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Why would the western Europe toe the line of uncle for ever? What's really in there for them?
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>>Why would the western Europe toe the line of uncle for ever? What's really in there for them?

They won't because there isn't anything in it for them. So long as NATO was "passive" and did not cross red lines it was tolerable, even comforting to have it around. So long as Russia did not push back against its expansion, it induced complacence among the publics - who were simply going about their lives, very local-mindedly, generally griping about the EU, their own politicians, etc. etc. Now, however, it is evident to a very large segment of the population that their pockets, comforts and futures will certainly be hit; they are not sure what combination of crap is coming their way, they only know that it is. Naturally, they are flailing about and the result, for the moment, is what is called the "far right" (which it is not) in Sweden, Italy and likely others. Successful parties in the mainland EU will be the ones that adapt to the changing mindset on the ground, which is a combination of anti-EU & anti-NATO and both segments are anti-US and its English-speaking satellites. In mainland Europe itself, a casual survey of even the mainstream media suggests, mindsets are getting nationalistic, and provincial within nations as well.

All this is fine from the point of view of the Anglosphere (native English speakers), which as a group consists of the largest economic bloc in the world, US/UK/Australia/Canada/NZ. The Five Eyes group - we are talking I think around $28-30 trillion in GDP. Disintegration of the EU is perfectly fine from their point of view and so is the dismemberment of Russia*. If both can be achieved, which can be reasonably viewed as a likely objective of the Ukraine trigger being launched a year after the Brexit vote in 2014, especially without direct involvement as they seem to have surmised, then this round of the Great Game for Eurasia has been won for the Anglosphere at least for the 21st century if not beyond.

*Indeed, based on Anglosphere conduct over the last three decades, it can be argued that disintegration of virtually every possible nation state unit into component parts is regarded as a favourable outcome by primary members (US/UK). Not surprising, because this is essentially a carry over of British imperial approach to the world - and the current Ukraine crisis has a very strong smell of Mackinder/Caroe and so on. It also explains the thinking behind the explicit call for the "weakening" of Russia (a near obsessive objective of Imperial Britain). The beauty of it is that with the US, distanced by oceans, can carry out this policy with impunity while Britain (smaller, weaker and only distanced by a channel) can hang on its coattails until the ICBMs come out of their silos.
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NRao wrote:For your listening pleasure and consideration. 2 hours long, about Germanyand pipeline. 8% hit on german gdp., first 30 minutes will do.

[youtube]190zSqECSCE

i will be very surprised if its "just" 8 % hit. The very backbone of the German economic "miracle" has been hit. Interesting times unfortunately
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With NS-1 and 2 being hit, what are the retaliation options for Rus?
1) Dont do anything with NATO. let it pass. acquire Ukr territory and merge with Rus. and defend.
2) fire missiles and destroy some oil/gas pipelines in US?
3) use hidden agents to sabotage similar pipelines in US?
any other?

Opt 1) will mean open season on Rus assets all over.
what if Amricans sink a oil carrier carrying Oil/gas to India or China?

Opt 2) can lead to spiraling escalation, which no one will be able to stop.

Opt 3) most likely. keep the deniability.
In this case, we should expect some sabotage in Texas/Alaska soon.
Russians would have gamed this and would be ready.
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Russia has called for a UNSC meeting on the sabotage of NS1 and NS2. They will ask for an investigation and thats it. For the moment, Putin is letting the monstrosity of the act sink in into European people's psyche and not overshadow it by some quick retaliatory action of his own. Or distract from the territorial expansion celebrations which will endear him to the Russian people. There is no hurry for the next few days.

Brainless sold-out EU leaders will do nothing. People are already under the yoke of EU, and EU is under the yoke of the US. They cant free themselves off it even if they tried. If anyone EU leader breaks tanks, they will be attacked directly (remember the dossier Trump had carted away to Mar a Lago on Macron? The US will have such a dossier on every leader on their radar) and over thrown politically or by scandals or a colour revolution.

