Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

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Cyrano wrote:Ukraine’s war secret: how many of their troops have died?

https://archive.ph/Eb6nb
Talking to few colleagues (Dems) who always opposed wars by Bush

* We have to project our power
* Cheapest war in terms of American men
* Someone else is fighting Russia for us. Why not take it?
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https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/in- ... -total-war

I think experts are not looking at the objectives deciding the conduct of war.

The US way of war is to capture the center of gravity and end the war.
This might work with democratic states.
With an ideological/authoritarian state, you need to destroy its capability to wage war.
In fact, US Civil War also shows this concept.

The North could have captured Richmond and ended the war in a year at most.
But they dragged it for 4 years and destroyed the South.
In Gulf War, US captured Baghdad and forced a regime change. However, ended up getting a long resistance and eventually had to leave.
Same in Afghanistan. The capture of Kabul and installing Karzai were easy.
But eventually had to leave Kabul and the Taliban came back.

So why did India succeed in East Pakistan by capturing Dacca?
Well, the Pak Army of 93000 was really an occupying force and the capture of Dacca led to their removal.


The same tactic won't work with a dash to Indus.
It will be a brutal war of destruction with Pakistan.
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Cyrano wrote:Ukraine’s war secret: how many of their troops have died?

https://archive.ph/Eb6nb
speculation no real journalism, no intent to investigate, quickly farticle degenerates into cacophony of ukraine propaganda

someone posted on how to access articles behind paywall, is it possible to repeat it pls (other than archive.ph)?
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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... s?from=mdr

Putin: nato participating in ukr war by sending billions worth weapons into Ukraine (why it took so late to spell it!)
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ukr drones struck Minsk airfield

The attack on the military airfield near Minsk is confirmed. The strike likely targeted the Russian A-50 early warning aircraft. https://twitter.com/Trollstoy88/status/ ... 06305?s=20
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^ per panwalla no a50 was hit . A Belarusian ATC tower of hybrid civilian and military use was damaged. Nonetheless act of war against Belarus.
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Some humour....click on link below for video...

https://twitter.com/Chopsyturvey/status ... 71937?s=20 ---> Ukraine was doing fine. Then USA extended it's hand in support. Hilarious.
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Zelensky fires top Ukrainian military commander


the dismissal of Major Gen. Eduard Mykhailovich Moskalov, who had served in the role overseeing battles in the Donbas region since last March, is the latest in a series of Ukrainian leadership changes since the Russian military invasion began in February last year.

Zoom in: Several high-profile Ukrainian officials were fired or resigned last month as Zelensky moved to contain allegations of corruption.

https://www.axios.com/2023/02/27/zelens ... -commander
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A thought crossed my mind: what if the target of Nuland, Blinken etc is actually Ukraine where tens of thousands of Jews were killed in the last century by banderites and Nationalists, in horrible massacres like Babi yar etc only they are getting the job done by Russia killing two birds with one stone? Being too Anglo-Saxon Trump didn't care about this but Biden is onboard fully. Too far fetched?
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Cyrano wrote:A thought crossed my mind: what if the target of Nuland, Blinken etc is actually Ukraine where tens of thousands of Jews were killed in the last century by banderites and Nationalists, in horrible massacres like Babi yar etc only they are getting the job done by Russia killing two birds with one stone? Being too Anglo-Saxon Trump didn't care about this but Biden is onboard fully. Too far fetched?
Yep!

That is how they will portray her in the movies
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Looks like Russia is reorganizing its assault battalions.

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/statu ... 5wieQ&s=19

Can some one post the thread summary?
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A Russian spy plane worth £274 million has been severely damaged by partisan terrorists in Belarus https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/ ... partisans/

The A-50 aircraft, which is used to identify and track targets for military operations, was rendered non-operational after local resistance members used drones to drop explosives on it, according to reports.
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https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/sta ... 79905?s=20

Russian media report that around 2 a.m. on February 28. Two drones with explosives attacked the Rosneft oil depot near the city of Tuapse. Distance to the territory controlled by Ukraine from there is +430km.
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Biden says he is ruling out giving Ukraine F-16s ‘for now’
https://www.pilotonline.com/military/bi ... story.html
25 Feb 2023
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Ukrainian military unit named after Boris Johnson is wiped out by Wagner troops https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... mailonline
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Cyrano wrote:A thought crossed my mind: what if the target of Nuland, Blinken etc is actually Ukraine where tens of thousands of Jews were killed in the last century by banderites and Nationalists, in horrible massacres like Babi yar etc only they are getting the job done by Russia killing two birds with one stone? Being too Anglo-Saxon Trump didn't care about this but Biden is onboard fully. Too far fetched?
Or of USA wants the Ukrainian farmlands without resistance, in fact the Ukrainian mobilization has been lopsided, those from Kyiv and near the Belarus Border escape while the Hungarian minority, Lviv, Odessa, Donbas are all being dragged from the street. Some Ukrainian Soldiers who became POW's, then exchanged by the Russians went again to the front and died.

