Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

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"Life" (Russian magazine)
"True Detective: How the Russian army "hacked" secret US howitzers in Ukraine"
May 25, 2022
https://life.ru/p/1496855
Translated by Yandex
(I haven't copied-and-pasted over the images and charts.)
The first and most important problem with the use of American howitzers is the shortage of ammunition. Most of Ukraine's weapons depots in the eastern and central parts of the country have been destroyed, and Kalibr missiles and Russian aircraft regularly conduct raids to destroy "Western military aid" even as weapons are being brought to the intermediate point for distribution. But this problem is partially solved by sending 20 thousand shells. However, their transfer and distribution among several divisions of 89 howitzers is unlikely to help the Ukrainian gunners.

The first M777 howitzers were destroyed by Russian troops a week ago. Positions of the AFU artillery were spotted near the village of Podgornoye, and, according to some reports, at least three American-made 155-mm M777 howitzers were destroyed by the fire raid. First, the positions were hit by Kub drones, and then, when trying to move foreign weapons, by heavy Hyacinth-B self-propelled guns. The Ukrainian military is still trying to understand why the Russian army reached the M777 position so quickly — all the secrecy conditions seem to have been met, the transfer was carried out in compliance with all the rules of disguise ...

The first officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to accept M777 howitzers into the army were transferred to US training centers in Germany a few weeks before the first deliveries of artillery to Ukraine. The transfer of knowledge from American gunners to Ukrainian ones took eight days, and the accelerated training course included only theory and a few test firings. At the same time, the Naval Postgraduate School report shows that the basic training course is at least 5 weeks and 25 training days with practical shooting. However, this time is not enough for combat coordination and interaction development: According to Edwin Willey, a Marine Corps veteran and former deputy head of the weapons storage service at Camp Pendleton, it takes at least six months to train an artillery company.

"The skill of artillery shooting is trained for months and even years. Experienced Marines and any other operators of these weapons know that it is impossible to overcome artillery firing from a swoop, regular training is required. A week-long course will teach them how to properly unload such weapons; nothing useful can be learned from them in battle."
- Edwin Willey
- Veteran of the US Marine Corps, Deputy head of the Weapons Storage Service

As a result, the Ukrainian gunners, who were trained in Germany and received American weapons, not only failed to shoot at the specified coordinates, but also three TIMES worsened the basic indicators for the rate of fire: instead of one shot per minute, they did one in three to five minutes. At the same time, Willey noted that most of the sergeants and lieutenants, whom American instructors in Germany called "weeks", will not live to see the end of "Operation Z", but also have every chance of dying in the first battle due to the lack of intelligence, surveillance and camouflage equipment, since M777 howitzers are used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine "in an open field, without targeting, often even without reliable coordinates." ...

In the case of not the most outstanding mental abilities, American engineers have come up with DFCS-Digital Fire Control System, or digital fire control system. In simple terms, this is an electronic unit that works like a car navigator and tells the calculation what coordinates you need to enter to accurately hit the target. However, 80% of American howitzers arrived in Ukraine without this device, and when the gunners began to complain that "they could not understand how to shoot", an elegant solution was found. Instead of the original units produced by General Dynamics, Canadian GDMS were installed on the Ukrainian M777. Similar in characteristics, but without the American electronics inside.

The M777 howitzer brought to the position is detected in space using the onboard inertial navigation system, GPS and motion sensor, and coordinates for a combat mission can be "thrown" to the gun via a tactical communication channel. The Americans also equipped the Ukrainian army with communication systems in advance, about a year before the start of Operation Z.

But it was not possible to solve the problem with the accuracy of shooting. Suddenly, it turned out that the American gunners used howitzers with the DFCS system to shoot at the enemy armed only with small arms. The positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Donbas were actively "processed" by the Russian Army, equipped, among other things, not only with air defense, but also with electronic warfare systems that suppress any electronic systems at a distance of tens of kilometers. After switching on the electronic warfare system, the Canadian GDMS units stopped working, and the positions of the M777 howitzers were suddenly hit by artillery fire 25-30 minutes after deployment and loading.