US may think it has scored something to compensate for 8 years of failed efforts put into Ukraine and the losses endured in this war. But apart from alienating Russia and Europe, can generating mistrust from global south, it will get nothing. But what US has achieved is weaken GBP, EUR and preserve USD thus keeping its demand high and made it difficult to de-dollarize. Lets see how long it will last...

India needs to continue engaging all parties, we do not threaten anybody so no immediate threat for us. We are going with the flow nicely for now.
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When NS1 and 2 were hit, coincidentally this pipeline became active...cui bono?

Baltic Pipe: Norway-Poland gas pipeline opens in key move to cut dependency on Russia
Leaders from Poland, Norway and Denmark have attended a ceremony to mark the opening of the new Baltic Pipe, a key stage in the drive to wean Poland and Europe off Russian gas...
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I am not sure who spent on the pipelines Rus or Germany.
Rus may have lost a few billions $s of investments, which is not very much.
it can afford to go slow.

Germany and Europe suffers the most. most idiotic of leadership. should have negotiated a settlement instead of following US led path.

US gains Dollar value, but now had crossed a rubicon, by openly sabotaging the pipeline. it erodes any moral authority left and hurt them in the longer run.
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Eurozone records first ever double-digit inflation
https://www.rt.com/business/563801-euro ... ergy-food/
30 Sep, 2022
Consumer prices surged 10%, beating expectations and piling pressure on the ECB. Energy prices, which surged at an annual rate of 41% in September. Inflation across the euro area increased from August’s 9.1% print, data from Eurostat showed on Friday, beating the median forecast of 9.7%, and marking the fifth straight month of price growth outpacing analysts’ forecasts.

Germany reported year-on-year growth of 10.9% in September, up from 8.8% recorded in the previous month. Estonia, Lithuania, and Latvia all registered inflation rates above 22%. The figure for the Netherlands came in at 17.1%, up from below 14% in August. Slovakia’s 13.6% reading also put it in the group of those with higher than average price growth.
// looks like Euro land is being used to extract wealth into someone's pockets. Some Euro nations can start applying to become part of the Russian Federation.
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chanakyaa wrote:When NS1 and 2 were hit, coincidentally this pipeline became active...cui bono?

Baltic Pipe: Norway-Poland gas pipeline opens in key move to cut dependency on Russia
what are chances another drone can't end up close to this pipeline accidentally?
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Haven’t seen much on this thread about the Azerbaijan war against Armenia.

Seems to me Russia’s preoccupation with Ukraine has freed up the Turkey-Azerbaijan axis to try and break Armenia, counting on Russia not having the capacity to support Armenia.

Seems like a dangerous geopolitical consequence of the Ukraine war.

Am I wrong?
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Putin's speech today, live English translation Excoriates the collective west. Every line is a sixer. Watch it before it gets taken down.



https://youtu.be/6ekNbe8tLXA
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Russia vetoed and China, India, and Brazil abstained from voting on the UN Security Council resolution condemning Russian annexation. https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1 ... PvtKacdatg
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Massive protests were held all over Czech Republic two days ago.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/th ... 022-09-28/
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The West fell into the "this is not an era of war" trap set by NaMo - at least in terms of rhetoric.
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In the speech, Putin has painted the West as Western Colonialist who plundered and looted the rest of the world, including India, China and Africa for centuries. Russia is a victim of western colonial aggression which has plagued the world. Russia is a distinct civilization state, not of Europe origin. This is a major departure from other Russian/Soviet leaders, no other leader has claimed that Russians are different than Europe. Putin is effectively distancing from Europe and he is identifying with the global south like India, China and Africa. The average Russian may disagree with this characterization, but Putin is carving a new path, that Russia is non-western, non-european civilization, not colonialist, not imperialist. Very interesting. Europeans never saw Russians as their equals. Now as a corollary, Russians who have thought enough about their history cannot see themselves as Europeans. Colonial looting is ingrained in Britshits and their descendants. The world is still being subjected to such loot even today, the predatory West.
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A Deshmukh wrote:With NS-1 and 2 being hit, what are the retaliation options for Rus?
1) Dont do anything with NATO. let it pass. acquire Ukr territory and merge with Rus. and defend.
2) fire missiles and destroy some oil/gas pipelines in US?
3) use hidden agents to sabotage similar pipelines in US?
any other?

