Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

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Dhamaka sales exchange offers galore this festive season! Hurry while stocks last ... Err may be not !

From RT:
Germany is surprised by Poland's accusations of violating the tank exchange agreement

Warsaw demanded the latest Leopard 2A7 from Germany, in exchange for the old T-72M1 and T-72M1R given to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The Poles want an equal number of vehicles transferred to the Ukrainians - 200 new tanks.

However, the Germans simply do not have as many of the latest Leopard 2A7 tanks.

In addition, they need to be produced, and that takes time.

Only one Leopard 2A7 costs 13 million euros, and the T-72M1 1.8 million euros.

The Bundeswehr has only 20 such machines.

The day before, Polish President Andrzej Duda accused German Chancellor Olaf Scholz of exchanging and violating the agreement, adding that he was disappointed with the Germans. #UkraineWar #Russia #Ukraine
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Deans wrote:
Baikul wrote:
That puts Russian ships near Snake Island firmly in range. Harpoons have a range of up to 124 kilometres as per Janes. I’m not sure how long it will take for Ukraine to integrate the system.
The Neptune has a longer range and Ukraine will have spares and systems set up to operate the missiles.
Russia can simply declare that its submarines will enforce a blockade. Odessa port can also be wrecked and made unusable by missile strikes.
Neptune has range of around 300 km it listed as based on Uran but I believe it is actually Uranium missile (improved Uran with 300 km range) which Russians where trying to get funding from us for development but we backed out once we had Brahmos in early 00s. I need to dig more into that to confirm it looks like Ukraine might have actually funded it or gotten tech transfer. Ukraine only has a handful of Neptune and might have used them up.

They are in this predicament because their parliament refused to fund its purchase for years even though it was tested years ago since they didn’t want to see procurement of Neptune as a threat to Russia (and the pro Russian legislators disapproved it as well). It was only approved recently and only handful of missiles where developed and no official induction tests where done yet.
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Message from Ukr side - Lemon frontline...

<Message>
We need ammo, Schwarzy guns, kitkats, EUS passports, but have nothing in these shit holes while cruel Russian orcs are coming at us from all sides.

St. elensly busy begging in Davos and selling half the country to Poland, The 3 Stooges (Lyden, Borrell and Michel) are quiet, Brits busy reviving Royal Navy, Scholz busy getting a hair transplant no make that brain transplant... Macron? Anyone saw Macron? Bidenwah is smelling geisha hair and clucking dentures in Japan

Arre Bhai log, there is a war going on in the middle of Europe, blond bleu eyed boys and mega tattooed men are dying by the droves. The world doesn't care!

Beware ! Help us NOW! Or we will export NeoNaughtys from our bio laps all over the world and overrun your strip clubs and hack p@rntube. We'll stop at nothing !!!

Boom! poof ! Static buzz...
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Cyrano wrote:Message from Ukr side - Lemon frontline...

<Message>
We need ammo, Schwarzy guns, kitkats, EUS passports, but have nothing in these shit holes while cruel Russian orcs are coming at us from all sides.

St. elensly busy begging in Davos and selling half the country to Poland, The 3 Stooges (Lyden, Borrell and Michel) are quiet, Brits busy reviving Royal Navy, Scholz busy getting a hair transplant no make that brain transplant... Macron? Anyone saw Macron? Bidenwah is smelling geisha hair and clucking dentures in Japan

Arre Bhai log, there is a war going on in the middle of Europe, blond bleu eyed boys and mega tattooed men are dying by the droves. The world doesn't care!

Beware ! Help us NOW! Or we will export NeoNaughtys from our bio laps all over the world and overrun your strip clubs and hack p@rntube. We'll stop at nothing !!!

Boom! poof ! Static buzz...
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Some indian fighting there?
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This is in my humble opinion some of the craziest footage to come out of the war. Brutal trench fighting probably how they did their raids in World War One.

