Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

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IndraD wrote:US running low on arms to give to Ukraine – CNN https://edition.cnn.com/videos/us/2022/ ... dt-vpx.cnn
The story goes that in the past few weeks during US/SK military drills (actually in response to the NK, but NK "demanded" US/SK stop the drills : ) ) due to a shortage of ammunition they had to restrict the use of actual ammunition.
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ks_sachin wrote:Is there any parallel in history where the destruction of civilian infra and resultant hardship has caused a country to capitulate?
I think the Russian intent is to push millions of additional refugees into the EU. Why would a Ukrainian woman or elderly person (who will not be productive to the EU economy), not go to the EU - where standards of living for refugees, are better than that of a middle class Ukrainian. More refugees can just be the tipping point that pushes EU economies further into recession and cause them to consider a diplomatic solution.

A secondary objective may be to get the Ukrainian people (from whom casualty figures have been hidden) to question the wisdom of a prolonged war with Russia.
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^^^^^

This is if there was one, a full spectral war. Not just combat in an area we call Ukraine.

SA and Turkey - two "pro-West" nations - have pretty much changed course. Energy has become a pivotal commodity. The entire globe is feeling the reverberations. Ukraine is 100% dependent on external help. Even the G-20 communique was influenced by this war.
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^^^

Sachin saar already had a frame of answer he wanted to hear (''All the responses to my original question are quite interesting and rather anticipated before posing the question'') so it was a closed ended question (to begin with), and then he considers Zelensky an important charachter in the war (As a tactical or strategic tool does it strengthen or weaken Zelensky’s hand) when no less than Deans saar has posted here Zelensky is irrelevant in the war, if we replaced Z with US then may be answers can become open ended.
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While Russia is left with less than 50 missiles they are firing 100 everyday, NYT explains how :rotfl:
The New York Times on Friday offered four possible explanations as to how Russia was able to launch a massive missile salvo against Ukraine this week, after the government in Kiev, the Pentagon and the British intelligence have spent months insisting Moscow’s stockpiles were running low.

Ukraine claimed last month that Russia had used up 70% of its prewar missile reserves, the Times noted, while the British Defense Ministry said the October 10 strike against Ukrainian infrastructure was “likely to constrain their ability to strike the volume of targets they desire in future.”

Tuesday’s strike, which the Times described as the “biggest aerial attack” of the conflict so far, featuring 96 missiles, “raises questions about how much Russia’s arsenal may be depleted and whether Moscow will endure by finding alternative sources of weapons.”

One explanation comes from the Pentagon, which had claimed that Russia was running out of missiles as early as May. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said on Wednesday that Russia was “reaching out” to Iran and North Korea to replenish its ammunition stocks, though the Pentagon itself has publicly said otherwise. Moscow, Tehran and Pyongyang have all denied this, however. Meanwhile, the US has reportedly been trying to buy artillery ammunition for Kiev from South Korea.

Another possibility relies on Ukrainian claims from Thursday that Russia has used S-300 air defense missiles to strike ground targets. The unverified claims follow attempts by Kiev to blame Moscow for the S-300 that struck the Polish village of Przewodow on Tuesday and killed two civilians.

Janes, a British intelligence firm, said it believes Russia is actually building more missiles, possibly using stockpiled microchips and other technology embargoed by the US and its allies for years.

Russia “probably began producing high numbers of Iskanders, Kalibrs, and cruise missiles” before February, and they are “likely being produced as we speak,” with the Russian defense industry working round-the-clock, according to the company.
RT News https://www.rt.com/russia/566789-nytime ... e-ukraine/