When the Ukrainian gunners and their American handlers realized how the Russian army was tracking down the M777 positions, the satellite navigation units were quickly dismantled. The effectiveness of American self-propelled guns returned to its previous, almost zero level, but for some reason there were no fewer counter artillery strikes. The answer to this phenomenon probably lies in the counter-battery radar "Zoo" of the Russian Army. The complex has been connected to a database since the operation to force Georgia to make peace, which stores not the sounds of the forest or music for sleeping, but key features of artillery pieces from different countries of the world, including the United States.


According to the sound-measuring officer, Lieutenant Colonel of the ground Forces in the reserve Ivan Soshkin, "three sevens", like any artillery of NATO countries, has its own acoustic portrait and its work is clearly "audible."

Constant values, according to Soshkin, are the barrel length, caliber, type of gunpowder used, and much more, which makes up the" basic set " of target parameters. M777 has long been known to Russian counterbatteries — it is a 155-mm howitzer with a barrel length of 39 calibers. In addition, with a characteristic low-frequency sound after each shot, special cylinders also hiss to level the recoil. With this set of features, the M777 fires with a dull, low sound. As soon as these fluctuations are detected by the "Zoo", a drone immediately takes off to the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. If the UAV visually recognizes the parameters of the target (which, by the way, was done by Russian intelligence officers) and the commander of the artillery division gains several signs of the target's reliability, the enemy positions are hit.

The Russian military does not comment in any way on the strikes on the positions of the AFU gunners equipped with M777 howitzers, but the Ukrainian army loses these guns almost every time they leave their places of deployment.
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Avarachan wrote:"Life" (Russian magazine)
"True Detective: How the Russian army "hacked" secret US howitzers in Ukraine"
….
May 25, 2022
https://life.ru/p/1496855
Translated by Yandex

The first and most important problem with the use of American howitzers is the shortage of ammunition. Most of Ukraine's weapons depots in the eastern and central parts of the country have been destroyed…
Fascinating, Avaravhan ji. It reads like both science fiction and also very elementary 1+1=2 logic.

John ji what do you think? Propagandu? :)
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It just science fiction. It tells me

1) Russians don't have any weapons locating radar in the field.

2) they think that GPS navigation system needs to operate in an active mode for operations. Passive operations is not possible. That doesn't make any sense.

3) it's possible for artillery to be located using sound. The Germans during WW2 had a system that could hear the sound of the aircraft engines accross the English channel. They could even tell the numbers and types of aircraft engines from the sound along with time on target. So this is the most credible section to me.

4) combat is the best teacher. Artillery is not rocket science. As long as Ukrainians have basic literacy, and knowledge of 10th grade maths. They will be able to master the howitzers quite easily.
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I don't have the knowledge to comment, but from what I know of Russia's general experience:

- Russian media will never disclose (during a war) any accurate info on Tactics, ORBAT, or anything remotely useful to the enemy.
Simply repeating a Western report that, for e.g. 4th Guards Tank division is preparing..... can attract a charge of treason.

- Russia has considerable experience in the use of Artillery, in conjunction with Drones and EW systems. I have no idea if any of what is
described is true, but let's not assume they don't understand NATO's capability and can't counter.

- There are independent western reports that the M-777 has not performed as expected (lack of training seems to be a plausible reason).
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Deans wrote: - There are independent western reports that the M-777 has not performed as expected (lack of training seems to be a plausible reason).
They were supplied initially without the digital fire control system including the GPS receiver which enables firing GPS guided munitions, so without the digital fire control unit the M-777 cannot e.g. fire the M982 Excalibur with it's extended range and accuracy. Could be proliferation concerns and/or lack of training as to why the digital fire control units were not supplied ........ and hence it is not as effective.

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Russia has deployed artillery-locating radars

M777 can be used - very effectively IF trained properly - without any electronics. All The electronics does is remove any human errors. However, ABC reports the US supplied M777 were not equipped with them because of security.

I would think/expect the electronic units would have GPS to tell where the gun is - will find out on Monday.