Apparently this is the 4th motorized rifle brigade of the LPR attacking Ukranian trenches a couple months ago.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/ ... ame=iossmf

You’ll see a Ukrainian soldier throwing back a grenade back twice, before being killed.
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This map summarises why the situation is so delicately balanced on the Eastern front at present. Whether the Russians can close the ring, or whether the Ukrainians can counterattack successfully remains to be seen.

Russian source, so take it for whatever you consider it’s worth.

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^ Russia is battle against time very similar to Kyiv have to close it fast or get a ceasefire because as I said earlier they are throwing a lot of bodies in the offensive which you cannot sustain for more than a month. Early to mid June will be critical months that will shape whether we see another retreat or not.

NYT article on battle of Siversky Donets River. First time you kinda start seeing full picture corroborates both Russian and Ukrainian soldier accounts from failed crossing that cost over 90 vehicles.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/worl ... onbas.html
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Baikul wrote:This map summarises why the situation is so delicately balanced on the Eastern front at present. Whether the Russians can close the ring, or whether the Ukrainians can counterattack successfully remains to be seen.

Russian source, so take it for whatever you consider it’s worth.
Supposedly there are 15,000 in the two towns. IF so, they are some of the best forces Ukraine has. And, very little time to withdraw. IF these UKR forces are encircled, I think, it is over for UKR.

In 3 months Russians have captured area the size of England - and that territory is not going back, lost forever.
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Unconfirmed report :
Ukrainian sources report that a decision was made at the level of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine not to send artillery to the AFU grouping operating in the Donbass, but to concentrate it in the cities on the "second defensive line" Kharkiv-Dnepropetrovsk-Zaporozhye-Nikolaev, since in field battles "90 percent of it will be destroyed." If this message is true, it is obvious that the eastern grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has already been written off. Recall that earlier there was news that Zaluzhny ordered the withdrawal of artillery from Severodonetsk, for fear of losing it. | #UkraineWar | #Russia | #Ukraine |
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NRao wrote:
Baikul wrote:This map summarises why the situation is so delicately balanced on the Eastern front at present. Whether the Russians can close the ring, or whether the Ukrainians can counterattack successfully remains to be seen.

Russian source, so take it for whatever you consider it’s worth.
Supposedly there are 15,000 in the two towns. IF so, they are some of the best forces Ukraine has. And, very little time to withdraw. IF these UKR forces are encircled, I think, it is over for UKR.

In 3 months Russians have captured area the size of England - and that territory is not going back, lost forever.
Currently 122k sq km is occupied in the conflict. Of that 43k sq km is prewar and most of current gains came from initial gains in the south.

https://twitter.com/criticalthreats/sta ... juJgv1TMKA
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It’s an attritional battle still, IMO. In the map I posted above, the Ukrainians can pull back to a second fortified line shown just to the front of Bakhmut.

15,000 captured Ukrainian soldiers - if it happens - will be a serious blow, but still not decisive IMO given UA’s purported strength which is above 700,000. So a part of the UA are possibly in the bag, but it’s still a long way to go.

In any case here’s Igor Girkin (maverick, hard line Russian supporter and prior senior official) on the subject. Long quote from https://t.me/strelkovii/2599
Changes in the operational situation on the Donetsk front:

1. Liman - the garrison is defeated and gradually retreats with heavy losses in manpower, including prisoners. However, at the moment the city has not yet been completely taken.

2. Severodonetsk - fighting on the outskirts. South of Lisichansk, the enemy continues to cling to their heavily fortified positions in the Zolote-Orekhovo area, despite the fact that this grouping has practically already fallen into an operational encirclement. The entire grouping in the Severodonetsk-Lysichansk area is now really in the "bag", supply is possible only along the roads that are under fire. Apparently, the Kyiv units fighting there are destined for the fate of the Mariupol garrison, counting on gaining time. Whether the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine fighting there are capable of fighting so steadfastly after suffering heavy losses - we will soon find out.

3. On the outskirts of Bakhmut (Artemovsk) and the distant approaches to Soledar, fighting continues without a significant advance of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the Armed Forces of the DPR. Along this line (approximately) runs the second main line of defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which has been preparing for many years. If it is not possible to break into it on the shoulders of the retreating enemy, then it will again have to be "gnawed through" for a long time and with heavy losses.