Mark Cancian of the Center for Strategic and International Studies think-tank in Washington noted that few in the West know how many missiles Russia has in its stockpile, and that Moscow might be holding some weapons back in case of an overt war with NATO.
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The only thing about the Russian military that has impressed in this war so far, has been their production capacity for a range to weapons and ammunition. Less than 5 countries in the world, would be able to sustain this kind of a war effort currently. It is taking a very good portion of NATO production capacity to keep Ukraine supplied with the necessary ammunition and weapons. Besides, apart from China, no other country has the manufacturing capacity for short to medium range ballistic missiles in the range to 250-1,000 Kms, that can match with the Russians. The US has the production capacity for Tomahawk cruise missiles and also a very large capacity for a range of precision guided air to ground weapons.
Infact the US production capacity for such weapons would out strip that of Russia, but for all other conventional weapons and ammunition like arty shells and tank ammo etc., the way the Russians have been able to keep up the tempo, it is impressive. It is true that none of their production facilities are under attack and they can keep producing as long as they can source the raw materials, but simply having production capacities of this scale is an impressive aspect.
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If Ukraine wants to fight Russia for NATO, then let NATO countries supply Ukraine with everything from food to electricity.
So, attacks on civilian facilities in Ukraine are also attacking American and European economies. These countries are already reeling under high inflation and no growth.
Imho, there isn't much support among the common masses in Europe for this war. It's mostly the elite thing.
So sooner rather than later, we may see significant pressure on govts to curb support for Ukraine. Especially as economic downturn starts to bite.
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+10
Already wave of protests from Italy to Sweden, large waves, many people, they want leaders to look inwards. However due to depleted army they depend on Nato for protection should Russia become less malevolent hence the compulsion, also being woke (as pointed here elaborately) has weakend them further.
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IndraD wrote:+10
Already wave of protests from Italy to Sweden, large waves, many people, they want leaders to look inwards. However due to depleted army they depend on Nato for protection should Russia become less malevolent hence the compulsion, also being woke (as pointed here elaborately) has weakend them further.
dont these developed country Spend min 2% of GDP on defense to have weak armed forces? where do this min 2% go?
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Cold and dark: Kyiv readies for ‘worst winter of our lives’
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrai ... 497f7ebcae
When the power is out, as it so often is, the high-rise apartment overlooking Ukraine’s war-torn capital feels like a deathtrap. No lights, no water, no way to cook food. And the risk of not being able to escape from the 21st floor in time should a Russian missile strike. Even when electricity comes back, it’s never on for long.

“Russian strikes are plunging Ukraine into the Stone Age,” says Anastasia Pyrozhenko. In a recent 24-hour spell, her 26-story high-rise only had power for half an hour. She says the “military living conditions” have driven her and her husband from their apartment.

“Our building is the highest in the area and is a great target for Russian missiles, so we left our apartment for our parents’ place and are preparing for the worst winter of our lives,” said the 25-year-old.

The situation in Ukraine’s capital, Kyiv, and other major cities has deteriorated drastically following the largest missile attack on the country’s power grid on Tuesday. Ukrainian state-owned grid operator Ukrenergo reported that 40% of Ukrainians were experiencing difficulties, due to damage to at least 15 major energy hubs across the country.
Analysts say that Russian rocket attacks on the energy industry do not affect the successful advance of the Ukrainian army in the south and the situation on the battlefield in general.
“The Russians cannot win on the battlefield, and therefore they use cold and darkness as a weapon against the civilian population, trying to sow panic, depression and demoralize Ukrainians,” Volodymyr Fesenko, an analyst at the Penta Center think tank in Kyiv, told the AP.

Russian President Vladimir Putin “is suffering military defeats and is in dire need of a military pause, which is why he is forcing Zelenskyy into negotiations in such a wild way,” he said.

The analyst believes the Kremlin is also trying to put pressure on Western support for Ukraine, as the EU and the U.S. will be forced to expand aid packages to a freezing Kyiv amid growing domestic troubles.

“Putin is trying to make the price of supporting Ukraine too high — this applies both to money and to a possible new flow of refugees to Europe from a freezing country,” Fesenko said.

