Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

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Looks like the US is making an offer that Russia cannot but refuse thus paving the way for US boots on the battleground.
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Aditya_V wrote:I dont think have so much spare capacity, what they are most probably supplying is stuff the Americans left back in Afganistan.

I am only saying what is visibly verified from open sources.

Every thing else is just speculation. Unless it can be shown that a particular piece of kit has been liberated from Afghanistan and being employed in Ukraine beyond a reasonable doubt.

It's just speculation.
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Cyrano wrote:Looks like the US is making an offer that Russia cannot but refuse thus paving the way for US boots on the battleground.
The recent Rand report is quite interesting to read. Regarding the American interests in Ukraine.

The US has two choices.

Escalate the conflict or walk away with a destroyed Ukraine.

The Russians have to make sure that escalation is not an option for the US. If the Russians can successfully manage to do that. The US will be compelled to leave Ukraine.

Because tanks today. It will be fighters tomorrow.
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I think t would be within the realms of probability to safely assume UKR pilots are being trained in secret on Western fighters and hell's at some base in Poland, Germany, UK or even the US in preparation for transfer of aircraft to UKR.

We already have a land based foreign legion. Next step. foreign legion pilots exercising their democratic right and free will to fly western UKR aircraft.
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Pratyush wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:I dont think have so much spare capacity, what they are most probably supplying is stuff the Americans left back in Afganistan.

I am only saying what is visibly verified from open sources.

Every thing else is just speculation. Unless it can be shown that a particular piece of kit has been liberated from Afghanistan and being employed in Ukraine beyond a reasonable doubt.

It's just speculation.
Pakis have a decent capacity to produce 155mm shells. The factory was setup by South Korea and is reasonably good. The only problem for the pakis is importing the raw material to sustain the production. Hence, I speculated that the US might be helping with the sourcing of the raw material and allowing the IMF talks to restart in lieu of the paki supplies.

The only other countries that have a reasonable capacity to produce 155mm arty shells, apart from Nato and the US are South Korea, India, South Africa and maybe Israel.
Just a couple of days ago there was a news item about the US urging SoKo to supply arty shells. Apparently SoKo has policy to not offer any military supplies to countries engaged in any kind of conflict. The US is pressurizing SoKo to abandon this policy.

South Africa just recently took part in joint naval drills with China and Russia and doesn't want to be seen as taking sides in the conflict. India will not be offering any weapons or ammo to Ukraine and Israel too has refused to supply any weapons to Ukraine so far.
That leaves only the pakis, who will do anything for money at this point in time (or for almost all times).
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Cant this 155mm factory and other arms manufacturing factories in Pakiland be shutdown, this is another sly projetc, no way South Korea would have been green lighted to set up this factory unless US oked it.

Soko Sold the K-9 to us and this factory to the Pukes.
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The South Koreans are selling purely on a mercantile basis. The only thing they care about is this nation should not be in US dog house.

When this plant was established. Pakistan was a MUNNA nation. As per US laws.
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The US & EU have invested very heavily not just in terms of money and weapons since over a decade but also in rhetoric and political capital since this conflict started. Many European and US firms are heavily invested in Ukraine especially to buy their agricultural output and resell for chunky profits, plus some Azov sea gas, mines etc. Those lands are all in the south east, east of Dneipr. The insistence on taking back Crimea is to prevent any threats from Russia to all this commercial exploitation and to Odessa port. The evil Russia rhetoric is still holding up among their populations so the tendency would be to gloss over battlefield losses and continue for a few more months.

But Russians have made a huge build up and are currently happy to grind AFU near Bakhmut. They are in no hurry, but the bodies keep piling up for Ukraine and the bills for their backers. Russia is in no mood to back out, is not setting any terms for negotiation because they have zero trust in the west's intent to keep any promises or treaties.

If they want to bring a few hundred western tanks no problem. They want to fly fighters against S400s and Russian Air Defenses be my guest. Russians have realised that their rugged systems are able to match and in many cases out perform western systems. They are also able to update their ballistic defense systems, missile flight profiles, weapon locators, anti drone systems etc very quickly and have rendered Byrakhtar drones or HIMARs lot less effective within a few months and have gained some edge I think.

Russia may actually prefer that the west exhausts all its military options as well and their defeat will be glaringly obvious for everyone to see, especially Ukrainians at home at diaspora so that all illusions of restarting a conflict are comprehensively crushed for the next decade or two.