4. In the area north and northwest of Avdeevka, where yesterday the DPR Armed Forces managed to cut the Avdeevka-Konstantinovka highway, this morning massive artillery strikes were carried out on the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Two counterattacks with the support of armored vehicles, undertaken by the Armed Forces of Ukraine this morning, were successfully repelled by units of the DPR Armed Forces with losses to the enemy.

General: the enemy is actively replenishing his battered units with reservists and (to a lesser extent) military equipment. In many personnel units and formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the cadre has already been knocked out by 40-50, and somewhere even 60%, which cannot but affect their effectiveness and stability. At the same time, enemy artillery continues to work very accurately, massively and effectively, the use of NATO artillery systems (155-mm howitzers) is noted. I still have the impression that the enemy is holding back his operational reserves both to hold the second line of defense and for the attempts planned over the summer to launch a counteroffensive and wrest the initiative from the hands of the Russian command.
In any case, the strategic defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the battle for Donbass is still far away.
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John wrote:
Currently 122k sq km is occupied in the conflict. Of that 43k sq km is prewar and most of current gains came from initial gains in the south.

https://twitter.com/criticalthreats/sta ... juJgv1TMKA
England is around 130,279 km2

Considering pretty much of all of Luhansk and Donetsk are gone, in addition to a lot of territory in the south, that should come close to the size of England. If not today, certainly in a month or so?

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BTW, I think I mentioned it earlier too, this "Institute" is owned and operated by the Kagan family - two Kagan brothers, whose wives Kimberly (officer at ISW) and Victoria Nuland (author of the Euro Maidan in 2014) are the core players in this mess. They are the equivalent of those that convinced all of us that Iraq had WMD.

Iraq redux

Spend another trillion dollars (ask China for loans) and hand UKR to Putin. A strategy perfected by the Soros, Kagans, Krystol, Blinken, Sullivan, and of course the Clintons and tested in Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, and of course (by Bush's admission) Iraq. Works wonderfully.
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NRao wrote:
John wrote:
Currently 122k sq km is occupied in the conflict. Of that 43k sq km is prewar and most of current gains came from initial gains in the south.

https://twitter.com/criticalthreats/sta ... juJgv1TMKA
England is around 130,279 km2

Considering pretty much of all of Luhansk and Donetsk are gone, in addition to a lot of territory in the south, that should come close to the size of England. If not today, certainly in a month or so?

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BTW, I think I mentioned it earlier too, this "Institute" is owned and operated by the Kagan family - two Kagan brothers, whose wives Kimberly (officer at ISW) and Victoria Nuland (author of the Euro Maidan in 2014) are the core players in this mess. They are the equivalent of those that convinced all of us that Iraq had WMD.

Iraq redux

Spend another trillion dollars (ask China for loans) and hand UKR to Putin. A strategy perfected by the Soros, Kagans, Krystol, Blinken, Sullivan, and of course the Clintons and tested in Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, and of course (by Bush's admission) Iraq. Works wonderfully.
There is always some agenda but the map is accurate and even Pro Russian accounts use it. Russia at one point controlled the area the size of UK but that changed with Kyiv retreat. Most of north east region is inhibitable while it lists as Russia and Ukranian control and good chunk are no mans land. If certain areas fall around Kharkiv you can big see chunk in sq km than what’s happening in the east if you care amount of sq km under control..
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Sky News has done a nice story on conditions in Severodonetsk. Feels pretty balanced.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war- ... r-12620608
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Maps courtesy ISW. Image 1 gives the present position. Image 2 the evolution of Russian held territory over the last 3 months. The estimate is that including Crimea the total area under Russian control is about 120,000 sq km. Crimea alone is 27,000 sq km. That means that after 3 months of fighting Russia has captured a net area of about 90,000 sq km. For reference the total land area of Ukraine including Crimea is ~600,000 sq km.