Pyrozhenko, having left her high-rise, moved in with her mother in a small apartment in Kyiv, now home to five people. The family has a wooden house in a village near Kyiv and has already prepared firewood in case of a forced evacuation.
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https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/ru ... f047fceafb

Some reports coming in that Ukraine managed to attack some oil terminals near Novorossiysk. Maybe the damage might be small or minimal. But if true, just shows the effectiveness of drones, but air borne and sea borne and the vulnerability of traditional defenses against such asymmetric capabilities.
We willl have to learn the lessons of this war well, as our adversaries can use a multitude of different types of drones. China is already a world leader in a variety of mainly air borne drones and Turkiye is also another major player. Pakistan can leverage both China and Turkiye for drones.
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Massive missile strikes underway in Ukraine https://www.rt.com/russia/567044-massiv ... s-ukraine/
Russia has apparently targeted Ukraine’s energy infrastructure in a large-scale missile attack on Wednesday, striking multiple targets in the capital Kiev and elsewhere across the country.

Emergency power outages occurred in all regions as a result of the attack, Ukraine’s national power grid operator Ukrenergo reported.

Kiev Mayor, Vitaly Klitschko said that there were explosions in various parts of the city and that there were power shortages and water supplies had been cut off in the capital.

According to Kiev’s military administration, a projectile hit a residential building, killing at least three people and wounding six others. However, it’s not yet clear if was a Russian missile or one fired by Ukrainian air defenses.

The whole of Odessa Region has been left without electricity amid the attack, local authorities said. In Ukraine’s second-largest city Kharkov, the subway system has been paralyzed due to a power outage, with people being evacuated to the surface, the mayor said.
looks like US is letting SRK of Ukr get beaten for his stubbornness
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IndraD wrote: looks like US is letting SRK of Ukr get beaten for his stubbornness
Intel Slava Z:The power units of all three Ukrainian nuclear power plants were automatically turned off due to a decrease in the frequency in the Ukrainian energy system, according to the operator of Ukrainian nuclear power plants, the Energoatom company. The company stressed that the radiation background at the nuclear power plant sites and nearby areas has not changed, all indicators are normal. "As soon as the operation of the energy system returns to normal, the supply of electricity from the nuclear power plant will be resumed," Energoatom added.

All nuclear power plants in Ukraine and most thermal power plants and hydroelectric power stations were temporarily de-energized on Wednesday, the Ministry of Energy reports.
Is the whole country in dark? How will the people survive the cold?
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kindly search in, US, UK & Eu, media is replete with articles & op eds of 'Ukr people are very tough, will survive this cold easily, don't need electricity to fight Russia, they need will which they have', slava Ukraine! Keep fighting.
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madhu wrote:
IndraD wrote: looks like US is letting SRK of Ukr get beaten for his stubbornness
Intel Slava Z:The power units of all three Ukrainian nuclear power plants were automatically turned off due to a decrease in the frequency in the Ukrainian energy system, according to the operator of Ukrainian nuclear power plants, the Energoatom company. The company stressed that the radiation background at the nuclear power plant sites and nearby areas has not changed, all indicators are normal. "As soon as the operation of the energy system returns to normal, the supply of electricity from the nuclear power plant will be resumed," Energoatom added.

All nuclear power plants in Ukraine and most thermal power plants and hydroelectric power stations were temporarily de-energized on Wednesday, the Ministry of Energy reports.
Is the whole country in dark? How will the people survive the cold?
They won't. That's the point. Kremlin is forcing an evacuation west across the Depnr River and then he's going to launch the offensive.
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Looking over the entire conflict from beg to present, it's obvious that the Russians made some huge tactical blunders. However, most likely Russians are going to wait a little longer to launch a massive counteroffensive and push it's borders to the deipner thereby taking East Ukraine. While trying to identify what exactly happened I was able to identify one major weakness in the Russian strategy - post conflict negotiations.

This war has huge lessons for us given that post conflict negotiations traditionally have been our weakness. The Russians came up with this battlefield tactical group (BTG) concept along the same lines as we did with the some important differences. BTGs have a smaller footprint than our IBGs given that they are working within the confines of a hybridized theatre. India had hybridized the theatre in 71 but is now leveraging a shift in centre of gravity both politically and militarily within Pakistan to relieve the pressure on the Eastern front. IBGs by necessity have to bigger and utilize concepts of maneuver warfare.

