it would be positive keeping in the spirit of cooperation which forms the basis of the SCO." :rotfl:
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Reports claim both gas lines from Russia have been sabotaged. Explosions have wrecked both pipelines. Damage will take months to patch.

If true No gas for EU. For good.

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... n-gas-link

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German economy is prettttty much doomed
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12 min video

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NRao wrote:Reports claim both gas lines from Russia have been sabotaged. Explosions have wrecked both pipelines. Damage will take months to patch.

If true No gas for EU. For good.

Added l8r:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... n-gas-link

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German economy is prettttty much doomed
There was no gas flowing through it anyway. Someone was making sure that it remains that way in future as well.
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Nrao wrote:12 min video
NRao ji, we had a discussion some pages back. The prediction back then was that Germany is screwed in the Ukr-Rus tussle instigated by Nato/US Deep State actors. This is turning out to be spot on. Of course the bali-dhan is Ukr soldiers. Rus is going to annex state sponsored referendum areas.

My next prediction is going to be the Poles and my spidery sense tells me that the French are next. UK is going to face some serious correction in their economic output.
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bala wrote:
Nrao wrote:12 min video
NRao ji, we had a discussion some pages back. The prediction back then was that Germany is screwed in the Ukr-Rus tussle instigated by Nato/US Deep State actors. This is turning out to be spot on. Of course the bali-dhan is Ukr soldiers. Rus is going to annex state sponsored referendum areas.

My next prediction is going to be the Poles and my spidery sense tells me that the French are next. UK is going to face some serious correction in their economic output.
Yes, I recall that discussion - Indians should look for CNC machines in a drowning Germany.

It is much worse.

"My next prediction" is every other nation out there, starting with China, then India. All other EU nations are gone, they will not raise their heads.

I think people are too focused on old issues, which IMO are worthless. What use is discussing Indo-US relations when an Indian "Nord stream" could be cut at any time? What is "India" when "EU" does not matter?

There is a FAR bigger picture: there is a handful of people that are controlling an age-old narrative. The World Economic Forum, as an example, is a major contributor to this mess.

But, ...... whatever.
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vinod wrote:
Someone was making sure that it remains that way in future as well.
If I have 3 guesses to make I'll hedge them on

1. Culinary Agency making sure that EU does not have second thoughts come November and loosen some sanctions on Russia. This will ensure no Western Europe leader has a chance to go back on completing the task of Russian defanging and irrelevance for the next 1-2 generations

2. Polish/UKR agencies to make sure Western leaders does not have the choice to abandon them and normalize their relations with RU. This came very close to the day RU conducted an election in its newly annexed territory.

3. By someone inside Russia itself so that no Russian leader will carry the leverage of normalizing relations with Western Europe until this "special operation" is done.
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As things heat up, you can expect west engineered color revolutions igniting everywhere.

US is going to make sure no one dare come close to its power again.
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US is going to make sure no one dare come close to its power again.
This is why Russia, China, India banding together can oppose such "dare". However, China and US have a closed loop cycle of dependency on the economic front and they both behave like the neighborhood big dadas. India is really caught in a confused state - china on border being belligerent and US Quad arrangement. Only Russia is clear-headed and knows that the Anglo-Saxon thugs are baying for its blood. India needs a Chanakya stature person to clear-headedly navigate the quagmire of real geo politics.
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vinod wrote:As things heat up, you can expect west engineered color revolutions igniting everywhere.

US is going to make sure no one dare come close to its power again.
One can make an argument that US is in the middle of a cultural revolution itself. With Biden and the democratic party being at the forefront of leading the struggle against the population of the US itself.

The European power's have to ask themselves the following question.

Are Polish and Ukrainian issues with Russia so important that people from France, Germany and Italy are forced into destitution?

How is Germany effected by a Poland existing as a buffer between Russians and them?

How are France and Italy effected by a Ukraine that is a buffer between Russians and the rest of Europe?

Because of wokeness they are not asking this question. Once you start to see a significant change in the political discussion in the major western countries. Things might begin to change.

But it's too soon to think that Europeans are beginning to change.
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Scott Ritter does not mince words, he point blank states that the Americans nuked Nordstream 1 & 2.



I think it is time for Germany to join the Russian Federation.
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Pratyush wrote:
vinod wrote:As things heat up, you can expect west engineered color revolutions igniting everywhere.

US is going to make sure no one dare come close to its power again.
One can make an argument that US is in the middle of a cultural revolution itself. With Biden and the democratic party being at the forefront of leading the struggle against the population of the US itself.

The European power's have to ask themselves the following question.

Are Polish and Ukrainian issues with Russia so important that people from France, Germany and Italy are forced into destitution?

How is Germany effected by a Poland existing as a buffer between Russians and them?

How are France and Italy effected by a Ukraine that is a buffer between Russians and the rest of Europe?

Because of wokeness they are not asking this question. Once you start to see a significant change in the political discussion in the major western countries. Things might begin to change.