I think what will now constitute a military victory for Russia is if they can occupy the entire coastline beyond Odessa upto the Romanian border and effectively make Ukraine landlocked. If at all they can do it, it will be a long hard slog and will likely take many months. And the next question is whether they can then hang on to that entire coastal belt.

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John wrote: There is always some agenda but the map is accurate and even Pro Russian accounts use it. Russia at one point controlled the area the size of UK but that changed with Kyiv retreat. Most of north east region is inhibitable while it lists as Russia and Ukranian control and good chunk are no mans land. If certain areas fall around Kharkiv you can big see chunk in sq km than what’s happening in the east if you care amount of sq km under control..
That is fine. You want to use those maps go ahead. Neocons and therefore that Institute (ISW) is what I am opposed to.

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Pictures of Switchblade I don’t believe it is captured as PR indicates looking at the damage. I believe it was shot down or failed to detonate , notice the clear signs of damage.

https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1529 ... nnUP2LABPw
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Russian forces have ‘upper hand’ in Donbas fighting, Ukrainian officials say
Governor of Luhansk says Ukrainian troops retreating in some areas, as city of Lyman reportedly captured
Officials in Ukraine have admitted that Russia has the “upper hand” in fighting in the country’s east, as Ukrainian forces fell back from some of their positions in the Donbas region.

Amid reports that Lyman, the site of an important railway junction, had largely been taken by Russian forces, Ukraine’s general staff reported that Russian forces were also advancing on Sievierodonetsk, Bakhmut and Avdiivka.

The governor of Luhansk region, Serhiy Haidai, said just 5% of the region now remained in Ukrainian hands – down from about 10% little more than a week ago – and that Ukrainian forces were retreating in some areas.

“It is clear that our boys are slowly retreating to more fortified positions – we need to hold back this horde,” Haidai said. Hinting at further withdrawals, he said it was possible that troops would leave “one settlement, maybe two. We need to win the war, not the battle.”

Separately, a senior Ukrainian military official conceded at a briefing on Thursday that Russia had the upper hand in fighting in Luhansk. “Russia has the advantage, but we are doing everything we can,” Gen Oleksiy Gromov said.

Haidai said police in Lysychansk were burying the bodies of civilians in mass graves, with about 150 people having been buried in such a grave in one district.

If confirmed, Russia’s continuing advances in Lyman, which has been contested for a month, would make it easier for Russian forces to isolate the key city of Sievierodonetsk, which has been under relentless shelling for days.

According to accounts posted on social media, Lyman’s Ukrainian defenders had pulled back to the southern outskirts, although fighting was continuing, in particular around the railway sidings in the city.

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NBC News:

Russia has the advantage in eastern Ukraine. Now it's pressing for a crucial win.

Nice to see ISW is finally coming around. Decisive moment indeed.
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With Ukrainian officials voicing concern their troops are now outmanned and outgunned, this Russian push could prove a decisive moment in the conflict.

In recent days Russian forces have used heavy artillery, airstrikes and infantry to close in on the cities of Severodonetsk and Lysyschansk, U.S.-based military think tank the Institute for the Study of War said in its most recent update on the situation.

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NRao wrote:NBC News:

Russia has the advantage in eastern Ukraine. Now it's pressing for a crucial win.

Nice to see ISW is finally coming around. Decisive moment indeed.
ISW coverage has been compromised, due to its connections with Victoria Nuland. Part of its reporting seems to be `cut-paste' from the Ukraine MOD. For ISW to change its position is big news.
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Not change of position - change of narrative to prepare the audience for the impending defeat.
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One point mentioned in the Russian media is that the RA is trying to avoid urban combat. In the towns under attack in the Donbass, they are intentionally not surrounding the town, but giving the defenders a corridor out. Those who take that option, will be unable to leave with their heavy weapons or vehicles and can't quickly prepare a fresh defensive position. Those that remain are reduced in number with wounded to take care of. Lyman has just fallen that way (500 POW).
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Yes that seems to be the case, and Ukranian forces commanders and regulars, along with the best weaponry and vehicles are taking those corridors leaving lower ranks and conscripts to fend for themselves with poor weapons, low ammo and food - that's why they are surrendering when Russian troops reach them.