Going by the open literature, BTGs work similarly in that they are designed to grab chunks of territory quickly coupled with aerial and missile/rocket bombardment of military targets sparing the majority of critical infrastructure. With this strategy it gives the opposing side the ability to preserve what they have remaining to thereby grant territorial concessions. If you destroy everything outright the necessity for negotiations is lost.

The Russian leadership simply calculated that the punitive high tempo shock campaign along with large land grabs would force Kiev to buckle. The Ukrainians simply withdrew the bulk of their surviving forces and prolonged the negotiations enough to buy themselves time, and then terminated negotiations and initiated a counteroffensive. They could afford this because the Russians didn't have their heavy strike component ready to back up the BTGs when they kicked the door down. It was a double blunder by the Kremlin. The failed to ready their main strike component to back the gains by the BTGs and carry the offensive forward and the prolonged and failed negotiations.
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RoyG wrote:However, most likely Russians are going to wait a little longer to launch a massive counteroffensive and push it's borders to the deipner thereby taking East Ukraine.
With what? They're going to launch a massive counteroffensive with what, exactly?
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Y. Kanan wrote: With what? They're going to launch a massive counteroffensive with what, exactly?
What few people realize is that the size of the Russian ground forces before the war, was just 280,000 (in a total armed forces of 900,000).
The 900,000 excludes conscripts undergoing training.

This 280,000 is the total strength of all the BTG's/ brigades/divisions in the Russian army.
About 20,000 are deployed in Syria, in Armenia, Trans-Dniester & Tadjikstan (for peacekeeping) and sensitive areas like Kaliningrad and Moscow.
30,000 more are conscripts who cannot serve abroad.

This the total deployable strength of combat units for Ukraine, was about 230,000.
Exclude from this, 3yr contract soldiers who do not want to rejoin and all KIA/WIA to date. That would give approx. 150,000 men. These have to be rotated, since it is not possible to continue sustained combat for more than 6 months.
So effectively there were no more than 75,000 men in Russian combat formations in Ukraine at any time, to which must be added DPR/LPR militia
and Wagner mercenaries.

The 300,000 reservists called up, would probably put another 100,000 men in combat formations.

Against this, Ukraine mobilized 700,000. Even taking the higher estimate of 200,000 casualties, with half the remaining in support units, they have a combat strength of 250,000. Russian mobilization (no matter how the numbers are tweaked) will just about give parity with Ukraine.
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RoyG wrote: This war has huge lessons for us given that post conflict negotiations traditionally have been our weakness. The Russians came up with this battlefield tactical group (BTG) concept along the same lines as we did with the some important differences. BTGs have a smaller footprint than our IBGs given that they are working within the confines of a hybridized theatre. India had hybridized the theatre in 71 but is now leveraging a shift in centre of gravity both politically and militarily within Pakistan to relieve the pressure on the Eastern front. IBGs by necessity have to bigger and utilize concepts of maneuver warfare.
Roy Sir, A couple of points about Russian BTG's:
They were first used in the Donbass conflict of 2014-5, when they were designed to be used with the local militia acting as supporting light infantry - to do recon, hold territory, fight in built up areas etc. This was continued in Syria. In the first phase of the Ukraine war, BTG' acting on their own, not able to support each other because of the size of the battlefield were easy prey to ambushes. When rushing ahead of supporting arms, vehicles had to be abandoned due to mechanical defects (which are rampant due to poor maintenance).