The problem for the west is, they have realised Ukraine is running out of men who can fight very quickly. If this continues for another 3 months, they will also lose enough commanders and officers that the AFU will just collapse into chaos. Kraken units etc aren't of much use except to shoot deserters. If the west puts boots on the ground, why would it be safe to assume that their soldiers will do far better than AFU trained to NATO standards for years? They realise that a quick and resounding defeat of entrenched Russia is impossible now. Their chances of painting a victory going by their own rhetoric since months means retaking Donbass, Zhapo, Kherson regions AND Crimea AND crippling Russian Military AND toppling Putin - are zero. The west is now a prisoner of its own loud mouthed braggadocio posturing and rhetoric.
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But we have also seen that the west runs away with tail firmly tucked between their legs. To me the instructive example is Iraq and not Afghanistan.

Iraq was more important as a secure petroleum supplier.

But then ran away. Ukraine is not going to be any different.
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Though I see no exit ramp that the west can take which at least offers a fig leaf for the west's H&D, I hope you are right and this tragic loss of lives and destruction is stopped.
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tone and tenor of reporting has changed to gloomy and this is telegraph where boris worked as reporter so they r solid war mongers
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IndraD wrote:Image

allegedely a Latvian gun in Ukr destroyed by lancet, is repair not possible?
This is on Russian media. Similar to a `Elephant' 88mm SP anti tank gun destroyed in the battle of Kursk in 1943 (the pics have been put side by side). There is also talk of Leopards that will be added to the collection of Tigers, Panthers and Elephants from WW-2 that are exhibited in all Russian cities.
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Click on that link. Very interesting read...

https://twitter.com/DivaJain2/status/16 ... BTLCrg1twg ---> Notwithstanding hyperbole and exaggeration by the US Mil-Ind complex, it is odd to see US struggling to arm UKR while the RUS is yet to run out of Kalibrs and ammo despite sanctions, price caps, etc, etc :)
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/who- ... -wv99ds7tx
Who attacked the Nord Stream pipelines?

Germany thinks Nord was likely blown by a western country

behind paywall so posting in full
Thursday February 02 2023, 8.35am GMT, The Times
The crime scene lies at the bottom of the Baltic Sea, in the chilly waters off the Danish island of Bornholm, close to Sweden’s southern coastline. It was here, in late September, that powerful explosions ruptured the Nord Stream 1 and 2 underwater gas pipelines that ran from Russia to Germany in an unprecedented attack on European energy infrastructure.
The three blasts, which tore through Nord Stream’s steel and concrete reinforced pipes, appeared to bear all the hallmarks of a series of audacious operations carried out in Europe by the Kremlin’s agents even before Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to President Zelensky, the Ukrainian leader, alleged the day after the incident that the explosions were an act of terrorism that had been orchestrated by Moscow. Western countries have been more cautious and have yet to formally accuse Russia, despite widespread suspicions that the Kremlin bombed the pipelines as an act of hybrid warfare.
The identity of who ordered and carried out the attack is, for now, one of the biggest questions of the 21st century. It is a puzzle that holds the key to pipelines that cost around $20 billion and over 15 years to construct and could have yoked Europe to Russian gas for decades to come.
“There are aspects of this mystery that resemble an Agatha Christie novel, in which nearly everyone involved appears to have a motive or would benefit from the outcome,” Sergey Vakulenko, an independent Russian energy analyst, wrote in an article published by the Carnegie think-tank.
Four months on, none of the three separate investigations by Denmark, Germany and Sweden have said publicly who they believe was responsible. Sweden’s state security service announced in November that it had discovered traces of explosives at the site of the blasts, but gave no further details.
The silence around the investigations, which have used underwater sensors, submarines and satellite images to try to establish the facts, has sparked rumours and sporadic accusations of a cover-up, as well as disquiet about the perceived lack of transparency.