But it's too soon to think that Europeans are beginning to change.

I think it is stark evidence that some or a particular group in the US has enough influence to sell narratives not only to others in the government but also force "allies" ( kissingers words come to mind) to do the same. Sanity and common sense wont make sense :roll:

Most of all i pity the populations of the "allied" countries., esp the lower income
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bala wrote:Scott Ritter does not mince words, he point blank states that the Americans nuked Nordstream 1 & 2.

[youtube]xcNOFn5s40I[/youtube

I think it is time for Germany to join the Russian Federation.
the western world is inching towards a nuclear exchange., maybe the narrative sellers think it might be in their interests !!
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Surely we cannot endorse this referendum held by Russia or recognize said territories given our own geopolitical compulsions. If anything, for India Ukraine remains the territory as it was before the way.

Wonder what our official view of this annexation will be after the war has ended.

Not to mention of putin has any sense left, he would call an end to the war after the annexation ceremony.
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The anti-sanctions protest movement in the Czech Republic have started.
The organisation behind the protest calls for the exit of the Czech Republic from the EU and NATO, and an end to hostility towards Russia.

https://www.rt.com/news/563683-czech-pr ... sanctions/
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kit wrote: I think it is stark evidence that some or a particular group in the US has enough influence to sell narratives not only to others in the government but also force "allies" ( kissingers words come to mind) to do the same. Sanity and common sense wont make sense :roll:

Most of all i pity the populations of the "allied" countries., esp the lower income
Yes.

I have mentioned it here since Feb.

They are the neocons/neoliberals.

And, there are US Profs who have been warning at least since 2014/15!!
Pratyush wrote: .............

The European power's have to ask themselves the following question.
"Powers" in Europe ARE the problem. Klaus Schwab of WEF wrote a book titled "Reset" (free to download). They love what is happening in UKR and the attack on Nord Streams. They want one currency, no borders, and each human to be digitally tagged, ..... No beef, only plant food, and proteins from worms and insects, .... Bill Gates I am told is the biggest land owner in the US - mostly farmland that he is taking out of circulation. No religion. Lower population by 70-80%. One authority controls everything. Their thesis: man/humans cause problems, so take humans off-line

It is coming to a town close to you. Soon.

Greece has been under permanent debt - thanks to "powers" in EU.

Hungary, Sweden, Serbia (told not to sign deals with RU), and now Italy were told to fall in line, else "we have tools" (van der Leyen)

The UK is sinking (possible hyperinflation and depression. + potential for a split). Germany is gone, France under threat.

Who in the UK, France, Germany, or Italy has the guts to raise their voice?
Nihat wrote:Surely we cannot endorse this referendum held by Russia or recognize said territories given our own geopolitical compulsions. If anything, for India Ukraine remains the territory as it was before the way.

Wonder what our official view of this annexation will be after the war has ended.

Not to mention of putin has any sense left, he would call an end to the war after the annexation ceremony.
Does not matter.

I seriously feel that Boris Johnson, on his last trip to India, told Modi to fall in line. And, that India wanting to be a pole in a multipolar world order was unacceptable. The US does not even care about what India thinks about F-16s to Pakis, etc. And, IF (BIG IF granted) Russia can be tamed (and the US can get access to the $72 trillion natural resources), what exactly is "India"? Russia is tamed, and China is gone. India as an entity cannot exist. Hope people are aware that US Congress hates "atmanirbhar" - one Congressman has mentioned it (to my knowledge).

Ukraine is not even a topic of interest. It is all about polarity - how many poles will exist after this mega tussle. The US cannot afford to and IMO will go to any length to prevent the collapse of the current world order. The USD is under threat. Any move by ANY nation to start an alt reserve currency - ANY - will be attacked and destroyed.
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Few understand this but almost ALL European states have been culled and modified., their top rung leadership replaced with pliant leaders all serving the interests of the US MIC and Oil . Anyone out of line will be swiftly dealt with. This is what it means to be an American "Ally"

Another interesting fact is even the top American leadership lack any sort of skills whatsoever, If Biden is geriatric and has scant memory of his breakfast., KH is not behind ., here is she sporting an important alliance with N Korea :roll:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1575482629721391104