BTG's had conscripts (about 25%). Conscripts could not serve abroad. Thus a BTG of 800 men, ended up with 600 inside Ukraine. Either a BMP with
8 infantry carried 6, or 4 vehicles became 3. In each case, they could not perform the task they were designed to do.
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Deans wrote:
BTG's had conscripts (about 25%). Conscripts could not serve abroad. Thus a BTG of 800 men, ended up with 600 inside Ukraine. Either a BMP with
8 infantry carried 6, or 4 vehicles became 3. In each case, they could not perform the task they were designed to do.
Now that the Donbas IS Russia - no longer "abroad" - does that logic still apply?
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Some points from Russian commentators.

All the newly mobilized men are being taught infantry skills, as there is a big shortage of infantry. Thus a tank driver will be deployed as one, but will have to fight as an infantryman without more training, if his tank is not available.

Shortage of good trainers, since all the experienced men are at the front. There's also a shortage of people who can instruct about drone operations, firing a AGTM, electronic warfare etc. Newly mobilized men are not prepared for this kind of conflict, with a lot of drones and accurate long range artillery.

The high pay being offered to newly mobilized men is actually making them risk averse. The tendency is to use the war as an opportunity to earn some good money. I have looked at many gallantry award citations. Almost none are for actions that an Indian soldier would typically be decorated for (i.e. attacking an enemy position against heavy odds). A typical citation would be `pulled comrades out of a burning tank', or 'directed arty fire even after being wounded'.

Officers or specialists finding it difficult to bond with men they have never met before.
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NRao wrote:
Deans wrote:
BTG's had conscripts (about 25%). Conscripts could not serve abroad. Thus a BTG of 800 men, ended up with 600 inside Ukraine. Either a BMP with
8 infantry carried 6, or 4 vehicles became 3. In each case, they could not perform the task they were designed to do.
Now that the Donbas IS Russia - no longer "abroad" - does that logic still apply?
It does not apply anymore. Also the DPR/LPR militia are now being integrated into the Russian army.
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Ukraine is going back to the stone age.
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Y. Kanan wrote:
RoyG wrote:However, most likely Russians are going to wait a little longer to launch a massive counteroffensive and push it's borders to the deipner thereby taking East Ukraine.
With what? They're going to launch a massive counteroffensive with what, exactly?
@Deans has given a very good account of where Russia stands as far as the infantry numbers are concerned and the short comings of the same.
The other aspect is the machinery. Russia has lost a lot of tanks and APCs and other armoured vehicles since the start of the war. Air to ground PGMs was never Russia's strong point and it seems that have exhausted a lot of their stockpile and no clarity whether they can produce in large quantities. Besides a whole lot of their older PGMs aren't really state of the art. They are relying mostly on missiles for all their precision strikes.

For a large scale offensive, apart from the man power, Russia would need a large number of artillery pieces and ammo for the same and also a lot of air to ground offensive power. The artillery part they can still manage, but armour and also having the trained manpower to use the same, would be difficult. Same with offensive air power. Though maybe for offensive air power, Russia might start relying more and more on drones and loitering ammunition, either self developed or sourced from countries like Iran etc.
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Deans wrote:
RoyG wrote: This war has huge lessons for us given that post conflict negotiations traditionally have been our weakness. The Russians came up with this battlefield tactical group (BTG) concept along the same lines as we did with the some important differences. BTGs have a smaller footprint than our IBGs given that they are working within the confines of a hybridized theatre. India had hybridized the theatre in 71 but is now leveraging a shift in centre of gravity both politically and militarily within Pakistan to relieve the pressure on the Eastern front. IBGs by necessity have to bigger and utilize concepts of maneuver warfare.
Roy Sir, A couple of points about Russian BTG's:
They were first used in the Donbass conflict of 2014-5, when they were designed to be used with the local militia acting as supporting light infantry - to do recon, hold territory, fight in built up areas etc. This was continued in Syria. In the first phase of the Ukraine war, BTG's acting on their own, not able to support each other, because of the length of the front, were easy prey to ambushes. When rushing ahead of supporting arms, vehicles had to be abandoned due to mechanical defects (which are rampant due to poor maintenance).