“I understand, especially in times of war, that these delicate investigations may require secrecy,” Konstantin von Notz, the chairman of the German parliamentary committee that oversees the intelligence services, told the Tagesspiegel newspaper.
“[But] in a constitutional state, the public has a right to know what really happened. The federal government must break its silence very soon, create transparency, or at least present a plausible narrative.”
A failure to do so is likely to spark dangerous conspiracy theories and “wild speculation”, warned Roderich Kiesewetter, the deputy head of the Bundestag committee. It is also important, analysts said, to determine how the attack was carried out at a time when other critical infrastructure could be at risk during the war in Ukraine.
A western analyst, who asked not to be identified, admitted that he was surprised by the paucity of information that had so far been made available by investigators. “This was a major infrastructure attack. It’s strange that we’ve heard very little.”
The Kremlin has furiously denied any suggestions that it would have targeted its own pipelines, calling the allegations “stupid and absurd”. And some western officials appear to agree. The German investigation is thought to have made little progress so far, with officials having yet to uncover any compelling evidence. However, The Times understands that they remain open to theories that a western state carried out the bombing with the aim of blaming it on Russia.
In addition, 23 diplomatic and intelligence officials in nine different western countries told the Washington Post recently that they had yet to see evidence linking Russia to the attack. Some said they did not believe Russia was to blame.
Some have questioned why Moscow would have blown up the pipelines given that the Kremlin had invested billions into the construction of Nord Stream, whose major shareholder is Gazprom, the Russian energy giant. The project also provided Moscow with a steady stream of revenues, while increasing Europe’s energy reliance on Russia. Gazprom switched off Nord Stream 1 after the start of the war, in a move that was widely seen as an attempt to put pressure on Kyiv’s European allies. Nord Stream 2, which was completed in 2021, never came online. However, Russia could have blown up its own pipeline to sow instability in Europe.
Simone Tagliapietra, an energy policy expert at the Bruegel think tank in Brussels, said the bombing of the pipelines could have been a result of in-fighting within Russia, where it was seen as one of the country’s major achievements since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

“Somebody in Moscow might have been pushing for a restart of the flows, given the economic consequences of the interruption to Russia itself. And [the attacks] might have been a way to prevent that kind of conversation internally in Russia,” he said.
Podolyak, the Ukrainian presidential adviser, had a much simpler explanation. “Don’t look for any rational logic in Russia’s actions,” he told The Times this week. “Russia works differently. It relies on actions which are illogical but that it believes will intimidate. Its economy is on the backburner now.”
August Hanning, a former director of Germany’s foreign intelligence service, argued late last year, however, that several other countries besides Russia could conceivably have had an interest in disabling the pipelines. He named the United States, Ukraine, Poland and Britain. “They all have their reasons,” he said.
All four countries, as well as the Baltic states, were opposed to the Nord Stream 2 pipeline over fears that the Kremlin’s weaponisation of energy supplies would increase Russia’s political influence in Europe at a time when relations between Moscow and the West were at a post-Cold War low.
Russia has had no qualms about playing the blame game, however. In October, Moscow accused the British Royal Navy of carrying out the blasts. The British defence ministry said Moscow was “peddling false claims of an epic scale” to distract its citizens from its army’s failures on the battlefields of Ukraine.For some, comments made by President Biden just two weeks before the start of the Ukraine war make Washington the main suspect. “If Russia invades, that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine again, there will no longer be a Nord Stream 2,” Biden said. When pressed on what he meant, the US president replied: “I promise you: We will be able to do it.”

After the blasts, officials in Russia highlighted Biden’s remarks, which they suggested had signalled Washington’s intention to try to destroy the pipelines. Radoslaw Sikorski, the former Polish foreign minister, also referenced Biden’s comments in a Twitter post that read: ‘Thank you, USA.” He later deleted it.
Speaking on Russian state television today, Sergei Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, accused the US of “direct involvement” in the Nord Stream blasts. He said the attack was aimed at preserving Washington’s global dominance, but gave no further details.
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Sergei Lavrov, Russian foreign minister, says the US was involved in the Nord Stream explosions
The White House denied that Biden had threatened to blow up Nord Stream, pointing out that his comments were made during a discussion with journalists about potential sanctions that would freeze the pipeline project, if Russia invaded. A short clip of Biden’s remarks, without the context of sanctions, was promoted heavily on social media by Russian bots.
Western analysts also argued that it was unlikely that the Biden administration, which in 2021 waived sanctions against Nord Stream 2 in an attempt to improve ties with Berlin, would sign off on an attack on the pipelines.
“The United States has supported European energy security for decades,” said Benjamin Schmitt, a research associate at Harvard University and a former European energy security adviser at the US State Department. “The idea that this same US administration would suddenly reverse its energy security policy for critical infrastructure protection across Europe and carry out a drastic kinetic strike is unthinkable.”
Yet a recent report by The New York Times suggested that Russia has begun estimating the price of repairing the pipelines, raising once more the question of why Putin would choose to bomb them in the first place. A person briefed on the work said that any eventual repairs could cost about $500 million.
“If this was an attack that was meant to say that the energy link between Russia and Europe can be severed, as well as demonstrate Russia’s influence over Europe, then it appears not to have worked, at least for now. And so potential repairs could be a case of saying ‘well, it didn’t work, so now we need to move on’ and that it would be good [for Moscow] to reopen this channel,” said Joseph Majkut, an energy security analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. A milder than expected winter in Europe and moves to diversify energy supply helped the continent rely less on the Kremlin.
For now, there seems little likelihood of clarity in the near future. And some are warning that the difficulties of collecting sufficient evidence may ultimately prove insurmountable.
“I don’t think it is surprising that there is not a set of conclusive evidence yet,” said Schmidt, the former US state department energy adviser. “The subsea forensics process is going to always take a lot longer. This may be a scenario where we may never have a smoking gun.”
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Look everywhere for Nordstream whodunnit except in your own backyard.
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Russia will pressure Ukrainian forces in response to the West's missiles
The West's military contribution is causing Russia to push Ukrainian forces away from the border, foreign minister warns.