Meanwhile, about a month ago, I had done some digging into these M777. 4 were supplied by Canada and they did have the electronic units, the US supplied did not. It is my understanding that some number of Excaliburs were also supplied, I at that time took it to mean the Canadians provided them.
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A fun fact, India used the Russian equivalent of the Excalibur during Kargil. One of the motivators of the Excalibur
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Idev, any 155 mm howitzer can fire gps Guided shell. The gun doesn't program the shell to target. There is a seperate system independent of of the gun which interfaces with the GPS unit of the shell which in turn guides the shell to the target.

The role of the gun is limited to placing the shell to the general coordinates of the target.
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NRao wrote:A fun fact, India used the Russian equivalent of the Excalibur during Kargil. One of the motivators of the Excalibur
India did not have Karsnople during Kargil. About 10000 units were acquired post Kargil.
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https://asc.army.mil/web/portfolio-item ... rojectile/

This for the Excalibur shell. Seems it requires location data of the gun and target. While the data is set in the shell, I think the data is set in the shell by the guns "electronic unit". I would imagine the gun itself provides the GPS location, which is perhaps what the Russian article was referring to.
The target, platform location and GPS-specific data are entered into the projectile’s mission computer through an Enhanced Portable Inductive Artillery Fuze Setter.
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Baikul wrote:
Avarachan wrote:"Life" (Russian magazine)
"True Detective: How the Russian army "hacked" secret US howitzers in Ukraine"
….
May 25, 2022
https://life.ru/p/1496855
Translated by Yandex

Fascinating, Avaravhan ji. It reads like both science fiction and also very elementary 1+1=2 logic.

John ji what do you think? Propagandu? :)
Russian have hit some depots but I wouldn’t say they destroyed it all. For M777 the bigger issue is Ukraine doesn’t have compatible ammo and adding ammo/artillery type adds addl costs in the run.

Also given the cost of Excalibur I do think they received much. Ukrainian seem to be capable enough of hitting targets pretty accurately with unguided shells using drones for spotting.

I haven’t seen any western reports saying M777 have under performed, unless there is maintenance issues or bad ammo it really comes to down skill level of artillerymen.
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An interesting 10 or more tweet thread on, for those that have some time on hand - visits past predictions by various analysts:

https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/ ... 8559527936
How long will this war go?

Andrey Illarionov used to be Putin's economic adviser, advocating for liberalisation of Russian economic policies in early 2000s. Later he turned into one of Putin's most outspoken critics. I very much like his sober, realistic and informed analysis
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It's amusing why so many people let their judgement be clouded by what they wish to happen instead of trying to figure out what is likely to happen based on facts and data.
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M777 has some limitations.

It’s not designed to sustain high rates of fire - the gun has a specific role, and the reduction in weight using titanium has resulted in a frame that can’t absorb the shock of sustained fire rates.

It’s a great tool for very effective highly mobile artillery support that can respond to needs in remote locations quickly but it’s not for artillery duels between established fire bases.

In Ukraine the M777 will provide a quick response but it needs to be supplemented with conventional artillery fairly fast.
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Reports of a Ukr Kherson offensive which has been confirmed Russian sources but however they claim to have inflicted casualties. I believe this is more of reshaping of frontline to get tactical positions.

https://twitter.com/thestudyofwar/statu ... qm5yrzU5vQ
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John wrote:Reports of a Ukr Kherson offensive which has been confirmed Russian sources but however they claim to have inflicted casualties. I believe this is more of reshaping of frontline to get tactical positions.

https://twitter.com/thestudyofwar/statu ... qm5yrzU5vQ
This is a very interesting situation, social media was abuzz last night. My question is that Kyiv and Kharkiv were defensive battles for UA. So tactical actions aside, is this the first time that UA is developing an assault against a fixed Russian position in this war?
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A 20 tweet thread on what happened at the Natonov airport at the start of the war - (I think from a pro-Russia guy):

https://twitter.com/mdfzeh/status/1530293273994092544
Ok, time for a thread on the battle for Antonov airport which has a lot of conflicting reports on what actually happened. Just as the snake island thread, I will lay out the information that I have at hand and you can make your own judgement. 1/20
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Indeed, the fall of Severodnestsk is being reported by multiple sources.
Worth a watch - Jackson Hinkle's take on this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4whcNjC ... ksonHinkle

The Russian juggernaut, although slow and having had initial reversals, is now gaining momentum.