BTG's had conscripts (about 25%). Conscripts could not serve abroad. Thus a BTG of 800 men, ended up with 600 inside Ukraine. Either a BMP with
8 infantry carried 6, or 4 vehicles became 3. In each case, they could not perform the task they were designed to do.
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so if Ukraine can increase its army size by 250,000 which it can easily due to $$ flowing from US, we should expect Ukraine to reach Moscow by next March?
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Training new recruits to hold a rifle and sit in trenches in defensive postures is one thing, getting them to cross into Russia and go on the attack will require a lot more capability, equipment, armour, leadership and superb logistics. So no chance for Ukrainien army, or even NATO forces with majority US troops to grab any Russian territory to the north. Even getting back the lost territories will be a major challenge against battle hardened Russian forces.
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IndraD wrote:so if Ukraine can increase its army size by 250,000 which it can easily due to $$ flowing from US, we should expect Ukraine to reach Moscow by next March?
The world would be cultivating nuclear mushrooms long before that.
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IndraD wrote:so if Ukraine can increase its army size by 250,000 which it can easily due to $$ flowing from US, we should expect Ukraine to reach Moscow by next March?
The Ukrainian population in 2014 was 45.2 million. Russia was 144 million.

In Jan 22, Ukraine's population was 40.9 million. (excluding Crimea, but including the whole of Donbass).
Russia was 146 mil including Crimea.

During the war, approx 6 million citizens of the Donbass, Kherson & Zaparozhye became Russian citizens.
Another 6 million are refugees in the EU.

Thus Ukraine now has a population of 29 million (41- 6- 6),while Russia has 152 (146 + 6)million. The ratio of population has moved
from 3 : 1 to 5 : 1 in Russia's favor.

However, most of the Ukrainian refugees into Europe are women, while most Russians (about 0.4 million) leaving the country are young men,
so the ratio of conscriptible manpower would more realistically be 4 :1
If Ukraine has mobilized 750000 people, then Russia can mobilize 3 million, of which only about 600,000 are actually mobilized (200k original invasi0n force + 100k DPR/LPR militia+ 300k new mobilization).

Russia can equip these mobilized forces with its own stocks of armaments. Ukraine has to rely entirely on NATO.
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https://aurelien2022.substack.com/p/its ... as-we-know
An interesting read. The key point the author makes is that ultimately Russia would like nothing better than for the rest of the world to see the US, and Western Europe (NATO, basically) as politically and militarily incapable of coming to anybody's rescue. A longer drawn out war which drains the West politically and economically is to Russia's advantage. This also makes me think that China would stay with Russia in this campaign as a militarily depleted West is what it wants when it makes its move against Taiwan.
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https://tvpworld.com/64717667/nasa-pict ... n-darkness nasa pictures show Ukraine in complete darkness
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Putin ‘will mobilise another 2,000,000 people including 300,000 women’ https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/pu ... 6bb970664f :eek: :eek:
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x posted from the geopolitics thread

and with winter fast approaching, the very real prospect of EU butts freezing in the cold hard days ahead, here is the blowback from europe.......

strategy seems to have fallen apart, and the bitter realization that any "help" from the US, always comes with a very high price to pay.

the very real panic about deindustrialization, job losses, rising food prices, and higher inflation that is slowly setting in, the pampered lives of the goras is going to see a drastic change.

A thought occurred, ..... does all this have any connection to the sudden ameriki "withdrawal" from afghanistan, were the amerikis pushed by the euro goras to scramble out that jehadi hell hole and is a revenge scenario of biblical proportions playing out in europe...

the sales that ameriki MIC lost out on in afghanistan is more than being made up in UKR...along with the massive increase in oil/gas sales by ameriki companies in the EU markets



aise dost ho, toh dushman ki zaroorat nahi.....

Europe accuses US of profiting from war

NOVEMBER 24, 2022

EU officials attack Joe Biden over sky-high gas prices, weapons sales and trade as Vladimir Putin’s war threatens to destroy Western unity.