Notably, the extreme right militias like Aidar, Azov are also the first ones to leave. Anyone who opposes , asks for written orders or refuses to stay behind to die are being shot. Russian forces have discovered several bodies with hands tied behind the back and shot in the areas AFU 'evacuated'.

Several groups of Ukranian soldiers have posted messages and have criticised this.
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What I dont understand Deans is that if the objective was to create a buffer from NATO then Kharkiv to Chernihiv is still the original border? Or am I missing something.
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ks_sachin wrote:What I dont understand Deans is that if the objective was to create a buffer from NATO then Kharkiv to Chernihiv is still the original border? Or am I missing something.
I think the objective is that Ukraine (in whatever form) remain neutral.
Before the war, Russia would have been content with a non NATO Ukraine and autonomy for the Donbass within Ukraine (Minsk 2.0).
I think there has been too much bad blood and too many Russian deaths for that to be acceptable now.

The natural border between both countries would be the Dnieper river, but Russia will probably wants to retain Kherson province (a possible bridgehead West of the Dnieper) and Ukraine will want to retain the area between the Donbass and the Dnieper.
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https://twitter.com/AggregateOsint/stat ... 5714596870
#Lyman - #Russia has captured the city of Lyman after weeks of shelling and preparation. The ground assault by #RUAF only lasted 3 days. #Ukrainian troops have withdrawn to the SW and are likely moving across the Donets River to avoid capture. #RUAF is securing the NE river bank.

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The capture of Lyman puts the city of Slovyansk well within range of #Russian artillery, which will likely start shelling the city soon. #RUAF and the frontlines are now 9mi/15km from the city center. #RUAF still has to cross the Donets to conduct a ground assault.

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Cyrano wrote: Several groups of Ukranian soldiers have posted messages and have criticised this.
Ukrainian soldiers are posting these messages collectively, as a company or platoon, so that no soldier is later singled out for punishment.
One volunteer Battalion posted that they were asked to attack with no recon and no intel about the enemy. They started with 260 odd infantry
and lost 100+ in their first encounter with the Russians.
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On a live feed with Lira and the two Alexs, they are reporting (live) that there has been shelling Kharkov and that part of the urban area has lost its internet, etc

Also, that UKR troops are surrendering.

Meanwhile they are saying that the battles in the Donbas have been "brutal"

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14 minutes of Gonzalo Lira. Very interesting take FWIW:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8mOw_HMSy4
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[quote="NRao"]https://twitter.com/AggregateOsint/stat ... 5714596870

[quote]#Lyman - #Russia has captured the city of Lyman after weeks of shelling and preparation. The ground assault by #RUAF only lasted 3 days. #Ukrainian troops have withdrawn to the SW and are likely moving across the Donets River to avoid capture. #RUAF is securing the NE river bank.

The capture of Lyman puts the city of Slovyansk well within range of #Russian artillery, which will likely start shelling the city soon. #RUAF and the frontlines are now 9mi/15km from the city center. #RUAF still has to cross the Donets to conduct a ground assault.

Slavyansk & Kramatorsk (which is where the Ukrainian defense East of the Dnieper is centered on) will be threated from 4 directions i.e.
- The Russian advance South West from Izyum, which can taker Nikopol and cut theor main supply route.
- The forces now at Lyman, which put Slavyansk in Artillery range
- Russian advance North West from Popasna-Soledar, will bypass Bakmut and cut the M03 highway East of Slavyansk &
- Russian advance North West from Toretsk & Niu York which cuts off Bakmut and then Kramatorsk from the South.

Even if any of these thrusts fail, it would be difficult to defend Slavyansk-Kramatorsk. I think the choice being given to the Ukraine high command is weather to continue to throw in reserves (and Western weapons) to defend it, as they have been doing so far in the Donbass, or retreat.
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NRao wrote:On a live feed with Lira and the two Alexs, they are reporting (live) that there has been shelling Kharkov and that part of the urban area has lost its internet, etc

Also, that UKR troops are surrendering.