Opt 1) will mean open season on Rus assets all over.
what if Amricans sink a oil carrier carrying Oil/gas to India or China?

Opt 2) can lead to spiraling escalation, which no one will be able to stop.

Opt 3) most likely. keep the deniability.
In this case, we should expect some sabotage in Texas/Alaska soon.
Russians would have gamed this and would be ready.

Easiest would be to take out internet cables between US and EU. - Then blame the US
Take out any of the soon to be built NG terminals in Germany that can only intake US LNG. Blame Germany for that.

It's been the standard practice.
Civilians bombed getting into Russia - Russia blamed
ZPP nuclear plant controlled by Russians bombed - Russians blamed
Daria bombing in Russia - Russia blamed
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Baltic pipeline is alive now between Norway & Poland, lets hope no strange drone reaches around

https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy ... nd-poland/
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We are ready for a dialogue with Russia, but … with another president of Russia,” he (Z) wrote. Unlike the majority of his Telegram posts, this one was written only in Ukrainian, without an accompanying English translation

Zelensky sets conditions for talks with Russia
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No one in Russia is interested in talking to Zelinsky. He can blabber anything. Putin clearly said those who are controlling Ukraine... In his speech.

The west's plan to "Extend Russia" ( remember that Rand report from 2019, followed to the letter by Bidenwa) has actually been realised in the most unexpected way, Russia has indeed extended its territory and borders :rotfl:
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Nord Stream rupture may mark biggest single methane release ever recorded, U.N. says
The ruptures on the Nord Stream natural gas pipeline system under the Baltic Sea have led to what is likely the biggest single release of climate-damaging methane ever recorded, the United Nations Environment Programme said on Friday.
“This is really bad, most likely the largest emission event ever detected," Manfredi Caltagirone, head of the IMEO for UNEP, told Reuters. “This is not helpful in a moment when we absolutely need to reduce emissions.”
"This rate is very high, especially considering it's four days following the initial breach," the company said.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/no ... 022-09-30/

Next time the warmongers come to us for cutting down energy use, we need to ask them to shove it.
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This is what it is really about

"Could the growing discord in Russia weaken Putin’s political position to the point where his authority crumbles and a pro-western democracy takes its place?"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... y-wish-for
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Either Putin or Russia will fall. Let's see which one. Hopefully, without the rest of the world (and consequently, India's decade) getting screwed.
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Yawn! Usual Western drivel. Why would a people not support a leader who added 100k sq kms of territory, 10 million russan speakers, ruble strong, economy no worse than EU countries minus energy crisis and minus soaring inflation?
The first non western leader to deliver a bloody nose to the west. Why would his people want him gone? That article is delusional.
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Lol and yet, vast majority of Russians would move to Europe if they could.
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JE Menon wrote:All this is fine from the point of view of the Anglosphere (native English speakers), which as a group consists of the largest economic bloc in the world, US/UK/Australia/Canada/NZ. The Five Eyes group - we are talking I think around $28-30 trillion in GDP. Disintegration of the EU is perfectly fine from their point of view and so is the dismemberment of Russia*. If both can be achieved, which can be reasonably viewed as a likely objective of the Ukraine trigger being launched a year after the Brexit vote in 2014, especially without direct involvement as they seem to have surmised, then this round of the Great Game for Eurasia has been won for the Anglosphere at least for the 21st century if not beyond.
This claim, amongst so many others on this thread, would be surreal even if there were some facts to support your case. It was the US that supported the re-unification of Germany against UK and France. Ironically that is another grievance against US/NATO that many also argue as a conspiracy against Russia. 1990-2020 has seen some of the greatest prosperity the world has ever witnessed, with China & India witnessing reductions in poverty that has no parallel. The EU too has prospered enormously from this, without having to pay for their own security.