Now if the Ceasefire comes now much of the fertile land along the Dnieper and mining areas in the Carpathian Mountains will have have a large % of their locals dead.
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Aditya_V wrote: Or of USA wants the Ukrainian farmlands without resistance, in fact the Ukrainian mobilization has been lopsided, those from Kyiv and near the Belarus Border escape while the Hungarian minority, Lviv, Odessa, Donbas are all being dragged from the street. Some Ukrainian Soldiers who became POW's, then exchanged by the Russians went again to the front and died.

Now if the Ceasefire comes now much of the fertile land along the Dnieper and mining areas in the Carpathian Mountains will have have a large % of their locals dead.
West gets farmland
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JE Menon wrote:Yes, an Anglosphere driven push to bring BJP/RSS/Modi down a notch is very clear. Going by all the happenings, it is also clear to me that the Anglosphere is moving in the direction of chaos being the preferred option on the Eurasian transcontinental landmass - i.e. to reduce the larger states eventually so they can pick up and pick on the pieces that result from the chaos. The moves against India can be seen very clearly within this framework.
Our American allies would like to conquer and break us without firing a shot.
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Y. Kanan wrote:Our American allies would like to conquer and break us without firing a shot.
Quite true, every sort of low life BIF has become active crawling out of the woodwork nowadays, the places where it wont work are the authoritarian states where want to go with a sledgehammer.. "warning China that we will do Taiwan if they help Russia " being one example. That plane order was to keep them quiet at least for a while i presume.
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Ukrainian forces are fiercely resisting a Russian attempt to seize the small city of Bakhmut and are throwing massive extra reserves into the bloody battle, Yevgeny Prigozhin, founder of Wagner mercenary force says

https://english.alarabiya.net/News/worl ... gner-chief
on one hand eu channels r abuzz with 'Bakhmut not significant' on the other hand Ukr has thrown everything it has to save it! What gives!
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Bakhmut is Nord Stream in very, very slow motion - atti vilambit.
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ukr terrorists undertake major terror attack deep inside Ru, several dead, many hostages taken https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/03/02 ... at-we-know
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IndraD wrote:ukr terrorists undertake major terror attack deep inside Ru, several dead, many hostages taken https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/03/02 ... at-we-know
Ukr desperately wants Russia to escalate, so that NATO in turn can escalate. It also forces Russia to put disproportionately large resources to secure its long borders against infiltration and drones.
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IndraD wrote:ukr terrorists undertake major terror attack deep inside Ru, several dead, many hostages taken https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/03/02 ... at-we-know
30-40 armed ppl entered Russ territory, yet number of dead is single digit?? Something massive is hidden! Let's hope it do not turn into another Beslan hostage tragedy!!!
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Deans wrote: Ukr desperately wants Russia to escalate, so that NATO in turn can escalate.
That is the core of it.

West has backed them so unconditionally that they are exploiting that to put those leaders in an untenable position with no option but to escalate. The two countries most likely to find themselves dragged into escalation are US and UK. France and Germany -- it is not a given that they will.
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https://bigserge.substack.com/p/russo-u ... hrodingers

Good read on the recent fighting. Serge is a Russian military historian, not jingoistic and has a good understanding of modern war.
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I have a e-book on the Ukraine war (gives a lot of background info). Mail me at rp_deans@yahoo.com for a copy. I am not sharing details here as
there are potential copyright issues.
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Avid wrote:
Deans wrote: Ukr desperately wants Russia to escalate, so that NATO in turn can escalate.
That is the core of it.

West has backed them so unconditionally that they are exploiting that to put those leaders in an untenable position with no option but to escalate. The two countries most likely to find themselves dragged into escalation are US and UK. France and Germany -- it is not a given that they will.
also a message bakhmut is not the only battle ground we can strike you deep inside with suicide squads, ukr has ticked another paki box of warfare
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gakakkad wrote:^ per panwalla no a50 was hit . A Belarusian ATC tower of hybrid civilian and military use was damaged. Nonetheless act of war against Belarus.
Apparently, a50 was indeed hit with some amount of damage.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/f ... in-belarus
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A quick question!

I was going through the battle at Bakhmut and Ukrainian started blowing up bridges. At one portion, now only one bridge exists on H32.

How hard would it be to destroy a bridge just with Arty shelling?

If Russians were to destroy that bridge, the morale of the soldiers would go down and there would be fewer soldiers to defend the next choke point right?

Or am I missing something?
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Very interesting, nerdy, article on Western ISR inside Ukraine.