Sergei Beseda and his band of amateurs or traitors (perhaps the latter) of the 5th Department of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB), responsible for operations in the so-called 'near abroad' (which includes Ukraine) had been compromised by the Ukranians and their faulty intelligence assessment had led to the initial 'soft' and swift advances of the Russian armour without flank protection and their resultant encirclement into piece-meal elements in urban areas and 'turkey shoot' by the Ukrainians.
Check out Scott Ritter's take on this:
https://www.rt.com/russia/554729-us-ukr ... n-donbass/

The Russians have indeed re-grouped and gone in for the conventional modes of attack in the Donbass and their steamroller tactics are working.

Our Ukrainian pundits on this forum were dead wrong on a whole heap of counts on this campaign, including the doom of the Russians.
The only battle the Ukr were winning was on twitter and in the Western media. And even that will soon fade away.

I will be very surprised if the Ukr attack in the Kherson sector will give any dividends, given the state of their 'army', lack of artillery, heavy weapons, ammo and lack of higher command and control (beyond battalion levels). The Ukrainans will be lucky if the Russians decide to halt after liberating just the east. Else, I expect their steamroller to continue in the south, through Odessa and link up with the Russian separatist territory (Transnistria) in East Moldova.
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The biggest combat tactic lesson one can draw from this SMO from its beginning and through all the events its gone through is this:

Do not get constrained by your own ego, training, doctrine, or errors. Do not get into denial mode when the enemy surprises you. Keep eyes and ears open to maintain close contact with REALITY. Be brutally honest in acknowledging what didn't work and be flexible to quickly adapt, rethink, rejig, improvise and go at it again.

The side that does this best, and constantly will gain the upper hand and dominate the outcome. All the rest about this weapon, or that plane/ship is secondary, even tertiary.

The more evenly matched the two fighting forces are, the more decisive the above becomes.
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Even the Russians are calling it as incorrect, reportedly the Chechnyans took a hotel in outskirts and made some Tiktok vids as proof they captured the city and retreated after casualties.

https://twitter.com/rwapodcast/status/1 ... esbBh7YT9Q

https://twitter.com/warmonitor3/status/ ... esbBh7YT9Q

NRao wrote:A 20 tweet thread on what happened at the Natonov airport at the start of the war - (I think from a pro-Russia guy):

https://twitter.com/mdfzeh/status/1530293273994092544
Ok, time for a thread on the battle for Antonov airport which has a lot of conflicting reports on what actually happened. Just as the snake island thread, I will lay out the information that I have at hand and you can make your own judgement. 1/20
Most of it sounds about right it leaves out some aspects such as Russian tank division who were assigned to secure Kyiv outskirts where instead send to help VDV and to travel long open road where they were picked off by rpgs.

Also I do question Russian assessment that they didn’t land il-76 because of weather but rather I would say it’s due to RusAF inability to provide air cover against pair of Mig-29s and Su-25 which were operating around the airport.
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John wrote:Reports of a Ukr Kherson offensive which has been confirmed Russian sources but however they claim to have inflicted casualties. I believe this is more of reshaping of frontline to get tactical positions.

https://twitter.com/thestudyofwar/statu ... qm5yrzU5vQ
This is a very interesting situation, social media was abuzz last night. My question is that Kyiv and Kharkiv were defensive battles for UA. So tactical actions aside, is this the first time that UA is developing an assault against a fixed Russian position in this war?
There have been few Ukrainian offensive in the Kherson region most have stalled and none of them are large ops but we don’t know how big current one is. I would say largest offensive Op by UkrArmy is the attack on north of Kyiv. IMO Original plan by Russians was to tie up Ukrainians in the Kyiv area by few dug in forces while rest of Russian forces retreated & regrouped in east but scale of Ukr op was enough to force a full retreat from the north.
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John wrote:
Baikul wrote:
This is a very interesting situation, social media was abuzz last night. My question is that Kyiv and Kharkiv were defensive battles for UA. So tactical actions aside, is this the first time that UA is developing an assault against a fixed Russian position in this war?
There have been few Ukrainian offensive in the Kherson region most have stalled and none of them are large ops but we don’t know how big current one is. I would say largest offensive Op by UkrArmy is the attack on north of Kyiv. IMO Original plan by Russians was to tie up Ukrainians in the Kyiv area by few dug in forces while rest of Russian forces retreated & regrouped in east but scale of Ukr op was enough to force a full retreat from the north.
The battle up north of Kyiv was more a case of RA already on the move IMO - call it a retreat or a tactical withdrawal as per your pov. Point is that RA wasn’t in fixed defensive lines at that time as far as I recall.