While Trump has been supportive of Brexit, the establishment and Democrats have been against the UK leaving the EU.
Whereas former U.S. president Barack Obama openly spoke out against Brexit and urged British voters to “stick with” the EU during his visit to London in April 2016, Trump has been an outspoken supporter of Brexit since before he was elected president.
So long as specious references to some secret grand strategy of the US/UK all the way from Rome to Mackinder/Caroe and Kissinger can be made, facts can be safely ignored.

Pretty similar to the global economy thread where the imminent collapse of the USD to be replaced by the petro-yuan was made on a daily basis at the same time as the claim the US would attack and destroy any country that would choose another reserve currency.
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Raja wrote:Lol and yet, vast majority of Russians would move to Europe if they could.
A large number of those that are harping about the perfidy of the US/EU, actually live there.
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Heard some insane amount of methane is coming out of Nordstream but Greta Thunberg is not in sight, in fact not a squeal from climate czar on spectacle of charred tanks, ammos, diesel, ruined fields! Climate RR seems to be another scam from neocons.
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NRao wrote:
KrishnaK wrote: For it to be a world war, which countries are going to be fighting on the other side lol?
Excellent question.

I would counter with who will join the West. As an example, under the current situation would Italy?

Germany? A hollowed out, economically disabled Germany?

UK, with LESS than 80,000 in their army, and a dysfunctional economy?

A US fighting a peer miles away? The US is preparing, as a FYI, to fight China. While I can buy that American politicians are rha rha about Russia, the Def dept is 100% focused on China. 100%.
Germany and the UK continue to be top notch economies. To call hollowed out or disabled only serves to demonstrate severe allergy to facts. Severe inflation and/or recession have been witnessed by those countries before and will be again at some point in the future. What makes them top-notch economies is their ability at manufacturing, science, R&D, finance, education and all the other things that make them developed economies. It is Russia with its dependence on export of oil and natural resources that is a hollowed out economy. Germany alone, on a war footing, would be able to take it on. It has not been able to militarily defeat a country much smaller than itself after having armed itself for explicitly this purpose for OVER A DECADE.
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KrishnaK wrote:
NRao wrote:
Excellent question.

I would counter with who will join the West. As an example, under the current situation would Italy?

Germany? A hollowed out, economically disabled Germany?

UK, with LESS than 80,000 in their army, and a dysfunctional economy?

A US fighting a peer miles away? The US is preparing, as a FYI, to fight China. While I can buy that American politicians are rha rha about Russia, the Def dept is 100% focused on China. 100%.
Germany and the UK continue to be top notch economies. To call hollowed out or disabled only serves to demonstrate severe allergy to facts. Severe inflation and/or recession have been witnessed by those countries before and will be again at some point in the future. What makes them top-notch economies is their ability at manufacturing, science, R&D, finance, education and all the other things that make them developed economies. It is Russia with its dependence on export of oil and natural resources that is a hollowed out economy. Germany alone, on a war footing, would be able to take it on. It has not been able to militarily defeat a country much smaller than itself after having armed itself for explicitly this purpose for OVER A DECADE.
German Economy, today, runs on extremely cheap energy.

It was Schröder that negotiated a deal with Russia. And, Merkel gave "iron clad" guarantees to Putin for Nord Stream 2. It was Germany that approached Russia, not the other way around.

It was Reagan and people who came after him that did everything to break the Russia-German link on energy. Since the 80s.

Germany has a lot money, but has no energy source as cheap as Russia. And without cheap gas Germany cannot be as competitive.