With all idiots and sissies in power in US and all western powers in Europe , who is actually pulling the strings ., the evidence of such being the proof of their collective action and behaviour.
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NRao wrote:I seriously feel that Boris Johnson, on his last trip to India, told Modi to fall in line. And, that India wanting to be a pole in a multipolar world order was unacceptable. The US does not even care about what India thinks about F-16s to Pakis, etc. And, IF (BIG IF granted) Russia can be tamed (and the US can get access to the $72 trillion natural resources), what exactly is "India"? Russia is tamed, and China is gone. India as an entity cannot exist. Hope people are aware that US Congress hates "atmanirbhar" - one Congressman has mentioned it (to my knowledge).
BJ is playing for the powers that be in Washington., hanging on to power till the last minute, doing the behest of the American mic., now a cushy job in NATO. Any wonder under whose pay he is ?. he was never interested in British politics and just "bluffing along"
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Russia To Formally Annex 4 Ukraine Territories Tomorrow: Kremlin
Moscow: Moscow will formally annex four Russia-occupied regions of Ukraine at a Kremlin ceremony on Friday, President Vladimir Putin's spokesman said today. "Tomorrow in the Georgian Hall of the Grand Kremlin Palace at 15:00 (1200 GMT) a signing ceremony will take place on the incorporation of the new territories into Russia," spokesman Dmitry Peskov said. He added that the Russian leader will make a major speech at the event.
Ukraine's Lugansk, Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions are occupied by the Russian army, which Vladimir Putin sent over the border in February. Moscow organised what it called referendums in the four regions that it controls, with Kremlin-installed officials saying this week residents backed joining Russia. All four Moscow-backed leaders of the regions said they were in Moscow and expecting a meeting with President Putin. The move comes eight years after Moscow annexed the Crimea peninsula from Ukraine and would mark a significant escalation in the conflict.
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kit wrote:…Few understand this but almost ALL European states have been culled and modified., their top rung leadership replaced with pliant leaders all serving the interests of the MIC and Oil . Anyone out of line will be swiftly dealt with…
Right. Previously I thought uncle would be completely against the European project and the competition from the single currency would be attempted to be eliminated by disintegrating common market. Looking at the events unfolding, seems like uncle may have figured out that it is easier to control the population of 350 million by keeping them together in the Euro project and controlling them using unelected bureaucrats, who, along with elected leaders, appear to be seriously compromised right at the top. Not sure if it started before or after eye-rak waar
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Nihat wrote:Surely we cannot endorse this referendum held by Russia or recognize said territories given our own geopolitical compulsions. If anything, for India Ukraine remains the territory as it was before the way.

Wonder what our official view of this annexation will be after the war has ended.
IMO the best course of action is how the great powers behaved during the US civil war or how the US behaved during WW1/WW2. Avoid entanglements at all costs and keep preparing. Be mindful of false flag operations and strangers bearing gifts. Respect the agreement that is signed to end the war.
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NRao wrote: Does not matter.
Surely multiple places will be nuked if this goes ahead. Wonder now if this is why #45 wanted to acquire Greenland in order to have a nearby safe haven.
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NRao wrote:


"Powers" in Europe ARE the problem. Klaus Schwab of WEF wrote a book titled "Reset" (free to download). They love what is happening in UKR and the attack on Nord Streams. They want one currency, no borders, and each human to be digitally tagged, ..... No beef, only plant food, and proteins from worms and insects, .... Bill Gates I am told is the biggest land owner in the US - mostly farmland that he is taking out of circulation. No religion. Lower population by 70-80%. One authority controls everything. Their thesis: man/humans cause problems, so take humans off-line

It is coming to a town close to you. Soon.

Greece has been under permanent debt - thanks to "powers" in EU.

Hungary, Sweden, Serbia (told not to sign deals with RU), and now Italy were told to fall in line, else "we have tools" (van der Leyen)

The UK is sinking (possible hyperinflation and depression. + potential for a split). Germany is gone, France under threat.

Who in the UK, France, Germany, or Italy has the guts to raise their voice?
WEF was enemy of the Left when Obama was President. Remember Wall st protest

Now they are their biggest sidekicks. When and how did that happen?
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^ The average joes started backing the Right. The elites now back the Left. Note how the tax increase on the rich in the recent inflation bill in the USA was torpedoed by paying off a left wing senator.
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Putin recognizes independence of Zaporozhye and Kherson
https://www.rt.com/russia/563762-putin- ... ependence/
29 Sep, 2022
Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday signed two decrees recognizing the former Ukrainian regions, Kherson and Zaporozhye, as independent sovereign states. The decrees come into force immediately.

“Recognize the state sovereignty and independence” of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions “effective from the day of signing,” say the two decrees dated and signed September 29. In the documents, the head of state refers to the universally recognized principles and norms of international law, the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, enshrined in the UN Charter.

Referendums on joining Russia were held in Zaporozhye and Kherson, as well as in the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) and Lugansk People's Republic (LPR), between September 23 and 27.

In the Kherson region, 87.05% voted in favor of declaring independence and joining the Russian Federation. Zaporozhye Region also supported the idea of splitting from Ukraine and joining Russia, with 93,23% of voters backing it. In the DPR, 99.23% of those who voted were in favor, while LPR showed a slightly lower figure of 98.42%.

After Putin signs the treaties on the accession of new regions into Russia, the documents will be submitted to Russia’s Constitutional Court. After that, the State Duma – the lower house of the Russian parliament – will have to ratify the agreements, which will then be sent to the Federal Council, its upper house, for the same procedure.
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