Russia will try to push the Ukrainian forces further away from Russian territory in response to the West's military support for Ukraine.

This is what Russia's foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov, told Russian state television on Thursday, according to the Reuters news agency.

Specifically, Russia will increase the buffer zone between Ukraine's forces and what Lavrov describes as Russian territory.

- We are now trying to push the artillery of the Ukrainian army back to a point where it does not pose a threat to our territories.

- The greater the reach of the weapons that are delivered to the regime in Kyiv, the more we will have to push them back from territories that are part of our country, says Lavrov.


According to Russia, the Russian territory is not only made up of the country that is internationally considered to be Russia.

Russia has annexed the Crimean peninsula as well as the four regions of Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhya in eastern Ukraine. These areas are therefore also considered Russian territory by Russia.

Sergey Lavrov accuses the West of actively working for Russia to suffer defeat in the war in Ukraine.

On Thursday, the President of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, arrived in Kyiv. This visit is addressed by Lavrov.

- Ursula von der Leyen says that the war must end with the defeat of Russia. The kind of defeat that means Russia will not be able to rebuild its economy for decades, many decades.

- Is this not racism or Nazism - is this not an attempt to solve the "Russian question", asks the foreign minister rhetorically with a barely concealed reference to the Nazis' solution to the "Jewish question".

On Wednesday, the Russian government warned that it will escalate the war in Ukraine if Ukraine receives long-range rockets.

Russia invaded Ukraine on February 24 last year. In September, referendums were held in Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhya. Here the citizens had to vote on whether they wanted to secede from Ukraine.

An overwhelming majority voted for it. The votes were internationally considered invalid.
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Insightful article
https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/a-f ... ficershtml

The above link is a reproduction of a paper from the Marine Corps Gazette August 2022. The author is anonymous (Marinus) and widely considered to be someone high enough and retired.

It appears that the paper access is suppressed because no search on google or on MCG's site brings it up. I was able to access the entire issue (at least for now). If anyone is interested in reading the original:
https://mca-marines.org/wp-content/uplo ... 2022-1.pdf
PDF file: Pages 92-95
Page number: 90-93

Opening of the article (for remainder, please follow the link)
The Russian Invasion of Ukraine

Maneuverist Paper No. 22:

Part II: The mental and moral realms

by Marinus


When considered as purely physical phenomena, the operations conducted by Russian ground forces in Ukraine in 2022 present a puzzling picture. In the north of Ukraine, Russian battalion tactical groups overran a great deal of territory but made no attempts to convert temporary occupation into permanent possession. Indeed, after spending five weeks in that region, they left as rapidly as they had arrived. In the south, the similarly rapid entry of Russian ground forces led to the establishment of Russian garrisons and the planting of Russian political, economic, and cultural institutions. In the third theater of the war, rapid movements of the type that characterized Russian operations on the northern and southern fronts rarely occurred. Instead, Russian formations in eastern Ukraine conducted artillery-intensive assaults to capture relatively small pieces of ground.
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Avid wrote: The above link is a reproduction of a paper from the Marine Corps Gazette August 2022. The author is anonymous (Marinus) and widely considered to be someone high enough and retired.
The identity of Marinus has now been publicly disclosed in the September 2022 issue of the Marine Corps Gazette.