In Kherson RA has time to set up defenses, hence my question on a UA assault on fixed RA positions. I agree that there have been previous examples but as you said they were probably smaller on scale. We’ll see how this one goes.

In any case my question came from my interest in how UA will prosecute this war once it has to go on the attack. That would be an entirely different kettle of fish.
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Depends on who the troops are. To attack Russian positions near Kherson will need regular AFU units planning and executing the attack mission, and even more units to hold any territory gained. The regular army will not reveal its plans before hand or brag about it half way.

If its a publicity stunt or a video shoot then Azov and other militias will be leading it, with lots of phoren HD cameras in tow. Lets see what comes out in SM in a few days.
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slowly, the high tech russki weaponry is being unsheathed


cross posted from the eastern european/ukraine thread


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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russ ... -9ck7b765h
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chetak wrote:slowly, the high tech russki weaponry is being unsheathed


cross posted from the eastern european/ukraine thread
Chetak ji,

Russians, if at all one can rank such things, are #2. Heck the equations of physics/math are equally applicable across the globe. Nothing to prevent a camel jock deep inside Saudi air space from producing a highly capable system - recall the Iranian hijacking of a US drone.

However, each nation has its own set of problems, lead by "deep state" (originally from Turkey), "blob' (US), "babus", etc. I am sure Russians have their own.

In the US the Army has been aware of this problem. The DoD, in the past 4/5 years, has been issuing "RFI" (through a formal mechanism) to attract solutions from the commercial side - this in addition to their own Labs and DARPA conducting research. Within the past 4 months the Army issued two "RFI"s on this topic: first was a generic one (GPS anywhere) and the second was very specific (no use of any modern means - electronics - to locate and counter enemy artillery).

What we do not realize is that it pretty much it is invariably the intel or diplomats that want "war". The Generals rarely do, and even if they agree, they bide for time - (never ending) preparation. General Sam Manekshaw?

And, from a Russian PoV, this is a "special operation". We forget that.
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Baikul wrote:
John wrote:

There have been few Ukrainian offensive in the Kherson region most have stalled and none of them are large ops but we don’t know how big current one is. I would say largest offensive Op by UkrArmy is the attack on north of Kyiv. IMO Original plan by Russians was to tie up Ukrainians in the Kyiv area by few dug in forces while rest of Russian forces retreated & regrouped in east but scale of Ukr op was enough to force a full retreat from the north.
The battle up north of Kyiv was more a case of RA already on the move IMO - call it a retreat or a tactical withdrawal as per your pov. Point is that RA wasn’t in fixed defensive lines at that time as far as I recall.

In Kherson RA has time to set up defenses, hence my question on a UA assault on fixed RA positions. I agree that there have been previous examples but as you said they were probably smaller on scale. We’ll see how this one goes.

In any case my question came from my interest in how UA will prosecute this war once it has to go on the attack. That would be an entirely different kettle of fish.
Russians where digging in north of Kyiv and spent days on this rather than attack the frontlines. It wasn’t extensive defensive line and forces where spread out but their main purpose was to slow down Ukrainian advance. Yes after dug in positions, Ukr will have to use their Su-25s and artillery for breaching the defenses and both have been active in Kherson.

https://twitter.com/twmcltd/status/1507 ... yrEO1numzQ

As for Kherson offensive I believe they trying to maneuver around Russian defenses looks like they crossed a river to get around it.

https://twitter.com/osinttechnical/stat ... yrEO1numzQ
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NRao wrote:
chetak wrote:slowly, the high tech russki weaponry is being unsheathed


cross posted from the eastern european/ukraine thread
Chetak ji,

Russians, if at all one can rank such things, are #2. Heck the equations of physics/math are equally applicable across the globe. Nothing to prevent a camel jock deep inside Saudi air space from producing a highly capable system - recall the Iranian hijacking of a US drone.