Meanwhile they are saying that the battles in the Donbas have been "brutal"

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14 minutes of Gonzalo Lira. Very interesting take FWIW:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8mOw_HMSy4
Ukr troops Surrendering in Kharkov? Ukrainian forces just retook Ternova north of the city. Probably need to take Rubizhne to get Kharkiv out of Pion artillery range.

https://twitter.com/aggregateosint/stat ... 6un1fe_-YA
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Yelenski's (since Z is banned in Ukraine) conduct is starting to be like Hitler in the last year of the war.
- Overruling his generals.
- Insisting that every town be turned into a fortress with no retreat/ surrender.
- Reliance on his SS (Azov) and Volkstrum (Territorial army) instead of the regular army.
- Believing that new wonder weapons will change the outcome of the war.
- Draconian decrees against his own people.
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Lot of cat and mouse going on in Kharkov, I believe the Kraken militias are based there, known to be the muscle men of the SBU.

It's the second largest Ukr city, Russia will not want to make it another Mariupol but is counting on it falling when Donbass and Karamatorsk are taken. They keep reminding AFU they're not far by shelling regularly to tie down some forces there.
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Yup, except none of Hitler's self respect. elensly's antics remind me of scammers I used to see in Mumbai decades ago, using a seemingly sick bleeding child for begging.
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John wrote: Ukr troops Surrendering in Kharkov? Ukrainian forces just retook Ternova north of the city. Probably need to take Rubizhne to get Kharkiv out of Pion artillery range.
Ternova and Rubizhna are no longer relevant, as Russian supplies are now moving to the Izyum front from further East (Kupyansk is the logistics hub)
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Cyrano wrote:Yup, except none of Hitler's self respect. elensly's antics remind me of scammers I used to see in Mumbai decades ago, using a seemingly sick bleeding child for begging.
:D

The difference is that a Mumbai beggar was at least ashamed of begging, Zelenskyy is full of self righteousness. Ukraine is actually saving the world from Russia and the rest of the world must pay.

The Mumbai beggar also had some more reasons to beg, a handicap, an accident, but usually not a swollen ego (don't know if this has changed now).
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^ Keep this for combat discussion another thread you can discuss about Ukrainian politics.

Ukraine AF is claiming to have shot down a Su-35 with a Mig-29. Some Russian source acknowledge a dogfight might have happened over Kherson but uncertain of the outcome. Supposed load of the Mig-29 involved

https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/sta ... I3AiJyl1Nw

Notice the R-27EA

https://twitter.com/ua_industrial/statu ... I3AiJyl1Nw

Added looks like people in kherson recorded this engagement pretty remarkable UkrAF Mig-29 engaging RusAF Su-35 over the city. There is jet headed down but I can’t call it a kill without some wreckage.


https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1530 ... aKAd2KvB2Q

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1530 ... aKAd2KvB2Q
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^^ one interesting pic in there (the fighter apparently going down), but we don’t know whether, who, when and how.
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Baikul wrote:^^ one interesting pic in there (the fighter apparently going down), but we don’t know whether, who, when and how.
Yea also can see what looks like missile trail (few have noted looking at trail it looks like long range A2A missile) and explosion but we don’t know it hit something or self destructed. Also unusual for Su-35 or any AC to be flying that high unless it was doing SEAD mission against Ukr OSA Air defense in outskirts.
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John wrote:
Baikul wrote:^^ one interesting pic in there (the fighter apparently going down), but we don’t know whether, who, when and how.
Yea also can see what looks like missile trail (few have noted looking at trail it looks like long range A2A missile) and explosion but we don’t know it hit something or self destructed. Also unusual for Su-35 or any AC to be flying that high unless it was doing SEAD mission against Ukr OSA Air defense in outskirts.
I also seem to recall reading somewhere that the Si-35 have the same frame as the Su-27. Possible? I have no clue but it seems something is going down.

Meanwhile the news below - passing a law to shoot deserters -IMO reflects some issues in the UA, giving credence to the earlier videos from supposed UA troops complaining about conditions.

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-passes ... ers-304911
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