Allies or not?
Despite the energy disagreements, it wasn't until Washington announced a $369 billion industrial subsidy scheme to support green industries under the Inflation Reduction Act that Brussels went into full-blown panic mode.

“The Inflation Reduction Act has changed everything," one EU diplomat said. "Is Washington still our ally or not?”

For Biden, the legislation is a historic climate achievement. "While we understand that some trading partners have concerns with how the [electric vehicle] tax credit provisions in the IRA will operate in practice with respect to their producers, we are committed to continuing to work with them to better understand and do what we can to address their concerns," the NSC spokesperson said. "This is not a zero-sum game. The IRA will grow the pie for clean energy investments, not split it."

But the EU sees that differently. An official from France’s foreign affairs ministry said the diagnosis is clear: These are "discriminatory subsidies that will distort competition.” French Economy Minister Bruno Le Maire this week even accused the U.S. of going down China's path of economic isolationism, urging Brussels to replicate such an approach. “Europe must not be the last of the Mohicans,” he said.

The EU is preparing its responses, such as a big subsidy push to prevent European industry from being wiped out by American rivals. "We are experiencing a creeping crisis of trust on trade issues in this relationship," said German MEP Reinhard Bütikofer.

"At some point, you have to assert yourself," said French MEP Marie-Pierre Vedrenne. "We are in a world of power struggles. When you arm-wrestle, if you are not muscular, if you are not prepared both physically and mentally, you lose.”

Behind the scenes, there is also growing irritation about the money flowing into the American defense sector.

The U.S. has by far been the largest provider of military aid to Ukraine, supplying more than $15.2 billion in weapons and equipment since the start of the war. The EU has so far provided about €8 billion of military equipment to Ukraine, according to Borrell.

According to one senior official from a European capital, restocking of some sophisticated weapons may take “years” because of problems in the supply chain and the production of chips. This has fueled fears that the U.S. defense industry can profit even more from the war.

The Pentagon is already developing a roadmap to speed up arms sales, as the pressure from allies to respond to greater demands for weapons and equipment grows.

Another EU diplomat argued that “the money they are making on weapons” could help Americans understand that making “all this cash on gas” might be “a bit too much.”

The diplomat argued that a discount on gas prices could help us to "keep united our public opinions” and to negotiate with third countries on gas supplies. “It’s not good, in terms of optics, to give the impression that your best ally is actually making huge profits out of your troubles,” the diplomat said.
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IndraD wrote:Putin ‘will mobilise another 2,000,000 people including 300,000 women’ https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/pu ... 6bb970664f :eek: :eek:
Seems like fake news!
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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

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Been a while. Here is some combat footage of Ukr soldiers attacking defensive lines of wagner and LPR troops
Initially there are close range firefights
Then comes in mortar attacks on Ukr trenches
then comes pin point MLRS attacks on the trenches
This is followed by Ukr troops trying to escape through the forest.
Then comes napalm from fighter bombers.

According to local reports, russians did not lose a single troop and Ukr lost most of theirs

The fusion of constant drone footage combined with pin point arty strike is frightening.

I think it is also a Ukr tank that comes into the picture but is taken out. Not sure if Ukr tank or Ru tank

https://seed171.bitchute.com/juSKOMUaAA ... JnZfOX.mp4
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gakakkad wrote:
IndraD wrote:Putin ‘will mobilise another 2,000,000 people including 300,000 women’ https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/pu ... 6bb970664f :eek: :eek:
Seems like fake news!
not commenting on the veracity of the news but the russkis have always had women in large numbers on their front lines, fighting shoulder to shoulder alongside their male counter parts

It can be seen from the WWII days and they even had women fighter pilots who acquitted themselves very credibly.

I have been in russian dockyards where a majority of the workforce were women and they did all the heavy lifting by themselves, worked as hard, and were to be found in almost every department
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That's why Svetlanas are hard to resist ;)
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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

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Zelensky & his aides will be hunted all over the world for rest of their lives: Russian official
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-ne ... 05097.html
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