However, each nation has its own set of problems, lead by "deep state" (originally from Turkey), "blob' (US), "babus", etc. I am sure Russians have their own.

In the US the Army has been aware of this problem. The DoD, in the past 4/5 years, has been issuing "RFI" (through a formal mechanism) to attract solutions from the commercial side - this in addition to their own Labs and DARPA conducting research. Within the past 4 months the Army issued two "RFI"s on this topic: first was a generic one (GPS anywhere) and the second was very specific (no use of any modern means - electronics - to locate and counter enemy artillery).

What we do not realize is that it pretty much always the intel or diplomats that want "war". The Generals rarely do, and even if they agree, they bid for time - preparation. General Sam Manekshaw?

And, from a Russian PoV, this is a "special operation". We forget that.

NRao ji,

This war is slowly being drawn out and there are some possibilities of NATO/EU getting involved, one way or the other because the amerikis are pushing them.

The ameriki global reputation and trust is now lost for ever after they cut and ran from afghanistan, the ameriki deep state is trying to make amends. The britshit puppets followed them without even a murmur of protest and are now tarred with the same brush.

The russkis have only brought out their second rung weaponry so far keeping in reserve their newer ones. This is both as a deterrent and a threat.

If push comes to shove, the russkis, as a culture, know how to take battle field casualties without flinching about losses. The mollycoddled europeans are not ready for this. The russkis will openly target cities and in the end, like the pakis always say, the nuclear option is always there.

Putin has good support among the russians for this war.

The germans and the french including the britshits and the amerikis well know that without the help from the massive soviet war machine, they would have found it very very difficult to emerge victorious in WWII.

Zhukov, the most famous of the soviet generals, effectively led the attack on Berlin in April/May 1945 and throughout the whole Russian campaign was known as the 'man who did not lose a battle'. His battlefield causalities in all of his campaigns were horrendous.

None of the other allies would have been able to sustain or even stomach his rate of attrition

The ukrainain capabilities have been vastly overhyped and media inflated.

the russki objectives seem to also include the land locking of ukraine and cutting off her access to the sea, blocking both exports and incoming aid.

The rail lines available to ukraine will not be able to support even 20% of the amount of grain that NATO/EU wants to "liberate" from ukraine, before the prices skyrocket and hyperinflation sets in.

fatigue has set in and the morale is down in a lot of european countries who want this needless war to end quickly. They don't care who wins or loses, they want to be left alone to get on with their empty lives.

the masses of jahadi "migrants" in these countries must already be crapping their thawbs, wondering what the future holds for them. will they be kicked out.......

BTW, if "nothing to prevent a camel jock deep inside Saudi air space from producing a highly capable system"

I undertake it eat this "camel jock deep inside saudi air space" made entire system, bit by bit, including that dope's camel.

putin and his generals weren't born yesterday. They have learned from their afghanistan debacle, which they have studied in great depth and definitely have reams of lessons learned.

we all forget
Hollywood showed us how United States and allies defeated the Nazi Army, the same way that Bollywood showed us the Mughals civilized India.
meanwhile, other fronts are opening up against the amerikis and the europeans. Putin is not sitting quietly, sipping his vodka

After Argentina, now Saudi Arabia also wants to join BRICS.


https://tass.com/economy/1456547?utm_so ... google.com
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^^^^^

Yeah, a lot to say. Perhaps, sometime, in the other Fallout thread. BUT, the last bit on BRICS is not good news for India. In fact I see it as bad ews for India. L8r
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https://twitter.com/AggregateOsint/stat ... 1103782912
#Poland has transferred 18 of its #Polish designed & manufactured self-propelled AHS “Krab” 155mm howitzers to #Ukraine. This modern weapon is built on a #SouthKorean vehicle chassis w a #British AS-90M “Braveheart” turret. The “Krab” has a range of 40km.
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A Ukrainian soldier uploaded all his photos of Azovstal before he was captured. Here they are
Dmytro Kozatsky, Azov Regiment fighter and photographer, documented the siege of the Azovstal metalworks. Before his capture he posted his pictures on social media, asking that they be shared as widely as possible. This is some of his work showing the realities of life during the battle. The Azov regiment retains some far-right affiliations

Warning: this gallery contains images some people may find upsetting
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That Scott Ritter article is a keeper.. Just read what he concludes based on pure military analysis..