Marinus is a collaborative undertaking of the following individuals: John F. Schmitt, Bruce I. Gudmundsson, Lt. Gen. (ret) Paul K. Van Riper, Col. James K. Van Riper, and Col. Eric M. Walters.
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Feb 3, 203 :: Germany adds older Leopard 1s to the list of tank for Ukraine.
BERLIN — Germany has agreed to allow the export of its Leopard 1 battle tanks to Ukraine, a government spokesman said on Friday, creating an opportunity for increased tank transfers to Ukraine as battles intensify in the country’s east.

The Leopard 1 is an older model of a German-made tank that Berlin approved the export of last month, the Leopard 2. The older tanks, which were produced from the 1960s to the 1980s, would need refurbishing before they could be ready for use in combat. They may also face a shortage of available ammunition.

The Leopard 1 tanks will most likely come from the stocks of German weapons manufacturers. But the chancellor’s spokesman, Steffen Hebestreit, declined to provide details or comment on how many could be delivered. German news media reports have put the number at 29 to 88 tanks.

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NRao wrote:
Avid wrote: The above link is a reproduction of a paper from the Marine Corps Gazette August 2022. The author is anonymous (Marinus) and widely considered to be someone high enough and retired.
The identity of Marinus has now been publicly disclosed in the September 2022 issue of the Marine Corps Gazette.

Marinus is a collaborative undertaking of the following individuals: John F. Schmitt, Bruce I. Gudmundsson, Lt. Gen. (ret) Paul K. Van Riper, Col. James K. Van Riper, and Col. Eric M. Walters.
Thank you!
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Leopard is also called Panther, so Leopard 1 and 2 are the Panther tanks and Abrams is the Tiger tank. This will help the Ukrainian morale.
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NRao wrote:
The identity of Marinus has now been publicly disclosed in the September 2022 issue of the Marine Corps Gazette.

Marinus is a collaborative undertaking of the following individuals: John F. Schmitt, Bruce I. Gudmundsson, Lt. Gen. (ret) Paul K. Van Riper, Col. James K. Van Riper, and Col. Eric M. Walters.
Lt Gen Riper was a maverick in the Marine Corps. There was a war game intended to be a rehearsal before the 2003 Iraq invasion, in which he played the Iraqi side and kicked US ass (instead of sticking to his role and dying).
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^^^^^

Not too sure, but, I think Col. James K. Van Riper is Paul's twin brother (could be active)

@ Aditya_V

There is a brand new MBT, KF-51, it is called the Panther. I know of one model running around. It is a prototype and RM is asking for funds to develop it.


BTW, Russians have a lot of mimes on the Tiger, Leopard, etc based on WW2.
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IMHO the war will go on for a long time. The West has invested way too much money and political and media capital to pull back now. The escalation will continue further with western fighter aircrafts also almost certainly joining the fray, sometime in the future. Reportedly, Lockheed has already started ramping up the production of F-16s. Once there are enough UAF pilots trained to operate the aircrafts and the weapons package and spares for maintenance are in place, the jets may be introduced. The large scale spring offensive that Ukraine keeps warning against, is more likely to come from Ukraine and not from Russia. The only question is about, how much manpower Ukraine would have expended by then.

For Russia, the objective would be to continue the present course of action and try to capture, Bakhmut, Kromatorsk, Sloviansk and Izyum. Try secure all of Donbas and as much of Kherson and Zaporizhya as possible and make very strong defensive lines, running across the entire captured frontier.

If the escalation continuous, I fear that at some point in time, Russia will not be able to compete against the western MIC production might and would have to turn to China for assistance. The Chinese might also be happy to help, seeing just how much money and military hardware NATO is expending in Ukraine. It would be a cheap way for them to give some military supplies and spares to Russia, to tie up more and more of western military energy in Ukraine. When the Chinese then decide to make their move on Taiwan, the west would be in hardly any position to offer large scale assistance.
We might even someday see China giving flanker clone airframes to Russia, to maintain the military balance.

If the conflict continuous for another year, this could turn into a very dangerous global proxy war.
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The Americans are getting ready to cut and run.