Since this is a deliberate attempt by the US, Germany has no say and thus will be hollowed out. A Polish leader (married to an American neocon) thanked America for blowing up the pipelines.

Tell me one European leader that is speaking against the cut off of cheap energy.

No idea what more you want.
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Cyrano wrote:...That article is delusional.
As is most other stuff from the Grauniad.
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A Deshmukh wrote:With NS-1 and 2 being hit, what are the retaliation options for Rus?
1) Dont do anything with NATO. let it pass. acquire Ukr territory and merge with Rus. and defend.
2) fire missiles and destroy some oil/gas pipelines in US?
3) use hidden agents to sabotage similar pipelines in US?
Russia simply does not have proven capability to pull 2 without going all nuclear and does not have any capability to pull number 3. Cyber Warfare is their only bet at this point if they want to retaliate against US and still not expect to do a full panga with US
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IndraD wrote:Heard some insane amount of methane is coming out of Nordstream but Greta Thunberg is not in sight, in fact not a squeal from climate czar on spectacle of charred tanks, ammos, diesel, ruined fields! Climate RR seems to be another scam from neocons.
The war and its dampening of economic activity has actually curbed pollution in the Western world as a side effect of high energy prices. For some environmentalists who care only about emissions, this war is acceptable. I do not understand what Greta's involvement or lack there of proves anything.

https://www.cnet.com/news/politics/feat ... activists/
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Jay wrote:
IndraD wrote:Heard some insane amount of methane is coming out of Nordstream but Greta Thunberg is not in sight, in fact not a squeal from climate czar on spectacle of charred tanks, ammos, diesel, ruined fields! Climate RR seems to be another scam from neocons.
The war and its dampening of economic activity has actually curbed pollution in the Western world as a side effect of high energy prices. For some environmentalists who care only about emissions, this war is acceptable. I do not understand what Greta's involvement or lack there of proves anything.
wow what about impact on marine life & methane last heard was still a green house gas! Covid also brought industries down how about SARS4
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Germany unveils €200bn help for consumers and says it won’t follow UK’s route, caps energy prices in a u turn
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... iscal-path
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Indian doctor forced to abandon beloved pet jaguar https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-63085345

Orthopaedic dr had to flee Ukraine now hiding in Poland having left his jaguars behind
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Can Russians use Armenia to take out Azerbaijani Gas Pipeline to Europe?
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IndraD wrote:
wow what about impact on marine life & methane last heard was still a green house gas! Covid also brought industries down how about SARS4
Yeah, what about them?
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US ambassador to Bakis visit Pok addresses it as AZK in sign of US hardening stance against India
“The Quaid-e-Azam Memorial Dak Bungalow symbolizes the cultural and historical richness of Pakistan and was famously visited by Jinnah in 1944. I’m honored to visit during my first trip to AJK.” -DB #AmbBlome #PakUSAt75 1/3
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>>This claim, amongst so many others on this thread, would be surreal even if there were some facts to support your case.

The Anglosphere comprises the largest economic grouping in the world. That is a fact. From their point of view, disintegration of the European Union into its component states would be a far better proposition than discussing with the EU as a grouping - that is just common sense; which is why the US and others are pushing bilateralism (and the US sub-national diplomacy well) which are reflective of their interest. It is not bad for India either, as a matter of fact. The ending of Russia through "overextending" & "unbalancing" and "weakening" it has been pushed by the US government backed RAND (more than once) as well by Secretary Austin; not to mention that it is basically a primary thesis in Brzezinski's book the Grand Chessboard (specifically using Ukraine). Kissinger, as another matter of act, has been against it and has spoken out against American policy on Ukraine since the war started.

The more you view things through this prism, it becomes clearer that the US (post-cold war & post 9-11) has begun to don the mantle of the imperial British style of dealing with the world; clearly visible in Yugoslavia, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan (in particular - right up to the compromise with the Taliban, a particularly British style - I suspect, like the British, they will be back as well). Another fact is that the US/UK combined have some 850 plus military bases worldwide. The rest of the world combined have a fraction of that.