The expectation that Ukraine would be able to perfect anything more than basic battalion-sized combined arms operations (i.e., the coordinated employment of maneuver forces with artillery and air support) was wishful thinking. Rus-Kiev battle: The reality, however, was that the Russian Phase One operations had inflicted near-fatal damage to the Ukrainian military, killing and wounding tens of thousands of soldiers while destroying the vast bulk of Ukraine’s heavy weaponry — the artillery, tanks, and armored fighting vehicles critical to waging modern combined arms warfare. While Russia was able to withdraw from the Kiev front and undergo a period of rest, rearmament, and reorientation (a normal action for military units that had been engaged in virtually non-stop combat operations for a month), the Ukrainian military remained under pressure from incessant Russian aerial attack and bombardment from precision-guided cruise missiles and Russian artillery. “Battle for Kiev,” where the Ukrainian military was left holding territory which no longer served any useful purpose for the Russians. Russia was able to redeploy its forces to better support its prime objective, the seizure of Donbass, leaving the Ukrainian forces in Kiev frozen in place. The reality, however, is that Kiev was a masterful Russian deception that shaped the overall strategic situation in Ukraine in favor of Russia.

The fact of the matter is that the military aid being provided to Ukraine by the West will not have any discernable impact on a battlefield where Russia is asserting its dominance more and more each day. Russians isolate the Ukrainian defenders, pound them with artillery, and then carefully close in and destroy what remains with infantry supported by tanks and armored fighting vehicles. The casualty ratio in this fighting is unforgiving for Ukraine, with hundreds of soldiers lost each day in terms of killed, wounded and surrendered, while Russian casualties are measured in scores. The battle for Donbass and eastern Ukraine is all but over.
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A few articles claiming that US to send MLRS units to Ukraine with the explicit understanding that the missiles will not land in Russia

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/busine ... e431205bc5
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bala wrote:That Scott Ritter article is a keeper.. Just read what he concludes based on pure military analysis..

The reality, however, is that Kiev was a masterful Russian deception that shaped the overall strategic situation in Ukraine in favour of Russia.
He says---she says...You trust him. I will trust some of our senior officers and their analysis.
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WAR HAS CHANGED FOR EVER | INDIAN ARMY MUST ALSO CHANGE | Ep. 62 | Major Gaurav Arya

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ks_sachin wrote:
bala wrote:That Scott Ritter article is a keeper.. Just read what he concludes based on pure military analysis..

The reality, however, is that Kiev was a masterful Russian deception that shaped the overall strategic situation in Ukraine in favour of Russia.
He says---she says...You trust him. I will trust some of our senior officers and their analysis.
@ Bala Please don’t quote Ritter he is known sexual predator and his statement on Ukraine are pure memes. I still laugh at his statement about heavy artillery and how he claimed in Mar that Russia will capture all of Ukraine in days.

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NRao wrote:A fun fact, India used the Russian equivalent of the Excalibur during Kargil. One of the motivators of the Excalibur
Yes bad experience with Krasnopol
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^^^ never waste a crisis. this is our chance to get off the out dated russian maal.
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ks_sachin wrote: He says---she says...You trust him. I will trust some of our senior officers and their analysis.
You are entitled to your opinion. However what Scott says and what is reality on the ground are matching, so, I prefer my conclusion to override yours. Thanks.
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John wrote: @ Bala Please don’t quote Ritter he is known sexual predator

Sorry, what has this got to do with his military analysis. Even BillyBoyKlangton was one but he did his job.
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bala wrote:
John wrote: @ Bala Please don’t quote Ritter he is known sexual predator

Sorry, what has this got to do with his military analysis. Even BillyBoyKlangton was one but he did his job.
He has kinda gone off in deep end and is mostly now going for alt right demographic since that is only group that will ignore his convictions, his analysis are mostly targeted to support that demo with outlandish statements like Ukraine has no artillery, Russia has already won (in Apr), Javelins are useless etc.
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