US/NATO ISR Addendum: Deep Dive Into The Delta Leaks
A detailed overview of how NATO's integrated C4ISR really works in Ukraine.
In two previous articles I’ve mentioned not only the overwhelming C4ISR that the West commands in Ukraine, but also specifically the series of leaks which corroborated this, and gave us the insight into how their systems actually operate, and to what granularity they are transmitting the essential data to on-the-ground Ukrainian forces.

So let’s take a small deep-dive into exactly what type of information they’re providing just so that you can get a general picture of:

1. Why Ukraine has been so ‘successful’ at times, for instance in certain abilities to ambush Russian forces, or effect ‘withdrawals’ like the ‘grand Kharkov counter-offensive’ of last September.

2. Why Russia is forced to fight in a very ‘smoke-like’ fashion, never committing too-large of a force anywhere.

3. How the remnants of the Ukrainian airforce are able to survive this long by evading Russian counter-strikes, and vice versa—how the Russian airforce must remain quite limited in its operations.
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To do this kind of surveillance, US would have burnt up a lot of fuel in thier low orbit satellites, I'd doubt they can quickly replace them in numbers. Sooner rather later starlink and many low orbit satellites will go out of action. Things will get a lot worse for Ukraine this summer if Starlink and number of US satellites available for surveillance become reduced. It can create a gap in US surveillance which China can exploit for Taiwan in Aug 23. For our part we should make sure Chinadoes not surprise us.
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Starlink are comms sats so not sure how they can be used for surveillance. However, SpaceX gives the US with a phenomenal launch capacity with reliable cadence so that is a big plus that Russia doesnt have.
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As per BBC Twitter Ukraine has ordered the withdrawal from Kupiansk, that means Ukraine is facing reverse in Luhansk-Kharkiv obast area also. If the Russians get Lyman , then Siversk cannot be supplied and after Bakhmut, Sloviansk Karmotorsk also becomes a risk.

If Vuledar falls then the Ukrainians will be in huge trouble.
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Tanaji wrote:Starlink are comms sats so not sure how they can be used for surveillance. However, SpaceX gives the US with a phenomenal launch capacity with reliable cadence so that is a big plus that Russia doesnt have.
But they are low orbit polar orbit satellites, so keep them always covering Ukraine, space X has to use up a lot of fuel , those satellite life will be coming down shortly. No wonder Elon Musk is complaining. I don't the west thought this through, an attrition war will end up badly for them
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There is no doubt NATO isr has helped ukraine do all the magic. Everyone needs to learn from this.

Something that india should do out of this is large scale manual workforce that can scan and interpret sat intel. Basically how many eyes can u put over the sat images at one go simultaneously will mean incredible boost in ur capabilities.

India shoul figure out a pvt sector led way to creat this capacity.

Secondly I wonder how much the russians have learnt from nato isr. ISR is a chicken and egg game. Nato might even be dialling in launch coordinates to their himars remotely, basically ukrainians just making sure that they drive himars vehicles to said place and keep it loaded. Has russia got any better in beating nato isr? I would love to learn.
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Aditya_V wrote:
Tanaji wrote:Starlink are comms sats so not sure how they can be used for surveillance. However, SpaceX gives the US with a phenomenal launch capacity with reliable cadence so that is a big plus that Russia doesnt have.
But they are low orbit polar orbit satellites, so keep them always covering Ukraine, space X has to use up a lot of fuel , those satellite life will be coming down shortly. No wonder Elon Musk is complaining. I don't the west thought this through, an attrition war will end up badly for them
Starlinks is a constellation of communication satellites, as Tanaji said. They are LEO satellites, as Aditya_V said.

In Ukraine they are being used as the backbone for communications, a good part being military.

There are 3500 Starlinks satellites in LEO today (Feb, 2023). Planned 12,000. Re-planned 42,000.

Covering any part of the globe is not an issue - Starlink regularly adds and replenishes their satellites.

What is an issue is the Russians disabling these satellites on a regular basis (perhaps using lasers or by some other means). Besides being on the wrong side of the Russians in this war, the real reason for friction between Elon Musk and Russia is on one of Musk's trip to Russia to negotiate a deal, a Russian space scientist spat on Musk's shoe and other scientists ridiculed Musk for his ideas - Russians asked Musk if he thought Musk could use a trampoline to go to space. Musk/Russian friction, and it is rather bad. Pre-dates Ukraine.

Today, single handed, Musk is a threat to the civilian part of space to the Russians (and, actually, everyone else).
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propaganda mouthpiece has spoken now get ready for Bakhmut was never important
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64846666
But it may be that Ukrainian commanders are beginning to calculate that the cost of defending Bakhmut - in terms of blood and treasure - is now too great, despite the grievous losses being inflicted on Russian troops.

In another news Kharkiv is being evacuated by Ukr as Ru troops are building https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64833750
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