They are building consensus within the American system.
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Dozens of Russian soldiers return from Ukrainian captivity – Moscow
https://www.rt.com/russia/570950-russia ... oner-swap/

Dozens of Russian soldiers return from Ukrainian captivity – Moscow
The release of 63 POWs was possible partly thanks to mediation efforts from the UAE, the Defense Ministry said
More than 60 Russian servicemen have been freed from Ukrainian captivity, it was announced on Saturday. The Russian Defense Ministry said the swap deal included “persons of a sensitive category” who were released following mediation efforts by the United Arab Emirates.
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@Mody

Always remember Ukraine is being provided "stuff" on lend & lease program. Ukraine is expected to pay it all back to the US. Those F-16s, for example, Ukraine will pay for them, they are not free.

@Praryush,

Iran is supposedly the next destination. The script states that the Americans have to prove to the world that their war equipment works!!!

If this does transpire, they will kill many birds with that stone. Including the North-South corridor between Russia-Iran-India.
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Iran might be the next target. But the more the US thrashes arround without any lasting gains.

The lesser will the credibility of the US will be.

Iran might be ready to get the rid of the Mullah regime. But they are not going to be under the US yoke, for any length of time.

The US has not won a single war since the end of WW2. They are not about to win one now.

On a seperate note.

A potential move in Iran looks like the US Deep state is preparing ground to offer the PRC the J2 as an accommodation in return for avoiding a direct military conflict. If Russians are cut-off from the India energy and raw material market. As a result of Iran misadventure, then the only major market available for Russian energy and raw material supply is PRC.

They can offer an economically enfeebled India and a dependent Russia to PRC as a tribute.
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Iran is a stop on the way to CPC.

CPC, as a target, is arguably the only goal that the deep state and the DoD agree on. This Ukraine, for the DoD, is a total distraction and has taken away from their target: CPC.

Besides the deep state never shares anything.

Let us leave it that for this thread.
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^ minor nitpick. we should refer to chicoms as CCP and not CPC. Chicoms prefer CPC and not CCP. They have for some reason made a big deal about that.

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NRao wrote:Iran is a stop on the way to CPC.

CPC, as a target, is arguably the only goal that the deep state and the DoD agree on. This Ukraine, for the DoD, is a total distraction and has taken away from their target: CPC.

Besides the deep state never shares anything.

Let us leave it that for this thread.
What if the Ukraine war is a manufactured distraction to restart the US MIC for a possible showdown with China in near future? US public funds the restart of MIC at war scale to fund the Ukraine war only to see US switch and use it on China.

Meanwhile US is doing all other things to ensure that critical manufacturing abilities are shifted back into US or other safer regions in case a war with China disrupts the global supply chain.

Ukraine war can end tomorrow with Zielinsky offering peace and accepting toned down Russian terms and show this all as his move to build a better Ukraine. Zielinsky will be hailed as a hero, given Nobel peace prize and a smaller Ukraine will be offered assistance to develop as a modern nation. So US has a good exit plan here that can be worked anytime without need for a consensus or excuses. Zielinsky will front face the fallout and rewards. US needs the war prolonged.
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One also needs to understand the relevance of NATO , a few years back this was turning into a obscure bureaucratic organisation on the back of a fading superpower withdrawing into itself. How the tide has changed and new narratives written...the world almost forgot what is happening
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Pratyush wrote:A potential move in Iran looks like the US Deep state is preparing ground to offer the PRC the J2 as an accommodation in return for avoiding a direct military conflict.
:?: What is J2?
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Roop wrote:
Pratyush wrote:A potential move in Iran looks like the US Deep state is preparing ground to offer the PRC the J2 as an accommodation in return for avoiding a direct military conflict.
:?: What is J2?
Sorry I wanted to say G2. It's a formulation Obama came up during his first presidency.
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Pratyush wrote:
Roop wrote: :?: What is J2?
Sorry I wanted to say G2. It's a formulation Obama came up during his first presidency.
Obama died after that. Literally. He peaked when he collected his Piss Prize. After that, per his own words, the deep state was too much. Now he lives in a $7 million house when as a Prez he was a pauper. Go figure. :D :lol:

We need to visit more primordial ideas. We need a primer on Mackinder and Mahan. Maps and all. In the "Fallout" thread.
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UK helping Ukraine find refugee hiding in UK so that they can be sent back as cannon fodder
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so they are drafting refugees now?
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apparently yes
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This news is around for about a week. They are looking for people in Poland etc also.
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