But of course this is a viewpoint, predictive analysis, one might say. The only thing that will settle it in truth is the course of events, i.e. whether they play out as predicted. We shall see.

>>It was the US that supported the re-unification of Germany against UK and France. Ironically that is another grievance against US/NATO that many also argue as a conspiracy against Russia. 1990-2020 has seen some of the greatest prosperity the world has ever witnessed, with China & India witnessing reductions in poverty that has no parallel. The EU too has prospered enormously from this, without having to pay for their own security.

The reunification of Germany symbolized by the breaking of the wall as the deathblow to the Soviet Union, as East Germany was the second most powerful component of the former East Bloc after Russia. The promises to Russia about expansion of NATO were in return for acceptance of reunification, and the Germans have clarified this somewhere recently. There is a straight line from there to what is now happening in Ukraine.

As for the rest of it, definitely China and India prospered, leveraging their relationships with the US very well in the period. Good for all, eventually. Let's see how it goes from here though. That the EU did not pay for its own security is their huge strategic mistake. They are now, and will continue to pay for it for some years to come.

>>A large number of those that are harping about the perfidy of the US/EU, actually live there.

I'm not sure what the insinuation here is (if it is addressed to me as I have European citizenship), presumably that anyone who criticises the US/EU is biting the hand that feeds them?

In any case, there is no criticism of the European countries in my post; in fact the continental EU states are the primary victims from the economic point of view so far, more than even the Russians - Germany in particular. There is far more dissent with what governments in the EU, and especially the bureaucrats of the European Commission (von der Leyen, Michel and so on), are doing and saying that it appears to be on mainstream media. Far more. One of the reasons why people are electing far right parties is because they are worried about what will happen, when the economies go south, with the large immigrant populations in their countries. (This is a lot of hearsay admittedly, but I consider these concerns valid enough - having lived there much of my life). You'll never hear of it in the media though.

Nobody in Europe will say that Putin was right, in fact the contrary. But very few think he woke up on Feb. 24 and decided to invade Ukraine on a whim. They know there's a backstory. As more and more facts come to light...

1. NATO has been training Ukrainians to the level of interoperability at least since 2014, having said that it will become a member in 2014 - despite having known that Georgia & Ukraine were the final red lines - and despite Russia having swallowed the admission of 14 other countries post 1991;
2. The Ukrainians are perhaps more Nazi than they thought; Poroshenko's famous speech (a snippet of it in Anne Laure Bonnel's documentary "Donbass" (2016) is enough;
3. The plan to instigate war in Ukraine was disclosed by Zelensky's advisor Arestovic in a 2019 interview (in ridiculous detail) - it's on youtube.
4. There is strong circumstantial evidence that the "Nazi" elements in Ukraine were nurtured and revived in the late 1990s precisely for the purpose that they were used for (a European version of the Afghan mujahedin used against the Soviets - the eastern beartrap model used in the west). It is instructive in this context to look at the evolution of Reinhard Gehlen's organization, its use during the Cold War, and its revival in the late 1990s (not sure of the years, could have been mid-1990s), and the association with Stepan Bandera. There's a straight line from Gehlen to the likes of Oleh Tyannibok, with parts of the line being dashed when the people involved were briefly out of commission.

...this is trickling down into the populations of the EU. And it is not good for the US. Especially at a time when they could have turned Russia into a partner of sorts, creating a vested interest in European stability. I have yet to see an answer anywhere to this question: what was wrong with the US providing military security to Europe while Russia provided energy security, creating a vested interest among both parties in EU stability and prosperity? This was the basic strategy behind Germany's approach to Russia (a sort of diluted Marshall Plan approach by the EU victor of the Cold War towards the defeated Moscow) to build the Nordstream 2 line. This line was requested by Germany. Now it is blown up. Interesting times ahead.
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